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[Jotta]

EPL huwa ina maeneo yake ya timu iliyoko kileleni kuanguka

December-wakati wa mechi nyingi,hili inaonekana City kalipita tayari ama kashafaulu kwa asilimia nyingi

Xmas na Mwaka Mpya-hapa pana mtego mbaya sana wa timu kupoteza points,wachezaji wanawaza sana kuwa na familia zao kipindi hiki lakini kunakuwa na game ngumu katika tofauti ya muda mfupi tu

January-Machi wakati ambapo wachezaji wanapata ile kitu inaitwa fatique baada ya kuwa wametumika ipasavyo sehemu kubwa ya msimu...hapa ndio utaona watu kama De bruyne hawachezi tena kiwango chao mpaka wapate refreshment

May yenyewe ambapo timu nzuri zinakuwa na mashindano mengi magumu wakiwa karibu kuchukua ubingwa yaani hatua za juu zaidi.

City akipita majaribu hayo ndio atabeba kombe la EPL

Vinginevyo nashauri tujikite katika kuwaza timu yetu na sio kuangalia City anafanya nini

Kidogo kidogo naanza kupoteza matumaini ya ubingwa

 

[Mc Tilly Chizenga]

Kidogo kidogo naanza kupoteza matumaini ya ubingwa

tulichemsha sana kufungwa na City,11 points ni nyingi sana!lakini ndio kwanza tupo nusu msimu tusihofu!!

 

[Jotta]

Guardiola na man city yake wanazidi kuvimba bichwa tu

 

[Belo]

Breathtaking Manchester City Overshadowing José Mourinho’s Progress

By Jordan Clarke
Posted on December 18, 2017

Seventh, fourth, fifth and sixth. Manchester United’s last four Premier League finishes since Sir Alex Ferguson said goodbye to the Old Trafford faithful.

Though silverware has continued, title challenges have not and despite Manchester City being far from catchable, progression under José Mourinho is becoming more noticeable as the Red Devils look set to become the best of the rest.

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The problem for Mourinho and United fans alike is Pep Guardiola’s Citizens. The ‘noisy neighbours’ have dusted off the idea of only creating noise in Manchester (excluding in the dressing room at Old Trafford) and instead used their blue moon to overshadow any success Mourinho has in red.

Manchester United currently have one less point than Arsenal’s invincible side at the same stage in the season but still, Manchester City are eleven points clear. Of course, Mourinho could have and should have been more offensive in bigger games. Liverpool away and Chelsea away were two games which stick in the mind, though Paul Pogba’s absence wouldn’t have backed Mourinho’s thought process of being offensive against such opposition.

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Dropping points at Stoke after being in the lead and losing to Huddersfield after Victor Lindelöf’s defensive horror show were both scenarios which could have been avoided but it would still leave us five points behind the league leaders and winning in those two would almost certainly mean another result wouldn’t have gone United’s way later on.

Ultimately, Mourinho has United in title contending form in any other Premier League season, however, they’re not in a title race because of the miracle Guardiola has created at the Etihad. Guardiola’s players are so comfortable, they are able to mock Mourinho’s playing style in their ‘park the bus’ chant despite the Red Devils having scored more goals (39) than any other team in the league not named Manchester City. The blues are in a different league to anyone else in England right now.

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Guardiola has so much quality at his disposal it’s frightening. Every fixture they play seems to be a breeze and even when a last minute winner from Raheem Sterling seals all three points, it’s no surprise. Every player in City’s side right now is almost certainly nailing a place in the starting line-up of every other Premier League team whether fans like it or not.

And despite City’s incredible form, the media will have you believe José Mourinho has cost Manchester United a chance at the title with his style of play. However, he’s the closest manager in the league to a once in a generation footballing side. Antonio Conte has tried (1-0), Jürgen Klopp has tried (5-0), Arsène Wenger has tried (3-1) and most recently Mauricio Pochettino tried, losing 4-1.

Nobody could prepare for City to be this breathtaking and even when realisation has occurred, no manager in the top-flight has discovered the masterplan to beating Guardiola and as of late, it’s hard to think that anyone will this season.

