Lissu awajibu wanaopinga TLS kumshitaki Makonda

[getrusa]

Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.

So what??? Then. Will the on ua province benefit by what u will be dealing with?! Ua no more the Tundu Antipas Lissu we use to know.

 

[alberaps]

Stupid ideas so to speak, Tundu Lisu himself is Criminal, he has bein accused several times and he still attends court every day, so why Makonda Rc of Dsm, and why nit not Mbowe a form six faluire ? How a form six faikure be allowed to lead a biggest political org.? Tundu Lisu is a deases.

Ndugu andika kiswahili tu. Ngumbaru na hiyo lugha Hapo Juu mbali mbalu

 

[dyuteromaikota]

Stupid ideas so to speak, Tundu Lisu himself is Criminal, he has bein accused several times and he still attends court every day, so why Makonda Rc of Dsm, and why nit not Mbowe a form six faluire ? How a form six faikure be allowed to lead a biggest political org.? Tundu Lisu is a deases.

U can also go for Mbowe. He chose the rc.

 

[ngalakeri]

Come what may, if u can't try shut up ur mouth, leave for those who dare trying. Bashite must go.

 

[Bowie]

N

Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.

no any criminal is above the law .Appropriate action should be taken.

 

[obseva]

I am sceptic if the impetus to sue RC Makonda will bear any result. And I thought that Tundu Lissu has a lot to do than making noises on the issue which has no ultimate benefits to Tanzanians. That said, he should remember to serve his people in his constituency, lest he looses it

I think that is not right sir, the issue is treating all Tanzanian equal to the eyes of the law, if a teacher can be quilt for falsification case why not RC?, do you want to tell us they are classes of people in Tanzania who are above the law on basis that they are politician?

 

[Waterloo]

- Yaani una debate na Kenge na wewe ni binadam? duh!

le Mutuz

Ooh its just harsh words/ language. I didn't mean it brother.

 

[Sangarara]

Just like Makonda's so called war on drugs....I don't see this going anywhere.

For one, it's hard to shake off the accusation that going after him like that isn't politically motivated.

Two, I don't think Tundu Lisu can prove that Paul Makonda is not Paul Makonda but rather he is Daudi Bashite.

So this whole going after him thing is a big 'ol dog and pony show that will yield nothing in the end.

It is just gimmickry that will score a few political popularity points for CHADEMA [yes...TLS is now an auxiliary wing of CDM].

Tundu lissu has already declared his awareness over some of you interpreting their move being of political motive, unless you didn't bother to read his full presentation, He has put it at the very beginning of his writings where He further asks you, SO WHAT?

 

[Chesty]

Jamani HIV huyu lisu anataka kufungwa kwa uongo? Mfano jamaa akasema hana hicho cheti cha Form four na ana cha LA saba? Itakuwa je

Hicho cheti cha la saba kina bear jina gani...kama ni Albert then he is done and dusted kwa sababu now he is Makonda.

 

[Nilufer]

You'll be logical clearly to your point if at least you understand the roles of TLS. It doesn't make sense by saying politics interferes while the motion is total different from politics. This is legal battle my brother.

Actually lisu has shown weaknesses earlier because everything done by the government is criticised by him while surely it was not supposed to be criticised by him as president of TLS. How the government then an it benefit from TLS if everything done by it seems to be irritating according to TLS led by tundu lisu?

 

[whizkid]

Stupid ideas so to speak, Tundu Lisu himself is Criminal, he has bein accused several times and he still attends court every day, so why Makonda Rc of Dsm, and why nit not Mbowe a form six faluire ? How a form six faikure be allowed to lead a biggest political org.? Tundu Lisu is a deases.

I am not sure if being a failure in class is the issue here. Our constituion does not bar failures from chairing political parties or holding public office. And yes, we have plenty of failures currently holding public office. Unless, you tell us that Mbowe is misrepresenting himself in terms of his education and identity, and that he has broken any law while excecuting his duties as the party chairman, MP and/or any other positions he currently hold. You cannot equate DAB and Mbowe in this one. Sorry.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Tundu lissu has already declared his awareness over some of you interpreting their move being of political motive, unless you didn't bother to read his full presentation, He has put it at the very beginning of his writings where He further asks you, SO WHAT?

So what??

So it means the whole thing is just a gimmick because it won't amount to anything as far as Paul Makonda is concerned.

