Does everthing happen for specific reason?????

[Eiyer]

Mungu is another one of those myths. Mungu and kudura are two sides of the same myth, which is rooted in ignorance and manipulation. The more humans move away from ignorance, the more kudura and mungu are exposed to be myths.

"Mungu" and "kudura" are two words used widely to sweep under the rug that which we do not understand or do not want to deal with.

I could trace the idea of a false god (or gods) being tolerated and even promoted by a non-believing ruling class back to Cicero, Marcus Aurelius and even earlier Chinese and Egyptian dynasties. Marx was hardly original in observing that religion was the opiate of the people, the Romans had it perfected right up there with the games of Circus Maximus.The educated ruling class did not believe in the Olympian gods, or any gods at all. In fact it was a badge of honor for the senatorial families to be skeptics. This remains to be the case largely up to today, educated societies have learned to accept that god is one big hoax to keep the poor in check and maintain social harmony, that the personal godhead as presented in Abrahamic religions and most other cultures is not actual.

Let's try to understand phenomena, not sweep things under the rug and resign what we do not understand or are too lazy to investigate to "kudura" and "mungu".

Kudura na mungu ni wewe mwenyewe.

Hapa una ya kujibu

Lakini bado kuna "yasiyojulikana" pale uliposema haya:

hatujui cause, inawezekana universe yetu hatujaielewa vizuri, inawezekana causality ime break down huko na kinachoangaliwa ni balance ya matter/antimatter kuliko cause and effect.

Huenda hatutajua!

 

[salimkabora]

I am always open to some education, especially if it involves some lofty and underlying principles of science. So I look forward to your input.



Am aware of this? Do you know how to read? Isn't this what I have been talking about by disputing the unidirectional and absolute nature of time? My entire reason for bringing Einstein in this conversation was to point this out, and you are asking me if I am aware of this? I was writing about tachyons moving back in time on my Geocities page in 1999, after learning about that for a decade. Am I aware?



You are stretching an analogy, a quantum/ subatomic one out of it's proper context. I wrote above how cause and effect are illusions of our scale in the universe, go low enough and everything becomes so probabilistic that time itself, the harbinger of "cause and effect" breaks down, and therefore causality breaks down.This is what I pointed above.

Am I aware?



This is the Doppler effect, the same effect that makes sirens sound distorted. I taught a class about this in 1996.

Am I aware?



Which is what I did by introducing Einstein's theory of relativity, which shows time - the harbinger of cause and effect- as being relative and not absolute, and therefore, cause and effect being an illusion of the large scale universe.

Who is not able to connect theory to real life to explain phenomena now?

Who is not aware now?

If you were aware of the underlying implications of Einstein's relativity you would have seen the point of my post.

You sound like you just copy pasted or reproduced something without understanding it.

You are also a simple fanatic of nothingness because Einstein's equations remains unsolved to date if you teach you simply teach abstraction

 

[salimkabora]

Mungu is another one of those myths. Mungu and kudura are two sides of the same myth, which is rooted in ignorance and manipulation. The more humans move away from ignorance, the more kudura and mungu are exposed to be myths.

"Mungu" and "kudura" are two words used widely to sweep under the rug that which we do not understand or do not want to deal with.

I could trace the idea of a false god (or gods) being tolerated and even promoted by a non-believing ruling class back to Cicero, Marcus Aurelius and even earlier Chinese and Egyptian dynasties. Marx was hardly original in observing that religion was the opiate of the people, the Romans had it perfected right up there with the games of Circus Maximus.The educated ruling class did not believe in the Olympian gods, or any gods at all. In fact it was a badge of honor for the senatorial families to be skeptics. This remains to be the case largely up to today, educated societies have learned to accept that god is one big hoax to keep the poor in check and maintain social harmony, that the personal godhead as presented in Abrahamic religions and most other cultures is not actual.

Let's try to understand phenomena, not sweep things under the rug and resign what we do not understand or are too lazy to investigate to "kudura" and "mungu".

Kudura na mungu ni wewe mwenyewe.

Can you explain to me in a very simple language as to why and how some people can see tomorrow? see and foretell future events which later happens exactly the way they were foretold?

 

[Bangu-silo]

It's my great honor to come before you, I trust you are doing brilliant this day..

