US Election Coverage 2008
US Election Coverage 2008
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YNIM
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unaweza kuta alimweka hapo ili ku-appeal kwa chikanos na sio competency yake!! kampeni ya mama inapata matatizo kwasababu inaendeshwa kizamani........Billary wamejisahau, wanadhani bado wapo kwenye '90s. Huyo mpya alikuwa chief of staff wake enzi akiwa 1st lady.....yaleyale ya "old guns, full of dust from the closet"! NN, these are new dayz, mwambie mama alete young bloodz, for the rescue.
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With a win in the Maine caucuses, Barack Obama has won four lopsided victories in a row and the map favors him for weeks to come. Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, responded to her troubles by replacing her campaign manager. Clinton now has to hold back Obamas momentum long enough to win the big states weeks from now, a strategy that did not help Rudy Guiliani.
Obama was expected to do well this weekend, but he more than exceeded expectations. He didnt just sweep four contests, he blew Clinton out of the water, doubling her take in some states and winning by big margins in the rest. While much has been made of Obamas support among African American voters, he continues to do well in a variety of states. What do Louisiana, Nebraska and Maine have in common?
The Obama campaign is hoping that a string of impressive victories will weaken Clinton in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas, where Latino and working class voters could make the difference for her.
Though a campaign shakeup is a sign of weakness, it might also do the trick. Remember that presumptive Republican nominee John McCain was widely considered to be out of the running when his campaign went broke and he was forced to restructure. Also, Clinton doesnt need to win in order to force a decision by super delegates, where she enjoys an advantage. She just has to keep Obama from locking up the nomination.
Still, weve come a long way from the headlines that asked if Clinton could be stopped.
Obama was expected to do well this weekend, but he more than exceeded expectations. He didnt just sweep four contests, he blew Clinton out of the water, doubling her take in some states and winning by big margins in the rest. While much has been made of Obamas support among African American voters, he continues to do well in a variety of states. What do Louisiana, Nebraska and Maine have in common?
The Obama campaign is hoping that a string of impressive victories will weaken Clinton in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas, where Latino and working class voters could make the difference for her.
Though a campaign shakeup is a sign of weakness, it might also do the trick. Remember that presumptive Republican nominee John McCain was widely considered to be out of the running when his campaign went broke and he was forced to restructure. Also, Clinton doesnt need to win in order to force a decision by super delegates, where she enjoys an advantage. She just has to keep Obama from locking up the nomination.
Still, weve come a long way from the headlines that asked if Clinton could be stopped.
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kaka Nyani lazima ukubaliane nasi kwamba Obama atafika mbali huoni Camp ya mama imechanganyikiwa mpaka wamemtimua campaign Manager, bado na nyie supporters mtatafuta njia tu, wapo watakaokimbilia East Point, wako watakaokwenda Haperville na nyie wengine mtaenda Mountain View!
Haya mshirika tuonane Red Oak
Haya mshirika tuonane Red Oak
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I very much see Obama getting this nomination!
But, the sad news is from the beggining I saw it, now its more evident...in november unless wisdom prevails in Democratic party..you guys you are no where in the WH! Either of the two, whoever goes alone on the ticket, he/she is unlikely to win the general election. But as I say, the establishemnt have seen it...so there is a big possibility that the party will dictate who should be the VEEP (as they dd for Kerry who never wanted Edwards).....Can Hillary accept? Can Obama accept? Lets wait and see...but dems should stop illusions and know that you need these two people on the ticket. Thats the only realistic chances of winning in November. Otherwise you will be adding on the statistics of lost elections for dems....
By the way Obama camp must know that HRC has a commanding constituent which will alienate you guys if you continue demonozing her, the same to Obama with his people. Kifupi..CNN and media pundit will not win an election for you dems..... Have you read the signs? Now BUSH says Maccain is a TRUE CONSERVATIVE!!!! hahahahah...dems kazi mnayo........
Meanwhile sisi ngoja tuendeleze libeneke hapa home na kina Lowassa ambao sasa wako jobless! we are mooting a next step for him and his associates....
Lakini jamani tuwe wakweli...this month has been good in the politics of our country...that I nearly forgot this thread.....
Mzidi kutuhabarisha wakuu.....mlioko hukio duniani....
