Vipaji maalum si lolote, si chochote

[ub16]

Wewe umesoma shule za vipaji maalum? Kama ndiyo, je, wewe una kipaji maalum?

Ubishi wako umekuwa hauna maana tena! Si tumesema usage of "vipaji" is misleading, but the concept of academically gifted students ni sahihi.

Mi nimesoma Kibaha boys and before I answer your question about nina kipaji gani naomba unijibu mtazamo wako hapa, UD na Tumaini university zipo sawa? Au Harvard na UD zipo sawa?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Ubishi wako umekuwa hauna maana tena! Si tumesema usage of "vipaji" is misleading, but the concept of academically gifted students ni sahihi.

Wewe hujanielewa kabisa na pengine huna hata brain power ya kunielewa. Nani kabisha kuwa hakuna watu walio intellectually gifted? Hadi mifano ya video za watoto walio intellectually gifted nimetoa. Watu walio gifted intellectually wapo. Na mtoto mwenye miaka 13 aliye chuo kikuu huyo ni wazi yuko intellectually gifted. Nani atabisha huo ukweli?

Mimi ninachohoji hapa ni identification method iliyokuwa inatumiwa na NECTA or whoever else that was ambaye alikuwa anaamua kuwa huyu ana kipaji maalum na huyu hana.

Nakataa kutumia matokeo ya final exam kutumika ku-identify vipaji maalum. Nakataa kwa sababu hiyo siyo njia sahihi au njia iliyo bora ambayo kweli itaweza kuleta identification sahihi. Ndiyo maana huko nyuma nikahoji kwamba endapo mwanafunzi tu mwenye intellect ya kawaida lakini mwenye bidii na juhudi ikatokea akafanya vizuri kwenye finals zake, ina maana na yeye atachaguliwa kwenda kwenye shule ya wenye vipaji maalum kwa sababu ana kipaji maalum? Ikitokea hivyo huoni kama hiyo ni misidentification?

Sasa kipi hapo ambacho hukielewi au ambacho hakieleweki? Good grief!

 

[Askari wa miguu]

Ni nani mwingine humu ambaye kasoma moja ya hizo shule za "vipaji maalum"?

Kama yupo na ajitokeze nim-test kama kweli anacho hicho kipaji maalum lol.

Nitest mimi!
Vipaji maalum ni fair statement msibadili maana kisa mlisoma Benjamin Mkapa au somewhere else pa kawaida though I have to admit ni fair zaidi kuita vipaji maalum kwa Advanced level coz wote mnajua Ilboru, Kibaha na Mzumbe top 10 ya Advanced ni lazima na ndio maana kuna mpango wa kufuta vipaji maalum O-level maana utakuta mtu kaongoza wilaya yao huko Sengerema vijijini akawa top wilayani akaletwa Ilboru au Mzumbe lakini in reality kwa hzohzo marks zake angekuwa mjini kama Dar acngetokelezea hata 100 bora! Lakini kwa Advanced level selection criteria ni more strict huna ABB, AAA, au sometymz BBB kwenye Combination yako huendi special school!.tofauti yetu na nyie ni kwamba kwetu input is low but output is outstanding, ila huko kwenu Cjui Feza cjui Marian input is high and the output is fair, and there is where brains matter!, tusiwe waongeaji tu huu mfumo wa Special schools upo nchi kibao tu duniani na selection criteria ni kama hizihizi za huku Tanzania, tusiwe so -ve coz labda once in our lifetime tulichagua Ilboru, Kibaha au Mzumbe halaf tukatoswa sababu ya Marks ndogo, acheni hizo penye ukweli wekeni ukweli msiongee mambo under personal influence!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Nitest mimi!
Vipaji maalum ni fair statement msibadili maana kisa mlisoma Benjamin Mkapa au somewhere else pa kawaida though I have to admit ni fair zaidi kuita vipaji maalum kwa Advanced level coz wote mnajua Ilboru, Kibaha na Mzumbe top 10 ya Advanced ni lazima na ndio maana kuna mpango wa kufuta vipaji maalum O-level maana utakuta mtu kaongoza wilaya yao huko Sengerema vijijini akawa top wilayani akaletwa Ilboru au Mzumbe lakini in reality kwa hzohzo marks zake angekuwa mjini kama Dar acngetokelezea hata 100 bora! Lakini kwa Advanced level selection criteria ni more strict huna ABB, AAA, au sometymz BBB kwenye Combination yako huendi special school!.tofauti yetu na nyie ni kwamba kwetu input is low but output is outstanding, ila huko kwenu Cjui Feza cjui Marian input is high and the output is fair, and there is where brains matter!, tusiwe waongeaji tu huu mfumo wa Special schools upo nchi kibao tu duniani na selection criteria ni kama hizihizi za huku Tanzania, tusiwe so -ve coz labda once in our lifetime tulichagua Ilboru, Kibaha au Mzumbe halaf tukatoswa sababu ya Marks ndogo, acheni hizo penye ukweli wekeni ukweli msiongee mambo under personal influence!

