CHADEMA wazungumze na Zitto na ACT

[KILLERS KISS GUY]

lakini tujue kuwa ukawa si chadema peke yao, kuna vyama vingine vinavyo ukawa iwe ukawa. cha msingi kila mtu anatetea maslahi yake na ndiyo maana mimi huwa naona mabadiliko ya kweli na yenye dhamira ya kumukomboa mtanzania yatapatikana nje ya vyama vya siasa, hapa lazima kitu kinachoitwa maandamano ya wengi baada ya hapo tutapata viongozi wenye uchungu na nchi yetu na siyo wenye uchungu na vyama vyao

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Very sad..ukikosoa tu unaakua 'adui'
na hapo hawajashika dola...bado......

Kama ilivyo Marekani sasa hivi.

Ukiwa mzungu na ukimkosoa Obama weusi watakuita wewe ni 'racist'.

Na ukiwa mweusi na ukimkosoa Obama weusi wengine watakuita wewe ni 'msaliti'.

 

[chipolopolo 2]

Brother brother, having shared Ideology does not mean shared policies as well! it all depends on what choices we make on the way, it's like traveling on two different buses going the same route.

You kinda remind me of People who believe in marrying Man/Woman within their faith nothing else, while in actual fact He/she might be not a believer and worse than others who aren't of their faith. If we say we beleieve and do not practice what we believe in, do we really have faith? So there is more than just faith and believing.. We ought to live and practice in what we believe in to be of the faith...We can only say CCM are Socialist if and only if they apply Socialism in their Policies..

Umejitahidi kuongea kiingereza chako cha kata ila upuuzi mtupu, bora ungeandika kiswahili sababu hapa kuna watu wamesoma cambridge, wanajua lugha kama mzaramo wa msata anavyojua kizaramo!

Kifupi Chadema au Ukawa haiwezi kushirikiana na Zitto, Zitto akashirikiane na CCM, sababu wana share ujamaa, na stahili ya ujamaa wao unafanana,

Chadema sio "Wajamaa" na hawatakuwa "wajamaa" kama Zitto na CCM! Chadema ipo kufuta ujamaa feki wa CCM.

 

[Mkandara]

Umejitahidi kuongea kiingereza chako cha kata ila upuuzi mtupu, bora ungeandika kiswahili sababu hapa kuna watu wamesoma cambridge, wanajua lugha kama mzaramo wa msata anavyojua kizaramo!

Kifupi Chadema au Ukawa haiwezi kushirikiana na Zitto, Zitto akashirikiane na CCM, sababu wana share ujamaa, na stahili ya ujamaa wao unafanana,

Chadema sio "Wajamaa" na hawatakuwa "wajamaa" kama Zitto na CCM! Chadema ipo kufuta ujamaa feki wa CCM.

Ahahaha sawa mkuu, unajua tena wengine tumesomea madrasa kwa hiyo lugha ya kigeni tunapuyanga tu kama mataputapu ya kushushia gongolo.. Lakini ningefurahi kama ungejibu kwa kiingereza cha Cambridge ulokuwa maabara ya kuchanganya madawa tungeelawana.

Sasa kama Chadema sio WAJAMAA kwa nini mnatangaza ELIMU na AFYA bure kwa wote? mnataka baadhi ya Mashirika yataifishwe, mnawatetea Wakulima na Wafanyakazi ambao ndio base ya uchumi wetu hadi Machinga na mama ntilie na vibanda vyao barabarani! Ni mrengo gani huu wa Kulia? ama ndio katika kutafuta KULA ktk Demokrasia na maendeleo?

 

[Demarco]

Ahahaha sawa mkuu, unajua tena wengine tumesomea madrasa kwa hiyo lugha ya kigeni tunapuyanga tu kama mataputapu ya kushushia gongolo.. Lakini ningefurahi kama ungejibu kwa kiingereza cha Cambridge ulokuwa maabara ya kuchanganya madawa tungeelawana.

Sasa kama Chadema sio WAJAMAA kwa nini mnatangaza ELIMU na AFYA bure kwa wote? mnataka baadhi ya Mashirika yataifishwe, mnawatetea Wakulima na Wafanyakazi ambao ndio base ya uchumi wetu hadi Machinga na mama ntilie na vibanda vyao barabarani! Ni mrengo gani huu wa Kulia? ama ndio katika kutafuta KULA ktk Demokrasia na maendeleo?

Hakuna maana kuwa mataifa wasio Wajamaa hakuna huduma zanazo gharamiwa na serikali (katika sera za vyama vyao.)...kuna Public school zinazo gharamiwa na serikali ,tena wana vitu vingine vinashinda hata wajamaa mfano Unemployed ,kuna project Housing kwa ajili ya wenye kipato kidogo ,kuna bidhaa ambazo serikali ina subsidy mfano solar panel system ukinunua USA bei ndogo kwa kuwa part of it imelipwa na serikali kusuport the use of clean and renewable energy. Vitu na mifano niliyoongelea hapa ni katika moja ya nchi ambayo ukisema ni mjamaa unaonekana kama traitor or terrorist hasa kutokana na makovu cold war .
My point ni kuwa inabidi uangalie vema defination yako ya Ujamaa .

Serikali kupitia sera ya chama chochote kuona kuwa elimu ni msingi na kugharamia kwa kuwa inahitaji skilled resource haiifanyi kuwa ujamaa....sijuhi kwa nini umesema hivi kwa kweli.

 

[Mlingwa]

Iwapo CDM itaamua kuzungumza na kumrejesha ama kuungana na ZZK binafsi na natumai wafuasi wengi wa chadema watakihama chama. Ikumbukwe usaliti wa ZZK umezungumzwa muda mrefu na viongozi walikuwa wakiufumbia macho. Hili halitakubalika. Anayemtaka ZZK amfuate huko huko ama aanzishe chama chake.

 

[Demarco]

How happy do you want CCM to be? Kinana is no longer working with matofali ya kuchoma vijijini, as CDM is now busy clashing with ACT instead of focusing on CCM. CCM are guaranteed to win the 2015 elections it's written in stone the moment CDM decided to throw wisdom out of the window and persue Lissu plan of sh*tting on everyone face in the name of being right.

Hizi hadithi za traitor this traitor that makes CHADEMA look like COMMUNIST Cuba, have you ever heard a modern political party in the world talk about traitors?people agree to disagree all the time. Hillary went to to toe with Obama and ended up serving as his number 3. The you'r either with us or against us never worked, Otherwise Kick out other UKAWA members, since they are much closer to CCM that ACT will ever wish to be.



ACT simply instills doubt in CDM,and this plays out to CCM advantage. ACT is not a major party and will not become one in the next few years. ACT serves as a reminder of everything that went wrong in CDM.



CCM chairman was quote on record saying Tanzania is no longer a socialist party, so CCM by default is no longer following that. CCM unfortunately is the strongest party in Tanzania really does not need any help that CDM is so stupidly offering it by rocking it's own boat. You don't set your house on fire just to prove a point that you do not like pesticides. That is what we call stup*dity.