But MY WORRY IS NOVEMBER CAN OBAMA WIN? Can Hillary WIN???...AS USUAL Dems come with full promises of hopes only to dissapoint!!!!! LET ME HOPE THAT THIS TIME AROUND YOU ARE SERIOUS AND NOT JUST RHETORICS.....
But, the sad news is from the beggining I saw it, now its more evident...in november unless wisdom prevails in Democratic party..you guys you are no where in the WH! Either of the two, whoever goes alone on the ticket, he/she is unlikely to win the general election. But as I say, the establishemnt have seen it...so there is a big possibility that the party will dictate who should be the VEEP (as they dd for Kerry who never wanted Edwards).....Can Hillary accept? Can Obama accept? Lets wait and see...but dems should stop illusions and know that you need these two people on the ticket. Thats the only realistic chances of winning in November. Otherwise you will be adding on the statistics of lost elections for dems....
By the way Obama camp must know that HRC has a commanding constituent which will alienate you guys if you continue demonozing her, the same to Obama with his people. Kifupi..CNN and media pundit will not win an election for you dems..... Have you read the signs? Now BUSH says Maccain is a TRUE CONSERVATIVE!!!! hahahahah...dems kazi mnayo........
Meanwhile sisi ngoja tuendeleze libeneke hapa home na kina Lowassa ambao sasa wako jobless! we are mooting a next step for him and his associates....
Lakini jamani tuwe wakweli...this month has been good in the politics of our country...that I nearly forgot this thread.....
Mzidi kutuhabarisha wakuu.....mlioko hukio duniani....
But MY WORRY IS NOVEMBER CAN OBAMA WIN? Can Hillary WIN???...AS USUAL Dems come with full promises of hopes only to dissapoint!!!!! LET ME HOPE THAT THIS TIME AROUND YOU ARE SERIOUS AND NOT JUST RHETORICS.....
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February 11, 2008
Obama Wins in Maine; Clinton Replaces Her Manager
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Senator Barack Obama at a campaign rally at the Virginia Beach Convention Center on Sunday. The state primary is Tuesday.
VIRGINIA BEACH Senator Barack Obama racked up his fourth decisive victory this weekend, winning the Maine caucuses on Sunday, as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton replaced her campaign manager and longtime aide in the biggest shakeup of her campaign to date.
In a fast-paced day of striking contrasts, Mr. Obama showed new confidence as he soaked up the roar of his crowds, drawing an audience the campaign estimated at 18,000 people to a convention center here. He referred only in passing to his victory in Maine, where he won 59 percent of the vote in a state that Mrs. Clinton had thought could be hers.
Mrs. Clinton, meanwhile, replaced Patti Solis Doyle, who led her campaign since it began last year and whom she regarded almost as an adopted daughter. In her place, she named another longtime aide, Maggie Williams.
The switch occurred at a time when Mrs. Clinton has found her campaign in a slump, coming off a split victory in a multistate round of nominating contests on Feb. 5 and losing badly in a string of state caucuses that relied on a high level of on-the-ground organizational skills at which the Obama campaign excelled.
At the same time, she suffered a setback over money, and though in recent days the campaign has boasted of a $10 million month and many new donors, it never built the online donor base that Ms. Doyle had promised. Nor did it adapt to Mr. Obamas message of inspiration as his campaign grew in strength, prolonging the battle long past the point when Mrs. Clinton was expected by her strategists to have clinched the nomination.
The replacement of Ms. Doyle was in part a signal to donors and other supporters that the campaign was regrouping and was poised to right itself, even as Mrs. Clinton faces uncertain prospects Tuesday in contests in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia.
The shake-up came as Mrs. Clintons sliver of hope for February, in Maine, disappeared. She had been hopeful because Maines demographics, blue-collar voters, who are older and make less than $50,000, fit the profile of voters who had supported her elsewhere.
But Maine is a caucus state, and Mr. Obama has won almost all caucuses, which depend on deep organization and a passionate following. With turnout high, despite heavy snow throughout the state, Mr. Obama won big, 18 points over Mrs. Clinton, and taking the majority of the 24 pledged delegates at stake.
Speaking later at a rally in Virginia Beach, Mr. Obama acknowledged his latest victory.
