Operation Sangara: Chadema yajipanga Upya

[MaxShimba]

Every Cult is like looking for a black cat in a dark room; Marxist
philosophy is like looking for a black cat in a dark room, but the cat isn't
there; Christianity is like looking for a black cat in a dark room, the cat
isn't there, and you... same shit...! But you keep shouting "I've found it! I've found it! Wake up!"

Wewe XP, acha manenoyako yasiiyo kuwa na kichwa wala miguu. CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A CULT.

ISLAM IS A CULT, hivi unajuwa maana ya submission kwenye cult yenu ya Waarabu? Stop writing nonsense hapa. Naona wewe na Mwaipopo akili moja.

 

[Sikonge]

Sikonge,
Swala la Kenya ni swala tofauti kabisa na hili hapa, kwanza sisi na Wakenya ni watu tofauti kwa mipaka na maendeleo yetu yanapatikana kwa mipaka na kifupi tunashindana. Swala la Tanzania kuwa na mapungufu na hata maneno wanayosema Wakenya yanakubalika kwa sababu hatuna undugu zaidi ya kuwa majirani..Mimi na wewe hatushindani na kama tungekuwa tukishindana swala la OIC usingezungumzia kabisa nikakusikiliza!..

Kinachonishinda mimi ni pale watu kama wewe mnaposema sisi wote ni Watanzania lakini bado unataka maendeleo yetu yawe kwa mipaka tena mipaka yenyewe itazame upande mmoja tu. Mnasema Waislaam hivi ama vile na hata kufikia kusema hatuna elimu wakati wewe hapo elimu yako ni ya kupima dukani. Siwezi kuamini mtu aliye graduate anaweza kuwa na ufinyu kama huu niunao hapa unless mtu huyo kashinda mitihani kupata cheti cha kutundika ukutani na sio kaelemika..

Matusi haya ni sawa na kumtukana mama yako ambaye hana elimu wakati amekuzaa, amekulea na sasa umefikia kuwa dume zima, barekhe inakusumbua..Kifupi unakimbia uchi ukifikiria una simu mkononi sijui uliweza vipi kubakia nayo wakati ukioga uchi, nguo zimeibiwa..
Umaskini wa Muislaam ni umaskini wako kwa sababu huyu ni ndugu yako ambaye kwa bahati mbaya wazazi wako hawakumwezesha kama mkristu mwingine aliyeshindwa kupata elimu vile vile...
Tunapotazama maswala ya umaskini wetu hatuyatazami kwa kupima kabila, dini wala rangi na kama tutafikia huko basi Maneno ya Raj Patel hayana ubishi..Ama kweli MIAFRIKA ndivyo tulivyo...na kwa mtaji huu CCM itatawala milele na milele - AMIN!

Mkandala,
Maneno yako mengi nakubaliana na wewe. Ila nakataa vipengele viwili vitatu. Hakuna aliyesema WAISLAM WOTE hamna elimu. Ndiyo maana napata wasiwasi kama ulisoma ujumbe wangu wote. Tafadhali hebu soma tena. Nimeandika waziwazi kuwa hapa ubishi ni ASILIMIA na kwa vyovyote vile si 100% na hata siyo 90%.

Tukija kwenye SIMU. Hii ilikuwa LUGHA YA PICHA. Ila kama ulifikiri utanipata kwa hili basi ngoja nikushangaze kuwa kuna simu WATER PROOF.

LG CanU 502 waterproof cellphone - Engadget

au NOKIA 5140

 

[Sikonge]

- Mkulu wangu Bob, duh sasa mbona unamwaga lazi ndugu yangu chonde chonde! Duh! yaani hii sasa inazidi hata kumkoma nyani, walalhi sitaki mie akha!

Bob, noma maneno makali sana maana mwenye macho haambiwi ona!

FMes,
Bob anamwaga LAZI siyo? Unafahamu lakini LAZI inavyomwagwa?? teteeee.
Ila heri uisikie, kuliko na ikutokee LIVE. Tuwaheshimu Wazazi/Walezi na wazee wetu ili wasije wakatuinamia wanapotoka mtoni KUOGA.

 

[William J. Malecela]

Bob anamwaga LAZI siyo? Unafahamu lakini LAZI inavyomwagwa?? teteeee.
Ila heri uisikie, kuliko na ikutokee LIVE. Tuwaheshimu Wazazi/Walezi na wazee wetu ili wasije wakatuinamia wanapotoka mtoni KUOGA.

- Mkuu vipi hapa unaongea na mimi au? Maana I have no clue unachosema ni nini hasa?

 

[Sikonge]

- Mkuu vipi hapa unaongea na mimi au? Maana I have no clue unachosema ni nini hasa?