As per my observation for someone to debate you needs to understand your motive first after reviewing your argument .And I must say my articulation ability can not keep up with you ,you good on what you doing and you understand every there is nothing to change your stand/Motive/Intention because for ,you it is a choice as I believe you're neither misinformed nor misunderstanding of whats cooking.

The best thing for me to do after making assumption of your motive is to just say ,Najua wajua, na wajua kuwa najua.

 

[yero]

Wow!! CUF or NCCR never did that to CHADEMA when CHADEMA was a one MP party back in 1995-2005. why is it CHADEMA's task to tell Tanzanains to not vote for other opposition party?does this sound right to you?if it sounds right that says a lot about "our way or the highway", mentality in CHADEMA.

Just because CUF or NCCR never did it, it doesn’t mean CDM shouldn’t do it, does that make sense? It is the job of political party across the globe to draw undecided voters to its side, there is nothing wrong with that. However by common sense opposition parties should have the common enemy, the ruling party, this has never been the case with ACT, and nothing can change that.


By forcing Dr. Slaa to be the presidential Candidate is that what work is? Every member of UKAWA should have equal say in nomination of presidential contender, and by starting to force CDM agenda, this will not end well. Mark my words. I said this before and i will say it again, as long as UKAWA members are not committed philosophical wise in pushing out CCM, i do not see them as viable replacement for CCM. How can you force out a party as well established as CCM when you are busy fighting 1 year old parties?


CDM are not busy fighting with ACT, it is simply not true. Nobody has forced Dr. Slaa to be anybody, that’s purely a mere conjecture. Nobody is forcing CDM’s agenda in UKAWA, that’s an ill belief. I think you can gauge UKAWA members’ commitment by what they have achieved as a union that will clearly explain the stage of success there are in. UKAWA have their own eligibility criterias in getting their candidates all the way to presidency. If you are implying that there is no ‘equal say in nomination’ in UKAWA you are falsely misleading people.


Doh, Why is CHADEMA the one making the loudest noise to have ZITTO out of UKAWA?don't you see this as a personal vendetta?i see it as such, and i seriously do not have confidence in a party with personal vendettas.Too toxic.


Well, just because you see it as such doesn’t mean it is like that. CHADEMA have make the ‘loudest noise’ because this guy used to occupy a leadership position in their party. Nevertheless CDM has communicated its reasons to other UKAWA members, refer to what Lipumba said about Zitto’s CDM exit.


I don't see it like that at all, ACT is purely a child of CDM lack of proper handling of Zitto and his influence within CDM. ACT would never have seen the light of day if it was not for over reactionary CHADEMA leaders. Blaming CCM for mistakes commited by CDM for me shows even worse judgement call in CHADEMA's party. Good leaders live up to their mess ups and own them, they do not deflect them elsewhere and burry their heads in the sand. Have you ever asked yourself what would have happened if Mbowe and Ndesamburo had not stopped Zitto to contest for CHADEMA chairman seat?what was Mbowe so afraid of that he did not want to be tested in the ballot of his own party?


A lot of statements have been said by CDM members about Chairmanship position in CDM, something which propelled ZZK to leave after he missed it. I suggest you make references, I am not going to dwell on personal issues between ZZK and Mbowe, it is obvious that Zitto is having this fight with Mbowe because of the position. Again just because you don’t see it, does not mean it is not there.
The fact is ACT has been so meticulously established to strangle the relishing coalition of the opposition parties in Tanzania, ahead of the 2015 general election.


We all know Zitto politics are based on bipartisanship support, Prof Baregu Flatout denied CHADEMA calls for him to step down from Constitution Commitee?why is no one calling him a traitor?or is the traitor name for him carefully reserved till the day he is no longer in good deeds with Mbowe?
Duh this is stupid, you wish your own leader to show up at a rally that people ends up getting beaten up?what if he disapproved f the violent demonstrations tactic?has it occured to you that may be Zitto clashed with his leaders by deciding to not follow blindly? I see a tendence here, to be a good CHADEMA cadre, you have to be the YES man,even when you do things that are questionable to you. Violence has never been the only solution, and if in a political party everyone is advocating clashes with police as a way to gather votes there is something wrong there.
And by the way, why is this selective justice when dealing with ZItto cases?this is what puzzles me a lot. MBATIA, KAFULILA and CUF it's all forgiven, ZITTO it's not. This is very absurd from CHADEMA seriously.Looks like Rules are made as Mbowe decides in CHADEMA.


I get insulted because of what I believe, I am used to that. Zitto is trying so hard to clean himself with regards to this traitor issue, he created a mess in CDM, they named him a traitor, which is his problem.

There is no doubt that excessive force have been used consistently against CDM even in peaceful political demonstrations. The ruling party hates opposition so much, so much that they kill Tanzanians for no reason. People have been killed, and you are here talking nonsense. Nobody resorts to violence as a way to gain power even though they get branded as ‘terrorists’. What you call ‘selective justice’ just show how your memories are short.


Apparently i have chosen to not believe that Zitto who has worked tirelessly for the better of Tanzania is working with CCM to diminish CDM. If CCM wanted to diminish CDM they should be crazy for choosing a chap who has brought them to their knees countless times. What i fail to believe is CHADEMA theatrics about Zitto being a traitor and never produce anything tangible.When KAFULILA accused RUGEMALILA, we saw transactions from Mkombozi account that were verified independently. I expect same from ZITTO accusations, not some lame made up emails. Why is it so difficult for CHADEMA to produce indisputabe evidence against Zitto, while it hates him so much?looks like you are the one who needs to check your complete belief in what CHADEMA is telling you.


What you choose to believe in is up to you, what I believe is up to me. You don’t want any evidence even it is provided, those e-mails, you call them ‘lame made up’, and you will give names to every piece of evidence shown. People who don’t have any convincing power to make other people to understand them, always have this problem. Just live with your beliefs, that’s all.


Everything is going fine with UKAWA?how?you do realize that CCM won 75% of local government elections, and this was before CHADEMA fiasco right? No dear, nothing is going fine with UKAWA, they are behind schedule in getting CCM out and frustratingly they are stuck in pettiness.


If you think everything is not fine, that’s you, you have the right to believe in anything. CDM won constituencies where they never had candidates in the first place, they’ve won constituencies in places for example Mbozi West where CCM had all the local government seats. You see CCM chased their No.7 (Mr. Hassan Nassor Moyo) for being a traitor. This happens, Zitto is not a special case, and it is only empty headed people who think Zitto has any significant influence.


I am not someone from CCM or ACT, and whether am right or wrong, we will know come November 2015.I will hate to tell you I TOLD YOU SO.

If you are not someone from CCM or ACT, then where are you from? I don’t like having these debates with people without stance, I’d like to discuss with someone with stance and not ACTCCM disguised individual.


When you are on a moral high horse you should have done something to deserve it. If CHADEMA thinks Zitto offered a blanket appology it should also offer a blanket apology. DID you not read respect is a two way street? CHADEMA should realise that ZITTO is no longer on their leash and they can not order him around anymore..,For me he is the more civilised of the two. He offered an apology. CHADEMA looks like the worse one here..,


‘Blanket apology’ for ‘blanket apology’, do you even think it makes sense? If you think CHADEMA should offer an apology, then you are not thinking straight.