We won by a sizable margin in Maine and I want to thank the people of Maine, he said to the cheers of thousands of people. We have now won on the Atlantic coast, weve won in the Gulf Coast, we won on the Pacific Coast and we won in between those coasts.
On top of it all, Mr. Obama beat out Bill Clinton for a Grammy, winning the spoken word award for the audio-book version of his memoir, The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.
At the same time, the Clinton camp confirmed that Mrs. Clinton had met privately on Thursday with former Senator John Edwards in North Carolina. Mr. Edwards, who has dropped out of the race, has not made an endorsement. But Mr. Obama is scheduled to meet with him too, on Monday night, Obama allies say, and is also flying to Mr. Edwardss home in North Carolina.
The fact that both candidates are taking time out of their campaign schedule to meet with Mr. Edwards is a measure of their competitiveness for his support as the race comes down to a state-by-state battle for delegates and, as important, momentum.
Mr. Obamas victory in Maine after decisive victories Saturday in Louisiana, Nebraska and Washington State positioned him to run the table this month until the calendar flips to March. At that point, the campaign moves to Ohio and Texas, where polls suggest that voters are more favorable to Mrs. Clinton.
On Sunday, Mrs. Clinton who like Mr. Obama was campaigning in the so-called Potomac region did not mention the weekends nominating contests, focusing instead on Senator John McCain, the likely Republican nominee.
In Manassas, Va., where 1,500 people filled a gymnasium to capacity and 2,000 people waited outside, she told the audience that she was the strongest candidate on homeland security and foreign policy.
If Senator McCain is the nominee for the Republicans, as it appears he will be, she said, you know that they will do everything in their power to make this election about national security, about homeland security, and that is exactly what will happen. She said she could win that fight.
At his rally, Mr. Obama, too, focused on Mr. McCain.
He is a genuine American war hero, Mr. Obama said. But, he said, Mr. McCain has decided to saddle himself up with George Bush. We need a candidate for the Democrats who will offer a clear contrast, Mr. Obama said, not mentioning Mrs. Clinton. Are we going to go backwards or are we going to go forwards?
Meanwhile, Mr. Obama intensified his criticisms of Mrs. Clinton and her husband saying that when Mr. Clinton was president Democrats lost at every level of government and that Mrs. Clinton could not bridge the nations political divide.
Senator Clinton starts off with 47 percent of the country against her, he said in response to a question in Alexandria. Thats a hard place to start.
Mr. Obama said the Clintons had been unable to assemble a working majority in Congress in the 1990s, when Mr. Clinton was president.
Shes a smart person, shes a capable person, she would be a vast improvement over the incumbent, he said in response to a question at a rally with 3,000 people, with 1,200 more listening in an overflow room. What is also true is, I think its very hard for Senator Clinton to break out of the politics of the last 15 years.
Mr. Obama said the country was divided politically, with about 47 percent on each side and the rest in the middle and that Mrs. Clinton would be unable to bring people together.
Keep in mind, we had Bill Clinton as president when, in 94, we lost the House, we lost the Senate, we lost governorships, we lost state houses, he said. And so, regardless of what policies they wanted to promote, they didnt have a working majority to bring change about.
Mrs. Clinton was campaigning nearby at the time and dealing with the resignation of Ms. Doyle and the announcement of Ms. Williams as her successor. Ms. Williams was her chief of staff when Mrs. Clinton was first lady, and was widely seen as someone who could deal frankly with Mrs. Clinton on the most sensitive matters.
Mrs. Clintons supporters were increasingly surprised that Mr. Obama had out-organized her in state after state, and those losses were adding to their concern.
Mrs. Clinton has explained her losses by saying that caucuses disenfranchise voters because their hours are limited and that she does better when a broader cross-section of voters can participate. But the stream of losses came at the same time that the campaign announced that it was low on money and had required a $5 million loan from Mrs. Clinton to keep going.
At the same time, Ms. Doyle had come into the organization with a plan to build a vast online network of donors who can be tapped at any time for infusions of cash. That goal appears to have been achieved by the Obama campaign, while Mrs. Clinton continues to rely on big donors who months ago gave the limit, $2,300, to the primary campaign.