Lol :caked:

 

[Askari wa miguu]

Na mie nimesoma so called special school. I can't judge if i'm special or not. Majority ilikuwa bidii ndo imewafikisha pale. I can say i observed one i think she is very special.

What makes u special ni hiyohiyo bidii yako ndugu! Sasa ww ulitakaje cjui?
Acha kuwa intimidatted na hz post za hawa jamaa, kama ulikuwa special school that means u were special kwa namna fulani kuliko wao, ingawa hata wao ni special kwa namna yao labda kwenye sports lakini too special school hyo cyo criteria, ww ulikuwa tested kwa criteria za Tz ukaonekana special so usianze kutokwa povu mara ooh am not sure if I waz special or not!!!v seriously umenishangaza sana, wewe utakua ULIPIGA CHABO

 

[ub16]

Wewe hujanielewa kabisa na pengine huna hata brain power ya kunielewa. Nani kabisha kuwa hakuna watu walio intellectually gifted? Hadi mifano ya video za watoto walio intellectually gifted nimetoa. Watu walio gifted intellectually wapo. Na mtoto mwenye miaka 13 aliye chuo kikuu huyo ni wazi yuko intellectually gifted. Nani atabisha huo ukweli?

Mimi ninachohoji hapa ni identification method iliyokuwa inatumiwa na NECTA or whoever else that was ambaye alikuwa anaamua kuwa huyu ana kipaji maalum na huyu hana.

Nakataa kutumia matokeo ya final exam kutumika ku-identify vipaji maalum. Nakataa kwa sababu hiyo siyo njia sahihi au njia iliyo bora ambayo kweli itaweza kuleta identification sahihi. Ndiyo maana huko nyuma nikahoji kwamba endapo mwanafunzi tu mwenye intellect ya kawaida lakini mwenye bidii na juhudi ikatokea akafanya vizuri kwenye finals zake, ina maana na yeye atachaguliwa kwenda kwenye shule ya wenye vipaji maalum kwa sababu ana kipaji maalum? Ikitokea hivyo huoni kama hiyo ni misidentification?

Sasa kipi hapo ambacho hukielewi au ambacho hakieleweki? Good grief!

Mi naamini criteria tunayotumia ni sahihi kulingana na kiwango cha maendeleo ya nchi yetu na vigezo vyetu ambavyo ni marks za juu AAA, AAB, and to my knowledge almost everyone going to these school has a history of doing good in the schools they come from. And sorry for misunderstanding you, I overlooked one of your posts. But if you get over it and replace "vipaji maalum" with what you think suits best like "intellectually/academically gifted" which is more correct then this discussion would have been over.

 

[moesy]

Scandalous....ina maana kumbe mlikuwa mnapewa paper kiaina?

huo ndio ukweli, siku zote paper zilikuwa zinatoka kwa special school atleast 75% of exams at least 3 months before exams, kwa 2012 hakuna paper iliyotoka kwa special school,fanya kautafitikako ka kina then utaniprove wrong.

 

[Capt Tamar]

I agree 100% with u, Can't put it any better than that, you nailed it mkuu. Na hapa jamaa wana-act like hawaelewi, the concept of academically gifted students is everywhere duniani along side other forms of "gifted" what Ngabu na wenzake use ni ufinyu wa kiswahili kukosa misamiati sahihi na kutumia "vipaji maalum" which is technically right but kwa uchache wa kiswahili "vipaji" is a very wide term.

Pia umetoa mifano mizuri sana, but people will argue for the sake of arguing tu. To appreciate special schools you need to have gone through them.

Ojwalla!! You are hanged yourself to N ngabu's grip[/quote] To appreciate special schools you need to have gone through them.[/QUOTE]you mean once you enter the school compound at the 1st place,you are gifted!!but comes out barehands (almost like any other un-gifted fellas in the streets)

 

[ub16]

Ojwalla!! You are hanged yourself to N ngabu's grip

To appreciate special schools you need to have gone through them.[/QUOTE]you mean once you enter the school compound at the 1st place,you are gifted!!but comes out barehands (almost like any other un-gifted fellas in the streets)[/QUOTE]

Not really, you can appreciate them as an outsider but you get to see them better as an insider. And rarely people walk in smart and walk out dumb.

