Kagoda Agriculture Ltd: Another BOT scandal

Mama said:
you are not serious at all. Haya angalia haba kurefresh mind yako https://www.jamiiforums.com/jukwaa-la-siasa/20767-habari-njema-je-mnayajua-haya-3.html
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Haha haha haha

Hiyo mbona tayari nimepeleka swali bungeni. Nilidhani unasemea Kamati ya Bomani. Hizi nyingine ni kazi za kila siku na wala hazizuii kufanya kazi nyingine. Tumetumwa Bungeni kufanya kazi hizi. Na JF inasaidia sana kupata taarifa.

Point ya msingi katika mambo makubwa kama haya ya KAGODA ni rahisi sana kupoteza watu maboya. Ninarudia, Lowasa hahusiki moja kwa moja na KAGODA. Labda wanaofloat jina lake hapa wana ajenda fulani ambayo ninaamini ni kutuzuga.

Ninadhani what i have ni kamili. Ninaamini ni 100%!
 


Kuhani by state sponsored corruption i meant deal lilisukwa na wakuu kadhaa na kulibariki kwa sababu maalumu. Sina maana ya zile sababu za Balali "fedha za usalama' hapana. Utakuwa umeelewa vibaya.

State sponsored corruption is different from 'using state to cover' NO. It means state allowed the deal.

Umeelewa vibaya kabisa kabisa! Ndio maana umenituhumu mambo ya ajabu kweli. Hata hivyo, sijatilia maanani.
 

Asante kaka, labda kina Kuhani wataelewa
 
Zitto said:
State sponsored corruption is different from 'using state to cover' NO. It means state allowed the deal.
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Who is the state who allowed the deal!? Zitto, hakuna state iliyoruhusu EPA deal hawa ni watu ambao ni wezi tu ambao kwa namna moja au nyingine wamenufaika na wizi mkubwa wa EPA ili kujitajirisha wao, familia zao na marafiki zao. Hili swala la state kuruhusu hiyo deal halipo kabisa.
 

Politics as usual..Nimeuliza swali uka ignore...Kuhani amekulima swali lile lile na bado unakwepa kisiasa.
Mfano niliotowa kuhusiana na kauli ya usalama wa Taifa ni similar in terms of ambiguity.
Unaposema state allowed the deal na huku ukisema Lowassa hakuwakilisha state bali chama ndipo naposhindwa kuelewa.
Kwenye execution ya hiyo deal si ni lazima kuna procedures za ku approve?
Unapothubutu kusema EL hakuhusika hata kidogo yeye binafsi una maana gani?
Kuna ubinafsi na u state hapo na sielewi vigezo vyako vya kumetetea EL na kumpakazia huyo state peke yake.
 

Who is the state? Watu
 
Zitto said:
Maoni yangu binafsi tu hayo
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Thanks hon. Zitto.
If that is the case; is it true that the national security has no interest with Tanzania - the country they swore to die for defending intelligently. Does it mean what they do is what we see them doing? Protecting the highly ranked officials, speeding their vehicles, etc. I suspect they should also speed the life of those interfere with citizens interests and treasures. And seeing that Tanzanians are not lied to, denied the truth, living in extreme poverty, and devicing means to tackle the poverty intelligently rather than the conventional means.

BUT all in all a secret service must be working hard to sort out the names and doing all it can to restore the stolen treasures from BOT and from Tanzanians in general.

To the best of knowledge and comprehension if such a high ranking official steal our treasure while we stay in deep poverty then a death penalty here would be a great idea as it is a capital mistake for it denied privileges to Tanzanians. It should be taken equal to treason.
 

The buck stops with highest office lakini hiyo ni political move...Kwasababu Rumsfeld alipojiuzulu Bush bado alikuwa madarakani lakini haina maana kuwa kujiuzulu kwa Rumsfeld ndiko kumemwondowa kwenye tuhuma maamuzi mabaya yaliyopeleka Taifa kuingia kwenye vita visivyokuwa vya lazima.
Tukitumia siasa basi tutasema tu tusubiri uchaguzi wa 2010 na JK asichaguliwe...Hapa tunapozungumzia accountability ni tofauti..Tunataka tuone all the evidence na ndani yake tutakuta wahusika walikiuka taratibu za nchi na si mambo ya binafsi ama sijui kauli za state.
 


Sitaki kuwa mtetezi wa Lowasa hapa maana siwezi kufanya hivyo. Nilikuwa naweka facts sawa ili tusiyumbishwe wakati tumeshawaround wezi wetu.

KAGODA took money from BOT between August 1st and December 14th 2005. EL became PM December 30 2005.

Kipindi hicho hapakuwa na 'substantive PM' hivyo hata Sumaye hayumo katika state hiyo ninayoisema. Watu 4 wanajua KAGODA - watajulikana soon. Watapelekwa mahakamani, mimi sijui.
 