I do not think Zitto wants to get back in CHADEMA, unless you are telling me UKAWA is the same as CHADEMA, which i believe it's not. By tring to show that CHADEMA is the alfa dog in UKAWA you are portraying everything that is wrong in CHADEMA. Inability to incorporate others with different oppinions.

Why should Chadema and leaders be the deciders of Zitto's fate?I would only see logic if out of 4 UKAWA members every party makes a vote and as far as am concerened in a coalition situation CHADEMA vote is similar to CUF Vote, it is similar to NLD as well as Similar to NCCR. That is to say, if UKAWA was ever democratic, CHADEMA Can say NO and ACT may get a chance to join UKAWA. But who am i kidding, we both know CHADEMA and Democracy aren't exactly cousins recently. It's all about what Mbowe says.

CDM is the largest opposition party in UKAWA, that’s a fact. There is nothing wrong with CDM saying they don’t want him. Again it is not a must for ACT to join UKAWA, they can start their own union with other opposition parties. If CDM were unable to incorporate others, they wouldn’t be in UKAWA in the first place.

 

[Bwana Mudogo]

Mkuu labda umesahau! Ungewashauri pia wazungumze na Mtela,Shonza,Mchange,Mwigamba,Kitila n.k... Maana munatumia nguvu kubwa sana kumpigia kampeni msaliti mmoja pekee kwa mifano ya hovyo tena mingine yenye kukosa misingi ya kimaadili.Yani mtoto wako mwenyewe(mtu mzima) na nyumba yako mwenyewe ajisaidie sebuleni tena sio mara moja uogope kumchukulia hatua eti asije kwenda kusimama dirishani kwa nje na kurushia mkojo au kinyesi ndani!? Halafu unajiita kiongozi wa familia(baba au mama) kweli?.Mi naona umekosea kuleta mfano huu kwenye hii hoja munayoitetea wewe na washirika wenzio kwa gharama kubwa kiasi kwamba hadi inatia mashaka makubwa.Labda huyo mtt awe wa mwenye nyumba uliyopanga ndo itakulazimu uka negotiate nae tena kwa mwenye akili timamu ili utumie muda huo kujipanga namna ya kuhama na nyumba nyenyewe.

 

[Jenerali Ambamba]

Ukawa ikiikaribisha ACT...Narudisha kadi yangu ya Chadema au naichana chana ndo itakuwa mwisho wa kuwa na chama katika maisha yangu.

 

[jmushi1]

Ushauri huu ni mbovu kabisa na haustahili kuzingatiwa hata kidogo!

 

[sosoliso]

Ukawa ikiikaribisha ACT...Narudisha kadi yangu ya Chadema au naichana chana ndo itakuwa mwisho wa kuwa na chama katika maisha yangu.

Mkuu na mie nitaomba kuongozana na wewe katika kurudisha kadi ya chama pamoja kitambulisho wa kupiga kura.. Maana sintoshiriki tena kwenye zoezi zima la upigaji kura mie..

Haingii akilini mtu ambae ana akili timamu akafanya yale ambayo wenye njaa na tamaa ya hela na wanatumika hapa JF wanashauri.. Tena kwa mifano inaokinzana kama kaskazini na kusini..!

 

[mcfm40]

umeongea busara tupu.

Shida chadema hakuna Leadership quality inayohitajika, na depth ya leadership yao nyembamba sana. mbaya zaidi kwenye leadership wako wachache na ndio alfa na omega.

Yani wanakuwa toyed na CCM kama Mayweather alivyo toy around Pacquiao jana usiku.

Shida CHADEMA hakuna restrain.Zitto conflict in CHADEMA was akin to a mosquito landing on CHADEMA testicles, Violence ( expulsions) was no wise course of action, but well, someone had to show that they were the top dog.The rest is history, Hawakujua Zitto problem was that mosquito in a sensible area that did not need no (violence) expulsion but careful navigation towards neutralizing him. Sasa CHADEMA wamebaki kuugulia wakati choice ilikuwa ya kwao wenyewe.

Kimweri sawa labda chadema walifanyakosa. Lakini mbona hoja zako kam zinaelemea upande mmoja. Unatkakusema Zitto hanarole katikayote yaliyokuwa yanandelea? Je nini role ya Zitt katika kusawazisha mambo km kweli alikuwa na dhamira njema? Unataka kuniambia Zitto hajui ni mambo gani ambao yanaleta migogoro kwenye vyama vya siasa? Yaani kwamba Zitto yeye ni km mtoto kila anacholilia apewe kwa sababu ni maarufu. Role ya Zito katika kuhakiksha hasabishi mitafaruku katika chama ilikuwa ni nini? Mwambieni ukweli kwamba na yeye km alikuwa kweli ana nia njema hakupaswa kuwa chanzo cha mitafaruku ktk chama.

Kiongozi mwenye busara anapaswa kuwa na uwezo wa kuforesee mambo yenye potential ya kuleta mizozo nakutafuta njia bora zaidi ya kufikia ambitions zake bila kuathiri afya ya taasisi!

 

[mcfm40]

umeongea busara tupu.

Shida chadema hakuna Leadership quality inayohitajika, na depth ya leadership yao nyembamba sana. mbaya zaidi kwenye leadership wako wachache na ndio alfa na omega.

Yani wanakuwa toyed na CCM kama Mayweather alivyo toy around Pacquiao jana usiku.

Shida CHADEMA hakuna restrain.Zitto conflict in CHADEMA was akin to a mosquito landing on CHADEMA testicles, Violence ( expulsions) was no wise course of action, but well, someone had to show that they were the top dog.The rest is history, Hawakujua Zitto problem was that mosquito in a sensible area that did not need no (violence) expulsion but careful navigation towards neutralizing him. Sasa CHADEMA wamebaki kuugulia wakati choice ilikuwa ya kwao wenyewe.

Kimweri sawa labda chadema walifanyakosa. Lakini mbona hoja zako kam zinaelemea upande mmoja. Unatkakusema Zitto hanarole katikayote yaliyokuwa yanandelea? Je nini ya Zitt ktika kusawazisha mambo km kweli alikuwa ndamira njema? Unataka kuniambia Zitto hajui ni mambo gani ambao yanaleta migogoro kwenye vyama vya siasa? Yaani kambaitto yeye ni km mtoto kila anacholilia apewe kwa sababu ni maarufu. Role ya Zito katika kuhakiksha hasabishi mitafaruku katika chama ni nini? Mwambieni ukweli kwamba na yeye km alikuwa kweli ana nia njema hakupaswa kuwa chanzo cha mitafaruku ktk chama.

Kiongozi mwenye busara anapaswa kuwa na uwezo wa kuforesee mambo yenye potential ya kuleta mizozo nakutafuta njia bora zaidi ya kufikia ambitions zake bila kuathiri afya ya taasisi!

 

[Kimweri]

Just because CUF or NCCR never did it, it doesn't mean CDM shouldn't do it, does that make sense? It is the job of political party across the globe to draw undecided voters to its side, there is nothing wrong with that. However by common sense opposition parties should have the common enemy, the ruling party, this has never been the case with ACT, and nothing can change that.

