Paul Kagame: Tanzania's own spy

Paul Kagame: Tanzania's own spy

Na wanyarwanda kibao wamo usalama wa taifa,ndio hapo sasa

Acha kudanganya ulimwengu na pumba zako hizi! Unadhani TISS ni taasisi inaingiliwa tu kama choo! Shame on you! Mwishowe mtasema maafisa wote wa TISS waliozaliwa Kagera na Kigoma ni wanyarwanda!
 
Wewe ni wale,wale mbona unajishtukia,tulia kule agenda ya watutsi inajulikana
 
ahahahahaha labda tutasikia na ya Obama alikua mjaruo wa mara
 
cjakuelewa hapa[/QUOTE said:
rwanda ni kama mikoa miwili tu ya Tanzania kwa ukubwa. kumsifu kagame kwa kuifanya rwanda kuwa vile ilivyo kwa miaka 16 aliyokaa madarakani ni uzuzu. na kagame hana na wala hatakuwa na uwezo awe yeye na marafiki zake kuizuru Tanzania kwa namna yoyote ile. anachoweza kufanya ni kuwatafutia wananchi wake matatizo tu. kwa tunaoijua Rwanda hakuna ubishi. na hata kagame analitambua. ila anajikakamua tu kama Rais wa nchi.
 
Moshe Dayan,

..umesahau Bin Laden alivyowatenda USA??

..kuna wengine wanabisha, lakini ukweli utabaki kwamba tulikosea kutoku-support ile mission ya SADC ya 1999.

..tungesimama upande wa Zimbabwe, Angola, na Namibia, wakati ule, hali isingekuwa mbaya kiasi hiki Congo.

..wacha JK na Zuma warekebishe makosa ya Mkapa na Mandela/Mbeki.

cc Ogah, Jasusi, Nguruvi3

Joka Kuu.
Tanzania hatukua wazi kipindi hicho kwasababu baadhi ya wafanyabiashara wetu na wakubwa serikalini wakifanya biashara ya kuuza silaha pande zote mbili zilizokuwa zinapigana. Mwulize mtu yeyote aliye kuwa anafanya kazi Airport ya Mwanza atakueleza.

Angola iliingia ktk vita hiyo sikwasababu ya kumsaidia mwanachama mwenzake wa Sadc bali kutokana na matatizo yake ya Cabinda na wapiganaji wa Unita! Na kwa kiasi kikubwa kama siyo jeshi la Angola,utawala wa Kabila mkubwa ungeangushwa!

Wakufunzi wa JWTZ wamekua DRC toka kipindi hicho wakitoa mafunzo kwa kikosi cha ulinzi wa Rais na special forces. Tatizo kubwa la msingi ambalo ukikutana na askari wetu walioko Kinshasa watakwambia askari wengi wa Congo,hawana nidhamu,uzalendo na bidii ya kazi! Ni makosa haya ya wananchi wa Congo yamegeuza taifa hili kubwa kama mbwa koko kibogoyo!

Na si kwamba matatizo haya ya Wacongo yameanza leo,ni muda mrefu. Unaelewa Che alisemaje baada ya kukaa Congo na watu ambao aligundua siyo makini. Matatizo ya Wavongo yataisha pale watakapo jitambua. Si Tanzania wala UN,sijui nani ataweza rudisha ktk mstari taifa hili kubwa,tajiri,wananchi masikini ktk eneo la maziwa makuu!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Sichangii sana mambo ya Kagame siku hizi.Naona propaganda zimekuwa nyingi mno.nimekuwa suspicious na huu mvutano wa Great Lakes,ni kweli Kagame na Jk wamepishana lugha tuu?ni kweli tumepeleka jeshi Congo kulinda amani kwa maslahi ya Congo au tunatumika na wakubwa?nakumbuka shutuma za yule waziri mwanamama machachari wa Kenya aliyemshutumu Nkapa kuhusika na vita ya Congo...maswali ni meengi kuliko majibu aargh,Moshe Dayan subiri kwanza nitafakari!
 
Joka Kuu.
Tanzania hatukua wazi kipindi hicho kwasababu baadhi ya wafanyabiashara wetu na wakubwa serikalini wakifanya biashara ya kuuza silaha pande zote mbili zilizokuwa zinapigana. Mwulize mtu yeyote aliye kuwa anafanya kazi Airport ya Mwanza atakueleza.

Angola iliingia ktk vita hiyo sikwasababu ya kumsaidia mwanachama mwenzake wa Sadc bali kutokana na matatizo yake ya Cabinda na wapiganaji wa Unita! Na kwa kiasi kikubwa kama siyo jeshi la Angola,utawala wa Kabila mkubwa ungeangushwa!

Wakufunzi wa JWTZ wamekua DRC toka kipindi hicho wakitoa mafunzo kwa kikosi cha ulinzi wa Rais na special forces. Tatizo kubwa la msingi ambalo ukikutana na askari wetu walioko Kinshasa watakwambia askari wengi wa Congo,hawana nidhamu,uzalendo na bidii ya kazi! Ni makosa haya ya wananchi wa Congo yamegeuza taifa hili kubwa kama mbwa koko kibogoyo!

Na si kwamba matatizo haya ya Wacongo yameanza leo,ni muda mrefu. Unaelewa Che alisemaje baada ya kukaa Congo na watu ambao aligundua siyo makini. Matatizo ya Wavongo yataisha pale watakapo jitambua. Si Tanzania wala UN,sijui nani ataweza rudisha ktk mstari taifa hili kubwa,tajiri,wananchi masikini ktk eneo la maziwa makuu!
timbilimu,

.nakubaliana na mengi uliyoyaandika.

..kuhusu jeshi la Congo tatizo lao linatokana na kuchukua askari toka makundi mbalimbali ya waasi.

..kwa ujumla jeshi lao ni la kuunga-unga kuanzia kwa wapiganaji mpaka kufikia kwa maofisa/makamanda.

..jeshi la aina hiyo lazima litakuwa halina nidhamu. mfano mdogo hawa M23 ambao mwanzo walikuwa waasi, halafu wakaandikishwa kwenye jeshi la Congo, lakini sasa hivi wamerudi tena kuwa waasi.

..YES, matatizo ya wa-Congo yataisha pale watakapojitambua. Lakini pia ni jukumu letu sisi majirani wa Congo kuwapa nafasi, kuwasaidia, na kuwaongoza, ktk safari yao ya kujenga taifa[nation building].
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Advertise on NYTimes.com


The Global Elite's Favorite Strongman

mag-08kagame-t_CA0-articleLarge.jpg
Nadav Kander for The New York Times

By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN

Published: September 4, 2013 67 Comments

Paul Kagame, the president of Rwanda, agreed to meet me at 11 a.m. on a recent Saturday. Kagame's office is on top of a hill near the center of Kigali, Rwanda's capital, and I took a taxi there, driven by a man in a suit and tie. Whenever I'm in Kigali, I am always impressed by how spotless it is, how the city hums with efficiency, which is all the more remarkable considering that Rwanda remains one of the poorest nations in the world. Even on a Saturday morning, platoons of women in white gloves rhythmically swept the streets, softly singing to themselves. I passed the Union Trade Center mall in the middle of town, where traffic circulates smoothly around a giant fountain. There was no garbage in the streets and none of the black plastic bags that get tangled up in the fences and trees of so many other African cities - Kagame's government has banned them. There were no homeless youth sleeping on the sidewalks or huffing glue to kill their hunger. In Rwanda, vagrants and petty criminals have been scooped up by the police and sent to a youth "rehabilitation center" on an island in the middle of Lake Kivu that some Rwandan officials jokingly call their Hawaii - because it is so lush and beautiful - though people in Kigali whisper about it as if it were Alcatraz. There aren't even large slums in Kigali, because the government simply doesn't allow them.

Enlarge This Image
mag-08kagame-t_CA1-articleInline.jpg

David Southwood for The New York Times

Kigali, the Rwandan capital, has become one of the cleanest and safest places in Africa.