Jamani, ni mmoja tu ndiye anayejibu madukuduku yetu kwenye thread hii... na ndiyo huyu huyu mmoja tunayemtaka ajibu kila swali katika muda tunaoonekana kumpangia... Hapana, tuwe na subira jamani pale anapoonekana kuchelewa.
 
Zitto said:
Who is the state? Watu
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Watu hawa wamenufaika sana kwa wizi wa EPA na Watanzania tunachotaka kukiona wanafikishwa mahakamani kujibu tuhuma nzito dhidi yao na wakionekana wana hatia wapewe adhabu nzito na kufilisiwa bila kuogopa vyeo vyao ndani chama au serikali ili kukomesha hizi tabia za wanaojiita viongozi ambao hutumia madaraka yao kufanya ufisadi dhidi ya Watanzania ambao unadumaza maendeleo ya nchi yetu miaka nenda miaka rudi.
 
SteveD said:
Jamani, ni mmoja tu ndiye anayejibu madukuduku yetu kwenye thread hii... na ndiyo huyu huyu mmoja tunayemtaka ajibu kila swali katika muda tunaoonekana kumpangia... Hapana, tuwe na subira jamani pale anapoonekana kuchelewa.
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SteveD, tunafurahia sana kuwa naye hapa pamoja na kuwa ana majukumu chungu nzima, tungependa pia wengine wajumuike nasi kujadili mambo mbali mbali kuhusu nchi yetu, lakini wanachungulia kwa mbali. Akiondoka leo labda anaweza asionekane tena kwa wiki kadhaa 😉 Hivyo wacha leo tumtwange na maswali maana hatujui tutamuona tena hapa ukumbini lini. We appreciate his participation.
 

Tunashukuru kwa taarifa hizo...Hao watu wanne tunawasubiri kwa hamu sana..Lakini kama pesa ziliwafikia kwa namna moja ama nyingine then still wako responsible..Kwasababu kama nilivyoelewa hapo juu ni kwamba watuhumiwa hao walitumia loop hole hapo kwasababu sasa wanataka kusema kulikuwa hakuna utawala kwa kipindi hicho cha august 1st na december 14th....Kwasababu kulikuwa hakuna waziri mkuu..Sumaye anasema yeye hakuwa state na El ana claim the same..Kama vile walijuwa watakavyojitetea...Kagoda ni mradi mkubwa na maelezo na malengo yake ni mazuri ila hao state ndio wameharibu na wamekula pesa nyingi sana...Sasa ina maana hatuna sheria zinazo govern transition period na who is responsible?

Maana dili hili na mengineyo yalivyokuwa ya kimafia si nasikia hata wakati wa holiday ndiyo mambo mengi yalifanyika ili kukwepa rekodi sahihi?

Haya tusubiri hao watu wanne ambao wanajuwa Kagoda kwasababu lazima kuna mtu aliye act on behalf of either prime ministers...Nadhani EL alikuwa hajakabidhiwa ofisi na umesema Sumaye alikuwa si state tena...Hao watu wanaodaiwa kuwa ni state walipitisha maamuzi hayo ndiyo tunawataka....Je ni kina nani hao wali act on behalf of the state kwenye transition period? Na wali act on behalf of the previous administration of the current one?

Kiutaratibu utawala uliokuwepo kabla ya kuapishwa na kusimikwa kwa utawala mpya ndio ambao bado wanakuwa responsible...Hata hapa US Obama bado ni president elect tu na anything happens Kichaka bado ni responsible..Vipi kuhusu sisi?
Kwasababu bado sijaelewa nani yuko responsible wakati ambapo hakuna "Substantive" Prime minister.
 

Sitajibu baada ya hapo. Inatosha sana kwa leo.
 

Kudos JMushi kwa kumention hapo juu mkuu.
 
Zitto said:

Sitaki kuwa mtetezi wa Lowasa hapa maana siwezi kufanya hivyo.
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Come on Zitto, come on!!

Hii hapa chini ni very compelling closing argument ya public attorney wa Lowassa, Zitto Kabwe.

 
Kuhani said:
Come on Zitto, come on!

Hii hapa chini ni very compelling closing argument ya public attorney wa Lowassa, Zitto Kabwe.
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Ha ha ha ha! Does it sound so?

Wasnt the intention. Couldnt even imagine
 
SteveD said:
Kudos JMushi kwa kumention hapo juu mkuu.
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During that time Mkapa was the Head of State, it was not a transition period. In real sense we do not have transition period as you have in the US. Hii ni Afrika nzima karibia. Uliona Kenya au Zambia au Zimbabwe? Tanzania ni hivyo hivyo
 
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