 

[Abelm]

2013 Tanzania Form IV results


Abel Manumbu


The dismal form four results are wakeup call for the nation to what many parents since the early nineties had already figured out. The education system in Tanzania was not cutting it to say the least, so parent opted to ship their children to Uganda, Kenya and elsewhere for the glimmers of hope those education systems provided. Really the advantage then was the fact that the language of instruction from pre-school to A level in these countries remained the same providing a uniform and consistent platform on which every educator aimed to build on. Whereas in Tanzania students at the age of 12 to 14 had to change to English as a language of instruction after more than 7 years of Kiswahili you can imagine the pain. I attended one term of Tanzania secondary school education before I returned to Uganda and that experience was eye opening. I saw brilliant students struggling to comprehend information not because the content was difficult, but because the language was foreign. They were as much as learning English as they were learning new concepts of physics and biology.


But truly, there are bigger challenges with our education system than the language issue. I think this might be an opportunity in disguse. We now have an undisputable evidence that something is really wrong and a comprehensive solution is needed to put us back on track. First and foremost we need to evaluate how we train our educators and the resources we provide them. The fundamental question here is do we setup our teachers for success or for failure? We cannot expect miracles if our teachers are not well trained for whatever education environment they find themselves employed in. Equally we cannot expect excellence if we disproportionately underfund the education system.


Secondly we need adequate tools to assess how well the teachers are engaged in the process of developing these young minds. The intent here is to use such tools to better educators at what they do and not punish them for systemic failures. On the same token teachers need to have better tools to assess the progress of their students, identify those who need more help and those who need more intellectually challenging concepts so that everyone growths.


Thirdly, this has to be three legged approach with parents involved. Parents need to be equally assessing their children’s progress as they provide a conducive environment for learning while at home. I remember coming back home from Uganda for holidays with what we called holiday work which was due on the first day we returned to school and it was incumbent upon our parent to make sure we completed the work. You cannot have the child come home from school and be the maid or bread winner and expect rigorous participation in studies. In situation where this is identified as the case we need to devise means to help such students. Parents also need to encourage general learning at home (reading books etc), the task of develop our children’s minds cannot be left on the shoulder of educators alone it has to be a shared burden.


Finally, we have to look at the system overall and ask the question are we educating our students in a manner in which will make them contribute positively in a 21st century society on both a national and global level. In a nation where we barely have a chain of community libraries, but we buy hundreds of Land cruisers for public servants we have to ask ourselves if we are doing enough on education. We have to be both intentional and creative in the ways in which we educate our students if we are to be competitive as a nation.


Yes, something went really wrong with our students this year, and there is no better way to put it. Instead of getting ready to fire the whole ministry of education and send the failing student to Veta or JKT as some have suggested, we should be more responsible than that. “Kama ni basi bovu it does not matter who the driver is”. First, we should have an expert investigation conducted to uncover the systemic issue that have to be dealt with. Secondly, the implementation of results and solutions from this investigation should have the full backing of the whole government to ensure that the education ministry gets it right. Thirdly, we need to find a way to provide remedial courses for this year’s students I would hate to have them get lost in tertiary institutions because the system failed them. The option of a tertiary institution/ trade school should be a choice and not a destiny due to circumstances. Every student deserves a shot at university.

 

[HP1]

Labda ni vipaji maalum vya kuiba mitihani

 

[Yo Yo]

Ni nani mwingine humu ambaye kasoma moja ya hizo shule za "vipaji maalum"?

Kama yupo na ajitokeze nim-test kama kweli anacho hicho kipaji maalum lol.

Nimesoma vipaji maalum iam ready na test zako.

 

[Dar_Millionaire]

Vyuo gani ambavyo hutumia test za IQ kudahili watu - UDSM, Tumaini, UDOM? Na shule gani za sekondari ambazo hutumia hizo test kwenye udahili?

Je, hizo shule za vipaji maalum nazo hutumia IQ tests kwenye udahili?

Je, wewe umesoma shule za vipaji maalum? Kama ndiyo, je, wewe una kipaji maalum?

Halafu unasema hesabu za Marekani ni za kitoto? Unachekesha kweli wewe. Kama mambo ya kitoto yanaleta maendeleeo hivyo basi I'll take them on any given day compared na hesabu za kikubwa za kibongo....

Ila the idea kwamba kuna hesabu za kitoto ni idiotic kwa sababu hesabu ni hesabu tu...sidhani kuna kitu kama calculus za Kimarekani au trigonometry za Kibongo....funny.