The race, too, was never supposed to go on this long. Strategists for Mrs. Clinton expected her to wrap it all up by Feb. 5, but with Mr. Obama picking up states and delegates there is widespread anticipation that the race can continue through late spring.
The campaign had braced for a shake-up ever since Mrs. Clinton lost Iowa, but it was delayed because she unexpectedly won New Hampshire. At that point, Ms. Williams, a longtime friend of Mrs. Clintons, had been worked into the organization along with Ms. Doyle, and over time it just became untenable for both of them to be essentially sharing the same job, as one campaign ally put it.
Political strategists have criticized the Clinton campaign, saying it is small bore and has lacked the inspiration of Mr. Obamas message. But Clinton campaign advisers pointed out that Mark Penn, the author of Micro-Trends, is the campaigns chief strategist and that Ms. Doyle had to operate within his plan.
Some Clinton advisers rued the timing, noting that Matt Drudge referred to the switch on his Web site as the departure of the campaigns top Latina an emphasis on Ms. Doyles ethnicity that Mrs. Clinton does not need as she heads toward a Texas primary on March 4 and tries to court the states large Hispanic vote.
Julie Bosman contributed reporting from Manassas, Va., and John Harwood and Raymond Hernandez from Washington.
Obama Wins in Maine; Clinton Replaces Her Manager
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Senator Barack Obama at a campaign rally at the Virginia Beach Convention Center on Sunday. The state primary is Tuesday.
VIRGINIA BEACH Senator Barack Obama racked up his fourth decisive victory this weekend, winning the Maine caucuses on Sunday, as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton replaced her campaign manager and longtime aide in the biggest shakeup of her campaign to date.
In a fast-paced day of striking contrasts, Mr. Obama showed new confidence as he soaked up the roar of his crowds, drawing an audience the campaign estimated at 18,000 people to a convention center here. He referred only in passing to his victory in Maine, where he won 59 percent of the vote in a state that Mrs. Clinton had thought could be hers.
Mrs. Clinton, meanwhile, replaced Patti Solis Doyle, who led her campaign since it began last year and whom she regarded almost as an adopted daughter. In her place, she named another longtime aide, Maggie Williams.
The switch occurred at a time when Mrs. Clinton has found her campaign in a slump, coming off a split victory in a multistate round of nominating contests on Feb. 5 and losing badly in a string of state caucuses that relied on a high level of on-the-ground organizational skills at which the Obama campaign excelled.
At the same time, she suffered a setback over money, and though in recent days the campaign has boasted of a $10 million month and many new donors, it never built the online donor base that Ms. Doyle had promised. Nor did it adapt to Mr. Obamas message of inspiration as his campaign grew in strength, prolonging the battle long past the point when Mrs. Clinton was expected by her strategists to have clinched the nomination.
The replacement of Ms. Doyle was in part a signal to donors and other supporters that the campaign was regrouping and was poised to right itself, even as Mrs. Clinton faces uncertain prospects Tuesday in contests in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia.
The shake-up came as Mrs. Clintons sliver of hope for February, in Maine, disappeared. She had been hopeful because Maines demographics, blue-collar voters, who are older and make less than $50,000, fit the profile of voters who had supported her elsewhere.
But Maine is a caucus state, and Mr. Obama has won almost all caucuses, which depend on deep organization and a passionate following. With turnout high, despite heavy snow throughout the state, Mr. Obama won big, 18 points over Mrs. Clinton, and taking the majority of the 24 pledged delegates at stake.
Speaking later at a rally in Virginia Beach, Mr. Obama acknowledged his latest victory.
We won by a sizable margin in Maine and I want to thank the people of Maine, he said to the cheers of thousands of people. We have now won on the Atlantic coast, weve won in the Gulf Coast, we won on the Pacific Coast and we won in between those coasts.
On top of it all, Mr. Obama beat out Bill Clinton for a Grammy, winning the spoken word award for the audio-book version of his memoir, The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.
At the same time, the Clinton camp confirmed that Mrs. Clinton had met privately on Thursday with former Senator John Edwards in North Carolina. Mr. Edwards, who has dropped out of the race, has not made an endorsement. But Mr. Obama is scheduled to meet with him too, on Monday night, Obama allies say, and is also flying to Mr. Edwardss home in North Carolina.