It's Because CUF and NCCR were mature enough to realise politics is not a zero sum game. You can choose negative tactics or postive ones and it saddens me that CDM has chosen the negative part. And even bigger hypocrysis will come when CCM applies negative tactics and CDM cry wolf. Remember how CDM used to complain when CCM related CDM to violence, CUF to religious ties and other negative stuffs?we both denounced CCM for that. Majority of Tanzanians don't like negativity & Violence if CDM ever realizes this they will win elections so easily.
You seriously can not have your cake and eat it. If CHADEMA Succeeds in having a cake an eat it, it sure will become a textbook example. But be wise and remember, if it's too good to be true, it probably ain't so.

By forcing Dr. Slaa to be the presidential Candidate is that what work is? Every member of UKAWA should have equal say in nomination of presidential contender, and by starting to force CDM agenda, this will not end well. Mark my words. I said this before and i will say it again, as long as UKAWA members are not committed philosophical wise in pushing out CCM, i do not see them as viable replacement for CCM. How can you force out a party as well established as CCM when you are busy fighting 1 year old parties?


CDM are not busy fighting with ACT, it is simply not true. Nobody has forced Dr. Slaa to be anybody, that's purely a mere conjecture. Nobody is forcing CDM's agenda in UKAWA, that's an ill belief. I think you can gauge UKAWA members' commitment by what they have achieved as a union that will clearly explain the stage of success there are in. UKAWA have their own eligibility criterias in getting their candidates all the way to presidency. If you are implying that there is no ‘equal say in nomination' in UKAWA you are falsely misleading people.

Majority of threasd started by CHADEMA bigwigs here to denounce ACT simply says otherwise.Worse even CDM officials like Tumaini Makene has fallen into this trap. I could say loud noise makers like Yericko just write about ACT for the sake of it, but when CDM director of PR comes out in full attack of ACT, it pretty much sums up the mood in CDM. That was a mistake.

About CDM beliefs in UKAWA, you keep contradicting yourself, you just said CDM asked UKAWA members to denounce Zitto, now you are claiming CDM is not forcing its agenda, see the contradiction here? you sound like World Bank telling the government to not pick an inside contractor to run BRT, then the same World Bank saying it's not meddling in Tanzania internal affairs. Choose to have a cake or eat it buddy.

As for UKAWA members being equal, you already contradicted yourself below by claiming CDM is the biggest party.what says of CUF that actually has an incumbent VP and ministers in Zanzibar?/facepalm

Well, just because you see it as such doesn't mean it is like that. CHADEMA have make the ‘loudest noise' because this guy used to occupy a leadership position in their party. Nevertheless CDM has communicated its reasons to other UKAWA members, refer to what Lipumba said about Zitto's CDM exit.

And this is exactly CDM mistakes, Zitto ni m*vi ya kale CHADEMA. he is a nobody there at the moment. is CCM making a fus of Dr. Slaa because he used to be their member?is TLP making such fus because LEMA used to be with them?what about NCCR with Tundu Lisu? see a pattern here? politicians have a choice to work anywhere they like. just like you do not expect your past employer to keep yapping about you to your new employer.
In red i have addressed that as an interference of UKAWA running intended to instil CDM influence over other members.

A lot of statements have been said by CDM members about Chairmanship position in CDM, something which propelled ZZK to leave after he missed it. I suggest you make references, I am not going to dwell on personal issues between ZZK and Mbowe, it is obvious that Zitto is having this fight with Mbowe because of the position. Again just because you don't see it, does not mean it is not there.
The fact is ACT has been so meticulously established to strangle the relishing coalition of the opposition parties in Tanzania, ahead of the 2015 general election.

I seriously won't make references to Mbowe-Zitto Saga about CHADEMA chairmanship. Have you forgotten what happened, when Zitto ill-advisedly announced the running for Chairmanship back in 2009? It coincides perfectly well with the timeframe Zitto began to be toxic in CDM. we have been here observing quietly, how Zitto changed from the prodigy son to an outsider deserving of all bad names. I remember in the running to 2010 general election, Dr. Slaa proudly told every Tanzanian that Half of TISS are reporting to HIM!!Nobody is calling Slaa a Traitor. Imagine Zitto saying that!Same Zitto has been blamed by CDM to work with TISS, simply because he had allegedly been in contact with Zoka. Now If the first premise of Half CDM reporting to Slaa, didn't that make a certain percentage report to Zitto as he was Slaa number 2?see the mudslinging?So either Slaa was telling every Tanzanian a Lie, and no TISS was reporting to Him, or Zitto was innocent, simply because TISS was actually working with CDM through the patry secretary office, in which Zitto was a deputy. I keep saying this, CHADEMA has some good moments but way to many flaws and contradictions. Some of us have dedicated quite sometime trying to straighten the ship through social commentary, but all falls on deaf ears.

The fact in red is another contradiction i see CDM using to hide their blunders!! for whatever reason, HUKUMU ya Zitto ilipelekwa mbele ili awahi kufukuzwa!!Zitto angeendelea Kuwa CDM hadi leo hii ACT ingekuwa a no big deal party. mara baada ya kumfukuza kwa nderemo na vifijo as evidenced by your chief whip Tundu Lissu celebratory Tweets and media comentary with Mnyika by his side, they all proudly said ZITTO was NO LONGER a CDM member!!funny enough they were all wrong!since parliamentary and party procedures were not followed. If i were Zitto at that point i wouldn't force to be in CDM and an alternative political party was his only choice.CDM still had a chance to keep Zitto Dormant for as long as possible even with active mediation. this could have bought CHADEMA a lot of time to foucs on elections. Instead you thought he was as disposable as Mwigamba and such. Well you learned a hard lesson, and now you are back complaining ACT being sent by CCM while You are the one who created this monster from the get go. You can spread such cojones to your simpletons but not to anyone who followed closely what was going on

I get insulted because of what I believe, I am used to that. Zitto is trying so hard to clean himself with regards to this traitor issue, he created a mess in CDM, they named him a traitor, which is his problem.

There is no doubt that excessive force have been used consistently against CDM even in peaceful political demonstrations. The ruling party hates opposition so much, so much that they kill Tanzanians for no reason. People have been killed, and you are here talking nonsense. Nobody resorts to violence as a way to gain power even though they get branded as ‘terrorists'. What you call ‘selective justice' just show how your memories are short.

I think Zitto has moved on, and i haven't heard him discuss about his conflict with CDM,and he has consistently said all is behind with him. Where is this Zitto trying to clean himself up come from?
CDM is not the first party to see the unprofessional side of our police force. Thi started a while back, from Mrema days When all we were listening on his rallies were mabomu, mabomu!we called him mzee wa mabomu? you don't remember that?well probably you weren't around the political scene then.
Regardless of what you think of me, i will never advice anyone to demonstrate against a police force that is politically influenced by CCM, and expect professional police handling. Violence and demonstrations are choices people make. Seen any CUF demonstration lately?well guess what , they learned the hard way that being Ngangari with some one with a SMG is not the wisest of choices even if you are absolutely right. Ever heard a quote," i have a gun so am always right?". This is a problem with CDM, we have advised them so many times that taking CCm by force is counter productive. But well, some politicians just like the sound of a few people injured. The lives and blood of Tanzanians lost through political demonstrations are in the hands of CDM leaders and CCM. NO one can avoid the blame. You don't cry BOMB in a US bound flight and expect civil reaction.
Any rulling party anywhere would like to preserve their power, the same way Mbowe and CDM bigwigs are fighting ACT to keep their dominant position. Power is one of the worst thing that you can give to a human being. When you deal with a person with power, you have to be extra smart otherwise you bare all the consequences.