Ni Mazungumzo baada ya HABARI. Wala usijali. Sanasana ujumbe wa chini ndiyo muhimu kuwa TUHESHIMU WAZEE/WAZAZI/WALEZI wetu.

 

[William J. Malecela]

- Mkulu wangu naona umechanganya kidogo maana ya maneno, kuna tofauti kubwa sana kati ya neno radhi unalolisema wewe, na neno lazi kama nilivyolisema,

- Mjini huwa tunatumia neno lazi kwa maana nyingine kabisaaa mkuu maana sasa nimekuelewa.

Thanxs!

 

[Xyln]

Apologies, this thread will close up in 15 minutes for all posting. Thank you !

 

[Mama]

Apologies, this thread will close up in 15 minutes for all posting. Thank you !

Why are you apologizing then if you have decided to close this thread in 15 minutes?

You have made your decisions and set the time limits, so why are you announcing?

You are doing no justice for members who wish to post useful ideas! To be fair you should make it clearly open and sound the reasons for closing it!

 

[Kuhani]

...To be fair you should make it clearly open and sound the reasons for closing it!

Halafu cha ajabu ni kwamba Painkiller is one of the most eloquent communicators of all here, na akiandika yuko exquisitely on-point and forceful, lakini inapokuja kwenye kuelezea sababu za actions zao/zake anageuka bubu!

 

[Xyln]

Why are you apologizing then if you have decided to close this thread in 15 minutes?

You have made your decisions and set the time limits, so why are you announcing?

You are doing no justice for members who wish post useful ideas! To be fair you should make it clearly open and sound the reasons for closing it!

Mama,

Apologies - To anyone who might be in the process of posting only to find this thread has been closed.

Apologies - As one way of being polite, an attempt even though the decision has been made.

Apologies - This is not the first instance of moderation on this thread. If everything posted here so far would be allowed, someone else with similar although opposing sentiments could easily question why are we allowing such comments to flourish.

You might not be grateful with my announcement but I believe someone else may. Apologies if I didn't negotiate the timescale with you.

Thread is closing for moderation. As a moderator I have no other intentions of closing a thread but for moderation. It is very unfortunate that there are times this cannot be communicated nor be negotiated. Thread will remain open to read. Have a nice day !

 

[Xyln]

10 more minutes added in response to Mama. Thank you !

 

[Mama]

Thread is closing for moderation. As a moderator I have no other intentions of closing a thread but for moderation. It is very unfortunately that there are times this cannot be communicated nor be negotiated. Thread will remain open to read. Have a nice day !

Thank you.

The thread will be closed for moderation purposes. You can even close it up now. The problem was not the time limits but the purpose of closure.

My point was, if you decided to close up the thread for any reason whatsoever, you do it whenever you wish. Only give the reasons. Do not apologize. Do not announce.

You know better your responsibilities and I don't intend to make a lecture.

 

[Sikonge]

- Mkulu wangu naona umechanganya kidogo maana ya maneno, kuna tofauti kubwa sana kati ya neno radhi unalolisema wewe, na neno lazi kama nilivyolisema,

- Mjini huwa tunatumia neno lazi kwa maana nyingine kabisaaa mkuu maana sasa nimekuelewa.

Thanxs!

Asante kwa shule Mkuu wangu. Ndiyo uzuri wa JF. Wengine sisi Wanyamwezi basi kila kwenye R tunaweka L na hapo hatuoni tofauti. Muha angelisoma LAZI ama RAZI.

 

[Fundi Mchundo]

Hivi kwani hakuna tafsiri za qur'an ktk kiswahili au kiinglish? Ninavyojua mimi waislamu wengi wanazo kopi za tafsiri za aya mbalimbali za qur'an...hayo uloyasema umeyatoa wapi? Mpaka hapo umeshakwaza/kashfu watu bila kujijua kwa kuandika vitu usovielewa vizuri! Qur'an kusomwa kama ilivyo kuna sababu zake tena za msingi sana (darasa lingine kwa siku nyingine) na haina maana kwamba usipojua kiaarabu basi kwisha habari yako "uta-cram tu," hayo ni matusi braza!...kama jambo ulijui vyema ni kheri kukaa kimya kuliko kutafuta umaarufu kwenye www.

Kinachojitokeza hapa ni wakristo (si wote) hapa JF kukurupuka na kuanza kukashfu kila aliye muislam ilhali wanajua wazi kuwa Mwaipopo na Msopa si wasemaji wa waislamu wooooooooote wa Tanzania....sasa wewe ulitaka sie tukae kimya na ku-enjoy kashfa za kina Mtindio na genge lake? Nani kwani alieanza kukashfu dini ya mwenzake hapa? Umefanya nini ktk mada ya "ustaadhi aliebaka" ambayo ikageuka na kuwa thread ya kumkashfu mtume wa mungu na dini yake? Umefanya nini ktk thread ya "magaidi watatu wakamatwa AR"? Thread kibao hapa zinatuka dini nyingine, mods wanaangalia wakati wadinidini wanajulikana na kuna jukwaa lao ambalo baadhi yetu hatuna access na hatutaki kuwa nazo...kwanini mada hizi zisiamishiwe huko? Binafsi nilikuwa nimekaa kimya natazama tu nikidhani mods watachukua hatua....lakini ilipofika hapa pa kuchanganya dini na siasa huku waislamu kwa ujumla wao wakiwa labeled ni anti-chadema, nikasema siwezi kuendelea kukaa kimya! Nadhani unaelewa.....

