Dr. Kitila ampa tabu Thabo Mbeki

Dr. Kitila ampa tabu Thabo Mbeki

Sir, you are still evading the question: Why is there more AIDS in a poor continent (Africa) than in a rich continents (North America/Europe)?

Excerpt from Thabo Mbeki's 'infamous' Letter:

It is obvious that whatever lessons we have to and may draw from the West about the grave issue of HIV-AIDS, a simple superimposition of Western experience on African reality would be absurd and illogical.


Such proceeding would constitute a criminal betrayal of our responsibility to our own people. It was for this reason that I spoke as I did in our parliament, in the manner in which I have indicated.


I am convinced that our urgent task is to respond to the specific threat that faces us as Africans. We will not eschew this obligation in favour of the comfort of the recitation of a catechism that may very well be a correst response to the specific manifestation of AIDS in the West.


We will not, ourselves, condemn our own people to death by giving up the search for specific and targeted responses to the specifically African incidence of HIV-AIDS.


I make these comments because our search for these specific and targeted responses is being stridently condemned by some in our country and the rest of the world as constituting a criminal abandonment of the fight against HIV-AIDS.

Some elements of this orchestrated campaign of condemnation worry me very deeply.


It is suggested, for instance, that there are some scientists who are 'dangerous and discredited' with whom nobody, including ourselves, should communicate or interact.


In an earlier period in human history, these would be heretics that would be burnt at the stake!


Not long ago, in our own country, people were killed, tortured, imprisoned and prohibited from being quoted in private and in public because the established authority believed that their views were dangerous and discredited.


We are now being asked to do precisely the same thing that the racist apartheid tyranny we opposed did, because, it is said, there exists a scientific view that is supported by the majority, against which dissent is prohibited.


The scientists we are supposed to put into scientific quarantine include Nobel Prize Winners, Members of Academies of Science and Emeritus Professors of various disciplines of medicine!


Scientists, in the name of science, are demanding that we should cooperate with them to freeze scientific discourse on HIV-AIDS at the specific point this discourse had reached in the West in 1984.


People who otherwise would fight very hard to defend the critically important rights of freedom of thought and speech occupy, with regard to the HIV-AIDS issue, the frontline in the campaign of intellectual intimidation and terrorism which argues that the only freedom we have is to agree with what they decree to be established scientific truths.


Some agitate for these extraordinary propositions with a religious fervour born by a degree of fanaticism, which is truly frightening.


The day may not be far off when we will, once again, see books burnt and their authors immolated by fire by those who believe that they have a duty to conduct a holy crusade against the infidels.


It is most strange that all of us seem ready to serve the cause of the fanatics by deciding to stand and wait.


It may be that these comments are extravagant. If they are, it is because in the very recent past, we had to fix our own eyes on the very face of tyranny.

HIV & AIDS - Letter president Mbeki concerning AIDS in Africa

Mbeki risks annointing himself the saint of hyperbole and polarization scapegoating.
 
good question, hayo ndio maswali yanayotakiwa kuulizwa wanasiasa. Waandishi wengi wa Ulaya na marekani wanauliza maswali kwa data walizokusanya. Dr Mkumbo amedhihilisha umahili wake na shule aliyokwenda kupata PhD. good

Hili swali halikuhitaji Ph.D.

Mtu yeyote anayesoma magazeti tu angeweza kuuliza. It's not like swali kaulizwa Parelman na limezama katika solution ya Poincare's Conjecture.
 
Mjadala ulikuwa ni kuhusu 'African leadership'.

Na yeye alikuwa kiongozi huko kwao. Moja ya mambo yatakayokumbukwa wakati wa uongozi wake ni hilo la kukataa/kuhoji uhusiano kati ya HIV na AIDS.

How asking a question about it is seen as annoying is beyond me.

Perhaps it is annoying because such a stance is untenable. If that is the case, just say 'mea culpa' and people will move on.

Other than that, that question will dog him until his last breath.

Put it this way you get to meet a successful business man, yourself as a struggling businessman (in one of those rare occasions), do you use that chance to ask him about better ways of improving your business and what tips to take in trying to move your business forward.

Or you gamble by annoying him by his past non ethical practices in business.

Look at it in terms of opportunity lost (to you).

Usiku mwema.
 
Because of lack of education.
Because of lack of resources and or their proper distribution, and a whole heap of issues.

But, as poor as you can be, can you get AIDS without HIV?

Did Mbeki ever say you can get AIDS without HIV?

The pinching question remains: Why does HIV - and AIDS - thrive more in a continent that is relatively more poor and disease-infested?

PS. Does Magic Johnson have AIDS - or just HIV?
 
Put it this way you get to meet a successful business man, yourself as a struggling businessman (in one of those rare occasions), do you use that chance to ask him about better ways of improving your business and what tips to take in trying to move your business forward.

Or you gamble by annoying him by his past non ethical practices in business.

Look at it in terms of opportunity lost (to you).

Usiku mwema.

It depends I meet him on what setting.

Mbeki was at a breakfast roundtable that discussed the role of African leadership in determining the future of the continent.