Apparently i have chosen to not believe that Zitto who has worked tirelessly for the better of Tanzania is working with CCM to diminish CDM. If CCM wanted to diminish CDM they should be crazy for choosing a chap who has brought them to their knees countless times. What i fail to believe is CHADEMA theatrics about Zitto being a traitor and never produce anything tangible.When KAFULILA accused RUGEMALILA, we saw transactions from Mkombozi account that were verified independently. I expect same from ZITTO accusations, not some lame made up emails. Why is it so difficult for CHADEMA to produce indisputabe evidence against Zitto, while it hates him so much?looks like you are the one who needs to check your complete belief in what CHADEMA is telling you.


What you choose to believe in is up to you, what I believe is up to me. You don't want any evidence even it is provided, those e-mails, you call them ‘lame made up', and you will give names to every piece of evidence shown. People who don't have any convincing power to make other people to understand them, always have this problem. Just live with your beliefs, that's all.

Problem is you have not provided any evidence. Ever heard of indisputable evidence? I am a veteran Professional Engineer with loads of experience in communication systems, when i tell you those emails are a joke i am absolutely 100% sure in what i am talking about.

Give me your email now and i will send you loads of emails from JK, OBAMA and any worldwide figure you might think of on top of your hear.There is a reason we use end to end encryption in workplaces to secure emails, because more often than not man in the middle attack can intercept communication between two individuals without them ever know what is going on. I suggest you watch Citizen 4 to understand the concept of privacy, security and the lengths Snowden went thorugh to make sure that he was communicating with who he thought he was communicating with.
I couldn't find an easier way to explain why those emails are ---- but this explains in layman terms what

What Those Emails that CDM claims are related to ZITTO and such can be created by softwares downloaded for free on the internet.

see here

I am appalled that an educated person would fall for such simple tricks.., so how many $$$ have you send to those Nigerian princes so far stuck with inheritance they can't claim?

You can bullshit me about a lot of things but NEVER bullshit me on Communication Systems.EVER

If you think everything is not fine, that's you, you have the right to believe in anything. CDM won constituencies where they never had candidates in the first place, they've won constituencies in places for example Mbozi West where CCM had all the local government seats. You see CCM chased their No.7 (Mr. Hassan Nassor Moyo) for being a traitor. This happens, Zitto is not a special case, and it is only empty headed people who think Zitto has any significant influence.

Good. I am frustrated that when CCM was at their lowest lows, All the opposition could focus on were petty issues. CCM chased Moyo, do you see JK (CCM Chairman) giving rallies denouncing him?do you see them asking other parties to deny him podium?do you see each and every CCM supporter diarrhea-ing all the petty things about him? You see? Right there is the difference between CDM and CCM. One is a mature party and another one keeps making rookie mistakes.

Although CDM would have been better without kicking him out,and found a way to work with him, I personally support Zitto getting kicked out of CDM for i think the differences in Opinions grew so wide at the end. What i do not support is CDM behavior on the matter.

If you are not someone from CCM or ACT, then where are you from? I don't like having these debates with people without stance, I'd like to discuss with someone with stance and not ACTCCM disguised individual.

Call me independent. Call me someone tired of CCM but not impressed by any of our parties. I am a very hard to please chap. If you don't like that that's not my problem.

‘Blanket apology' for ‘blanket apology', do you even think it makes sense? If you think CHADEMA should offer an apology, then you are not thinking straight.

I am thinking absolutely straight. This situation has gotten to this point because Mbowe believed he was superior to Zitto and Zitto thought he was not inferior to Mbowe, reason for Zitto wanting to vie for CDM chairmanship. If you think CDM did not make a single mistake or do something they should not have done with regards to handling of their former senior leader who had worked hard for CDM for 2 decades then you are an example of everything that is wrong at CDM now.

Everyone there thinks they are Angels who are never wrong, and it's their way or the highway. Unfortunately, i have known a few chaps from Kigoma, and i don't know what it is, but people from Kigoma absolutely don't like to back down.Especially when they know they are right. I was surprised Zitto offered the apology and put the past behind him. In politics that was 1 to Zitto and 0 to CDM whether you agree or not.

CDM is the largest opposition party in UKAWA, that's a fact. There is nothing wrong with CDM saying they don't want him. Again it is not a must for ACT to join UKAWA, they can start their own union with other opposition parties. If CDM were unable to incorporate others, they wouldn't be in UKAWA in the first place.

That's not how coalitions work,in an ideal situation CDM can say they don't want ACT and ACT can still join if the other members do do not object. But we both know that Democracy is recently not CHADEMA's Strong suit.It just like to issue orders that must be obeyed because it's the biggest opposition party in Tanzania.

 

[Mwakalinga Bujo]

Wanaojua historia ya OAU na Morocco na mgogoro wa Sahara Magharibi watakumbuka alichowaambia Nyerere viongozi wenzie wa OAU wakati ule.Nchi ya Morocco ilikuwa inakataa kila maazimio ya OAU ikisisitiza Sahara Magharibi ni ardhi yake Viongozi wengi wakasema dawa ni kuifukuza Morocco OAU.Nyerere alipinga na hoja kubwa ilikuwa ukishaifukuza Morocco then what? utawezaje kuidhibiti wakati sio member wako tena?si unaipa uhuru wa kufanya lolote? nguvu ya kidhibiti Morocco ni only kama Morocco ni member wa OAU...otherwise akishakuwa sio member hatalazimika tena kuisikiliza OAU.Viongozi hawakusikia the rest is history..mgogoro haujaisha hadi leo..Ni kama ile hadithi ya mtoto anaekojoa sebuleni halafu unamfukuza anaenda kusimama nje anakojoa mkojo akitokea nje kupitia dirishani unaingia sebuleni tena...hujafanya kitu labda uongee na huyo mtoto ujue analilia nini labda kuna pipi tu karibu akipewa its done...Kuelekea Uchaguzi 2015 CHADEMA now ndio chama cha upinzani chenye nguvu kuna UKAWA ambapo CHADEMA ndio wenye nguvu zaidi na sauti zaidi...Sasa ingawa CHADEMA wanashikilia msimamo wao ambao ni very 'radical' wa kutoongea na Zitto na kuwaitaACT 'wasaliti' ukweli ni kwamba njia rahisi ya kuidhibiti ACT ni kuongea nao na kujua hasa 'wanataka nini' na kuwapa masharti ya kujiunga na UKAWA na vinginevyo ACT wanaweza kabisa 'kukojoa kutokea dirishani' na the rest ikawa historia.ACT ikiwa ndani ya UKAWA ..CHADEMA watakuwa na uhakika wa baadhi ya viti vya ubunge watu kama Tundu Lissu,Mbowe na Halima Mdee watapata 'nafuu' ya kupambana na CCM only kuikataa ACT ni kuwaruhusu ACT waweke wagombea wao wa ubunge kwa Lissu,Mdee,Mbowe na wote wenginesio lazima hao wagombea washinde..lakini wanaweza kugawa kura...the rest will be history.Najua wapo watu ndani ya CHADEMA wana obsession ya kummaliza Zitto....tatizo ni kwamba 'no one knows the future' .....watu wenye akili hukubali ku negotiate when they have power and are strong watu wajinga huenda ku negotiate wakiwa wameshashindwa au kujeruhiwa.CHADEMA now they have power....wasisubiri kujeruhiwa.