Gabu nilifanya mtihani wa Matriculation kuingia UDSM. Huo mtihani was nothing more than an IQ test. Pia nilifanya matriculation ya kuingia shule ya private form 1, the test was nothing more than an IQ test.

Kwenye shule za vipaji maalum huwa hawatumii IQ tests kwa kuwa hizi ni shule za serikali wanatumia matokeo ya NECTA moja kwa moja. Sasa hapa usije ukauliza mbona UDSM wana matriculation, ilikuwaga mwaka huo ambapo ilikuwa kabla ya TCU na kila chuo kilikuwa na sera yake ya udahili. Siku hizi haipo tena TCU wanadahili na kupanga.

Yes nimesoma shule ya vipaji maalum. Kipaji nilichokuwa nacho ni cha kuelewa vitu haraka. Mambo mengi tulikuwa tunajisomea wenyewe vitabuni bila kufundishwa. Darasani unakwenda kujaza Attendance usije ukachapwa. Kwa ngazi ile tuliyekuwepo ndio kipaji maalum chenyewe hicho, ukichukulia kuna maelfu wengine ambao masomo hayo hayo walikuwa wanasoma lakini hawaelewi.

Nitakueleza utoto unakuja wapi. Tulipokuwa Form 5 na 6 tulikuwa tunasolve University Physics. Upo hapo? Hata wakati niko form one nilikuwa naangalia vitabu vya hesabu vya Wamarekani wa same level hesabu zao zilikuwa rahisi sana. Ila hiyo sio ishu ya msingi kwa sababu kila kitu kama nilivyosema kinategemea na malengo ya mtaala uliokubaliwa kwenye nchi husika.

 

[sun wu]

huo ndio ukweli, siku zote paper zilikuwa zinatoka kwa special school atleast 75% of exams at least 3 months before exams, kwa 2012 hakuna paper iliyotoka kwa special school,fanya kautafitikako ka kina then utaniprove wrong.

Mkuu hivi unataka kutuaminisha hivi.... ?, Pia lazima ujue kwamba Test ya kuitwa special inafanyika either la saba au form IV (ili kuingia form six au form one).

Pia mkuu majibu ya mitihani huwa kila mtu anayesoma anakuwa nayo.., kama unajua syllabus na kila kinachoulizwa kinatoka kwenye hizo syllabus you should know the format of exams before hand..., na mitihani yote huwa ni the same (formulas na format..) kinachobadilika ni lugha tu (tusitake ku-complicate issue).., Na since mitahani ndio the only measurement huwezi kusema wanaoshinda hizo measurement hawafai labda cha muhimu ni kuangalia ni vipi kipimo kinaweza kubadilishwa / kuboreshwa...,

Ila huwezi kusema vijana wote wa Tanzania wanao uelewa sawa (hata maiti zinazidiana kunuka..) na since kwenye hizi shule inabidi waende (creme de la creme...., ingawa wengi wakichaguliwa huwa hawaendi huko..), basi kwa vigezo vya Tanzania hizi shule ndio zina Top Performers, (and since they are Top Performance hence they are special in comparison with their counterparts) Na hawa vijana kutokana na ukosefu wa waalimu na vitabu mwisho wa siku unaweza ukakuta wanaingia wakiwa wazuri na kutoka wakiwa wabovu... (lack of nurturing)

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Nimesoma vipaji maalum iam ready na test zako.

Don't flatter yourself. Huna kipaji maalum.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Mi naamini criteria tunayotumia ni sahihi kulingana na kiwango cha maendeleo ya nchi yetu na vigezo vyetu ambavyo ni marks za juu AAA, AAB, and to my knowledge almost everyone going to these school has a history of doing good in the schools they come from.

Kama unaamini hivyo basi hamna neno maana ni imani yako tu. Na hiyo imani yako pengine yaweza pia kuelezea kwa nini sisi ikija kwenye medani za kimataifa (katika nyanja yoyote ile) hatuko renowned for anything. Not sports, not academics, not science, not medicine, not engineering, not literature, and the list is endless.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Gabu nilifanya mtihani wa Matriculation kuingia UDSM. Huo mtihani was nothing more than an IQ test.

IQ tests huwa zina scores zake. Sasa wewe IQ score yako ni ngapi? Kwa sababu kama ni college entrance test/exam tu basi hata mimi nimefanya na nikafaulu vizuri tu na sikuambiwa kwamba hiyo test/exam ilikuwa ni mahsusi kwa ajili ya kupima IQ yangu.

Pia nilifanya matriculation ya kuingia shule ya private form 1, the test was nothing more than an IQ test.

Hata mimi nilifanya pia na hizo tests si IQ tests. Unless unasema tu hivyo ili kujipa faraja.