Enlarge This Image
mag-08kagame-t_CA2-articleInline.jpg

David Southwood for The New York Times

Kayumba Nyamwasa, once close to Paul Kagame, has fled to South Africa and is now one of Kagame's chief critics.


The night before, I strolled back to my hotel from a restaurant well past midnight - a stupid idea in just about any other African capital. But Rwanda is one of the safest places I've been, this side of Zurich, which is hard to reconcile with the fact that less than 20 years ago more civilians were murdered here in a three-month spree of madness than during just about any other three-month period in human history, including the Holocaust. During Rwanda's genocide, the majority Hutus turned on the minority Tutsis, slaughtering an estimated one million men, women and children, most dispatched by machetes or crude clubs. Rwandans say it is difficult for any outsider to appreciate how horrifying it was. Nowadays, it's hard to find even a jaywalker.
No country in Africa, if not the world, has so thoroughly turned itself around in so short a time, and Kagame has shrewdly directed the transformation. Measured against many of his colleagues, like the megalomaniac Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, who ran a beautiful, prosperous nation straight into the ground, or the Democratic Republic of Congo's amiable but feckless Joseph Kabila, who is said to play video games while his country falls apart, Kagame seems like a godsend. Spartan, stoic, analytical and austere, he routinely stays up to 2 or 3 a.m. to thumb through back issues of The Economist or study progress reports from red-dirt villages across his country, constantly searching for better, more efficient ways to stretch the billion dollars his government gets each year from donor nations that hold him up as a shining example of what aid money can do in Africa. He is a regular at Davos, the world economic forum, and friendly with powerful people, including Bill Gates and Bono. The Clinton Global Initiative honored him with a Global Citizen award, and Bill Clinton said that Kagame "freed the heart and the mind of his people."
This praise comes in part because Kagame has made indisputable progress fighting the single greatest ill in Africa: poverty. Rwanda is still very poor - the average Rwandan lives on less than $1.50 a day - but it is a lot less poor than it used to be. Kagame's government has reduced child mortality by 70 percent; expanded the economy by an average of 8 percent annually over the past five years; and set up a national health-insurance program - which Western experts had said was impossible in a destitute African country. Progressive in many ways, Kagame has pushed for more women in political office, and today Rwanda has a higher percentage of them in Parliament than any other country. His countless devotees, at home and abroad, say he has also delicately re-engineered Rwandan society to defuse ethnic rivalry, the issue that exploded there in 1994 and that stalks so many African countries, often dragging them into civil war.
But Kagame may be the most complicated leader in Africa. The question is not so much about his results but his methods. He has a reputation for being merciless and brutal, and as the accolades have stacked up, he has cracked down on his own people and covertly supported murderous rebel groups in neighboring Congo. At least, that is what a growing number of critics say, including high-ranking United Nations officials and Western diplomats, not to mention the countless Rwandan dissidents who have recently fled. They argue that Kagame's tidy, up-and-coming little country, sometimes described as the Singapore of Africa, is now one of the most straitjacketed in the world. Few people inside Rwanda feel comfortable speaking freely about the president, and many aspects of life are dictated by the government - Kagame's administration recently embarked on an "eradication campaign" of all grass-roofed huts, which the government meticulously counted (in 2009 there were 124,671). In some areas of the country, there are rules, enforced by village commissars, banning people from dressing in dirty clothes or sharing straws when drinking from a traditional pot of beer, even in their own homes, because the government considers it unhygienic. Many Rwandans told me that they feel as if their president is personally watching them. "It's like there's an invisible eye everywhere," said Alice Muhirwa, a member of an opposition political party. "Kagame's eye."
The United States has a long history, of course, of putting aside concerns over human rights and democratic principles and supporting strongmen who can protect its strategic interests, like keeping the oil flowing or Communist sympathizers or Muslim extremists in check. But what makes the Kagame situation different from the one in Egypt, say, where the army has mowed down crowds, or in Saudi Arabia, where misogynistic princes rule, is that there is no obvious strategic American interest in Rwanda. It is a tiny country, in the middle of Africa, with few natural resources and no Islamist terrorists. So why has the West - and the United States in particular - been so eager to embrace Kagame, despite his authoritarian tendencies? One diplomat who works in Rwanda told me that Kagame has become a rare symbol of progress on a continent that has an abundance of failed states and a record of paralyzing corruption. Kagame was burnishing the image of the entire billion-dollar aid industry. "You put your money in, and you get results out," said the diplomat, who insisted he could not talk candidly if he was identified. Yes, Kagame was "utterly ruthless," the diplomat said, but there was a mutual interest in supporting him, because Kagame was proving that aid to Africa was not a hopeless waste and that poor and broken countries could be fixed with the right leadership. "We needed a success story, and he was it."
My taxi let me off at the gate of the president's compound, guarded by two soldiers toting Israeli machine guns, another distinctive Kagame touch (I've never seen Israeli machine guns in the region before). Kagame's aides led me through a metal detector and into a cavernous reception room with a peach-colored carpet, large TV monitors for video conferencing, heavy curtains and a coffee table.
As I sat on an elegant wooden chair and waited for Kagame, I steeled myself for a forceful, intimidating presence. I'd seen images of him hundreds of times. An official portrait hangs in just about every government office and major business in Rwanda. This is common across Africa, and in other parts of the world, but in Rwanda the portraits are huge - as big as posters - and of exceptional quality. Kagame stares down from the flourescent-lighted walls of supermarkets and from within neatly swept ministerial offices, his head slightly tilted, his dark eyes burning with intensity. When I ask Rwandans about Kagame, they often describe him in hyperbolic terms - as either a savior or the Antichrist. Some people even kneel down in front of his portrait, close their eyes and pray to him. One elder in a western Rwandan village told me: "Eighty percent of the people support him, 20 percent don't. But those 20 percent don't speak, because they're afraid."
So I was surprised when Kagame slipped into the reception room so quietly that he materialized next to me before I realized it, welcoming me with a shy smile. Taking his seat in a stiff-backed chair, he looked more nervous than I was, his eyes darting around behind black, owlish glasses. He wore a blue blazer, a pinstriped shirt, slacks and polished black wingtips. I knew Kagame was tall, about 6-foot-2, but I was struck by how thin he was, almost sick-looking, with bony shoulders and delicate wrists.
Kagame, who is 55, grew up in a Ugandan refugee camp in a thatch-roofed hut (like the ones his government has banned), an especially deep humiliation for a Tutsi like him. Tutsi monarchs ruled Rwanda for centuries until the majority Hutus turned the tables in 1959, killing hundreds, possibly thousands, of Tutsis and causing many others, including Kagame's family, to flee for their lives. When Kagame was about 12 and marooned with his family in the Ugandan camp, he asked his father: "Why are we refugees? Why are we here? Why are we like this? What wrong did we do?"
That, Kagame said, was the birth of his political consciousness. "This is where the thing starts," he whispered, fixing his eyes on me. He told me this story at the beginning of the interview, which lasted about three hours. Kagame seemed in an open, expansive and congenial mood. He nodded eagerly at my questions, prefacing his answers with phrases like "if you don't mind" and "you are right." He speaks fluent English, with a thick Rwandan accent. A soldier by training, he joined a Ugandan rebel group shortly out of high school, rose up through the ranks and then did a short stint at the staff college at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., part of the Pentagon's efforts to make African armies more professional.
But Kagame left the program early to help command a Tutsi rebel force that invaded Rwanda in 1990. He would soon become the head of the Rwandan Patriotic Army, which was bent on overthrowing Rwanda's Hutu-led government. In April 1994, after a plane carrying Rwanda's Hutu president was shot down, Hutu extremists exhorted their followers, primarily over the radio, to wipe out the Tutsis. Killing squads swept across the hillsides - until Kagame's rebel army stormed the capital, putting an end to the genocide and seizing power. Kagame became defense minister, vice president and then president, and under the Rwandan constitution, which limits the president to two seven-year terms, he should be out of office in 2017. But the talk in Kigali at the moment is that he may encourage Parliament to adjust the constitution so he can run again. When I asked one of Kagame's aides about this, she said Kagame has addressed this before, saying that the security and well-being of the Rwandan people cannot be reduced to a simple question of third term or no third term. It appears that he has no plans to give up power.
Though Rwanda has made tremendous strides, the country is still a demographic time bomb. It's already one of the most densely populated in Africa - its 11 million people squeezed into a space smaller than Maryland - and despite a recent free vasectomy program, Rwanda still has an alarmingly high birthrate. Most Rwandans are peasants, their lives inexorably yoked to the land, and just about every inch of that land, from the papyrus swamps to the cloud-shrouded mountaintops, is spoken for. When I asked Kagame how he planned to address this, he said one of his top priorities was encouraging women to stop having so many children. "We educated the woman both in school and generally in society to say: ‘No,' " he told me, his forehead wrinkled in concentration. "Go for something else. You deserve better." Changing such deep-seated attitudes takes a long time, he said, "but it works."
Even Kagame's most strident critics acknowledge that much has improved under his stewardship. Rwandan life expectancy, for instance, has increased to 56 years, from 36 in 1994. Malaria used to be a huge killer, but Kagame's government has embarked on a wide-scale spraying campaign and has distributed millions of nets to protect people when they are sleeping - malarial mosquitoes tend to feed at night - and malaria-related deaths plummeted 85 percent between 2005 and 2011.