The fact that both candidates are taking time out of their campaign schedule to meet with Mr. Edwards is a measure of their competitiveness for his support as the race comes down to a state-by-state battle for delegates and, as important, momentum.
Mr. Obamas victory in Maine after decisive victories Saturday in Louisiana, Nebraska and Washington State positioned him to run the table this month until the calendar flips to March. At that point, the campaign moves to Ohio and Texas, where polls suggest that voters are more favorable to Mrs. Clinton.
On Sunday, Mrs. Clinton who like Mr. Obama was campaigning in the so-called Potomac region did not mention the weekends nominating contests, focusing instead on Senator John McCain, the likely Republican nominee.
In Manassas, Va., where 1,500 people filled a gymnasium to capacity and 2,000 people waited outside, she told the audience that she was the strongest candidate on homeland security and foreign policy.
If Senator McCain is the nominee for the Republicans, as it appears he will be, she said, you know that they will do everything in their power to make this election about national security, about homeland security, and that is exactly what will happen. She said she could win that fight.
At his rally, Mr. Obama, too, focused on Mr. McCain.
He is a genuine American war hero, Mr. Obama said. But, he said, Mr. McCain has decided to saddle himself up with George Bush. We need a candidate for the Democrats who will offer a clear contrast, Mr. Obama said, not mentioning Mrs. Clinton. Are we going to go backwards or are we going to go forwards?
Meanwhile, Mr. Obama intensified his criticisms of Mrs. Clinton and her husband saying that when Mr. Clinton was president Democrats lost at every level of government and that Mrs. Clinton could not bridge the nations political divide.
Senator Clinton starts off with 47 percent of the country against her, he said in response to a question in Alexandria. Thats a hard place to start.
Mr. Obama said the Clintons had been unable to assemble a working majority in Congress in the 1990s, when Mr. Clinton was president.
Shes a smart person, shes a capable person, she would be a vast improvement over the incumbent, he said in response to a question at a rally with 3,000 people, with 1,200 more listening in an overflow room. What is also true is, I think its very hard for Senator Clinton to break out of the politics of the last 15 years.
Mr. Obama said the country was divided politically, with about 47 percent on each side and the rest in the middle and that Mrs. Clinton would be unable to bring people together.
Keep in mind, we had Bill Clinton as president when, in 94, we lost the House, we lost the Senate, we lost governorships, we lost state houses, he said. And so, regardless of what policies they wanted to promote, they didnt have a working majority to bring change about.
Mrs. Clinton was campaigning nearby at the time and dealing with the resignation of Ms. Doyle and the announcement of Ms. Williams as her successor. Ms. Williams was her chief of staff when Mrs. Clinton was first lady, and was widely seen as someone who could deal frankly with Mrs. Clinton on the most sensitive matters.
Mrs. Clintons supporters were increasingly surprised that Mr. Obama had out-organized her in state after state, and those losses were adding to their concern.
Mrs. Clinton has explained her losses by saying that caucuses disenfranchise voters because their hours are limited and that she does better when a broader cross-section of voters can participate. But the stream of losses came at the same time that the campaign announced that it was low on money and had required a $5 million loan from Mrs. Clinton to keep going.
At the same time, Ms. Doyle had come into the organization with a plan to build a vast online network of donors who can be tapped at any time for infusions of cash. That goal appears to have been achieved by the Obama campaign, while Mrs. Clinton continues to rely on big donors who months ago gave the limit, $2,300, to the primary campaign.
The race, too, was never supposed to go on this long. Strategists for Mrs. Clinton expected her to wrap it all up by Feb. 5, but with Mr. Obama picking up states and delegates there is widespread anticipation that the race can continue through late spring.
The campaign had braced for a shake-up ever since Mrs. Clinton lost Iowa, but it was delayed because she unexpectedly won New Hampshire. At that point, Ms. Williams, a longtime friend of Mrs. Clintons, had been worked into the organization along with Ms. Doyle, and over time it just became untenable for both of them to be essentially sharing the same job, as one campaign ally put it.
Political strategists have criticized the Clinton campaign, saying it is small bore and has lacked the inspiration of Mr. Obamas message. But Clinton campaign advisers pointed out that Mark Penn, the author of Micro-Trends, is the campaigns chief strategist and that Ms. Doyle had to operate within his plan.