Kwenye shule za vipaji maalum huwa hawatumii IQ tests kwa kuwa hizi ni shule za serikali wanatumia matokeo ya NECTA moja kwa moja.

Ndo hapo mi nasema kwamba kutumia tu hayo matokeo si njia sahihi ya kupima kama kweli mtu ana kipaji maalum au la kwa sababu mtu anaweza akawa na bidii ya kujisomea na akafanya vizuri kwenye mtihani lakini hiyo haimaanishi kwamba yeye kweli yuko gifted intellectually. Sijui hata kama unanielewa.

Sasa hapa usije ukauliza mbona UDSM wana matriculation, ilikuwaga mwaka huo ambapo ilikuwa kabla ya TCU na kila chuo kilikuwa na sera yake ya udahili. Siku hizi haipo tena TCU wanadahili na kupanga.

Hilo wala si jambo la ajabu maana hata huko nje ni vyuo vingi tu vyenye hizo entrance tests/exams.

Yes nimesoma shule ya vipaji maalum. Kipaji nilichokuwa nacho ni cha kuelewa vitu haraka.

What other bona fides do you have that establish that you have "kipaji maalum"?

Mambo mengi tulikuwa tunajisomea wenyewe vitabuni bila kufundishwa. Darasani unakwenda kujaza Attendance usije ukachapwa. Kwa ngazi ile tuliyekuwepo ndio kipaji maalum chenyewe hicho, ukichukulia kuna maelfu wengine ambao masomo hayo hayo walikuwa wanasoma lakini hawaelewi.

Hmm...haya bana. Kwa viwango vyangu hicho siyo kipaji maalum. Ni bidii, ari, na juhudi ambazo ukiongezea na akili tu za kawaida unaweza kabisa kufanya vizuri darasani.

Nitakueleza utoto unakuja wapi. Tulipokuwa Form 5 na 6 tulikuwa tunasolve University Physics. Upo hapo? Hata wakati niko form one nilikuwa naangalia vitabu vya hesabu vya Wamarekani wa same level hesabu zao zilikuwa rahisi sana. Ila hiyo sio ishu ya msingi kwa sababu kila kitu kama nilivyosema kinategemea na malengo ya mtaala uliokubaliwa kwenye nchi husika.

Haya bana...hesabu za Marekani ni za kitoto na za Tanzania ndo za ukweli na za kikubwa:second:.

 

[Capt Tamar]

Mkuu hivi unataka kutuaminisha hivi.... ?, Pia lazima ujue kwamba Test ya kuitwa special inafanyika either la saba au form IV (ili kuingia form six au form one).

Pia mkuu majibu ya mitihani huwa kila mtu anayesoma anakuwa nayo.., kama unajua syllabus na kila kinachoulizwa kinatoka kwenye hizo syllabus you should know the format of exams before hand..., na mitihani yote huwa ni the same (formulas na format..) kinachobadilika ni lugha tu (tusitake ku-complicate issue).., Na since mitahani ndio the only measurement huwezi kusema wanaoshinda hizo measurement hawafai labda cha muhimu ni kuangalia ni vipi kipimo kinaweza kubadilishwa / kuboreshwa...,

Ila huwezi kusema vijana wote wa Tanzania wanao uelewa sawa (hata maiti zinazidiana kunuka..) na since kwenye hizi shule inabidi waende (creme de la creme...., ingawa wengi wakichaguliwa huwa hawaendi huko..), basi kwa vigezo vya Tanzania hizi shule ndio zina Top Performers, (and since they are Top Performance hence they are special in comparison with their counterparts) Na hawa vijana kutokana na ukosefu wa waalimu na vitabu mwisho wa siku unaweza ukakuta wanaingia wakiwa wazuri na kutoka wakiwa wabovu... (lack of nurturing)

sunwu]Quote=, basi kwa vigezo vya Tanzania hizi shule ndio zina Top Performers, (and since they are Top Performance hence they are special in comparison with their counterparts) Na hawa vijana kutokana na ukosefu wa waalimu na vitabu mwisho wa siku unaweza ukakuta wanaingia wakiwa wazuri na kutoka wakiwa wabovu... (lack of nurturing)

My point!!

 

[Yo Yo]

Don't flatter yourself. Huna kipaji maalum.

Umesema unataka kumpima kwenye kipaji maalum au unataka ligi tu? nimejitokeza nipime

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Umesema unataka kumpima kwenye kipaji maalum au unataka ligi tu? nimejitokeza nipime

Wewe huna kipaji maalum hivyo siwezi kuhangaika na wewe.