YNIM
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naongelea hicho hicho unachoongea wewe, acha uhuni ala!! ndio nasema MSNBC ni channel ndogo!!
US Election Coverage 2008
US Election Coverage 2008
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naongelea hicho hicho unachoongea wewe, acha uhuni ala!! ndio nasema MSNBC ni channel ndogo!!
Nyani Ngabu
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Acha kudanganya wewe.....budget yao inalingana au hata kuzidi ya FOX News....sasa udogo unatoka wapi? Bottomline...Olberman kawa demoted, period, end of it!
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YNIM
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I am not her spokeswoman but I was simply pointing out that you can't judge her intelligence from only the information you provided. I don't expect her to answer every claim, rumour, innuendo or anything else liberals pull out of their rear ends.
Yeah..like Shakespear said, "He Doth Protest Too Much..."
At this time Obama has too many political negatives to overcome. He will need some form of a miracle to pull this off. Let's see if I can summarize (in no particular order) his biggest political negatives:
1) His associations with Rev. Wright. The video clip of Rev. Wright saying "g-d America" is political suicide for Obama.
2) His associations with known terrorist William Ayers. Another political suicide for Obama.
3) His wife saying this is the first time she has been proud of her country despite all the blessings, fortunes the Obama's have acquired from America.
4) The perception (maybe a reality after seeing his latest gaffe) that he is a muslim. No matter if it is true or not this is tough for Obama to overcome politically. He lost many votes in the primaries because of this perception.
5) His "exotic" background. How many Americans have similar background to Obama's? Hard to overcome this image for Obama.
6) He is a Marxist with his wealth redistribution ideas.
7) He is gaffe-prone everytime there is no teleprompter.
8) He has no leadership experience.
9) He is a pacifist.
10) He lacks substance
1) His associations with Rev. Wright. The video clip of Rev. Wright saying "g-d America" is political suicide for Obama.
2) His associations with known terrorist William Ayers. Another political suicide for Obama.
3) His wife saying this is the first time she has been proud of her country despite all the blessings, fortunes the Obama's have acquired from America.
4) The perception (maybe a reality after seeing his latest gaffe) that he is a muslim. No matter if it is true or not this is tough for Obama to overcome politically. He lost many votes in the primaries because of this perception.
5) His "exotic" background. How many Americans have similar background to Obama's? Hard to overcome this image for Obama.
6) He is a Marxist with his wealth redistribution ideas.
7) He is gaffe-prone everytime there is no teleprompter.
8) He has no leadership experience.
9) He is a pacifist.
10) He lacks substance
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1. National debt is totally out of control at nearly $10 trillion and climbing with a budget deficit of one-half trillion dollars for fiscal 2009 under Republicans. Staying in Iraq is problematic with voters especially when Iraq has a $80 billion surplus. By margins of nearly 3 to 1 Americans want out of Iraq now: advantage Obama.
2. Drilling offshore is not going to do much of anything to solve America's longterm energy problems. There is oil out in the ocean floor but it is prohibitively expensive to extract. All oil drilling rigs are busy for the next five years and the cost per barrel for deep ocean drilling has to be at least $150 per barrel to make it economically feasible. What is the plan for energy beyond drilling? McCain wants to build 40 new nuclear plants but where are you going to store the poisonous radioactive waste? NIMBY (not in my backyard) will win at the polls. Obama supports renewables on a large scale and other conservation initiatives.
3. Unemployment is at about 6.1% with more unsettling news coming from the fallout of the subprime mortgage meltdown. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could cost us nearly $100 billion. Republicans favored tax cuts and deregulation of many industries that caused expensive bailouts. Advantage goes to Mr. Obama.
4. By huge margins people under 35 in the US with a college degree support Obama because they are fed up with Iraq, budget deficits and debt, and just feel the country is going in the wrong direction. Another critical issue is health insurance with 47 million Americans uninsured and more than 15 million underinsured. More than half of bankruptcy filings in America are because of medical bills. Obama supports full coverage for Americans.
MCsame has nowhere to go on 4th November, 2008 but down, unless he steals another election like they did in 2000 and 2004.