Wana JF, ninapenda ku-share na nyinyi hili swala ambalo nimekuwa nikiliwaza wiki hii kwamba katika aspects zote za maisha ya binadamu lazima kuna vitu ambavyo tunakumbana navyo kwa pande zote mbili i.e postive and negative,

Mimi napenda ku-base kwenye negative kwamba je ni kweli kila kitu kinachokuja mbele yako ni kwaajili ya sababu maalum mbeleni au basi tu tunaunganisha matukio ili ku-justfy yale yanayotukuta???

Binafsi kuna mambo mengine naona ni "bad lucky" au kiimani naweza sema ni shetani/balaa/mikosi kwani sidhani kama kweli Mungu anakusudia kuturudisha nyuma na kutuvunja moyo kwa yale mabaya yanayotukumba..

Ningependa tujadili hili swala tukitoka nje kidogo "ki-imani" kwamba kwa atheists kama Kiranga yeye anaweza kuliona hili swala kwa mapana gani??

Lastly, Do you believe everthing happen for a reason??

Be Blessed abundantly..

"Bad Lucky"... Ivi bahati inaweza kuwa mbaya kwl? Na hii imekaaje kitu kiwe bahati yako alafu kiwe kibaya at the same time? Me naona kikiwa kibaya basi haikuwa bahati yako ila kusema bahati mbaya mmmh!!

 

[Gaijin]

Mungu is another one of those myths. Mungu and kudura are two sides of the same myth, which is rooted in ignorance and manipulation. The more humans move away from ignorance, the more kudura and mungu are exposed to be myths.

"Mungu" and "kudura" are two words used widely to sweep under the rug that which we do not understand or do not want to deal with.

Are you trying to say that belief in God is a sign of ignorance?

That you can't be educated and believe in God?

That you can't have an input in science as long as you believe in God?

I could trace the idea of a false god (or gods) being tolerated and even promoted by a non-believing ruling class back to Cicero, Marcus Aurelius and even earlier Chinese and Egyptian dynasties. Marx was hardly original in observing that religion was the opiate of the people, the Romans had it perfected right up there with the games of Circus Maximus. The educated ruling class did not believe in the Olympian gods, or any gods at all.

If you follow history, you will find anything

You will find societies that believed in god/gods that had tremendous progressive ideas

You will find societies that promoted education, made contributions to science and still believed in god

In fact it was a badge of honor for the senatorial families to be skeptics.

At one point, it was a badge of honor to be a staunch Nazi supporter in Germany

At one point, it was a badge of honor to own slaves or to be a descendant of slave owners in America

So much for badge of honor.

This remains to be the case largely up to today, educated societies have learned to accept that god is one big hoax to keep the poor in check and maintain social harmony, that the personal godhead as presented in Abrahamic religions and most other cultures is not actual.

What is an educated society and who is an educated person?

Let's try to understand phenomena, not sweep things under the rug and resign what we do not understand or are too lazy to investigate to "kudura" and "mungu".

Belief in God does not stop a person from doing investigations or contributions to science

Sir Isaac Newton was a strong believer in God and his contribution to science is irrefutable

In fact one can say, his belief steered him in his work so he could sshow God's existence

 

[Craig]

Maarifa muhimu kaka

 

[Wi-Fi]

"Bad Lucky"... Ivi bahati inaweza kuwa mbaya kwl? Na hii imekaaje kitu kiwe bahati yako alafu kiwe kibaya at the same time? Me naona kikiwa kibaya basi haikuwa bahati yako ila kusema bahati mbaya mmmh!!

Mkuu "bad luck" ni kinyume cha kuwa "lucky" i.e an unfortunate state resulting from unfavorable outcomes..

 

[Tiger]

Mkuu "bad luck" ni kinyume cha kuwa "lucky" i.e an unfortunate state resulting from unfavorable outcomes..

Some times what we call good or bad is a matter of perception. Otherwise things might be happening the way they were suppose to happen.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Aliyaacha yatokee ili yamkomaze, yamfanye a better person, yamuandae for new level in life, yamuandae for future challenges.
So nafikiri ni sahihi kundelea kumuomba ampe nguvu (kumpigania) ya kupambana nayo.

Where is the proof that he/she or whoever that is just let undesirable things happen (when they could have been prevented) to her just so she could be toughened up, be made a better person (what is that even?), get her ready for a new level in life (what is that too?) , and prepare her for future challenges?