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It seems like whenever Mourinho takes a step forward, Guardiola is taking two, but that doesn’t mean that the one step forward Mourinho makes is wasted as for the first time since 2013, Manchester United aren’t a mockery. In the league, the club sits in second whilst still being in every competition possible, with a noticeable mention of topping our Champions League group with relative ease.

Manchester City are currently a footballing phenomenon and no manager in world football other than Pep Guardiola would have United any higher than second. It’s a knock to both the pride of both the club and fans to admit it, but City are quite a bit better than Mourinho’s men at this moment in time and every other club in the league for that matter.

The pressure will continue to be applied, but City aren’t willing to crack and United don’t have an Eden Hazard type player who can carry them to the title when other teams are better. Perhaps it’s something required in the transfer market or something from within, but as of now, everything United can give, they are giving, but it’s still too little to overrule a magical City side.




Breathtaking Manchester City Overshadowing José Mourinho’s Progress

 

[Belo]

José Mourinho is having to tackle his biggest challenge as a manager

Daniel Taylor
Manchester United are second in the table, with more goals than many acclaimed champions down the years. But they are suffering in comparison with their rampant neighbours City


José Mourinho had a lot to think about during Manchester City’s 2-1 derby win at Old Trafford last Sunday. Photograph: Michael Steele/Getty Images


Saturday 16 December 2017 22.30 GMT Last modified on Saturday 16 December 2017

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While all the adventures seem to be happening on the other side of town right now, perhaps a little context is needed and it is worth pointing out that Manchester United have actually accumulated more points at this stage of the season than in six of the 13 championship-winning years when Sir Alex Ferguson was in charge and the Premier League title used to find its way back to Old Trafford like a homing pigeon.

José Mourinho’s team are six points better off, at the 17-game mark, than the treble-winning side of 1998-99 that will always be held up as Ferguson’s greatest work. The current side have outscored Arsenal’s Invincibles from the corresponding stage of the 2003-04 season and achieved the unique feat of being widely derided for anaemic football while, in reality, scoring more goals than the 1995-96 Newcastle side that was managed by Kevin Keegan and had the nickname of “the Entertainers”.

Mourinho’s players have 38 points from 17 games and, to put that into perspective, it is more than Ferguson’s teams had managed at the same stage in 16 out of 27 trophy-laden years. It is also more than Arsène Wenger’s sides managed in two of his three championship seasons and, in any other year, it would do just fine for a team that likes to think it has authentic title ambitions. Liverpool have won the league 18 times but there were only two of those occasions, in 1978-79 and 1987-88, when they had a better record at this stage of a season.

José Mourinho and Pep Guardiola pass buck and fail to face the truth
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Unfortunately for Mourinho, these are the details that can be overlooked when United are cut adrift in second place and England’s top division has never been in this position so early, with advent calendars barely half‑opened and Fairytale of New York on the radio, when the destination of the league title already feels like a foregone conclusion. Mourinho has put together a team that, in ordinary circumstances, would have an outstanding chance. The problem, of course, is that these are not ordinary circumstances, when the team the other side of Mancunian Way have been having so much fun the bookmakers have already started paying out, six months early.

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That does not make it impossible for Mourinho, the serial trophy machine, to conjure up a different narrative to take the emphasis away from Manchester City. His trophy haul last season shows he has assembled a formidable cup team. They are competing in three knockout competitions and Mourinho may still fancy the idea of emulating what happened 50 seasons ago – when City won the First Division title and two weeks later Matt Busby’s team trumped them with the European Cup.

The people who have been dancing on the Portuguese’s grave this past week should certainly make sure the coffin is properly nailed down first and Louis van Gaal, in particular, has some nerve criticising his successor when his own time in Manchester was so bland and grey. United, according to Van Gaal, are now playing “far more boring football” and he has questioned why Mourinho is not, in his view, subjected to the same level of criticism. “I always played attacking football. The proof is that the opposition were always parking the bus. They don’t do that now because Mourinho plays so defensively.”

Is he being serious? There was a point in the Van Gaal era, no matter how much he might want us to airbrush it from history, when United had taken fewer shots than every other Premier League club bar the Sunderland side that spent 237 days in the relegation places. United made more backward passes than any other club. They had the lowest percentage when it came to moving the ball forward and, frankly, the players hated it. David de Gea, for one, would not have stuck around if Van Gaal were still in charge. Other players talk of the mood inside the dressing room then as bordering on mutiny.