Kuna mada ya "mtazameni mkenya huyu," mwanzilishi Abtitchaz...lau kama hiyo njemba ilobaka mentally handicaped teenager ingekuwa na jina la kiislamu (let say Bakari Hamduni), wallahi ungeona Doedoe, Schimidt, Muse a Muse, Max, Mtindio, Mtarajiwa, Mbarikiwa, Bongolander, Mpita Njia, Njowepo, Yo-yo, Mchukia Fisadi na vikarogosi vingine vikidai kuwa waislamu ndivyo walivyo na hata "mwamedi" alifanya vivyo hivyo!! Wewe Mchundo ungekaa kimyaaaaaaaa una-enjoy kwani rekodi yako ndivyo inavyoonyesha...!! Lakini waislamu hapa JF sijaona hata mmoja akija na hizo tact za jamaa zako. Ukiwa fair (wasiwasi wangu ni kuwa haupo fair) basi utaona kuwa sisi wakina YNIM tunajaribu kugawa dose ileile inayogawiwa na hao wagalatia wanaotukana waislamu bila sababu za msingi!

N.B: Hakuna sauti moja na haita tokea ambayo itakuwa inasemea waislamu wooooooooooooooooooote wa Tanzania. Kama una issue na Mwaipopo, Sheikh Flani, Ustaadhi Yule, Maalim Kisisina, Mufti Shamte, Mullah Nanilii au vyovyote, basi deal na huyo individual au/na genge lake bila kuburuza waislamu wote. Ukiweza kufanya hivyo, basi kila kitu kitakuwa burudani (kwa udinidini mlonao, sidhani kama hilo ni jepesi kwa upande wenu..sadly)! 🙁

Asante na mchana mwema...yay!

1. Sijawahi kusema kuwa mimi ni muislamu au kuwa ni expert wa uislamu. Siwezi kusema hivyo kwa sababu hata u/expert wa dini yangu sina.

2.Ninavyojua mimi, tafsiri zote za Quran ni unofficial. Sijawahi kusikia swala ikiongozwa kwa lugha nyingine isipokuwa kiarabu. Au katika Madrassa watoto wakajifunza Quran kwa lugha ya kiswahili. Hii ni tofauti na dini yangu ambapo kuna Biblia hata katika baadhi ya lugha zetu na inatumika hivyo kanisani. Biblia ya kiswahili inakubalika kumfundisha Mkristu na katika kuendesha ibada. Biblia imetafsiriwa vilevile katika lugha nyingine kibao ili kuifanya we accessible kwa muumini. Hii haimaanishi kuwa hakuna controversies katika hili maana kuna wengine wanaamini katika kutafsiri kutoka kiyunani kuna maana zimabadilika. Isitoshe hata katika kiingereza kuna tafsiri za Biblia katika kila kinachoitwa lugha rahisi. Hizi ni fact na si ushabiki wa dini yeyote.

3. Pamoja na kupenda kuchangia katika kumbi tofauti humu lakini si kila mahali ninapoweza kufanya hivyo au ninapotaka kufanya hivyo. Wewe na wengine kama wewe kipimo chako ni utetezi wa dini ya kiislamu au uislamu. Hauoni pale ambapo wenzako wanaanzsha thread za kukashifu upande mwingine. Anapokosolewa na kutukanwa matusi ya nguoni Ben unaona ni haki yake lakini anapoguswa Ramadhani inakuwa tatizo. Humu ndani kuna thread inazungumzia Askofu shoga wa kianglikana. Sijachangia maana najua bila shaka watu kama wewe na wenzako wakina Mtindio mtaigeuza kuwa uwanja wa matusi. Kama ambavyo mnafanya inapotokea mada inayowapa mwanya wa kuonyesha makucha yenu na kuwaruhusu kujibalaghua ati ni watetezi wa imani zetu. Ni nyinyi mnaoiingiza matusi na lugha za kebehi kwa kisingizio cha kutetea. Sasa unadhani kutukanana na wakina Mtindio ndiyo kunakufanya bora kuliko wao?

4. Pamoja na kuwa sina haja ya kujitetea kwako, angalia nani alikuwa wa kwanza kumpinga mwaandishi wa hii habari kwa kuwakashifu waislamu. Angalia posting namba 4.