Kwa mara ya kwanza nimeona umeandika mambo yaliyonishangaza na kunistaajabisha " Kweli ni wewe ama kuna mtu ameiba ID yako???????"Zitto ana nguvu gani ya kuweka mgombea Ubungo ashindane na J. Mnyika!! Umetumia vigezo gani kutuaminisha hiyo nguvu ya Zitto kupambana na Mdee,Lissu nk! 1.Unafuatilia kweli idadi ya kura wanazopata CDM wanaoshinda dhidi ya wapinzani wao?.2. Kwanini usiweke karata yako kwamba Zitto atabeba kura ambazo zitaifanya CCM isishinde ,mwishowe wakashinda CDM,NCCR ama CUF?Post yako imejaa mahaba na mifano isiyo na uhalisia ,Morroco ni nchi si mtu mmoja. Zitto wa mwaka 2007&2008 sio huyo unayetaka kuwaaminisha watu leo humu. Fuatilia Post za Humu JF ,Je kuna mtu aliyemwandika ZItto Negative ama kumkosoa humu JF miaka hiyo hususani Members waliokuwa na mtazamo wa kiupizani?. Zitto alipingwa na wana CCM si Wana CDM,CUF ama NCCR. Leo hii anasifiwa na wana CCM anapingwa na wana CDM,CUF na NCCR then unatuaminisha Zitto ana nguvu zaidi ya Taasisi!!!! Something must b wrong!Zitto unayemzungumzia ni ambaye kura zake zilipungua mwaka 2010 ukilinganisha na kura alizopata 2005, ama hili umesahau ? Mahaba niue!Taasisi ni taasisi na mtu ni mtu ,Ulichoniaminisha hapa ni kwamba ZITTO ndiye aliyesababisha Lissu akapata ubunge kule Singida ,Mdee akapata Ubunge Kawe, Lemma akapata ubunge kule Arusha , Mbowe akapata ubunge kule Hai na Wenje akapata Ubunge kule Mwanza. Hukuishia hapo unazidi kutudanganya eti kwakua Zitto ameanzisha ACT ,Sugu kule Mbeya hatapata tena ubunge !!!!! Jipange upya kaka mkubwa , umenistaajabisha sana . Zitto ni mchumia tumbo na mfa maji haachi kutapatapa.

 

[Kimweri]

Kimweri sawa labda chadema walifanyakosa. Lakini mbona hoja zako kam zinaelemea upande mmoja. Unatkakusema Zitto hanarole katikayote yaliyokuwa yanandelea? Je nini ya Zitt ktika kusawazisha mambo km kweli alikuwa ndamira njema? Unataka kuniambia Zitto hajui ni mambo gani ambao yanaleta migogoro kwenye vyama vya siasa? Yaani kambaitto yeye ni km mtoto kila anacholilia apewe kwa sababu ni maarufu. Role ya Zito katika kuhakiksha hasabishi mitafaruku katika chama ni nini? Mwambieni ukweli kwamba na yeye km alikuwa kweli ana nia njema hakupaswa kuwa chanzo cha mitafaruku ktk chama.

Kiongozi mwenye busara anapaswa kuwa na uwezo wa kuforesee mambo yenye potential ya kuleta mizozo nakutafuta njia bora zaidi ya kufikia ambitions zake bila kuathiri afya ya taasisi!

Sijasema Zitto hana makosa, makosa ya Zitto yameshajadiliwa humu ndani kwa mapana na marefu. Tulimshauri apunguze munkari akae meza moja na wenzie hakusikia/haikuwezekana.

Either way sikuona kama alikuwa na choice baada ya Lissu kumdiscount publicly kuwa amefukuzwa CHADEMA huku Mnyika akiwa pembeni yake, yani it was as if ilikuwa mahakama inasubiriwa Zito afukuzwe, hakukuwa na room ya negotiation tena.

Lakini, yote hayo ni yaliyopita, as far as am concerned toka ZItto afukuzwe, sioni makosa ambayo amefanya kwani sio tena mwanachama wa CDM wala hawajibiki kwa mbowe. Anaweza kuhamia IKULU and it's none of CDM's business.

Toka Zitto aende ACT, makosa mengi yamekuwa upande wa CDM, wao wanaendeleza amri tuu, kama vile Zitto ni mwanachama wao. You can not control Zitto wakati umeshamfukuza.

Sasa unavyoanza kusema Role ya Zitto kuhakikisha haleti mitafaruku CHADEMA unachanganya madawa. Hiyo ni kazi ya Mbowe na Slaa.

Kama bado unataka tujadili Zitto sijui hakwenda kwenye M4C, nadhani hutakruka kimanga nikikukumbusha tujadili kuwa CHADEMA iliwatimua kina KAFULILA, na iliwadhihaki CUF. See where am coming from?

 

[yero]

It's Because CUF and NCCR were mature enough to realise politics is not a zero sum game. You can choose negative tactics or postive ones and it saddens me that CDM has chosen the negative part. And even bigger hypocrysis will come when CCM applies negative tactics and CDM cry wolf. Remember how CDM used to complain when CCM related CDM to violence, CUF to religious ties and other negative stuffs?we both denounced CCM for that. Majority of Tanzanians don't like negativity & Violence if CDM ever realizes this they will win elections so easily.
You seriously can not have your cake and eat it. If CHADEMA Succeeds in having a cake an eat it, it sure will become a textbook example. But be wise and remember, if it's too good to be true, it probably ain't so.


CCM hasn't said anything positive about CDM or UKAWA since their inception.


Majority of threasd started by CHADEMA bigwigs here to denounce ACT simply says otherwise.Worse even CDM officials like Tumaini Makene has fallen into this trap. I could say loud noise makers like Yericko just write about ACT for the sake of it, but when CDM director of PR comes out in full attack of ACT, it pretty much sums up the mood in CDM. That was a mistake.


Every CDM member or follower has his/her opinion about every issue.


About CDM beliefs in UKAWA, you keep contradicting yourself, you just said CDM asked UKAWA members to denounce Zitto, now you are claiming CDM is not forcing its agenda, see the contradiction here? you sound like World Bank telling the government to not pick an inside contractor to run BRT, then the same World Bank saying it's not meddling in Tanzania internal affairs. Choose to have a cake or eat it buddy.