 

[adolay]

Kaazi kweli kweli

- Walimu kufukuzwa kwa vyeti feki sawa

- Manesi kufukuzwa kwa vyeti feki sawa

- Madakitari kufukuzwa kwa vyeti feki sawa

- Madreva kufukuzwa kwa vyeti feki sawa

Wanasiasa hapana.....ikiongelewa wao wako juu ya sheria. Propaganda zinashika hatam eti tusichanganye vyeti feki na siasa...... pumbafu, hivi feki kwa mkurugenzi sio feki kwa mkuu wa mkowa? Yaani bosi kilaza anasimamia wasomi! Anaongoza wasomi no wonder tuko maskini kiasi hiki.

Taifa hili la wajinga kabisa sheria zikitungwa nikwa vilaza tu basi lakini akina Makonda wapo juu ya sheria....upumbavu uliokomaa

 

[MTS]

Meaning he is associating TLS with politics?

That's very low on TL to associate a professional body with politics, its disgracing the TLS and none (even a layman) should support it.

Guys invasion of Clouds media by RC Makonda (bashite) isn't politics, as far as i know TLS is highly concerned to seek rights on behalf of victim (clouds group) and Tanzanians as whole. Responsible bodies being quiet implies some people a' above the law, go TLS, go lisu, show tanzanians that they're equal under the low for govern and governed

 

[kampelewele]

Tundu Lissu, with due respect, you are not more equal than others but you are worse than a devil with little than being close to sanity.

You are selfishly using, as you have plainly put it, your status or political position to character assasinate individuals whom you perceive to outshine you.

You are known to carry out personal vendetta to achieve your political aspirations. Now you want to use TLS a platform for the same.

REFLECT UPON YOUR EGO.

Ingawa mimi si mwanasheria na sijui kiingereza lakini nadhani TLS wanataka kutusaidia.

Gwajima alitoa hoja kuwa ndugu yake cocochanel alifoji cheti cha form four ili aingie nyegezi. Huyo ndugu alikaa kimya na kwa kawaida ukikaa kimya maana yake ni kukubali mashitaka (au siyo waungwana?). Mkuu wa nchi anasema yeyote aliyefoji cheti lazima aondoke katika utumishi wa umma kabla ya tarehe 15 May la sivyo kifungo cha miaka 7. Sie walalahoi tunabaki tunajiuliza je, kiongozi yule alifoji au la. TLS inataka kutusaidia ili tujue ukweli ili maisha yasonge mbele. Ukumbuke si salama kuwa na kiongozi ambaye anatuhumiwa maana mtu hasomi shule gizani. Naomba kuwasilisha

 

[Sangarara]

So what??

So it means the whole thing is just a gimmick because it won't amount to anything as far as Paul Makonda is concerned.

Had Makonda been tried at any time back and found not guilty of the issues TLS want to present to the court? Is there any precedence in record to support your thinking?

 

[cocochanel]

Msamehe Mkuu
Huyu ni sawa na zile hesabu za Set Mkuu..
Ni SET TUPU.. Kichwani Empty cocochanel

Umefurahia kunitag

Ha ha ha haaaaaaa

Mtanyooka tu

 

[Sangarara]

Guys invasion of Clouds media by RC Makonda (bashite) isn't politics, as far as i know TLS is highly concerned to seek rights on behalf of victim (clouds group) and Tanzanians as whole. Responsible bodies being quiet implies some people a' above the law, go TLS, go lisu, show tanzanians that they're equal under the low for govern and governed

But why hasn't clouds Media sought legal intervention in person?

 

[titimunda]

Ha ha ha haaaa

Yale yale kama anajiamini angesubiri huko anapotaka kwenda kufungua kesi, hamna kitu kipya hapo zaidi ya kuisoma namba.

Yaani ni kama hatuna Raisi, imefika muda hili jambo litanyoosha hawa viongozi wanaoshika vyeo na kutaka kutanua kwa kula pesa za wananchi ovyo na kuvunja sheria.

Kideo cha jana kasema mwenyewe kuwa awaku hii ni moto moto kwao.

Angelaa kimya tu, kuliko kuandika ambacho hata akijaleta jipya. Hapa aiseeeeeee inasikitisha

Kweli Magufuli ni Kiongozi aliyeletwa na Mungu.

Lori hiloooooo linapita kwa kasi

Hapa kazi tu

Makonda oyeeeee

Naona unatumia uhuru wako wa kutoa maoni,angalizo, leave god out of this.

 

[YEHODAYA]

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