Dr. Kitila ampa tabu Thabo Mbeki

[Janjaweed]

Gongolamboto, unaleta siasa. Nipo kwenye field hii kwa muda mrefu sasa. Mbeki thesis yake imekuwa kwamba hakuna uhusuano kati ya hiv na aids na kwa hivyo akadai kwamba arvs ni sumu, ndio maana akaweka kizingiti hizi dawa zisiingie nchini mwake. Haya mambo yapo wazi hata kwa google tu. Soma acha uvivu!

Kitila my bro

You had the best question of the day

Mbeki hawezi kuchomoka hii stupidity yake

lazima tuwambie ukweli viongozi wetu waliokosea

 

[Companero]

the convergent arrow of science.

and what does that convergent arrow of science say about the poor continent having more aids/hiv than the rich continent(s)?

 

[Companero]

ala mbeki: is hiv the one and only cause of an acquired immune deficiency syndrome (aids) - or it is merely a main cause if not one of the main causes?

 

[chama]

swali lake ni relevant mno

you just dont know impact ya mbeki kudharau ukimwi kwa nchi kama swaziland, lesotho na botswana

Kitila hit the nail in the head

BTW, Kitila is my secondary school class mate sio Dr. Wangu

he did the right question

myopia yako itakuua

Kitila kama class mate poa tu ila alichouliza hakina mantiki yoyote kwa wakati huu; suala AIDS si la mtu mmoja yapo mambo mengi yamechangia; kutapakaa kwa AIDS Afrika kusini kumechangiwa na mambo mengi sana na yapo wazi. Swali alilouliza ni la kiwango cha nchini sana kama alikuwa hana cha kuuliza angenyamaza tu.

Chama
Gongo la mboto DSM

 

[Ritz]

Eti Na wewe ni Jembe la CCM online. Yaani wewe ni Bonge la Pimbi maana ungesoma Post ya Kitila Mkumbo usingeuliza huu Ushuzi wako

" Ritz ni Jembe la CCM Online " by Mutuz Le Baharia, Big Show 23/11/2012

Mbona unataka kuchafua mjadala, kweli mzimu wa Ritz, unakutafuna kweli...wewe niite utakavyo mie sina tatizo mkuu, ujinga wako ndio faida kwangu sijui kama unalijua hilo.

 

[Kiranga]

and what does that convergent arrow of science say about the poor continent having more aids/hiv than the rich continent(s)?

Even if you were to successfully argue that poverty and lack of education contributes a lot to conditions leading to the prevalence of HIV/AIDS, you cannot argue that HIV is not causing AIDS.

Mbeki lost the support of many a prudent africans not because he was fighting against big pharma and marginalization. Heck, I would support him in that fight.

He lost because he was not honest enough to admit that he was not prioritizing HIV/AIDS because he was dumbfounded like a deer facing headlights by the question of opportunity cost, and he finally decided to relegate the lives of HIV infected South Africans as expendable.

 

[Fidel80]

Matajiri hawafi kwa ukimwi kumbe

 

[Eric Cartman]

Wakati mwingine kuna watu ambao kukutana nao au kupata opportunity ya kuwauliza maswali ya msingi ni vigumu sana. hata kama alipayuka juu ya suala la ukimwi, surely there were better questions that could have educated many and gives us a perspective of ANC struggles from one of the inside man.

Maana south afrika kuna struggles nyingi and class battles and how ANC plans to resolve those problems. Was there the need to annoy the guy, kaja kuongea na wasomi hakitegemea maswali yenye mantiki na ambayo yana ambatana na faida za kwetu, ni sawa na kumuuliza zuma akija afrika kuhusu polygamy wakati kuna mengi yenye faida za kwetu.

It was a lost opportunity sometimes we have to learn what are the important current affairs questions. Kuliko ku-dwell on past stupidity of people and their mistakes.

 

[Companero]

Even if you were to successfully argue that poverty and lack of education contributes a lot to conditions leading to the prevalence of HIV/AIDS, you cannot argue that HIV is not causing AIDS.

Mbeki lost the support of many a prudent africans not because he was fighting against big pharma and marginalization. Heck, I would support him in that fight.

He lost because he was not honest enough to admit that he was not prioritizing HIV/AIDS because he was dumbfounded like a deer facing headlights, and finally to relegate the lives of HIV infected South Africans as expendable.

you are evading the question sir - why is the poor continent acquiring immune deficiency syndrome more than the rich continent?only - and simply - because of hiv?

 

[Companero]

Even if you were to successfully argue that poverty and lack of education contributes a lot to conditions leading to the prevalence of HIV/AIDS, you cannot argue that HIV is not causing AIDS.