As for UKAWA members being equal, you already contradicted yourself below by claiming CDM is the biggest party.what says of CUF that actually has an incumbent VP and ministers in Zanzibar?/facepalm


Any issue brought by a member of UKAWA is discussed and reached into conclusion by all members. CDM is working with all partners of UKAWA on equal partner basis.


And this is exactly CDM mistakes, Zitto ni m*vi ya kale CHADEMA. he is a nobody there at the moment. is CCM making a fus of Dr. Slaa because he used to be their member?is TLP making such fus because LEMA used to be with them?what about NCCR with Tundu Lisu? see a pattern here? politicians have a choice to work anywhere they like. just like you do not expect your past employer to keep yapping about you to your new employer.
In red i have addressed that as an interference of UKAWA running intended to instil CDM influence over other members.


Significant disagreements in one member party are discussed by all members in terms of ‘cause and effect' analysis. UKAWA also conducts SWOT analysis of political environment in Tanzania.


I seriously won't make references to Mbowe-Zitto Saga about CHADEMA chairmanship. Have you forgotten what happened, when Zitto ill-advisedly announced the running for Chairmanship back in 2009? It coincides perfectly well with the timeframe Zitto began to be toxic in CDM. we have been here observing quietly, how Zitto changed from the prodigy son to an outsider deserving of all bad names. I remember in the running to 2010 general election, Dr. Slaa proudly told every Tanzanian that Half of TISS are reporting to HIM!!Nobody is calling Slaa a Traitor. Imagine Zitto saying that!Same Zitto has been blamed by CDM to work with TISS, simply because he had allegedly been in contact with Zoka. Now If the first premise of Half CDM reporting to Slaa, didn't that make a certain percentage report to Zitto as he was Slaa number 2?see the mudslinging?So either Slaa was telling every Tanzanian a Lie, and no TISS was reporting to Him, or Zitto was innocent, simply because TISS was actually working with CDM through the patry secretary office, in which Zitto was a deputy. I keep saying this, CHADEMA has some good moments but way to many flaws and contradictions. Some of us have dedicated quite sometime trying to straighten the ship through social commentary, but all falls on deaf ears.

The fact in red is another contradiction i see CDM using to hide their blunders!! for whatever reason, HUKUMU ya Zitto ilipelekwa mbele ili awahi kufukuzwa!!Zitto angeendelea Kuwa CDM hadi leo hii ACT ingekuwa a no big deal party. mara baada ya kumfukuza kwa nderemo na vifijo as evidenced by your chief whip Tundu Lissu celebratory Tweets and media comentary with Mnyika by his side, they all proudly said ZITTO was NO LONGER a CDM member!!funny enough they were all wrong!since parliamentary and party procedures were not followed. If i were Zitto at that point i wouldn't force to be in CDM and an alternative political party was his only choice.CDM still had a chance to keep Zitto Dormant for as long as possible even with active mediation. this could have bought CHADEMA a lot of time to foucs on elections. Instead you thought he was as disposable as Mwigamba and such. Well you learned a hard lesson, and now you are back complaining ACT being sent by CCM while You are the one who created this monster from the get go. You can spread such cojones to your simpletons but not to anyone who followed closely what was going on


A lot has been said about Zitto and I think I don't have anything new to say. His chapter is closed in CDM. The party's eye is on the future.


I think Zitto has moved on, and i haven't heard him discuss about his conflict with CDM,and he has consistently said all is behind with him. Where is this Zitto trying to clean himself up come from?
CDM is not the first party to see the unprofessional side of our police force. Thi started a while back, from Mrema days When all we were listening on his rallies were mabomu, mabomu!we called him mzee wa mabomu? you don't remember that?well probably you weren't around the political scene then.
Regardless of what you think of me, i will never advice anyone to demonstrate against a police force that is politically influenced by CCM, and expect professional police handling. Violence and demonstrations are choices people make. Seen any CUF demonstration lately?well guess what , they learned the hard way that being Ngangari with some one with a SMG is not the wisest of choices even if you are absolutely right. Ever heard a quote," i have a gun so am always right?". This is a problem with CDM, we have advised them so many times that taking CCm by force is counter productive. But well, some politicians just like the sound of a few people injured. The lives and blood of Tanzanians lost through political demonstrations are in the hands of CDM leaders and CCM. NO one can avoid the blame. You don't cry BOMB in a US bound flight and expect civil reaction.
Any rulling party anywhere would like to preserve their power, the same way Mbowe and CDM bigwigs are fighting ACT to keep their dominant position. Power is one of the worst thing that you can give to a human being. When you deal with a person with power, you have to be extra smart otherwise you bare all the consequences.


History tells us that those who use power to suppress others always fail. The power grows when used wisely. Those who cling to power through deceit and silencing of opposition are on the wrong side of history.


Problem is you have not provided any evidence. Ever heard of indisputable evidence? I am a veteran Professional Engineer with loads of experience in communication systems, when i tell you those emails are a joke i am absolutely 100% sure in what i am talking about.

Give me your email now and i will send you loads of emails from JK, OBAMA and any worldwide figure you might think of on top of your hear.There is a reason we use end to end encryption in workplaces to secure emails, because more often than not man in the middle attack can intercept communication between two individuals without them ever know what is going on. I suggest you watch Citizen 4 to understand the concept of privacy, security and the lengths Snowden went thorugh to make sure that he was communicating with who he thought he was communicating with.
I couldn't find an easier way to explain why those emails are ---- but this explains in layman terms what

http://www.carmelowalsh.com/wp-conte...15/03/mitm.png
What Those Emails that CDM claims are related to ZITTO and such can be created by softwares downloaded for free on the internet.

see here

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...OFED-EMAIL.jpg

I am appalled that an educated person would fall for such simple tricks.., so how many $$$ have you send to those Nigerian princes so far stuck with inheritance they can't claim?

You can bullshit me about a lot of things but NEVER bullshit me on Communication Systems.EVER


Zitto's chapter is closed, there is nothing more for me to say.


Good. I am frustrated that when CCM was at their lowest lows, All the opposition could focus on were petty issues. CCM chased Moyo, do you see JK (CCM Chairman) giving rallies denouncing him?do you see them asking other parties to deny him podium?do you see each and every CCM supporter diarrhea-ing all the petty things about him? You see? Right there is the difference between CDM and CCM. One is a mature party and another one keeps making rookie mistakes.

Although CDM would have been better without kicking him out,and found a way to work with him, I personally support Zitto getting kicked out of CDM for i think the differences in Opinions grew so wide at the end. What i do not support is CDM behavior on the matter.


Zitto's chapter has been closed in CHADEMA, I have nothing new to say.


Call me independent. Call me someone tired of CCM but not impressed by any of our parties. I am a very hard to please chap. If you don't like that that's not my problem.


I am not looking to please you.


I am thinking absolutely straight. This situation has gotten to this point because Mbowe believed he was superior to Zitto and Zitto thought he was not inferior to Mbowe, reason for Zitto wanting to vie for CDM chairmanship. If you think CDM did not make a single mistake or do something they should not have done with regards to handling of their former senior leader who had worked hard for CDM for 2 decades then you are an example of everything that is wrong at CDM now.