Kagame has built hundreds of new schools and laid miles of high-speed fiber-optic lines, wisely investing in infrastructure projects, including environmentally sound ones like a coming geothermal energy plant. Rwanda now has one of the fastest-growing economies on the continent, despite the fact that it doesn't have significant mineral deposits and is landlocked, deep in the green heart of Africa, hundreds of miles from the sea. Granted, Rwanda will never be a Singapore-like industrial hub - it simply costs too much to bring in raw materials, and as Kagame explained, many Rwandan workers lack marketable skills. But Kagame hopes to make more money from coffee, tea and gorillas - Rwanda is home to some of the last remaining mountain gorillas, and each year throngs of Western tourists pay thousands of dollars to see them.
"Rwanda has surpassed everybody's expectations and continues to amaze," says Jendayi Frazer, a former assistant secretary of state for African Affairs, who helped steer tens of millions of dollars in American aid to Rwanda.
That aid flows to Rwanda because Kagame is a celebrated manager. He's a hands-on chief executive who is less interested in ideology than in making things work. He loves new technology - he's an avid tweeter - and is very good at breaking sprawling, ambitious projects into manageable chunks. Rwanda jumped to 52nd last year, from 158th in 2005, on the World Bank's Ease of Doing Business annual rating, precisely because Kagame set up a special unit within his government, which broke down the World Bank's ratings system, category by category, and figured out exactly what was needed to improve on each criterion.
Corruption, Kagame told me, is "like a weevil." It eats its way into the flesh of a country and "just kills a nation." He said this after an aide gingerly placed a couple of bottles of mineral water in front of us. Someone had shut off the air-conditioner, and it was getting warm in the reception room. I cracked the plastic seal and guzzled about half my bottle. Kagame didn't even touch his.
One innovative way Kagame tightly monitors the various levels of his government is by demanding that officials sign imihigo, or goals. The imihigo function like corporate performance contracts, multipage documents delineating specific targets, from the number of street signs to be posted in a given year to the tons of pineapples harvested. Kagame's staff printed out a couple of imihigo for me, each one signed by Kagame himself. I was struck by the obsessive attention to detail, down to the number of adults in a specific rural district who were going to be taught to read (1,500) to the number of cows inseminated (3,000).
Because Rwanda is so small, it's much easier to implement ambitious plans here than in many other African countries that still have huge swaths of territory cut off from the capital. Several historians told me that Rwanda is unusual in Africa because it has always been tightly controlled. Before Europeans colonized Africa in the 19th century, there were few strong, centralized states. Two exceptions were Rwanda and Ethiopia, where unusually fertile, densely populated highlands gave rise to kingdoms and disciplined militaries that went on to dominate weaker peoples. Even today, Rwanda and Ethiopia are often compared with each other, two postconflict societies with impressive technocratic leadership but also a tradition of authoritarianism and ruthlessness. The same social phenomenon that allowed the Rwandan genocide to unfold with such terrifying swiftness in 1994 also explains how Kagame has turned around his nation so fast today - Rwandans tend to do what their leaders say, whether it's hacking up their neighbors or stringing up mosquito nets.
One of Kagame's bodyguards, a short man in a bulging vest, popped into the room a couple of times while we were talking, just to check on things. The sun was beating outside, but the heavy curtains blocked out the light and confused the sense of time. Kagame kept the charm offensive going strong, chatting about improvements in agriculture and how Rwandan farmers were using more fertilizer these days. But when I brought up the growing number of Rwandan dissidents who call him a tyrant, he tensed up.
Kayumba Nyamwasa is the dissident, many Rwandans told me, whom Kagame fears the most. The two men used to be very close when they were both living in Uganda 30 years ago, and Nyamwasa was an early member of the Tutsi rebels and later chief of staff of the Rwandan Army. When I went to visit him in South Africa this spring, he was quite open about his hatred for Kagame.
"Kagame has become stupidly arrogant," Nyamwasa told me, listing what he considered Kagame's biggest mistakes, including meddling in Congo and alienating anyone who disagreed with him. In 2010, after questioning some of Kagame's decisions and hearing whispers that he was about to be arrested, Nyamwasa swam across a river to escape from Rwanda and eventually made his way to Johannesburg, where he thought he would be safe. One afternoon a few months later, Nyamwasa said, he was pulling into his driveway when he saw a man sprint toward his car, brandishing a pistol. The gunman shot Nyamwasa in the stomach and then tried to finish him off, but the gun jammed. "Kagame was trying to kill me," Nyamwasa told me. "I have no doubt about it." Johannesburg is plagued by violent street crime, but Nyamwasa's assailant didn't try to steal anything. Six people are now on trial in Johannesburg in connection with the shooting; three of them are Rwandan.
Several dissidents said that Rwanda fields a lethal intelligence service with assassins who can operate anywhere. Rene Claudel Mugenzi, a Rwandan human rights activist living in England, told me that in March 2011, Kagame was on a BBC radio show when Mugenzi called in and asked a provocative question - whether an Arab Spring-like revolution could erupt in Rwanda. A few weeks later, two Scotland Yard bobbies rapped on Mugenzi's door to deliver a letter. "Reliable intelligence states that the Rwandan government poses an imminent threat to your life," it read. Mugenzi was stunned. "I never thought they would try to kill me in the U.K.," he said. (The Rwandan government has denied that it plotted to kill Mugenzi.)
It was hard to square these allegations of Kagame running an international hit squad with the thin, geeky man sitting attentively across from me. When a mosquito buzzed near us, Kagame pushed up his thick glasses and awkwardly swiped at it with his long, spindly fingers. He missed, a couple of times. In response to my questions about the political opposition, he made vague allusions to outspoken dissidents like Nyamwasa, saying they were "thieves" who thrived on the perception "that in Africa nothing good happens, every leader is a dictator, is an oppressor." At the word "oppressor," Kagame looked right at me and nervously giggled.
Nyamwasa warned me that I should not be fooled by Kagame's cerebral air, that, in fact, he is quite violent. "During war, a lot of things go wrong," Nyamwasa explained. "But Kagame always reacts with violence. He's spiteful. His own troops were scared of him and actually hated him."
David Himbara, another former Kagame confidant who also fled to Johannesburg in 2010, told me a story about Kagame's rage. In 2009, Himbara said, Kagame ordered two subordinates - a finance director and an army captain - into his presidential office, slammed the door and started shouting at them about where they had purchased office curtains. Kagame then picked up the phone, and two guards came in with sticks, Himbara said. Kagame ordered the men to lie face down, and he thrashed them. After five minutes, Kagame seemed to tire, and the bodyguards took over beating the men, as if they had done this before. Himbara said he was sick to his stomach witnessing the scene.
Just about every former colleague of Kagame's I spoke to shared some sort of beating story. Noble Marara, a former driver for Kagame, told me that Kagame whipped him twice, once for driving the wrong truck and another time after someone else backed into a pole. "He really needs help," said Marara, now in exile in England. "If I was to diagnose him, I'd say he has a personality disorder."
Himbara had a different explanation. He thinks that despite Kagame's self-propelled rise to power, he's still deeply insecure. "He barely finished high school," said Himbara, who holds a Ph.D. from Queen's University, in Kingston, Ontario, and served as one of Kagame's senior policy advisers. "It was always hard working with him, because we constantly had to figure out how to make him seem like the originator of ideas." He went on, "After I once wrote a speech for him to give, he said to me: ‘You think because you have a Ph.D. from Canada you are smarter than me? You are a peasant! You go and read the stupid speech!' And then I would have to say: ‘No, sir, you are the president, and in my hands it is a stupid peasant product. But in your hands it is something special.' That's how we had to flatter and appease him," Himbara said. "It was crazy."
When I asked Kagame about the beatings, he leaned toward me in his seat. We were about three feet apart, then two. I could see the individual gray hairs in his goatee. He didn't interrupt as I detailed my evidence, with names and dates. He didn't deny physically abusing his staff, as I thought he might, though he gave me a watered-down version of the 2009 event that Himbara described, saying that he hadn't swatted anyone with a stick but shoved one of the men so hard that he fell to the floor.
"It's my nature," Kagame said. "I can be very tough, I can make mistakes like that." But when I pressed him on other violent outbursts, he responded irritably, "Do we really need to go into every name, every incident?" He said that hitting people is not "sustainable," which struck me as a strange word to use, as if the only issue with beating your underlings was whether such behavior was effective over the long term.
He grew even testier when I asked him about an expensive trip to New York in 2011. At the time, I heard that he spent more than $15,000 a night for the presidential suite at the Mandarin Oriental. It seemed out of character for a head of state who prides himself on frugal living, occupying a relatively modest house in central Kigali, not a crystal-chandelier palace like many other African presidents. I began to ask if he thought the Rwandan people would approve of such extravagance when Kagame glared at me and snapped, "Just a moment!"
It was a little scary how quickly he flipped from friendly to imperious. He clearly wasn't used to confrontational questions, especially from a reporter. Kagame's critics say he has snuffed out much of Rwanda's independent media. One Rwandan journalist, Agnes Uwimana Nkusi, was recently given a prison term of four years for insulting the president and endangering national security after she edited a series of articles critical of Kagame. Another, Jean-Leonard Rugambage, was shot in the head on the day he published a story about Kagame's government being suspected of trying to kill Nyamwasa.
But Kagame quickly calmed himself. He leaned back in his chair and resumed his professorial tone, even injecting a little humor. "I don't know if I'm supposed to stay in a container," he said, referring back to the Mandarin Oriental and laughing his self-conscious laugh. "I've stayed in trenches and tents. So I don't need any lesson from anyone coming to tell me how to be modest. No."
We moved on. One topic I was most curious about was his efforts to neutralize ethnic tension by passing laws that criminalize acts of "sectarianism" and "genocide ideology," which is defined as "actions which aim at propounding wickedness or inciting hatred," including "laughing at one's misfortune." These laws have been roundly criticized for silencing any discussion of ethnicity, and Kagame's government is currently revising them. Kagame told me that Rwandans were free to identify with their ethnic groups, as long as they didn't preach hate.