"The basic problem is that many people don't want to study these questions...They are perfectly happy to repeat what is said to be the conventional wisdom" - Mbeki, BBC News | AFRICA | Mbeki digs in on Aids

 

[Kiranga]

ala mbeki: is hiv the one and only cause of an acquired immune deficiency syndrome (aids) - or it is merely a main cause if not one of the main causes?

For all we care, the question could be on whether Mbeki subscribes to HIV infection through sharing of unsterilized needles by drug addicts.

And it would still prove valid.

It's not about whether HIV is the one and only cause of AIDS ( even though, all hyperboles aside, it is the only cause known to science. I mean be as poor as you can, if you don't have HIV you may develop some other immuno-deficiency, but not AIDS).

So the question is not whether HIV is a major or minor cause of AIDS. All causes of AIDS deserve attention and this reduces the question of whether HIV is a minor or major cause to equivocation.

To someone dying of AIDS and lacking the necessary support, telling him his AIDS is due to a minor cause is of little consolation.

Ni kama kumwambia mtu "Usijali sana, utauawa, lakini utauawa kwa bunduki nzuri sana".

 

[Kiranga]

"The basic problem is that many people don't want to study these questions...They are perfectly happy to repeat what is said to be the conventional wisdom" - Mbeki, BBC News | AFRICA | Mbeki digs in on Aids

Right off the bat

South African President Thabo Mbeki has stood by his controversial view that that the HIV virus (sic) is not the sole cause of Aids.

The question is not whether HIV is the sole cause. Is whether HIV is a cause.

You can argue all you want with academic license about whether ugali wa muhogo wenye funza causes AIDS, but first thing first, what does science say about HIV and AIDS? Does Mbeki agree with that?

 

[Kiranga]

you are evading the question sir - why is the poor continent acquiring immune deficiency syndrome more than the rich continent?only - and simply - because of hiv?

Because of lack of education.
Because of lack of resources and or their proper distribution, and a whole heap of issues.

But, as poor as you can be, can you get AIDS without HIV?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Was there the need to annoy the guy, kaja kuongea na wasomi hakitegemea maswali yenye mantiki na ambayo yana ambatana na faida za kwetu, ni sawa na kumuuliza zuma akija afrika kuhusu polygamy wakati kuna mengi yenye faida za kwetu.

It was a lost opportunity sometimes we have to learn what are the important current affairs questions. Kuliko ku-dwell on past stupidity of people.

Mjadala ulikuwa ni kuhusu 'African leadership'.

Na yeye alikuwa kiongozi huko kwao. Moja ya mambo yatakayokumbukwa wakati wa uongozi wake ni hilo la kukataa/kuhoji uhusiano kati ya HIV na AIDS.

How asking a question about it is seen as annoying is beyond me.

Perhaps it is annoying because such a stance is untenable. If that is the case, just say 'mea culpa' and people will move on.

Other than that, that question will dog him until his last breath.

 

[wauwau]

Kama Kitila alijitambulisha kuwa ni Dr na lectural wa Dsm university, Bw. Mbeki atakuwa amesikitika sana- pinching kwa lugha nyepesi ni assault, attack, stabbing or beating. Pamoja na uelewa wake wa kutojua maswali gani ya kuuliza kwa muda gani, sehemu gani na kwa mtu gani bado nina mashaka na hiyo elimu yake hasa tangua aingie siasa za kupiga watu huko Singida. Utamkumbuishaje mzazi aliyefiwa na mwanae kwa swali la kipuuzi. Tuache ushabiki huyu Kitila inabidi apigwe mawe

 

[Kiranga]

Kama Kitila alijitambulisha kuwa ni Dr na lectural wa Dsm university, Bw. Mbeki atakuwa amesikitika sana- pinching kwa lugha nyepesi ni assault, attack, stabbing or beating. Pamoja na uelewa wake wa kutojua maswali gani ya kuuliza kwa muda gani, sehemu gani na kwa mtu gani bado nina mashaka na hiyo elimu yake hasa tangua aingie siasa za kupiga watu huko Singida. Utamkumbuishaje mzazi aliyefiwa na mwanae kwa swali la kipuuzi. Tuache ushabiki huyu Kitila inabidi apigwe mawe

Kwa nini hili swali halikufaa hapo?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Utamkumbuishaje mzazi aliyefiwa na mwanae kwa swali la kipuuzi.

I thought this was debunked already....

 

[Companero]

For all we care, the question could be on whether Mbeki subscribes to HIV infection through sharing of unsterilized needles by drug addicts.