Mourinho, contrary to the Dutchman’s claims, has also been under intense scrutiny after the sporadic occasions, such as the game at Liverpool earlier this season, when a team once famous around the world for attacking football have not just parked the bus but jammed the handbrake and chucked the keys down the nearest drain.

Equally, it is a nonsense to say the current United side are less watchable, as a rule, than the one Mourinho inherited and anyone suggesting otherwise should perhaps note the fact Van Gaal’s final season saw the team score 49 league goals, when their previous average in the Premier League era was 76.4.

There is no doubt United’s supporters, the people who once produced a banner reading: “Not Arrogant, Just Better,” have known happier times and that the “Park the bus” chants from City’s supporters last Sunday will have cut to the bone. But don’t fall for the oft‑repeated line that watching United, under Mourinho, is a permanent bore‑fest. It is bordering on absurd when the team have already scored four goals on eight separate occasions this season and are outscoring Keegan’s Newcastle from the year the league title seemed destined for the north-east.

At the same time, any defence of Mourinho would have to accept that his behaviour has been wearing thin for some time now and, knowing the nature of the beast, that it is likely to get even more tiring as long as United are consigned to a game of catch-up and there is hard evidence he has lost his personal battle with Pep Guardiola.



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Where has the happy, charming José Mourinho gone? Photograph: Dominic Lipinski/PA
No doubt it is all linked to the reasons why we see so little of the old Mourinho these days and the man who returned to England for his second spell at Chelsea calling himself “the Happy One”. Where has that Mourinho gone these last few years? There was once a time, particularly in his first spell at Stamford Bridge, when a press conference with the Portuguese was one of the week’s highlights and, at his very best, he often gave the impression he could charm the birds down from the eaves. These days, he seems so embittered, so joyless, brooding over everything, storing up his make-believe grievances, staring back through suspicious eyes.

It was there again before the Manchester derby with his sour and apparently premeditated remarks about Guardiola having the temerity to wear a yellow ribbon in support of Jordi Sànchez and Jordi Cuixart for their jailing, under suspicion of sedition, as key members of the Catalan independence movement. Mourinho just made himself look small-minded and solipsistic with those comments, and hypocritical, in the extreme, with his follow-up remarks about City’s tactical fouling and alleged diving. He might actually have the semblance of a point but he is taking us for fools if he expects us to forget he is the guy, if this were a game of snooker, who would be standing behind the pocket, chalking his cue and coughing every time his opponent had a shot.

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As for what happened after that game, Mourinho’s proclamations that the blame should be heaped exclusively on the players of Manchester City is just the latest occasion when he has brought to mind an old quote from Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, the former president of France. “Jacques Chirac,” he said, “could have his mouth full of jam, his lips can be dripping with the stuff, his fingers covered with it, the pot can be standing open in front of him. And when you ask him if he’s a jam‑eater, he’ll say: ‘Me eat jam? Never.’”

Ultimately, though, the point remains that Mourinho, no matter how sticky his fingers, would be getting a lot more slack were it not for the fact that Guardiola has put together such a beautiful body of work just a couple of miles away. Mourinho has been here before with Guardiola’s Barcelona but this time it may be an even bigger challenge. United, unlike Real Madrid, do not have Cristiano Ronaldo to help restore some balance.


José Mourinho is having to tackle his biggest challenge as a manager | Daniel Taylor

 

[Walas Ba]

Dah nashukuru nimefanikiwa kusoma comment zooote...walioweka pumba nawaachia

 

[kayeke]

tulichemsha sana kufungwa na City,11 points ni nyingi sana!lakini ndio kwanza tupo nusu msimu tusihofu!!

Mkichukuwa kombe mwaka huu Guard anastafu soka.

 

[kayeke]

Kidogo kidogo naanza kupoteza matumaini ya ubingwa

Mkuu kidogo tena!! Guardiola akishindwa mwaka huu. Anastafu soka.