But when I tried to talk to people in Kigali about the ethnicity question, I didn't get very far. Most - including a young taxi driver eager to opine on everything from the cost of living to reggae rap - refused to even tell me if they were Hutu or Tutsi, simply saying they were Rwandan. I didn't want to seem like an instigator, but at the same time, I had heard from Rwandan dissidents outside the country that many Hutus felt oppressed. So one day I drove to the Nyamasheke district, on Rwanda's far western side, hoping that the distance from the capital might allow people to speak more openly. As I covered the 100 or so miles over a series of hills, I saw men ferrying stacks of freshly sawed wood and women lugging jerrycans of sloshing water and barefoot boys dribbling soccer balls made out of rags. People were everywhere. The busy hills were carved into endless little plots, neat squares of brown and green, bursting with coffee beans, corn, sugarcane and bananas, all worked sunup to sundown by threadbare farmers.
I spent the night with a schoolteacher named Alfred, whom I had met along the road. Alfred lives in a small house with wet floors and a potholder that says "Jesus Loves Me" hanging from the wall. He doesn't have electricity or plumbing - he draws his water from a pipe about a quarter mile way. He teaches 10 hours straight; many Rwandan schools have become so overcrowded that the government has to run double sessions, rotating children out in the morning and bringing in new ones in the afternoon.
But over a dinner of boiled bananas and a can of sardines cracked open in my honor, Alfred said that his family's life had improved under Kagame. "My kids eat more than I did," he said. "Everything's up - security, education, health." I thought maybe Alfred was just praising Kagame because he was a Tutsi as well. But he just laughed when I asked about his ethnicity. "Today we don't say that," he said. "But in the past, I was a Hutu."
The next morning, I met another Hutu man, this one much more critical, who told me that if I used his name, "they will come for me." This man vented that Tutsis were favored by the government for everything from college scholarships to high-ranking jobs under the guise of an affirmative-action program designed to help "genocide survivors" who, by definition, are Tutsis. The whole system was rigged to keep Tutsis up and Hutus down, he said, and "during the elections, party agents would tear up your ballot if you didn't vote for Kagame." During the last election, in 2010, Kagame won 93 percent of the vote after his government effectively banned any major opposition parties from running.
Some Rwandans say that Kagame tries to play down ethnicity simply to cover for the fact that his minority ethnic group, the Tutsis, who account for about 15 percent of the population, control just about everything. If no one can talk about ethnicity, then it's hard to talk about Tutsi domination. When I asked Kagame about this, he first tried to convince me that Tutsis actually don't dominate politics or business. When I presented specifics: the health minister, defense minister, foreign minister and finance minister are all Tutsis, along with some of the richest men in the country, he acknowledged that Tutsis might enjoy a few advantages here and there, but this was "by default and not by design." Many Tutsis like him had lived outside Rwanda, where there were more advantages. When I was openly skeptical, he finally said, "This Hutu and Tutsi thing, if you get lost in it," he said, getting exasperated, "you get lost in the pettiness of the past of our history, and you end up in a mess."
What's frustrating to many of Kagame's critics is that the country's repression is hardly a secret. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have produced many reports detailing the ways Kagame's government has clamped down on Rwandan society. After the presidential election in 2010, Western officials grumbled about a "lack of political space" - meaning Rwanda had essentially become a one-party state - but the spigot of aid to Kagame wasn't turned off. Support from the United States has remained about the same - around $200 million a year in direct bilateral aid. Accused of many murderous acts over the years, including allowing his troops in the 1990s to hunt down Hutu civilians in Rwanda and even massacre Hutu families who had fled deep into Congo's jungles, Kagame has capitalized on his powerful connections and his record of achievement to deflect criticism. He also exploits Western guilt, pointedly reminding governments that they abandoned Rwanda on its judgment day; some of his biggest fans, like Bill Clinton, have become teary with regret. The message is clear: No one on the outside occupies the moral high ground when it comes to Rwanda, and nobody should tell Kagame what is right or wrong.
"Rwanda isn't an easy one," said one Western official who has worked closely with the Rwandan government on development projects. "Is Kagame repressive? Yes, definitely. Have we talked to him about this, about opening up? All the time." But the official added: "I don't know how fragile things are. I don't have access to the intelligence he has." He said that it was possible that Hutu militants inside Rwanda or in Congo were still trying to overthrow Kagame. "So we give him the benefit of the doubt."
Kagame is not the only African leader who is both impressive and repressive, though he may be the most impressive and among the most repressive. Yoweri Museveni in Uganda has stabilized his country and paved a lot of roads in his 27 years in office, while harassing journalists and opposition members. Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia, who ruled for 21 years and died last summer, built Ethiopia's booming economy but also squashed all dissent. Isaias Afewerki, Eritrea's president, was a charming and progressive leader at one point in his career, but he has since shunned Western aid, locked up dissidents in underground shipping containers and turned his country into the North Korea of Africa. Significantly, all these men were rebel leaders who fought their way up from the trenches to the presidential suite. Perhaps there is something in the rebel experience - the fierce discipline or uncompromising vision - that helps explain why former rebels are so good at organization and administration but horrible at democracy. "These guys never, ever open up," says John Prendergast, a founder of the Enough Project, a nonprofit anti-genocide group. "They just fear it."
Many of the diplomats and analysts I talked to weren't entirely bothered by Kagame's authoritarian streak. Some even told me - and maybe this has something to do with the low expectations for Africa - that this is exactly what the continent needs: more Kagames, more highly skilled strongmen who can turn around messy, conflict-prone societies and get medicine in the hospitals and police officers on the street and plastic bags out of the trees. Liberties aren't so important in these places, the argument goes, because who can enjoy freedom of speech or freedom of the press when everyone is killing one another? A premium is put on preserving stability and minimizing physical suffering, saving lives from malaria, from hunger, from preventable, poverty-driven diseases that are endemic across Africa.
But donor nations like the United States have drawn a line at Kagame's involvement in Congo, because of the scale of bloodshed there. Last year, United Nations investigators revealed that Kagame's troops crossed into Congo to fight side by side with a notorious rebel group, the M23, which has murdered civilians and gang-raped women, wreaking destruction on a swath of the eastern part of that country. Congo may be one of the world's biggest tragedies, a country blessed with just about every natural resource imaginable - diamonds, copper, gold, oil, water, fertile land - but plagued by a series of interlocking wars that have killed millions of people. A U.N. report from 2002 accused Kagame's army of plundering minerals from Congo and exporting them through Rwanda, at a staggering profit, supposedly with the help of one of the most infamous arms traders, Viktor Bout.
Kagame has always denied any wrongdoing in Congo and strenuously rejected the claim that his government ordered troops into that nation last year, but the United States promptly cut $200,000 in military aid to Rwanda, a token amount, for sure, but a damning signal nonetheless. Several other Western nations then cut or suspended their aid. It was the first time Kagame had ever lost a major public-relations battle, which is one reason I suspect he agreed to meet me, after years of turning down my requests for an interview; perhaps he felt it was time to engage in some image restoration.
When I brought up Congo, he nodded thoughtfully, knowing where the conversation was headed. He walked me through the complicated recent history between the two countries, starting in the early 1990s, when the Congolese government teamed up with Rwanda's Hutu-led government to try to beat back Kagame's rebel force. After Kagame routed the genocidal Hutu army, many of the militia leaders and army officers who orchestrated the genocide fled into Congo and continued to attack Rwanda from refugee camps just inside the Congo border. Believing that Congo's government (at the time called Zaire) was harboring the Hutu militants, Kagame invaded Congo in 1996, and the violence has continued to this day. In late August, tensions were mounting between the two countries again after mortar shells were fired from Congo into Rwanda.
One issue historically has been that the Tutsi-dominated Rwandan Army has been secretly supporting various Congolese forces to carve out a Tutsi-controlled buffer zone along the border, which for decades has been a porous membrane for the flow of people, animals and goods between Rwanda and Congo. Kagame told me that many Rwandan Tutsis fear that their Tutsi brethren inside Congo could be massacred if Rwanda does not protect them. He acknowledged that some Rwandan churches have been sending money to Congolese rebels, as part of a Tutsi self-protection campaign. But Kagame's critics say that is just a flimsy rationale for interfering in a country with glittering spoils that are easy to grab.
The president also admitted - and this was the first time I was aware of him saying it - that some Rwandan soldiers were indeed fighting inside Congo, but he insisted they were deserters. "At one time, we even had some of our soldiers escape, and they just go," Kagame said. It was an almost-clever way to explain why Rwandan troops had been spotted inside Congo, but it didn't make much sense. In a place as locked down as Rwanda, how could government soldiers "just go" anywhere without someone at the top ordering it or willingly looking the other way? After I questioned Kagame about this, he adamantly defended himself. "Are you really serious?" he asked. "Why has the United States, with all its might, failed to shut off the border with Mexico for the drugs and everything else that crosses? Is it because the United States is not trying? This thing has its own complexity."
The sun was now starting to slant through the gaps in the curtains, and Kagame's face began to show the strain of sleeping only four or five hours a night. His answers were getting shorter, his pauses longer. As my time with him wound down, Kagame turned almost melancholy. He rose slowly from his chair, smoothed out his slacks and got ready to say goodbye. "I have all these names associated with me," he said, "some of which I accept, others which are not fair." Before I left, he told me, almost in a whisper: "God created me in a very strange way."