And it would still prove valid.

It's not about whether HIV is the one and only cause of AIDS ( even though, all hyperboles aside, it is the only cause known to science. I mean be as poor as you can, if you don't have HIV you may develop some other immuno-deficiency, but not AIDS).

So the question is not whether HIV is a major or minor cause of AIDS. All causes of AIDS deserve attention and this reduces the question of whether HIV is a minor or major cause to equivocation.

To someone dying of AIDS and lacking the necessary support, telling him his AIDS is due to a minor cause is of little consolation.

Ni kama kumwambia mtu "Usijali sana, utauawa, lakini utauawa kwa bunduki nzuri sana".

Sir, you are still evading the question: Why is there more AIDS in a poor continent (Africa) than in a rich continents (North America/Europe)?

Excerpt from Thabo Mbeki's 'infamous' Letter:

It is obvious that whatever lessons we have to and may draw from the West about the grave issue of HIV-AIDS, a simple superimposition of Western experience on African reality would be absurd and illogical.


Such proceeding would constitute a criminal betrayal of our responsibility to our own people. It was for this reason that I spoke as I did in our parliament, in the manner in which I have indicated.


I am convinced that our urgent task is to respond to the specific threat that faces us as Africans. We will not eschew this obligation in favour of the comfort of the recitation of a catechism that may very well be a correst response to the specific manifestation of AIDS in the West.


We will not, ourselves, condemn our own people to death by giving up the search for specific and targeted responses to the specifically African incidence of HIV-AIDS.


I make these comments because our search for these specific and targeted responses is being stridently condemned by some in our country and the rest of the world as constituting a criminal abandonment of the fight against HIV-AIDS.

Some elements of this orchestrated campaign of condemnation worry me very deeply.


It is suggested, for instance, that there are some scientists who are 'dangerous and discredited' with whom nobody, including ourselves, should communicate or interact.


In an earlier period in human history, these would be heretics that would be burnt at the stake!


Not long ago, in our own country, people were killed, tortured, imprisoned and prohibited from being quoted in private and in public because the established authority believed that their views were dangerous and discredited.


We are now being asked to do precisely the same thing that the racist apartheid tyranny we opposed did, because, it is said, there exists a scientific view that is supported by the majority, against which dissent is prohibited.


The scientists we are supposed to put into scientific quarantine include Nobel Prize Winners, Members of Academies of Science and Emeritus Professors of various disciplines of medicine!


Scientists, in the name of science, are demanding that we should cooperate with them to freeze scientific discourse on HIV-AIDS at the specific point this discourse had reached in the West in 1984.


People who otherwise would fight very hard to defend the critically important rights of freedom of thought and speech occupy, with regard to the HIV-AIDS issue, the frontline in the campaign of intellectual intimidation and terrorism which argues that the only freedom we have is to agree with what they decree to be established scientific truths.


Some agitate for these extraordinary propositions with a religious fervour born by a degree of fanaticism, which is truly frightening.


The day may not be far off when we will, once again, see books burnt and their authors immolated by fire by those who believe that they have a duty to conduct a holy crusade against the infidels.


It is most strange that all of us seem ready to serve the cause of the fanatics by deciding to stand and wait.


It may be that these comments are extravagant. If they are, it is because in the very recent past, we had to fix our own eyes on the very face of tyranny.

HIV & AIDS - Letter president Mbeki concerning AIDS in Africa

 

[Kiranga]

Mjadala ulikuwa ni kuhusu 'African leadership'.

Na yeye alikuwa kiongozi huko kwao. Moja ya mambo yatakayokumbukwa wakati wa uongozi wake ni hilo la kukataa/kuhoji uhusiano kati ya HIV na AIDS.

How asking a question about it is seen as annoying is beyond me.

Perhaps it is annoying because such a stance is untenable. If that is the case, just say 'mea culpa' and people will move on.

Other than that, that question will dog him until his last breath.

Watu waliolelewa katika utamaduni wa "strongman" hawawezi kuelewa umuhimu wa honest, good natured challenges.

Yaani mtu anauliza ni jinsi gani swali lililoamua fate ya maisha ya mamilioni ya watu lina mantiki.

Inabidi nijiulize kama anaelewa maana ya mantiki kwanza, au anarusharusha tu maneno bila ya kuyaelewa.

 

[Fitinamwiko]

good question, hayo ndio maswali yanayotakiwa kuulizwa wanasiasa. Waandishi wengi wa Ulaya na marekani wanauliza maswali kwa data walizokusanya. Dr Mkumbo amedhihilisha umahili wake na shule aliyokwenda kupata PhD. good