 

[Frankydney]

Everything happen and sustains its own reason in our life time,
but although we are sometimes
persecuted with, and got hopeless
,heartless as well as confused somehow,
the truth is the conspiracy brought which will determines whatever situation in life.

Many people think different
when it comes the matter
of pottential refer to the
afflictions affected but that
is far from the truth in
term of interrogating our
ability when we[still] facing
something that brings trouble
in a certain season/period.

Just know, everything is usual
as human being,

 

[Kiranga]

Hapa una ya kujibu

Lakini bado kuna "yasiyojulikana" pale uliposema haya:

hatujui cause, inawezekana universe yetu hatujaielewa vizuri, inawezekana causality ime break down huko na kinachoangaliwa ni balance ya matter/antimatter kuliko cause and effect.

Huenda hatutajua!

Of course kuna yasiyojulikana.

The godhead idea is like the Ptolemaic epicycles, it requires too much tinkering and explanation and fails Occam's razor test through and through, among many simple tests.

I would expect an omnipotent, ommiscient, omnipresent godhead to do a better job than Ptolemy.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Of course kuna yasiyojulikana.

If you don't mind, can you name me a few of those unknowns?

 

[Kiranga]

You are also a simple fanatic of nothingness because Einstein's equations remains unsolved to date if you teach you simply teach abstraction

How am I a fanatic of nothingness while I strive to search for something?

Which of Einstein's equation is unsolved? What do you mean by "unsolved"?

And even if Einstein equations happen to be unsolved, how is that "nothingness"? By definition the unsolved is unknown, how is the unknown "nothingness"?

How do you know that something is "nothingness" even before you know what it is because it is unsolved?

Do I detect a laziness in thinking here?

 

[Kaunga]

Where is the proof that he/she or whoever that is just let undesirable things happen (when they could have been prevented) to her just so she could be toughened up, be made a better person (what is that even?), get her ready for a new level life (what is that too?) , and prepare her for future challenges?

Proof atakuja kuishare (if she wants) when she faces bigger challenges than this one, na akaivuka salama na kwa ushindi.

 

[Kiranga]

Can you explain to me in a very simple language as to why and how some people can see tomorrow? see and foretell future events which later happens exactly the way they were foretold?

There are several ways this may appear so.

Of course there is science and the observance of patterns, people have been predicting the future since the ancient Egyptians started observing the flooding of the Nile, and even before. They observed cyclic rhythms that necessitated the calendar and seasonal changes. They took this to predicting eclipses hundreds of years away and the time of sunrise/ sunset tomorrow at any given locality.

This is hardly surprising.It is all in science.

Of course you have the Sheikh Yahya type charlatans who rely on government assistance/ social networks and the general human ignorance and tendencyto need to know the future. This breed is ageless,it can be traced to be the legacy of the prophets of Asclepius such as Alexander who performed conjured tricks with hollowed oracles, tamed snakes and other hocus-pocus that would impress simple minded high school juniors and fearful consiracy theory prone cranks. This was simply the "karata tatu" of the day. One of my Buddhist monk friends called it "low art".

And even had it been that we have a truly unexplained teller of the future who goes beyond the means of science we know today, that does not mean god is behind it.

The famous science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke had a saying that attained a law like cult following, it goes "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".

A common technique in literature that demonstrates this is using a western explorer who is in some scientifically unsophisticated corner of the world, persecuted to death, and then conveniently predicting an eclipse which was in his diary all along, and hence assuming the status of a magical prophet . I think I saw this in at least one of the Zulu/British encounter movies.

The question implies that predicting the future is that impressive. It is not. It has been done by observing patterns for millenia.

Why, I can even "predict" that the sun will rise tomorrow!

And of course you always have the Nostradamic quartrains that are so cryptic to be attributed to anything that could fit the minds of eager believers.

 

[Kiranga]

Are you trying to say that belief in God is a sign of ignorance?

Yes, at least in the sense that belief does not result in knowledge, to the contrary, belief is accepting without questioning or knowing. Not questioning breeds ignorance.

That you can't be educated and believe in God?

If you are educated and you believe in god, your education is limited at that, you are bound to assign any unknown to "god's mysteries" and sleep on it. This breeds ignorance.

A peer who does not believe in god would not settle for that answer and would look for a better explanation.

That you can't have an input in science as long as you believe in God?

Your limited is going to be limited per above. Science aims at eradicating beliefs with knowledge, this is one of the basic tenets of science and knowledge seeking.