Jeffrey Gettleman is the East Africa bureau chief for The New York Times. He is working on a memoir.
Editor: Ilena Silverman




A version of this article appears in print on September 8, 2013, on page MM38 of the Sunday Magazine with the headline: The Conscience of a Strongman.


[TD="width: 381"]
[/TD]


67 Comments

Share your thoughts.






  • All
  • Reader Picks
  • NYT Picks

Newest
Write a Comment





  • none.png
    • Graham Baugh
    • Calgary, Canada

    I lived and worked in Rwanda in 1987 through 1989. I also found myself there during the genocide. My latest visit to the country was in 2010. When I personally assess pre-genocide Rwanda and post-genocide Rwanda and how Paul Kagame has influenced life in Rwanda I would give him a B+ overall. The grade is for ending the genocide, rebuilding a devasted country and trying to disable the cultural weknesses that caused the genocide. The people that experienced the genocide, including me, were severely traumatized. I was able to leave and hela at home in Canada. Rwandan survivors were not as lucky as me. Kagame's strong leadership gives those people hope that it won't happen to them again. Is he an overly controlling and perhaps ruthless leader? Of this I have no doubt. When I interacted with RPF soldiers during the war they were in awe of Kagame and feared him. Discipline within the ranks of the RPF army was ruthlessly enforced. Kagame has brought that same discipline to Rwanda as a whole. Part of the B+ I give him is for doing this. Rwanda is a land of contradictions so where he fails is also for doing this.



  • none.png
    • A.G. Alias
    • St Louis, MO

    This account is quite illuminating.

    While reading this, I was amazed by Kagame's achievements. I felt, here is an African leader who ought to be elevated to lead all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And the West ought to enable that to happen.

    But as I read through, his vindictiveness was quite disheartening. Anger issues may not be that big a problem, if he were forgiving. You don't get the picture of a forgiving individual. That's disappointing.

    Then again, his "transgressions" could be overlooked, if he proves not to be a monster. Spending $15,000 a night for a fancy hotel with Rwanda's meagre resources, if he doesn't repeat, is forgivable.

    In any case, he deserves the support, with merciless criticism, of the rest of the world.



  • none.png
    • bthogan
    • Philadelphia

    Who says Kagame is trying to kill anyone? Kagame is merely the face of a regime, and like regimes everywhere, the man you see is most certainly not the decider-in-chief.

    He seems like a genuinely thoughtful, even benign individual. That doesn't make the regime any less lethal.



  • none.png
    • Daoud
    • Ottawa

    Fascinating article, one question I would have wished was asked of Kagame: what happens after him? Even if the Rwandan constitution gets changed and he gets acclaimed as president-for-life, what happens after his life ends? Even if you accept that on the balance, President Kagame has been mostly positive, what happens after? This has been a chronic problem in Africa, succession-planning. I wish the reporter had asked him about post-Kagame Rwanda.



  • none.png
    • Char
    • D.C.

    Strong piece. However, I think the article is heavy handed at times in trying to shade the reader's perception of Kagame. "It was a little scary how quickly he flipped from friendly to imperious. He clearly wasn't used to confrontational questions, especially from a reporter." Describing his actions and reactions alone would have been more effective and valuable than having your "sense" and subjective views woven into the article.