2. Drilling offshore is not going to do much of anything to solve America's longterm energy problems. There is oil out in the ocean floor but it is prohibitively expensive to extract. All oil drilling rigs are busy for the next five years and the cost per barrel for deep ocean drilling has to be at least $150 per barrel to make it economically feasible. What is the plan for energy beyond drilling? McCain wants to build 40 new nuclear plants but where are you going to store the poisonous radioactive waste? NIMBY (not in my backyard) will win at the polls. Obama supports renewables on a large scale and other conservation initiatives.
3. Unemployment is at about 6.1% with more unsettling news coming from the fallout of the subprime mortgage meltdown. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could cost us nearly $100 billion. Republicans favored tax cuts and deregulation of many industries that caused expensive bailouts. Advantage goes to Mr. Obama.
4. By huge margins people under 35 in the US with a college degree support Obama because they are fed up with Iraq, budget deficits and debt, and just feel the country is going in the wrong direction. Another critical issue is health insurance with 47 million Americans uninsured and more than 15 million underinsured. More than half of bankruptcy filings in America are because of medical bills. Obama supports full coverage for Americans.
MCsame has nowhere to go on 4th November, 2008 but down, unless he steals another election like they did in 2000 and 2004.
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McCain-Palin '08................
Wait and see. labla muibe hizo namba za watu 1017 zisikupe kiburi ngoja kisura wenu aanze kukutana na wanahabari, meet the press, debate etc mkimaintain hayo naweza kusema ni tight election lakini mpaka sasa ni Obama/Biden.....08
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you can talk all you want now but i'll get the last laugh........
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Nyani my dear friend, yaani nimekuwa MIA siku hizi 2 - 3 nakukuta unatamba tena online maana uliacha kunijibu kabisaaaa.
Jamani mi naamini Pitbull with lipstick AND no IQ akija Bongo kwenye siasa ata-fit in very well with the Sisiem crowd, maana huyu mama ni kiboko kwa PER DIEMS! Mpaka anatoza travel fees na per diem anapokaa nyumbani.... duh, namvculia kofia, yeye na familia yake .... kwikwikwikwi...
Jamani mi naamini Pitbull with lipstick AND no IQ akija Bongo kwenye siasa ata-fit in very well with the Sisiem crowd, maana huyu mama ni kiboko kwa PER DIEMS! Mpaka anatoza travel fees na per diem anapokaa nyumbani.... duh, namvculia kofia, yeye na familia yake .... kwikwikwikwi...
Mama wa per diem and Queen of Earmarks.
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Hey....cheki gallup poll ya independents...www.gallup.com
Independents wameanza kum-desert Obama......McCain up by 15pts. among them.....hoody hoo.....buckle up knuckle up.....hoody hoo...
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Haya hii ilikuwa tu Pwagu na Pwaguzi! Sasa let us get serious abou the economy. After McCain (Babu yake Nyani) admitted that he is not very strong in this department (i.e. economy), now it turns out unlike people's expectation that the VP nominee will be strong in that part, it turns out McCain will be the smart one on the ticket when it comes to ... well pretty much everything but definitely economy. After Sarah Palin aliamua kuongea ad lib akajikuta anaongea pumba kuhusu economic crisis:
Mwaka huu tutaendelea kuona vituko vya Babu yake Nyani!!!!
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We mjukuu wake McCain, sisi tuko tayari and we knew it will not be easy, lakini we are not hyperventilating about the polls. Hizi polls are swinging hata juzi nilivyoona Obama is up 8 points nikajua hii itaisha, I am more interested in state by state polls and also canvassing efforts in various states. Lakini hatutaki kuwashtua endeleeni kushangilia na Babu yenu. We will wake you up on the 4th of November!
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Naona Yanga na Simba bado zinaendelea hapa!!
By Douglas E. Schoen
Tuesday, September 9th 2008, 4:00 AM
Sen. John McCain has emerged from the convention with a slight lead - it works out to about 3 points, according to the Real Clear Politics average of major polls. But unless he starts reaching out more vigorously to independent voters, his convention bounce will likely fade.
In an election that is increasingly about who can win over moderates, Obama is still the candidate to beat. And as both candidates make their cases to voters in the coming weeks, Obama's strategy of targeting the middle is likely to prove more effective than the McCain camp's courtship of the conservative base.