If you follow history, you will find anything

Which is why Socrates, paraphrased by Ralph Emerson and most recently Jay-Z said question authority, question religion, question everything.

I demonstrated that the idea of skepticism is nothing new and strange as some of our fellow Tanzanians would believe. There was a fellow who did not believe that I did not believe in god, simply because he had never heard such a thing in his entire life. Just goes to show some of the fine stock of specimen we are dealing with here.

You will find societies that believed in god/gods that had tremendous progressive ideas

The idea of a upholding a false godhead to maintain social cohesion itself as I explained above was progressive at one point in that it prevented mayhem among the barbarian masses. But we have passed this river, why cling to an instrument that is a relic of an ignorant past?

The fact that there were societies with progressive ideas and believed in god does not make god real, and does not remove the ignorance imposed on those societies due to the limitation of a godhead ceiling.

You will find societies that promoted education, made contributions to science and still believed in god

But all this is limited at the godhead ceiling as explained above.

At one point, it was a badge of honor to be a staunch Nazi supporter in Germany

It is still a badge of honor for at least one JF member who has the Nazi Swastika as their avatar, what's your point in echoing me? I was demonstrating that my position is nothing new, what are you demonstrating?

At one point, it was a badge of honor to own slaves or to be a descendant of slave owners in America

In religion, it is still a badge of honor to proclaim oneself as god's slave, what's your point?

So much for badge of honor.

Are you upholding your submission to god as a badge of honor? Yes or no?

What is an educated society and who is an educated person?

An element of being educated is not believing in superstitions. Religion is just a system of superstitions. Educated societies have a low tolerance for believing in superstitions.

Belief in God does not stop a person from doing investigations or contributions to science

Belief and investigations do not mix.

Believing is accepting something as fact without investigation. Investigating something means you are not satisfied and do not believe. You cannot have belief and investigation at the same time. If you believe, you do not investigate, if you investigate, you do not believe.

Sir Isaac Newton was a strong believer in God and his contribution to science is irrefutable

Even Ptolemy and Aristotle had some meaningful contributions to science, but that does not mean they were infallible. Science is a process, not a cult of personalities with prophets like religion.

In fact one can say, his belief steered him in his work so he could sshow God's existence

He was working in the midst of a knowledge deprived era that was just coming out of the Industrial Revolution, do you really want us to go back to this era?

 

[Kiranga]

If you don't mind, can you name me a few of those unknowns?

What lies beyond the electromagnetic waves spectrum?

What lies beyond the scope of the singularity of the big bang model?

What happens when matter attains the energy level to move faster than the speed of light and move backwards in time?

Why is matter quantized?

Why are photons quantized?

Why is quantum physics so probabilistic?

Is the Planck scale the limit of granularity or the limit of our measurement of granularity?

Is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle a function of our technological impotence or due to an inherently seeded deeper reality in nature that would prove impregnable no matter what technology is used to to overcome the limitation?

What causes Einstein's "spooky action at a distance" ?

What would be the results of testing string theory experimentally?

What is the largest prime number?

Will Tanzania qualify to go to the World Cup in the next 50 years?

I could resign all these questions to "the mysteries of god", but that will not reduce my ignorance on the matters.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

What lies beyond the electromagnetic waves spectrum?

What lies beyond the scope of the singularity of the big bang model?

What happens when matter attains the energy level to move faster than the speed of light and move backwards in time?

Why is matter quantized?

Why are photons quantized?

Why is quantum physics so probabilistic?

Is the Planck scale the limit of granularity?

Is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle a function of our technological impotence or due to an inherently seeded deeper reality in nature that would prove impregnable no matter what technology is used to to overcome the limitation?

What causes Einstein's "spooky action at a distance" ?

What is the largest prime number?

Will Tanzania qualify to go to the World Cup in the next 50 years?

Awesome.

Now, if we know them or if they are known to be unknowns, then how are they unknowns when they are already known?

An unknown quantity that is already known to be unknown is it still an unknown?

 

[Kiranga]

Awesome.

Now, if we know them or if they are known to be unknowns, then how are they unknowns when they are already known?

An unknown quantity that is already known to be unknown is it still an unknown?

We know questions whose answers we do not.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Can you explain to me in a very simple language as to why and how some people can see tomorrow?

Hold up, you mean there are folks out there who actually can see tomorrow? Like using the power of their sight to see what tomorrow looks like? Can tomorrow be seen?