Kitila's question was pertinent in every way.
 
Put it this way you get to meet a successful business man, yourself as a struggling businessman (in one of those rare occasions), do you use that chance to ask him about better ways of improving your business and what tips to take in trying to move your business forward.

Or you gamble by annoying him by his past non ethical practices in business.

Look at it in terms of opportunity lost (to you).

Usiku mwema.

Goes to prove my "strongman" theory.

Sasa huyu Mbeki aliyeshindwa kuongoza nchi ya chama chenye nguvu kama ANC unamuona ana mafanikio gani?

Mbeki ni failure, na swali hili linathibitisha. Kashindwa hata kujibu.
 
Did Mbeki ever say you can get AIDS without HIV?

The pinching question remains: Why does HIV - and AIDS - thrive more in a continent that is relatively more poor and disease-infested?

PS. Does Magic Johnson have AIDS - or just HIV?

Part of the answer is because so called leaders like Mbeki consider African lives expendable, in the process giving them some local concoctions instead of scientifically tested drugs (that was an especially telling low point) and subsequently increasing infection and the prevalence rate.
 
Part of the answer is because so called leaders like Mbeki consider African lives expendable, in the process giving them some local concoctions instead of scientifically tested drugs (that was an especially telling low point) and subsequently increasing infection and the prevalence rate.

Part of the answer? What an ironic vindication of Mbeki's call to seek a full answer instead of dwelling in conventional, albeit partial answers!
 
Hili swali halikuhitaji Ph.D.

Mtu yeyote anayesoma magazeti tu angeweza kuuliza. It's not like swali kaulizwa Parelman na limezama katika solution ya Poincare's Conjecture.
what is your argument now?
 
Ukiwa dissident na/au ahead of your time ni vigumu sana watu kukuelewa na kukubali, wanakuja kukukumbuka baadaye re: Nyerere na Miiko ya Uongozi katika Azimio, Elimu ya Bure n.k.
 
Part of the answer? What an ironic vindication of Mbeki's call to seek a full answer instead of dwelling in conventional, albeit partial answers!

But you are not going to solve a problem by refuting the part of the answer that is known simply because you do not have 100% of the answer, surely not, no?

I thought we went through this the other day discussing the convergent nature of science.

If you want 100% answers you would not be able to count, because even number theory is debatable and can be argued to be only "part of the answer".

Are you going to refuse to use pi to the 7th decimal place if it's paractical enough to build a house only because it's not a "full answer" and it's only "part of answer"?

Whither prudence?

It is this very same intellectual hubris and floating heads in the utopian ivory towers that cultivates a dangerous elitism that is the drug of the Mbekis of this world and the poison of the African masses , the mlala hoi-polloi.
 
Ukiwa dissident na/au ahead of your time ni vigumu sana watu kukuelewa na kukubali, wanakuja kukukumbuka baadaye re: Nyerere na Miiko ya Uongozi katika Azimio, Elimu ya Bure n.k.

Kumbuka na sie pia tunaweza kusema sio tu ni ma dissident, bali ma dissident's dissident.

You don't want to be a dissident for the sake of being a dissident.You want to have substance to base your dissidence on.

Mbeki's "dissidence" is rooted in political expediency and baseless age old polarization. The youth of Africa deserve better than that.

"Ndiyo Mzee" is dead and gone. Ukichemsha vijana wako mwenyewe watakuuliza maswali ya kukuumbua.
 
Are you going to refuse to use pi to the 7th decimal place if it's paractical enough to build a house only because it's not a "full answer" and it's only "part of answer"?

If the HIV analogy to pi is practical enough how come the poor continent has more AIDS than the rich continents though we are practically doing what the rich have been doing - practicing ABCs and/or using ARVs?

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If the HIV analogy to pi is practical enough how come the poor continent has more AIDS than the rich continents though we are practically doing what the rich have been doing - practicing ABCs and/or using ARVs?

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Umesikia jana rates zimeanza kushuka katika nchi zilizokuwa na highest prevalence?

http://allafrica.com/stories/201211220628.html

Hata zisingeshuka, with viongozi kama kina Mbeki na Kikwete ambao basically wana encourage watu waende kwa babu wa Loliondo na Sangoma, na populations kama zetu surely you can't say we have been doing everything and practicing ABC?

Wabongo wana practice ABC?
 
Kumbuka na sie pia tunaweza kusema sio tu ni ma dissident, bali ma dissident's dissident.

You don't want to be a dissident for the sake of being a dissident.You want to have substance to base your dissidence on.

Mbeki's "dissidence" is rooted in political expediency and baseless age old polarization. The youth of Africa deserve better than that.

"Ndiyo Mzee" is dead and gone. Ukichemsha vijana wako mwenyewe watakuuliza maswali ya kukuumbua.

Hizo ni tautologies tu - abracadabra na somersaults - za conventionalists masquerading as dissidents' dissidents!

Politicization of science has led conventionalist champions of singularity and convergence to shun, nay, vilify dissidents!

Remember Galileo!
 
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