These opposing strategies have become apparent recently. Witness the single biggest decision that Obama has made thus far: choosing Joe Biden as his running mate. The pick helped squelch concerns about Obama's perceived lack of experience and foreign policy savvy. More importantly, it signaled to moderates that when it matters, Obama makes sensible, pragmatic choices.
Obama's speech at the Democratic convention only fortified his centrist credentials. Refusing to shrink from even the most divisive social issues, he walked a fine yet commonsensical line down the center on topics like abortion, immigration and same-sex marriage, calling for us to "find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort."
While this kind of post-partisan talk has defined the Obama campaign thus far, until now he had been unable to effectively balance his message of change with concrete policy proposals. This is no longer the case. Obama used his speech to "spell out exactly what that change would mean" in his administration.
This included a plan to eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, the implementation of higher fuel efficiency standards for cars, and a plan to end American oil dependence in 10 years. All of this was underscored by a reminder of the importance of individual responsibility.
In other words, he put forward practical, nondogmatic policies.
He also used the speech to reach out to values voters, budget hawks and disaffected conservatives. Referencing the black community, Obama urged fathers to "take more responsibility for providing the love and guidance their children need." This is an issue that McCain can't touch - and it excites those who vote on family values. He promised to "go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work" and admitted that "fulfilling America's promise will require more than just money" - no doubt inspiring some fiscal conservatives who have become disillusioned with the GOP.
Obama's appeal to independent voters was only helped by McCain's selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. The news was met with great fanfare by McCain's conservative base, but left many independent voters rather disappointed, if not a bit perplexed. It was a pick to excite the base - almost 90% of whom view Palin favorably, according to a recent Washington Post/USA Today poll - in a year where Democrats are much more popular than Republicans.
If McCain was determined to shake up the race with a risky pick, he would have been much better served by Joe Lieberman. A McCain-Lieberman ticket would have nullified any claim Obama had to nonpartisan pragmatism, while also showing off McCain's ability to make bold decisions when the stakes are high.
Choosing Palin, on the other hand, was interpreted by many as a political ploy demonstrating that McCain is more than willing to pander to his base, even if it means putting the security of the nation in jeopardy by anointing a relatively inexperienced politician as his possible successor.
Yes, Palin's convention speech was a made-for-TV sensation. But it was also profoundly partisan. In fact, as a recent focus group conducted by the Detroit Free Press demonstrated, her repeated belittling of Obama's experience likely drove away many moderates - especially when compared to the more substantive, cordial speeches we saw at the Democratic convention.
McCain's convention appearance didn't help much either. While his speech stressed bipartisanship and consensus - and avoided references to President Bush and the Republican Party - it was underwhelming and unconvincing.
If anything, the buildup to McCain's speech - filled with red-hot rhetoric from Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson and others - reminded voters that McCain's positions don't deviate very far from standard Republican tract.
Still, Obama hardly has the political center sewn up. To date, he has said far too little about protecting our ports, safeguarding the nation from bioterrorism, the dangers of prescription drug importation and other serious security issues. He must hit these issues to make voters feel safe. And to win in places like Ohio - where the race is dead even, according to the latest CNN poll - he must continue his appeals to values voters, fiscal conservatives and independent-minded Republicans.
Despite McCain's unexpected lead in the polls, Obama remains in the driver's seat. Unless John McCain can persuade moderate voters that he's still the maverick he once was, that's likely to be how things will stay.
Schoen was a campaign consultant for more than 30 years and is the author of "Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two-Party System." He was an adviser to President Bill Clinton in the 1990s and advised Mayor Bloomberg in his 2001 and 2005 campaigns.
By Douglas E. Schoen
Tuesday, September 9th 2008, 4:00 AM
Sen. John McCain has emerged from the convention with a slight lead - it works out to about 3 points, according to the Real Clear Politics average of major polls. But unless he starts reaching out more vigorously to independent voters, his convention bounce will likely fade.
In an election that is increasingly about who can win over moderates, Obama is still the candidate to beat. And as both candidates make their cases to voters in the coming weeks, Obama's strategy of targeting the middle is likely to prove more effective than the McCain camp's courtship of the conservative base.
These opposing strategies have become apparent recently. Witness the single biggest decision that Obama has made thus far: choosing Joe Biden as his running mate. The pick helped squelch concerns about Obama's perceived lack of experience and foreign policy savvy. More importantly, it signaled to moderates that when it matters, Obama makes sensible, pragmatic choices.