Some Clinton advisers rued the timing, noting that Matt Drudge referred to the switch on his Web site as the departure of the campaigns top Latina an emphasis on Ms. Doyles ethnicity that Mrs. Clinton does not need as she heads toward a Texas primary on March 4 and tries to court the states large Hispanic vote.
Julie Bosman contributed reporting from Manassas, Va., and John Harwood and Raymond Hernandez from Washington.
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Nasoma hapa kwamba Obama amepata momentum kubwa na hii ndo tatizo la Clinton campaign. Kwani anapopata momentum kubwa hivyo na hakuna breki (walitegemea Maine iwe breki), basi watu wengi zaidi wanazidi kuvutiwa kumsikiliza Obama and he appears to be viable! Sasa Bibi naye anatakakuonekana the underdog! Vichekesho! Hawezi, it's too late for that kind of game.
I agree that it's not over till it's over, kwa hiyo Obama camp has to be vigilant but they appear to have done an excellent work so far.
John Edwards will endorse Obama, I know. Hii mtakuja kuniambia. But I think hatafanya endorsement sasa hivi, atasubiri kidogo. It is said that Mrs Edwards anampenda na anataka mume wake am-endorse Obama, na inaonekana huyu Mama anato mchango kubwa kwa upande wa ushauri wa Edwards.
Naona also statements zinazotoka kutoka Democratic party inaonyesha they are seriously considering Barack as the nominee, and hardly any new big names zinaenda kum-nominate Bibi.
NN - mi simchukii Bibi na hata hiyo media unayopenda kuisema inampendela Bibi, kama CLinton News Network (CNN) ni wanafiki lakini ukihesabu time wanayompa HIllary akiongea na Obama ni tofauti sana. Kumbnuka Sanjay Gupta - alifanya kazi ya healthcare ya Hillary wakati ule, na kaweka docuemtnary weekend hii ikizungumzia crisis in healthcare na umuhimu wa Universal Healthcare na alimfagilia sana Hillary! Sasa unalalamika nini?
Tatizo siyo media, ni watu wamechoka na 'more of the same' na huyu mama hakuonyesha uwezo wa kunying'atua na Bill and his past.
I agree that it's not over till it's over, kwa hiyo Obama camp has to be vigilant but they appear to have done an excellent work so far.
John Edwards will endorse Obama, I know. Hii mtakuja kuniambia. But I think hatafanya endorsement sasa hivi, atasubiri kidogo. It is said that Mrs Edwards anampenda na anataka mume wake am-endorse Obama, na inaonekana huyu Mama anato mchango kubwa kwa upande wa ushauri wa Edwards.
Naona also statements zinazotoka kutoka Democratic party inaonyesha they are seriously considering Barack as the nominee, and hardly any new big names zinaenda kum-nominate Bibi.
NN - mi simchukii Bibi na hata hiyo media unayopenda kuisema inampendela Bibi, kama CLinton News Network (CNN) ni wanafiki lakini ukihesabu time wanayompa HIllary akiongea na Obama ni tofauti sana. Kumbnuka Sanjay Gupta - alifanya kazi ya healthcare ya Hillary wakati ule, na kaweka docuemtnary weekend hii ikizungumzia crisis in healthcare na umuhimu wa Universal Healthcare na alimfagilia sana Hillary! Sasa unalalamika nini?
Tatizo siyo media, ni watu wamechoka na 'more of the same' na huyu mama hakuonyesha uwezo wa kunying'atua na Bill and his past.
"In unlikely story like America, there is nothing false about hope"
Barack Obama in New Hampshire.
Nyani Ngabu
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See, that's the thing....I don't think Dems will win in November.
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The Democrats
Obama has the momentum
Feb 11th 2008
From Economist.com
Barack Obama piles up victories; Hillary Clinton drops her campaign manager
AFP
AFTER fighting Hillary Clinton to a draw on Super Tuesday, Barack Obama might now feel that he is on a roll. Over the weekend he racked up four more statesto Mrs Clintons noneand he looks set to pick up more on Tuesday February 12th. Mr Obamas train is picking up speed.