  • none.png
    • Makasi
    • Philadelphia

    I had the privilege of meeting Gregoire Kayabanda , Rwanda's second president when I lived in Gisenyi, Rwanda in the early 1970s'. Kayabanda was very approachable and would take walks outside his residence every evening after dinner when he would speak with anyone who wanted to have a conversation. He was overthrown by Habyarimana in July 1973 and died mysteriously. Rwanda is a beautiful country and the people are very friendly, despite the massacre 20 years ago.



  • none.png
    • Steve
    • Westchester

    Extraordinary article. Congratulations Mr, Gettleman and the NYT!

    Having lived in democracy my entire life I find it terrible that others do not. Not in many African countries, not in many Asian countries, certainly not in Russia. However, I believe that in some of these countries, attempting to impose democracy too quickly, such as in Egypt, would lead to something much worse.

    The article discusses the tradeoffs (as much as can be done in a newspaper article), and given Africa's recent history, it sounds like it is a net positive for the country. The most likely alternative would be more anarchy and no possible bright future.

    Now we, and Kagame, should be thinking hard about the future of Rwanda and about Kagame's legacy. As Kagame might say "his ways are not sustainable". Kagame appears to be a relatively benevolent dictator (I know, many people would not use the word "benevolent") who tries to make the country better and does not steal millions from its coffers. However, when he is no longer able to lead, whether it be tomorrow or 20 years from now, the next leader may not be so country-focused. If the next leader has Kagame's current power he could dismantle all of Kagame's good.

    Now is the time to begin making the move to a more democratic state. To sharing power, and slowly helping the country to create the systems and institutions required to make it work.



  • none.png
    • George Bailey
    • New Jersey

    Our government supported the ultra authoritarian Mobutu Sese Seko when he serially raped his country, leaving nothing for the vast majority of his people despite the billions in aid that poured into Zaire. Should we now get worked up about an authoritarian leader in Africa who is actually doing something good for his people?

    When nations are not grounded in centuries of humanist legal frameworks, history has shown that majority rule can be very repressive, caring nothing of minority rights. (I could cite majority rule in the U.S. from before 1776 to the 1960s but it wouldn't fit the criteria expressed in the previous sentence.) In Rwanda, when the majority Hutus gained control, there was a horrible genocide. Yet, as the article stated, the Tutsi have ruled in Rwanda for centuries apparently without that kind of carnage. Iraq is becoming the bombing capital of the world under the majority Shiites, thanks to us. Even the Alawites in Syria protected Christians, secularists and other minorities. Can we guarantee or do we assume that the Sunni and jihadi forces fighting Assad will do the same?

    Sometimes the devil we know may be better than the devil we don't know.



  • none.png
    • PhilloMN
    • Rochester, MN

    ***Continued from earlier comment****

    When the Ugandan-supported rebellion to oust President Juvenal Habyarimana of Rwanda broke out in 1990, Kagame was at Fort Leavenworth. A few days into the rebellion, it's military leader – Major general Fred Rwigyema (another senior officer of Rwandese decent in the higher echelons of Uganda's military), was killed. Kagame was then summoned to come back to Rwanda and assume leadership of the guerilla movement that went on to overthrow the Hutu-dominated government of Rwanda in 1994 and stopped the genocide.

    I realize that you couldn't include all these details in your otherwise well-written piece, but to truly understand Kagame, it would be foolhardy to not acknowledge how his thinking and worldview was shaped by his role in the Ugandan liberation struggle. That experience is so integral to his thinking. One can even argue that without President Museveni and the NRA, there would never have been a Rwanda Patriotic Front/Army (RPA/F). Most of whose founders and leaders of this movement (including Kagame) were educated and trained in Uganda and still have strong familial and professional connections there. Many of them are currently running Rwanda right now. The bonds between the 2 countries and their leaders are still very close to this day and can not be delineated without skewing history.



  • none.png
    • j. von hettlingen
    • Switzerland
    • Verified

    What's "impressive" about Paul Kagame is that he's not corrupt, unlike many leaders in other African nations. He is no doubt "repressive" and tolerates no opposition. When his rebel army ended the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people in 1994, he became first vice-president and president in 2000. He has been praised by economists for striving to lift the country out of poverty. Yet, just like in Zimbabwe, total submission is the price that citizens have to pay.



  • cropped-35423043.jpg
    • Phillip Cramer
    • Winnipeg, Manitoba

    Portrait photo of Mr. Kagame is reminiscent of the late, great Armenian Canadian portraitist Yousuf Karsh. Compelling, transfixing photo.



  • none.png
    • EC
    • New York, NY

    Congratulations on a fantastic story (and fantastic photo) that deserved to be told. NYT editors should be commended for publishing a long-form article on this important topic.
    I have been involved in international efforts that combat repression of free speech in Rwanda. The situation there reminds me strongly of China. There too, opinion is split over the strong authoritarian regime. During my visits there, many decried the heavy-handedness of the Communist Party; but for every critic, I also met those who supported the country's miraculous economic rise (the "sleeping dragon awakened")--many young Chinese are simply too busy making money and bettering their lives to worry about freedom of speech or one-party control. I suppose one thing Kagame has over the Chinese Communist Party is the lack of widespread official corruption and graft (as the article noted, it is easier to run a smaller country than a large sprawling one).
    Perhaps, as other commentators have said, it is neither fair nor practical to expect developing countries with troubled colonial pasts to adopt fully-formed, western-style democracies. But, I suppose, neither do we need to keep pumping money into places like Rwanda without some serious strings attached. Or publishing good, critical journalism about its leaders, for that matter.



  • none.png
    • Phillo
    • Rochester, MN

    This story is rather revisionist and misses a very important part of President Kagame's biography. The claim that Kagame is "A soldier by training, he joined a Ugandan rebel group shortly out of high school, rose up through the ranks and then did a short stint at the staff college at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., part of the Pentagon's efforts to make African armies more professional.", fails to mention that Kagame wasn't just any "soldier by training" and that the rebel army he joined, wasn't just another "Ugandan rebel group". Like many ethnic Rwandese who grew up in Uganda as a "refugee", he was virtually integrated in the Ugandan social fabric. And like many Ugandans who were intent on rescuing their country from years of brutal dictatorships, he joined President Yoweri Museveni's National Resistance Army (NRA) in 1982 as one of the original core of 27 fighters who started that rebellion. He rose through the ranks as one of Museveni's most trusted and effective rebel commanders.

    Upon taking power in 1986 Kagame was one of the highest ranking officers in the NRA (now the UPDF), and rose to the rank of Major General and was the head of Uganda's Military Intelligence unit. He was a serving officer in the UPDF when he was sent to Fort Leavenworth for further military training.


    • cropped-49667872.jpg
      • Ann Garrison
      • Oakland, California

      And, just why do you think the Pentagon would invest in the "professionalizing" an African military, particularly a refugee army that was about to invade Rwanda from Uganda? Humanitarian concern?




  • none.png
    • Mark R
    • New York, NY

    Modern-day Westerners often fail to appreciate that undeveloped nations with fewer police and social resources must resort to harsh punishments to maintain order. Cruel as Kagame may be, he is still far more lenient and progressive than the leaders of highly refined and civilized European countries a few hundred years ago, who maintained order by drawing and quartering criminals and dissenters and impaling their heads on city gates. Frankly, I am impressed that Kagame manages to maintain order in such an undeveloped nation while still maintaining some semblance of modernity.



  • none.png
    • Kris
    • Kabul, Afghanistan

    I ran a mobile phone and Internet company in Rwanda several years back. It was, at the time, the largest US private sector investment in the country. For various reasons, some business, others personal, we got on the wrong side of Kagame and the GoR. What happened next was straight out of a movie. Trumped up charges, absurd fines for alleged failure to perform and culminating in negotiations that led to the company being forced to sell at a fraction of its value. The GoR then quickly resold it at a very nice profit to a Libyan entity.