Obama's speech at the Democratic convention only fortified his centrist credentials. Refusing to shrink from even the most divisive social issues, he walked a fine yet commonsensical line down the center on topics like abortion, immigration and same-sex marriage, calling for us to "find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort."
While this kind of post-partisan talk has defined the Obama campaign thus far, until now he had been unable to effectively balance his message of change with concrete policy proposals. This is no longer the case. Obama used his speech to "spell out exactly what that change would mean" in his administration.
This included a plan to eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, the implementation of higher fuel efficiency standards for cars, and a plan to end American oil dependence in 10 years. All of this was underscored by a reminder of the importance of individual responsibility.
In other words, he put forward practical, nondogmatic policies.
He also used the speech to reach out to values voters, budget hawks and disaffected conservatives. Referencing the black community, Obama urged fathers to "take more responsibility for providing the love and guidance their children need." This is an issue that McCain can't touch - and it excites those who vote on family values. He promised to "go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work" and admitted that "fulfilling America's promise will require more than just money" - no doubt inspiring some fiscal conservatives who have become disillusioned with the GOP.
Obama's appeal to independent voters was only helped by McCain's selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. The news was met with great fanfare by McCain's conservative base, but left many independent voters rather disappointed, if not a bit perplexed. It was a pick to excite the base - almost 90% of whom view Palin favorably, according to a recent Washington Post/USA Today poll - in a year where Democrats are much more popular than Republicans.
If McCain was determined to shake up the race with a risky pick, he would have been much better served by Joe Lieberman. A McCain-Lieberman ticket would have nullified any claim Obama had to nonpartisan pragmatism, while also showing off McCain's ability to make bold decisions when the stakes are high.
Choosing Palin, on the other hand, was interpreted by many as a political ploy demonstrating that McCain is more than willing to pander to his base, even if it means putting the security of the nation in jeopardy by anointing a relatively inexperienced politician as his possible successor.
Yes, Palin's convention speech was a made-for-TV sensation. But it was also profoundly partisan. In fact, as a recent focus group conducted by the Detroit Free Press demonstrated, her repeated belittling of Obama's experience likely drove away many moderates - especially when compared to the more substantive, cordial speeches we saw at the Democratic convention.
McCain's convention appearance didn't help much either. While his speech stressed bipartisanship and consensus - and avoided references to President Bush and the Republican Party - it was underwhelming and unconvincing.
If anything, the buildup to McCain's speech - filled with red-hot rhetoric from Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson and others - reminded voters that McCain's positions don't deviate very far from standard Republican tract.
Still, Obama hardly has the political center sewn up. To date, he has said far too little about protecting our ports, safeguarding the nation from bioterrorism, the dangers of prescription drug importation and other serious security issues. He must hit these issues to make voters feel safe. And to win in places like Ohio - where the race is dead even, according to the latest CNN poll - he must continue his appeals to values voters, fiscal conservatives and independent-minded Republicans.
Despite McCain's unexpected lead in the polls, Obama remains in the driver's seat. Unless John McCain can persuade moderate voters that he's still the maverick he once was, that's likely to be how things will stay.
Schoen was a campaign consultant for more than 30 years and is the author of "Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two-Party System." He was an adviser to President Bill Clinton in the 1990s and advised Mayor Bloomberg in his 2001 and 2005 campaigns.
On the other hand if America pulls out of Iraq now, the region will destabilize and you will see price of oil skyrocket. This is not an advantage for Obama.
Ever heard of a saying one bird in hand is worth two in the bush? Same logic applies here. If you are struggling today do what you can today and think about the future while you are at it. Drilling makes sense for the time being. While research continues on renewable sources of energy, America needs to drill now. Reject drilling is no advantage to Obama.
Bad business models, mismanagement are to blame not tax cuts and deregulation. If tax cuts and regulation were to blame the fallout would have been across corporate America not just to these companies. I don't see Obama's advantage here.
How is Obama going to afford full coverage for all Americans? The same Obama who wants to give tax cuts for 95% of Americans. The same Obama who wants to make college affordable. Those are just few of his promises. Even a fool can see the numbers simply don't add up. Even if he raises 100% taxes for the wealthy I don't believe he will have enough to cover all those promises.
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