The states that voted at the weekend were as different as they could be. Maine in the north-east combines blue-blooded coastal money (George Bushs parents live there) with poorer farming and factory communities in the interior. Louisiana is a southern state where blacks make up a big chunk of the Democratic primary electorate. Washington state in the north-west is famous for its progressive politics. And Nebraska, smack in the middle of the country, is lily-white corn-farming country like Iowa, the first state to go for Mr Obama in 2008.
All plumped for Mr Obama on Saturday and Sunday. He won 57-36 in Louisiana, which held a traditional primary, a striking result for Mr Obama. In Maine (a 60-40 victory), Washington and Nebraska (victories by 36 and 35 percentage points respectively) the contest was in the form of a caucus. These victories, while also impressive, were less surprising: his strong organisation and the enthusiasm of his followers help him to perform well in the caucus format, where getting voters to turn out for a long meeting is perhaps the biggest challenge.
Mrs Clintons campaign, unsurprisingly, played down the results, pointing to Mr Obamas bigger efforts in those states. But he is also expected to do well in the Potomac primary on Tuesday, when votes are held in the adjacent states of Virginia and Maryland, as well as Washington, DC (which lies between them). The demographics look favourable to him, as do polls (although they show some widely different results, and Mrs Clinton should not be counted out).
Mrs Clinton is acting sanguine; she has won most of the biggest states so far (New York, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey), and likes her chances in two more, Ohio and Texas, on March 4th. The campaign, however, has shown signs of strain: late in January she was forced to lend her campaign $5m (although she quickly recouped it in a strong fundraising week). And on Sunday afternoon her campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, stepped down. The campaign denied that this was a shake-up, citing the long campaigns tolls on staff members families.
As both campaigns survey the remaining states to vote, an ugly possibility hoves into view. It may well be that neither candidate is able to win enough so-called pledged delegates in the state primaries to secure the nomination. Such delegates, once chosen by primaries, must vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the August nominating convention. But if neither candidate wins a majority of them, the superdelegates then act as tie-breakers. Superdelegates are the countrys Democratic governors, Democratic members of Congress, and high-ranking party members of the Democratic Party. They can, in theory, lend their support to anyone they choose at this summers convention. But some have been making promises, and more to Mrs Clinton than to Mr Obama.
Mr Obama will be ahead in pledged delegates by the end of this week by most counts. (The counts differ because some pledged delegates have not yet been chosen officially.) But Mrs Clinton has an edge when the superdelegates are added in. This raises the spectre of a long, difficult and expensive campaign in which Mr Obama may win among those delegates chosen by the voters, but the superdelegates put Mrs Clinton over the top. Many Democratsespecially the numerous first-time younger voters (mostly supporters of Mr Obama)would wonder what the whole primary process was for.
The Obama camp is saying that the superdelegates should follow the will of the people. The Clinton group responds that this eliminates the point of having the superdelegates at all. The superdelegates were instituted in 1982 to give insiders more control over a party that had begun to drift too close (in their view) to the hands of ordinary activists. Perhaps the superdelegates will indeed obey the will of the people, siding with the winner in pledged delegates whatever their earlier promises. After all, the Democratic Party was traumatised by what many feel was an election stolen by George Bush in 2000. It would be odd indeed for something looking similar to happen in the partys own choice of a candidate this year.
Obama has the momentum
Feb 11th 2008
From Economist.com
Barack Obama piles up victories; Hillary Clinton drops her campaign manager
AFP
AFTER fighting Hillary Clinton to a draw on Super Tuesday, Barack Obama might now feel that he is on a roll. Over the weekend he racked up four more statesto Mrs Clintons noneand he looks set to pick up more on Tuesday February 12th. Mr Obamas train is picking up speed.
The states that voted at the weekend were as different as they could be. Maine in the north-east combines blue-blooded coastal money (George Bushs parents live there) with poorer farming and factory communities in the interior. Louisiana is a southern state where blacks make up a big chunk of the Democratic primary electorate. Washington state in the north-west is famous for its progressive politics. And Nebraska, smack in the middle of the country, is lily-white corn-farming country like Iowa, the first state to go for Mr Obama in 2008.