 

[kayeke]

EPL huwa ina maeneo yake ya timu iliyoko kileleni kuanguka

December-wakati wa mechi nyingi,hili inaonekana City kalipita tayari ama kashafaulu kwa asilimia nyingi

Xmas na Mwaka Mpya-hapa pana mtego mbaya sana wa timu kupoteza points,wachezaji wanawaza sana kuwa na familia zao kipindi hiki lakini kunakuwa na game ngumu katika tofauti ya muda mfupi tu

January-Machi wakati ambapo wachezaji wanapata ile kitu inaitwa fatique baada ya kuwa wametumika ipasavyo sehemu kubwa ya msimu...hapa ndio utaona watu kama De bruyne hawachezi tena kiwango chao mpaka wapate refreshment

May yenyewe ambapo timu nzuri zinakuwa na mashindano mengi magumu wakiwa karibu kuchukua ubingwa yaani hatua za juu zaidi.

City akipita majaribu hayo ndio atabeba kombe la EPL

Vinginevyo nashauri tujikite katika kuwaza timu yetu na sio kuangalia City anafanya nini

Kwani team yenu haitacheza kwa kipindi hiki? Hayo mashindano mengi haishiriki? Nauliza mkuu.

 

[xYz07]

asante kiongozi,hapo utaona Man United inafanya vyema zaidi kuliko Mwaka jana,kwa point hizi 41 msimu jana tungekuwa tumepitwa na anayeongoza ligi kwa point 5 tu ukilinganisha na sasa 11,na msimu juzi tungekuwa tunamuongoza leicester aliyekuwa na point 38!Hoja yangu kuwa timu inafanya vizuri sana kwa rekodi za epl isipokuwa ni elite status aliyonayo Man City this time around ndio inatusumbua inasapotiwa na data hizi.

Ni moja kati ya watu wachache sana humu jukwaani wanaoona kuna progress, achana na wapiga kelele wao kila kitu kumlaumu José, hawaoni hata kama kuna step imepigwa tofauti na LvG na moyes walivokua wametuharibia timu.

 

[xYz07]

A reminder that:

1) 'Park the bus' Manchester United have scored more goals than 'best attacking team' Liverpool.

2) Rashford has the same number of assists as Hazard and Fabregas combined.

3) Lukaku has the same number of goals as Lacazette, Özil and Sanchez combined.

 

[ZVI ZAMIR]

Ni moja kati ya watu wachache sana humu jukwaani wanaoona kuna progress, achana na wapiga kelele wao kila kitu kumlaumu José, hawaoni hata kama kuna step imepigwa tofauti na LvG na moyes walivokua wametuharibia timu.

José, atleast kaifanya timu inakuwa inaogopeka , hata takwimu zake hazidanganyi ..

 

[xYz07]

The moment which ensured RvP's entry into football's and Manchester United's history books and confirmed Arsenal's status as a perennial banter club.

 

[RRONDO]

A reminder that:

1) 'Park the bus' Manchester United have scored more goals than 'best attacking team' Liverpool.

2) Rashford has the same number of assists as Hazard and Fabregas combined.

3) Lukaku has the same number of goals as Lacazette, Özil and Sanchez combined.

You must be joking...

 

[xYz07]

You must be joking...

Scouser 38 goals so far and united 39 goals

Rashford has 5 assist, (hazard has 2 and Fabregas has 3)

 

[RRONDO]

Scouser 38 goals so far and united 39 goals

Rashford has 5 assist, (hazard has 2 and Fabregas has 3)

Duh ila tunaambiwa Mou ana-park bus...

 

[Belo]

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Mata amepewa nafasi na anaitumia vizuri kuanzia game against City contribution yake kwenye timu imeonekana

 

[Belo]

asante kiongozi,hapo utaona Man United inafanya vyema zaidi kuliko Mwaka jana,kwa point hizi 41 msimu jana tungekuwa tumepitwa na anayeongoza ligi kwa point 5 tu ukilinganisha na sasa 11,na msimu juzi tungekuwa tunamuongoza leicester aliyekuwa na point 38!Hoja yangu kuwa timu inafanya vizuri sana kwa rekodi za epl isipokuwa ni elite status aliyonayo Man City this time around ndio inatusumbua inasapotiwa na data hizi.

Pia kuna improvement kubwa kwa individual players (Jones,Young,Fellaini,Rashford,Martial,Lingard) huu unaweza ukawa msimu wao bora

 

[ze-dudu]

 

[ze-dudu]