    Flash forward a few years. Libya's in turmoil, Qaddafi's dead and, the movie's a sequel this time. Same script. Charges levied against the company, licenses retracted, assets seized, etc. Then quickly resold once again, this time to an Indian company. Things happen.

    Opportunistic and ruthless, yes. But, on balance, Rwanda remains a model of African exceptionalism. Mr. Gettleman's article strikes a fair median between the two.



  • none.png
    • Yeluno
    • Columbia, MD

    Thank you, Mr. Gettleman. I suggest all read this article from end to beginning. This crazy feeling of 'specialness' that is shared by all despots is exhibited in that last sentence of the piece. History is full of 'expert managers' that made the trains run on time and built magnificent buildings as an ode to their superior races. To a man, all were murderous brutes who micromanaged their citizens' lives, all the while being admired by the 'world' and its inept and guilt ridden leaders.
    A president of a country that sees only a problem of sustainability in physically beating up his subordinates is a psycho by definition. As much as I admire President Clinton, his blind eye to the Kagames, Meleses and Musevenis of this world is shameful.
    Kagame will go as death will get us all. It might be by another murderous man as himself or a heart attack, but then we will have another genocide as the now-oppressed will seek their revenge. Tragedy will always accompany murderous despots.



  • none.png
    • theni
    • phoenix
    NYT Pick


    Great interview, great insight into a region once ignored by us. Scary president, hopefully he does not turn into another Mugabe. Big question is how the western world can keep this guy from turning into a monster. The first real bad indicator will be if he continues on to a third term. I would love to see this nation progress into a Singapore after all the suffering and misery which occured during the genocide.



  • none.png
    • Hari Prasad
    • Washington, D.C.
    NYT Pick


    I worked on Rwanda from 1994 (just after the genocide) until 1998. I was struck by the sheer capacity, hard work, charm and tragedy of Rwandans, Hutu and Tutsi. I can only wish the people and the country well, and remember distinctly my meeting with Vice President (at the time) Paul Kagame, right at the beginning of the end of the massive refugee camps in Zaire (then so -called). He is indeed a remarkably forceful, if soft-spoken, leader. To what extent economic growth, reduced poverty and better access to health and education can lead to longer-term peaceful development after the end of the "strongman's" rule, who knows?



  • none.png
    • Irfan
    • Boston, MA

    Excellent work by Mr Gettleman. Complex analysis with multiple facts to back up those questions. Thank you for reporting non-headline grabbing but very important issues.



  • none.png
    • maryf
    • New York

    That is one of the most stunning portrait photos I've ever seen!!



  • none.png
    • bdmossberg
    • Washington D.C.

    Once again--an amazing analysis of a very complex and unique situation. This is a very rare glimpse into the mind of a most celebrated and feared African leader. Thank you, Mr. Gettleman, for asking him the questions that needed to be asked.



  • none.png
    • Craig R
    • New York

    An excellent article that not only describes the rise of one of Africa's most respected leaders, but the complexity, brutality and uncertainty that seems to follow. We should follow the story of Rwanda closely over the coming years - as perhaps a model of what can be replicated elsewhere, or a model of what should never be tolerated anywhere.



  • none.png
    • Jen
    • NY

    The most surprising thing to me about the aftermath of the genocide is that Islam did not wind up gaining a faster foothold in the country. The Catholic Church in Rwanda was deeply mixed up in the mechanism of the '94 genocide, and when it came to religious convictions guiding humane behavior, the Muslims in Rwanda acquitted themselves very well. For a while after the genocide it seemed Islam was on the rise in the country. But I'm guessing Kagame, the new mwami, has had some subtle thing to do with that not really happening?. At the very least, he is certainly a charismatic and powerful force. But again, don't ascribe wholly to Kagame what is part of the Rwandan national character. This country was called "the Switzerland of Africa" long before the Kagame era. This is a highly organized society and always has been. Ironically, it is that character that was distorted during the genocide and became a tool of slaughter.



  • none.png
    • murfie
    • san diego

    Rwanda, Ethiopia and Uganda were all cited as African countries obtaining some measure of success amongst a continental sea of "failed states" and tribal anarchy. All three are ruled by authoritarian and marginally benign despots who have accomplished some measure of control by ruthless measures. This said, I find the article somewhat confusing and contradictory.

    Western democracies have an embarrassment of wars and oppressions of their own, including the colonial exploitation and manipulations of tribal ignorance in Africa that deprives them of any high ground to preach to Kagame or anyone else. This isn't to say he does not deserve criticism. But Gettleman supplies no rationale for an option to him that is certain to do better amongst those competitors who have "fled."

    it seems we have an irrational impatience to move Africa from tribal chaos and the rule of corruption to democratic statehood on a Mad Hatter's timetable. If it takes a relatively enlightened strongman to reverse these malignancies, shouldn't we accept
    the incremental successes that come at the leadership of those strong enough to impose some measure of order in the evolution of African statehood as part of long, if untidy process?



  • none.png
    • Kelli
    • Arizona

    Since when are journalists allowed to add such blatant opinions into a story? This profile was fascinating until I got to:
    "The United States has a long history, of course, of putting aside concerns over human rights and democratic principles and supporting strongmen who can protect its strategic interests, like keeping the oil flowing or Communist sympathizers or Muslim extremists in check."

    The NYT of all places should know better. You set the bar. Either mark this as an editorial, or cut out the opinions. Your readers don't want the journalist to give us his opinions on American politics.


    Read All 4 Replies


    • none.png
      • Steve Jones
      • Scottsdale, AZ

      That the US has a long history of putting aside concerns over human rights and democratic priinciples and supporting strongmen who can protect strategic interests, like keeping the oil flowing or Communist sympathisers or Muslims in check, is not an opinion. It is verifiable fact. It is our history. You may wish it were not so, as do I, but it is our history.



    • none.png
      • STF
      • Boston, MA

      This is a pretty well established fact at this point, unfortunately. I don't think it even requires an argument on the part of the author -- fair to just state it.



    • none.png
      • CL
      • Boulder, CO

      I agree the rhetoric of the piece does not lend an air of objectivity. Specifically, I found "Rwandans tend to do what their leaders say, whether it's hacking up their neighbors or stringing up mosquito nets" to be unbelievably condescending. Nor did I care for "He clearly wasn't used to confrontational questions, especially from a reporter," an unsupported statement that is more about the reporter than his subject. First-person pieces like this make me long for the Economist.




Read More Comments







Get Free E-mail Alerts on These Topics


[TD="class: column"] Kagame, Paul [/TD]
[TD="class: lastColumn"] Rwanda [/TD]

[TD="class: column singleRule"] War Crimes, Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity [/TD]
[TD="class: lastColumn singleRule"] Hutu Tribe [/TD]




[TABLE="class: nytd_google_ads nytd_google_single_ad"]
[TR="class: header"]
[TD="class: left"]Ads by Google[/TD]
[TD="class: right"]what's this?[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: listing"]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Brain Training Games
Improve memory and attention with
scientific brain games.
www.lumosity.com[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]




Log In With Facebook Log in to see what your friends are sharing on nytimes.com. Privacy Policy | What's This?
What's Popular Now
facebook.gif



safe_image.php
Leaving a Tip: A Custom in Need of Changing?


safe_image.php
Death in Prison of Man Who Held Ohio Women Captive Prompts Investigations