All plumped for Mr Obama on Saturday and Sunday. He won 57-36 in Louisiana, which held a traditional primary, a striking result for Mr Obama. In Maine (a 60-40 victory), Washington and Nebraska (victories by 36 and 35 percentage points respectively) the contest was in the form of a caucus. These victories, while also impressive, were less surprising: his strong organisation and the enthusiasm of his followers help him to perform well in the caucus format, where getting voters to turn out for a long meeting is perhaps the biggest challenge.
Mrs Clintons campaign, unsurprisingly, played down the results, pointing to Mr Obamas bigger efforts in those states. But he is also expected to do well in the Potomac primary on Tuesday, when votes are held in the adjacent states of Virginia and Maryland, as well as Washington, DC (which lies between them). The demographics look favourable to him, as do polls (although they show some widely different results, and Mrs Clinton should not be counted out).
Mrs Clinton is acting sanguine; she has won most of the biggest states so far (New York, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey), and likes her chances in two more, Ohio and Texas, on March 4th. The campaign, however, has shown signs of strain: late in January she was forced to lend her campaign $5m (although she quickly recouped it in a strong fundraising week). And on Sunday afternoon her campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, stepped down. The campaign denied that this was a shake-up, citing the long campaigns tolls on staff members families.
As both campaigns survey the remaining states to vote, an ugly possibility hoves into view. It may well be that neither candidate is able to win enough so-called pledged delegates in the state primaries to secure the nomination. Such delegates, once chosen by primaries, must vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the August nominating convention. But if neither candidate wins a majority of them, the superdelegates then act as tie-breakers. Superdelegates are the countrys Democratic governors, Democratic members of Congress, and high-ranking party members of the Democratic Party. They can, in theory, lend their support to anyone they choose at this summers convention. But some have been making promises, and more to Mrs Clinton than to Mr Obama.
Mr Obama will be ahead in pledged delegates by the end of this week by most counts. (The counts differ because some pledged delegates have not yet been chosen officially.) But Mrs Clinton has an edge when the superdelegates are added in. This raises the spectre of a long, difficult and expensive campaign in which Mr Obama may win among those delegates chosen by the voters, but the superdelegates put Mrs Clinton over the top. Many Democratsespecially the numerous first-time younger voters (mostly supporters of Mr Obama)would wonder what the whole primary process was for.
The Obama camp is saying that the superdelegates should follow the will of the people. The Clinton group responds that this eliminates the point of having the superdelegates at all. The superdelegates were instituted in 1982 to give insiders more control over a party that had begun to drift too close (in their view) to the hands of ordinary activists. Perhaps the superdelegates will indeed obey the will of the people, siding with the winner in pledged delegates whatever their earlier promises. After all, the Democratic Party was traumatised by what many feel was an election stolen by George Bush in 2000. It would be odd indeed for something looking similar to happen in the partys own choice of a candidate this year.
Nyani Ngabu
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Elections and weather are two different things: Apples and Oranges....duuuuhhhh
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duuuuh!!? I said "like," aiight!! I wanted to say tht, nobody really know what will happen in november. its just far fetched, biased, crooked and false prophecied speculations!!.
Usitake kutuletea mambo ya sheikh yahya hussein hapa,alaaah.
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DAR si LAMU
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..ladies and gentlemen!,
..the president of the united states of america,mr.barack obama!
..the president of the united states of america,mr.barack obama!
Nyani Ngabu
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No way! It doesn't even sound right..
And...have you seen his wife? Laawd Mercy!!!
....whats wrong with his wife?
Nyani Ngabu
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YNIM
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mmmmmh kama Michelle Obama ni ugly, basi siku hizi nadhani ugly maana yake ni: tall, skin, smart, gorgeous, black woman!!!.
yaani champ, una-reflect kabisa kinachojiri ktk billary kampeni. yaani wameshindwa hoja sasa wanaleta vioja, persona attacks za nini?? ama kweli desperate pple will use desperate means!!
Jana nimemsikia hillary analaumu system ya caucuses!!!!.....good god, hii system ipo kwa miaka dahari ni yenyewe ilompa ushindi clinton in '91/92. sasa kwasababu wanashindwa, imekuwa si nzuri tena!!! yaani blame everybody and everything but the clintons....sasa sishangai, kwanini wanashindwa.
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