Everyone there thinks they are Angels who are never wrong, and it's their way or the highway. Unfortunately, i have known a few chaps from Kigoma, and i don't know what it is, but people from Kigoma absolutely don't like to back down.Especially when they know they are right. I was surprised Zitto offered the apology and put the past behind him. In politics that was 1 to Zitto and 0 to CDM whether you agree or not.


Zitto's chapter is closed, I don't have any statement that hasn't been said.


That's not how coalitions work,in an ideal situation CDM can say they don't want ACT and ACT can still join if the other members do do not object. But we both know that Democracy is recently not CHADEMA's Strong suit.It just like to issue orders that must be obeyed because it's the biggest opposition party in Tanzania.

That's not true.

 

[MANILABHONA]

Chama kikuu cha upinzani sasa hivi ni CUF na siyo CDM . CDM hata walie vipi ACT haiwezi kufanya nao kazi labda mwenyekiti wao aondoke na genge lake la matapeli

 

[Kimweri]

CCM hasn't said anything positive about CDM or UKAWA since their inception.

It's the ruling party-case closed.

Every CDM member or follower has his/her opinion about every issue.

Yet Zitto Opinions label him a traitor, i do not see variety of opinion. Reminds me of Mao time when he had the "liang ma shi" law which loosely translated, anything i say is the law.This is CHADEMA now, it's an opinion as long as it does not upset Mbowe and Slaa, and the inner circle.
Sometimes i think i am to blame for over-estimating CDM commitment to democracy and real change, as of late i can't tell CDM from any ruling party in Africa. Bureaucratic and fascists at best.This has to change.

Any issue brought by a member of UKAWA is discussed and reached into conclusion by all members. CDM is working with all partners of UKAWA on equal partner basis.

So they want everyone to believe that. It will hep matters kama wakiacha uropokaji.

Significant disagreements in one member party are discussed by all members in terms of ‘cause and effect' analysis. UKAWA also conducts SWOT analysis of political environment in Tanzania.

Finally you have agreed disagreements may present in UKAWA, good. I was beginning to wonder if i was dealing with a classic denial type.So if there is a conflict resolution process, i foresee transparency and democracy not fiefdoms and chiefdoms.

A lot has been said about Zitto and I think I don't have anything new to say. His chapter is closed in CDM. The party's eye is on the future.

You want to close a chapter about Zitto yet whenever i ask of Zitto's mistakes they are all in the past. How can CHADEMA have a vendetta against past events it claims to have closed a chapter about?or is it because i spoke too close to the truth?This is a huge problem in CHADEMA, most are not used to an open debate where individual points are raised and countered.If i unearth old CDM blunder you run for the hills and claim peace with the past. BUT when i argue ACT and Zitto to be incorporated in UKAWA you dig out the past and stack it against Zitto. That is one confused stand to take?do you get where i come from?

History tells us that those who use power to suppress others always fail. The power grows when used wisely. Those who cling to power through deceit and silencing of opposition are on the wrong side of history.

Very true, and i can assure you this holds true even for opposition party leaders. Mbowe, Slaa and the like are not unique or spared of history. In Tanzania, we had NCCR before that failed in the same trap. Leaders thinking they are demigods is not the something new in Tanzania politics, i personally will speak against such behavior anywhere i see it. Even if Zitto becomes a power huger down the road, you will see me attack him with the same ferociousness.
This ferocity i display is similar to the one i used to defend CDM against unfairness it faced from CDM before 2010. But since CDM has become the big fish, it's the one pushing down the small guys.pathetic.

Problem is you have not provided any evidence. Ever heard of indisputable evidence? I am a veteran Professional Engineer with loads of experience in communication systems, when i tell you those emails are a joke i am absolutely 100% sure in what i am talking about.

Give me your email now and i will send you loads of emails from JK, OBAMA and any worldwide figure you might think of on top of your hear.There is a reason we use end to end encryption in workplaces to secure emails, because more often than not man in the middle attack can intercept communication between two individuals without them ever know what is going on. I suggest you watch Citizen 4 to understand the concept of privacy, security and the lengths Snowden went thorugh to make sure that he was communicating with who he thought he was communicating with.
I couldn't find an easier way to explain why those emails are ---- but this explains in layman terms what

http://www.carmelowalsh.com/wp-conte...15/03/mitm.png
What Those Emails that CDM claims are related to ZITTO and such can be created by softwares downloaded for free on the internet.

see here

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...OFED-EMAIL.jpg

I am appalled that an educated person would fall for such simple tricks.., so how many $$$ have you send to those Nigerian princes so far stuck with inheritance they can't claim?

You can bullshit me about a lot of things but NEVER bullshit me on Communication Systems.EVER


Zitto's chapter is closed, there is nothing more for me to say.

Trust me when i tell you, you are not the first one to run for the hills, after coming here with lame excuses of proof of accusations. one thing about accusations is they are easy to throw around but very hard to stand scrutiny. JUTS one single counter argument from me, and you are already seeking to close a chapter you opened yourself. Prove to me authenticity of those emails, show me unquestionable trace-route, unquestionable Public key belonging to any of the senders, or at the very list a MAC address of the machine used to send those emails, along with other important headers, then i will be the BIGGEST supporter of your accusations. DO NOT bring lame accusations on the table and expect i swallow them as they are. NO, that will not happen.
Ukichukua uzushi wa ajabu ajabu ukaenda nao kijiwe cha kahawa, kila mtu atauamini bila kuhakikisha kwanza, ndio hulka ya binadamu wengi ilivyo. tabu ipo ukikutana na kina Tomaso Kimweri wenye maswali mengi.

To preserve your integrity i am strictly asking for authenticity of those emails please. Otherwise, you are exactly the type that JK and team made that crapy of a cybercrime bill for. Yani watu mnakera. Jambo huna ujuzi nalo, unafowardiwa kwenye email au social media na wewe wageuka kama chiriku vile,unalazimisha kwa wengine ndio ukweli. What happened to critical thinking?

Now you have realized you are dealing with a no easy to lie to person, you bring the Chapter is closed Gospel. Where was this gospel when you opened that old chapter of rumors?DO you see the HIGHEST level of hypocrisy here? This is exactly what irks me so much.

Zitto's chapter has been closed in CHADEMA, I have nothing new to say.

I am not looking to please you.


Zitto's chapter is closed, I don't have any statement that hasn't been said.[/QUOTE]

I see you have run out of counter arguments.Good.., the only problem is the same person who claims Zitto Chapter is Closed in CDM is the person who was busy trying to convince everyone here that emails that can be sent by an automated programs just a few comments back, came from Zitto. You were digging the past, while you are now claiming that past is closed? isn't that too much contradiction coming from one person?

If Zitto Chapter in CDM is closed then deal with him as a party leader of ACT, sio Msaliti wa CDM, kwani Usaliti wa Zitto as far as am concerned lied in the past.If Usaliti is your argument to fight Zitto now, then my friend you are stuck in the past.

That's not true.

It looks like one, It walks like one, it sure is one..., Don't pretend there is so much democracy in CDM when all we see are moves that makes Putin look like a Democracy Saint.