Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

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tukio la kuhuzunisha toka kenya(middle income country).
nimelia baada ya kusoma habari hii.

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TheStark said:
Without radial planning it is hard to have a workable plan. Even if you create city blocks there will be straight lines.. Creating two city blocks will have longer city blocks. The way we have in Kenya. When Dar develops as a city people will be pushed out of the city center because of the demand for office space. I think Dar is yet to reach this place
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Dsm City...

The CBD.. Kariakoo Magogoni, Kisutu, Upanga... Now it does extend to include Uhuru road corridor ( ilala to buguruni ie mwl plaza, nssf etc) Morogoro rd corridor ( Magomeni to ubungo ie ubungo plaza..) Bagamoyo rd Corridor ( Ada Estate Part of Masaki Mikocheni Kijitonyama ie Millennium Towers..derm house .Vodacom HQ.. .Tigo HQ .Halotel HQ. airtel HQ. Kenya embassy... )

Other upcoming commercial business districts are ubungo-mwenge corridor.. Mwai kibaki corridor ... Tabata segerea.. Kinondoni rd corridor, Tegeta , Mbagala and masaki.. All these areas are now filled with office blocks...commercial properties

What I have been trying to say all along is ..despite the fact that zoning is great.. But putting everything in one zone as proved to be less productive... If all you have a zone for office towers.. What happen to that zone after office hours?!.. You need a balance in land uses to make a place vibrant..

In dar there are zones the only issue here is we break the rules sometimes ..and it's fun you can see or feel it...At the edge of chaos.. is genius. ..

You have to let people go wild then regulate.. That's what makes Rome, Paris and Zanzibar that fun... Its a mix of both.. Narrow streets that defies laws of urban designs... Yet fascinating.. Nakwambia bro.. There is no fun doing it like everybody else.. It's memorable if its personalized... And this is how we do it..

As said earlier by (I am Lee) a Kenyan brother.. It's true unplanned settlement is an issue even in dar.. And I agree. But our problem has changed in recent years because we used a personalized approach..

We Educate our population... Now they know they even contributed to hire private practitioners to help them plan their neighborhoods... Its a big step... And it does cost way less..if compared to imposed unhabitat measures... Which will leave you in debts at the very end

Now more land is being surveyed in return poor people now they have assurance.. And can now build better homes on their plots.. Or acquired loans to start businesses... That's how (I think) you curb poorly planned settlement.. After people are fed and have guarantee of their tommorow..they become true patriots.. Plundering and looting won't be much of an issue in upcoming major projects.. No squatting. No more poor planning.
 
kadoda11 said:
tukio la kuhuzunisha toka kenya(middle income country).
nimelia baada ya kusoma habari hii.

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Kwa vitu kama hivi tunasimama na ndugu zetu. Huu sio ubinadamu. Mungu Amlipe sawa sawa na Mapenzi yake.
 
Kamukhm said:
Dsm City...

The CBD.. Kariakoo Magogoni, Kisutu, Upanga... Now it does extend to include Uhuru road corridor ( ilala to buguruni ie mwl plaza, nssf etc) Morogoro rd corridor ( Magomeni to ubungo ie ubungo plaza..) Bagamoyo rd Corridor ( Ada Estate Part of Masaki Mikocheni Kijitonyama ie Millennium Towers..derm house .Vodacom HQ.. .Tigo HQ .Halotel HQ. airtel HQ. Kenya embassy... )

Other upcoming commercial business districts are ubungo-mwenge corridor.. Mwai kibaki corridor ... Tabata segerea.. Kinondoni rd corridor, Tegeta , Mbagala and masaki.. All these areas are now filled with office blocks...commercial properties

What I have been trying to say all along is ..despite the fact that zoning is great.. But putting everything in one zone as proved to be less productive... If all you have a zone for office towers.. What happen to that zone after office hours?!.. You need a balance in land uses to make a place vibrant..

In dar there are zones the only issue here is we break the rules sometimes ..and it's fun you can see or feel it...At the edge of chaos.. is genius. ..

You have to let people go wild then regulate.. That's what makes Rome, Paris and Zanzibar that fun... Its a mix of both.. Narrow streets that defies laws of urban designs... Yet fascinating.. Nakwambia bro.. There is no fun doing it like everybody else.. It's memorable if its personalized... And this is how we do it..

As said earlier by (I am Lee) a Kenyan brother.. It's true unplanned settlement is an issue even in dar.. And I agree. But our problem has changed in recent years because we used a personalized approach..

We Educate our population... Now they know they even contributed to hire private practitioners to help them plan their neighborhoods... Its a big step... And it does cost way less..if compared to imposed unhabitat measures... Which will leave you in debts at the very end

Now more land is being surveyed in return poor people now they have assurance.. And can now build better homes on their plots.. Or acquired loans to start businesses... That's how (I think) you curb poorly planned settlement.. After people are fed and have guarantee of their tommorow..they become true patriots.. Plundering and looting won't be much of an issue in upcoming major projects.. No squatting. No more poor planning.
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the problem with you Tanzanians is too much talk with minimal input....na hampendi ukweli.mkiambiwa mnakasirika mnaanza matusi na fitina........I repeat it to you to wake up and start fixing your Dar.......you have extremely large areas of your city covered in archaic dwelings but how you don't see it still baffles me to date.......you even seem not to be having a reasonable middle class in your city coz of those funny structures covering most of your city......you may fool us with those few selected fine spots but it's good to look at the bigger picture .....
 
El Matador said:
the problem with you Tanzanians is too much talk with minimal input....na hampendi ukweli.mkiambiwa mnakasirika mnaanza matusi na fitina........I repeat it to you to wake up and start fixing your Dar.......you have extremely large areas of your city covered in archaic dwelings but how you don't see it still baffles me to date.......you even seem not to be having a reasonable middle class in your city coz of those funny structures covering most of your city......you may fool us with those few selected fine spots but it's good to look at the bigger picture .....
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Nonsense of the year 2017😀😀
 
El Matador said:
the problem with you Tanzanians is too much talk with minimal input....na hampendi ukweli.mkiambiwa mnakasirika mnaanza matusi na fitina........I repeat it to you to wake up and start fixing your Dar.......you have extremely large areas of your city covered in archaic dwelings but how you don't see it still baffles me to date.......you even seem not to be having a reasonable middle class in your city coz of those funny structures covering most of your city......you may fool us with those few selected fine spots but it's good to look at the bigger picture .....
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El Matador... Ndugu yangu! Nikawa nawaza upo wapi?! Hope Sunday was great.

You said it all! But again we are not angry.. We only want you to.understand us.. Just like we make an effort understand you...

Dar slams yes.. Kibera big slam yes. (Facts) ila our approach is way better.. We don't make gated communities... So for the structure to be better everywhere you turn the per capita of Dar has to be risen... And that's where our focus is currently.

Improving the livelihood of our people so they can build better homes.. Homes of their dreams. Hiyo ndio tunataka..towards sustainable development.

Ni Alfajiri..
Kwa Taifa Kuu na Teule la Tanzania.
(The age of awakening)
 
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