Ni hayo tu.

Amandla........

 

[Xyln]

Thank you.

The thread will be closed for moderation purpose.

You don't have to apologize.

I am sorry Mama but I was born apologetic. So unfortunate of me !

 

[Kuhani]

I am sorry Mama but I was born apologetic. So unfortunate of me !

The softer side of the dreadful, the iron-fisted, Painkiller!

Nice to see that aspect of him.

Gender bias ??? haha aaaaaaaa

 

[Xyln]

Thread is now open, thank you !


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[Fundi Mchundo]

Kuna mada ya "mtazameni mkenya huyu," mwanzilishi Abtitchaz...lau kama hiyo njemba ilobaka mentally handicaped teenager ingekuwa na jina la kiislamu (let say Bakari Hamduni), wallahi ungeona Doedoe, Schimidt, Muse a Muse, Max, Mtindio, Mtarajiwa, Mbarikiwa, Bongolander, Mpita Njia, Njowepo, Yo-yo, Mchukia Fisadi na vikarogosi vingine vikidai kuwa waislamu ndivyo walivyo na hata "mwamedi" alifanya vivyo hivyo!! Wewe Mchundo ungekaa kimyaaaaaaaa una-enjoy kwani rekodi yako ndivyo inavyoonyesha...!! Lakini waislamu hapa JF sijaona hata mmoja akija na hizo tact za jamaa zako. Ukiwa fair (wasiwasi wangu ni kuwa haupo fair) basi utaona kuwa sisi wakina YNIM tunajaribu kugawa dose ileile inayogawiwa na hao wagalatia wanaotukana waislamu bila sababu za msingi!

Naam! Siko fair maana siamini kuwa kuna sababu yeyote ya msingi kumtukana mtu yeyote, period. Watu kama wewe mnachanganya uislamu na muislamu. Tunapomkosoa Ramadhani basi haraka haraka mnabeba bango la udini. Lakini tunapomkosoa Laurent nyinyi mnaona ruksa!

Hiyo thread unayoizungumzia wala sikuisoma na sioni inaingiaje humu. Kama ni kawaida ya hao unaowatuhumu kwa kuwalaani waislamu wote kwa makosa ya wachache basi ungetoa mifano halisi walipofanya hivyo. Au, better still, Fundi Mchundo alipofanya hivyo. Kusema kuwa ningekaa kimya kama hao wabaya wako wangefanya hivyo ni kuspeculate. Kuongeza kuwa nitafanya hivyo na kuenjoy ni worse speculation, maana haunioni na haunijui!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Ipo siku watu watakuja kukatana mapanga kwa ajili ya hizi dini! Vibes ninazozipata kulingana na sentiments walizonazo baadhi ya watu sio nzuri kabisa. Fingerpointing left, right, and center.

For once, I sure hope I'm dead wrong on this...

 

[Mkandara]

FMES,
Mkuu unajua siku zote tunazungumza hapa kijiweni kama Watanzania na matatizo yote tunayaweka kama ni matatizo yetu sote sasa inapokuwa mtu mmoja tena Sheikh Uchwara anapoweka agenda za siasa tunakuja hukumiwa sote kwa sababu tu mfumo wetu ktk dini haufanani inanipa wasiwasi na elimu zetu..

Sikonge,
Sasa mkuu ulipokuwa ukioga na simu waterproof badala ya sabuni ilikuwa ktk kujihadhari au ndio elimu yenyewe..kwi kwi kwi!
Sikiliza mkuu wangu ikiwa unatafuta pa kutokea milango yote imefungwa jaribu madirisha, jipinde na hakikisha unatanguliza miguu..
Hizo asilimia zinahusiana vipi na mjadala huu kama hukuwa na maana ya Waislaam kwa ujumla..umesema shule zetu mbovu, sasa iweje kuwepo na wenye elimu ikiwa shule mbovu, ebu nambie msomi wewe nini msingi wa elimu..
Mkuu acha uchuro, mimi na wewe wote tuna hustle, hakuna mbora kati yetu laa sivyo usingekuwa hapa JF.. Unakereka na matatizo ya wananchi na pengine familia yako ipo juani kama Wadanganyika wengine. Kwa lugha nyingine Nyani aliyevaa suti akiwa ktk circus Ulaya hana elimu kubwa kuliko nyani wa Burombora anayeruka mitini. Elimu ya mwafrika ni sawa na kuendesha baiskeli, yeyote mwenye access ya baiskeli na muda wa kujifunza anaweza kuendesha, lakini hatuwezi kutengeneza hata kengele ya hiyo baiskeli acha baiskeli nzima..hivyo usitake kabisa kujitoa ktk kundi la wajinga!
Nimemaliza mkuu, tujenge nchi sasa kwa hoja zenye maana...