4 articles viewed recently
none.png

All Recommendations


[TABLE="class: leftAlignedMostPop"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: listNumber"]1.[/TD]
[TD="class: mostPopularTitle"]Rwanda Warns Congo After Shells Hit Its Territory
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: listNumber"]2.[/TD]
[TD="class: mostPopularTitle"]Heavy Casualties on Both Sides as Congo Soldiers Fight Rebels Near Eastern City
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mostPopularImg"] [/TD]
[TD="class: listNumber"]3.[/TD]
[TD="class: mostPopularTitle"]In Obama's High-Level Appointments, the Scales Still Tip Toward Men
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: listNumber"]4.[/TD]
[TD="class: mostPopularTitle"]Congo: Government Retakes Critical Territory
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mostPopularImg"] [/TD]
[TD="class: listNumber"]5.[/TD]
[TD="class: mostPopularTitle"]Clinton Urges Americans to Sign Up for Health Care Exchanges
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: listNumber"]6.[/TD]
[TD="class: mostPopularTitle"]Bill Clinton at King Commemoration
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: listNumber"]7.[/TD]
[TD="class: mostPopularTitle"]Bill Clinton Defends Affordable Care Act
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: listNumber"]8.[/TD]
[TD="class: mostPopularTitle"]Women in the Room
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mostPopularImg"] [/TD]
[TD="class: mostPopularTitle"]The TV Watch

At Ceremony for Civil Rights Milestone, an Image That Spoke Volumes
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: listNumber"]10.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]














Advertise on NYTimes.com



[TABLE="class: nytd_google_ads nytd_google_single_ad"]
[TR="class: header"]
[TD="class: left"][/TD]
[TD="class: right"]what's this?[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: listing"]
[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Sichangii sana mambo ya Kagame siku hizi.Naona propaganda zimekuwa nyingi mno.nimekuwa suspicious na huu mvutano wa Great Lakes,ni kweli Kagame na Jk wamepishana lugha tuu?ni kweli tumepeleka jeshi Congo kulinda amani kwa maslahi ya Congo au tunatumika na wakubwa?nakumbuka shutuma za yule waziri mwanamama machachari wa Kenya aliyemshutumu Nkapa kuhusika na vita ya Congo...maswali ni meengi kuliko majibu aargh,Moshe Dayan subiri kwanza nitafakari!


yule mama alijionyesha upunguani wake na kupiga kelele.......she had no idea whatsoever of what she was talking about.....!.....Kenyans wengi hawapendi kitu chochote ambacho ni positive kwa Tanzania.......sasa mmoja wa wehu ni huyo mama......
 
Joka Kuu.
Tanzania hatukua wazi kipindi hicho kwasababu baadhi ya wafanyabiashara wetu na wakubwa serikalini wakifanya biashara ya kuuza silaha pande zote mbili zilizokuwa zinapigana. Mwulize mtu yeyote aliye kuwa anafanya kazi Airport ya Mwanza atakueleza.

Angola iliingia ktk vita hiyo sikwasababu ya kumsaidia mwanachama mwenzake wa Sadc bali kutokana na matatizo yake ya Cabinda na wapiganaji wa Unita! Na kwa kiasi kikubwa kama siyo jeshi la Angola,utawala wa Kabila mkubwa ungeangushwa!

Wakufunzi wa JWTZ wamekua DRC toka kipindi hicho wakitoa mafunzo kwa kikosi cha ulinzi wa Rais na special forces. Tatizo kubwa la msingi ambalo ukikutana na askari wetu walioko Kinshasa watakwambia askari wengi wa Congo,hawana nidhamu,uzalendo na bidii ya kazi! Ni makosa haya ya wananchi wa Congo yamegeuza taifa hili kubwa kama mbwa koko kibogoyo!

Na si kwamba matatizo haya ya Wacongo yameanza leo,ni muda mrefu. Unaelewa Che alisemaje baada ya kukaa Congo na watu ambao aligundua siyo makini. Matatizo ya Wavongo yataisha pale watakapo jitambua. Si Tanzania wala UN,sijui nani ataweza rudisha ktk mstari taifa hili kubwa,tajiri,wananchi masikini ktk eneo la maziwa makuu!
ni kweli, na hata sasa kwa kuliona hilo, Tanzania itapokea cadet 600+ na kuwafunda kuwa maofisa wa jeshi ili wakatumike huko kwao DRC, again, we train them, then, don't be surprised one among them will malfunction against us in future
 
yule mama alijionyesha upunguani wake na kupiga kelele.......she had no idea whatsoever of what she was talking about.....!.....Kenyans wengi hawapendi kitu chochote ambacho ni positive kwa Tanzania.......sasa mmoja wa wehu ni huyo mama......
anaitwa Martha Karua yule
 
Kama CCM wasingekuwa BIZE na kuuza KOKEINI na HIROINI ili kukusnya fedha za uchaguzi 2015 Kagame asingeweza kudai kwamba anafanya TIMING.
Hata hivyo,Huyu ni kijana wetu wa kumlea, tukimwondoa pale Rwanda kutakuwa na vurugu kubwa sana na wakuumia ni sisi.
So far ameweza kutuliza ghasia na uasi ni afdhari aendelee kuwepo.
Hawa vijana wa Kinyarwanda waliojaa usalama wa taifa huku wakidai ni Wahangaza, wahaya na wengine wanyantuzu tunawajua kwa sura majina na zaidi movement zao zote. Hawa dawa yao ni ndogo sana.

Mguu ukijaa funza haukatwi. Kwanza unachukua jivu unamwagia sakafu yote na uwanja unafagia na kuuchoma uchafu kisha unanyunzia maji kila kona.Halafu unachukuchua Safety pin kubwa unaDILI na funza mmoja mmoja huku ukiugua kwa maumivu.
WEK_SafetyPin.jpg
 
Hapo kwenye red, ni kwamba hata wasipowekewa vikwazo......wakitia mguu Congo tena....basi tutacheza ndombolo pale Kigali...!

Membe majuzi kawaonya.....wameishia kuweka majeshi Gisenyi na Ruhengeri...!

JWTZ wamedhibitisha kuwa mateka mpaka sasa ni wapiganaji 2602......wakiwemo maafisa wajuu 4 wa jeshi la Rwanda.........!


Source:
Jeshi la Wananchi Tz ‏@JW_TZ Vita imefika Def Con 003, ni ushindi wa 96%, Hii inatokana na kufanikiwa kukamata mateka 2602 ikiwemo maafisa wa juu wa 4 wa Jeshi la Rwanda

What!!!!! Mateka elfu mbili........sijui hatima yao itakuwa nini
 
Acha kudanganya ulimwengu na pumba zako hizi! Unadhani TISS ni taasisi inaingiliwa tu kama choo! Shame on you! Mwishowe mtasema maafisa wote wa TISS waliozaliwa Kagera na Kigoma ni wanyarwanda!

kwa hiyo unambishia au unataka kusema kuwa hawapo?
 
hizi nazo...mbona hakuna historia yoyote official inayomtaja kagame Tanzania? museveni sio siri, kabila sio siri, raila odinga etc. Hizi habari za ati kagame naye alikuwa bongo mbona zimeibuka juzi tu wakati wa mgogoro? i dont believe this!
 
On the beeb nimesikia kuna interview mpya muandishi wa New York Times kamfanyia Kagame, Kagame kakiri kwamba huwa anawapiga wafanyakazi wake na kwamba majeshi ya Rwanda yapo Congo.
 
Kagame na museveni ni marafiki sana tena wana undugu wa karibu ndio sabaabu wote kwa pamoja wanahitaji dhahabu ya congo .ndio sababu viongozi hao walikutana na kenyatta .ni unafiki anaohufanya kuahunganisha na maraisi hao .tusubiri watajuta baadae .kagame ni nyoka wa vichwa saba,
 
kagame ni mtu hatari sana kutokana na maelezo tuliyoyapokea .kumbuka kagame alimuuwa habiyalima naraisi wa burudi.na alishausiswa na mahuaji hayo ambayo hat ufarasa bado hawana imani naye .mtu kama kagame jinsi alivyoslim unategenea nini?antaka kuhiuwa africa mashariki ,eti yeye na kenyatta na museveni waanishe shirikisho lao.hana lolote toto dogo tu. kuna mtu nyuma yake tutamtambua tu.chezea bongo w.eye
 
ni kweli, na hata sasa kwa kuliona hilo, Tanzania itapokea cadet 600+ na kuwafunda kuwa maofisa wa jeshi ili wakatumike huko kwao DRC, again, we train them, then, don't be surprised one among them will malfunction against us in future

Mkorofi sana huyu mama
 
Back
Top Bottom