US Election Coverage 2008

[Icadon]

Duh hii thread naona imechukua turns za kila aina kuanzia watu kuandika gaynese mpaka sasa hivi watu wanapeana historia....!!!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

What makes you think "Mr. Braun" needs to be informed about the origin of Obama? The article I posted already states why "Mr. Braun" calls Obama his slave. The reason is Obama is black and "Mr. Braun" does not like him (Obama). What kind of Black or Obama's ancestry is irrelevant to "Mr. Braun".



So you are referring to Manji as a Monkey, fine. But let me ask you a question, if a Monkey (Manji) manages to outsmart, exploit and get rich off your back what does that make or say about you?

Why do I care to dispute something that happened so long ago and has little to no effect on my life today? Perhaps you should be concerned about who is indentured slave today in East Africa. Here is a hint...it ain't the "Wadosi" and it ain't the "Wazungu"

I dislike you but I have to give credit where it's due. You are right on!! If a monkey manages to do all of that to you, then obviously you are lower or dumber than that monkey. Good comeback Raj.

 

[BP Biscuit Mane]

What makes you think "Mr. Braun" needs to be informed about the origin of Obama? The article I posted already states why "Mr. Braun" calls Obama his slave. The reason is Obama is black and "Mr. Braun" does not like him (Obama). What kind of Black or Obama's ancestry is irrelevant to "Mr. Braun".

Lets face it Monkey Supporter: the fact of the matter is Obama the Black beat Caucasian Clinton in the actual vote tally to win the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Thats it and thats that. Nobody gives a hoot if fringe clowns like "Mr Braun" call Obama a slave and despise him for simply being Black. Obama won. Clinton lost. Case closed.

Applying more or less the same line of reasoning, I, for one, do not stand the very sight of Wadosi scum and think they all resemble monkeys. But regardless of my subjectively held beliefs and prejudices, this doesn't stop busines savvy suave monkeys like Manji from enriching themselves through illicit wheeling and dealing in my very own country.

So you are referring to Manji as a Monkey, fine. But let me ask you a question, if a Monkey (Manji) manages to outsmart, exploit and get rich off your back what does that make or say about you?

Refer to comments made above.

I]Why do I care to dispute something that happened so long ago and has little to no effect on my life today[/I]? Perhaps you should be concerned about who is indentured slave today in East Africa. Here is a hint...it ain't the "Wadosi" and it ain't the "Wazungu"

Thats beyond the issue. The fact that you've conceded (at least implicitly) that you as a Mdosi most probably are descended from slaves and coolies brought to Africa from India, and African American Obama is not is all that matters here.

 

[The Truth]

Lets face it Monkey Supporter: the fact of the matter is Obama the Black beat Caucasian Clinton in the actual vote tally to win the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Thats it and thats that. Nobody gives a hoot if fringe clowns like "Mr Braun" call Obama a slave and despise him for simply being Black. Obama won. Clinton lost. Case closed.

Oh really? Then why was the person wearing the T-shirt that says "Obama is my slave" assaulted? See the quote below from the story I posted

When a 25-year-old Manhattan graduate student who was assaulted Tuesday night got dressed that morning, she probably didn’t anticipate that her T-shirt would provoke four teens into shoving her, pulling out her earphones and spitting in her face.

Obviously somebody cares (at least four teens). Obviously you care as you wouldn't have replied to my post.

Applying more or less the same line of reasoning, I, for one, do not stand the very sight of Wadosi scum and think they all resemble monkeys. But regardless of my subjectively held beliefs and prejudices, this doesn't stop busines savvy suave monkeys like Manji from enriching themselves through illicit wheeling and dealing in my very own country.

I am not going to address this monkey business any further because it will simply lead to me being banned from the forum. I have made my point so I'll let you have the last laugh on this point.

Thats beyond the issue. The fact that you've conceded (at least implicitly) that you as a Mdosi most probably are descended from slaves and coolies brought to Africa from India, and African American Obama is not is all that matters here.

By any definition of the word slavery or slaves, it could certainly be applied towards Africans during colonialism. In fact during colonialism, Africans had it worse than "Wadosi" when you really look at it. But again being a descendant of a slave is not the reason why "Mr. Braun" called Obama his slave. We have gone through this explanation. I don't care to repeat myself.

 

[Susuviri]

Dar Si lamu, mimi naona kwamba hi thread imebadilika katika mazungumzo kwa sababu hivi sasa GOP wameishiwa point, na wanaona kwamba the only 'strong' point that McCain had was Iraq, and he admitted it will make or break him, lakini inaonekana hii ya alMaliki kusema hadharani that he wants the Americans to leave ASAP and implicitly endorsing Obama's plan is a HUGE blow na saa hizi wako katika damagae contol but it is to late. So now they have nothing to argue about, wamebaki kutumia racism and some very base techniques. Sasa ndo unaona hizo t-shirts au angalia a state senator mzima anafanya upuuzi gani:

Wakikosa hoja huleta vioja!!

 

[Susuviri]

Oh really? Then why was the person wearing the T-shirt that says "Obama is my slave" assaulted? See the quote below from the story I posted

When a 25-year-old Manhattan graduate student who was assaulted Tuesday night got dressed that morning, she probably didn’t anticipate that her T-shirt would provoke four teens into shoving her, pulling out her earphones and spitting in her face.

Obviously somebody cares (at least four teens). Obviously you care as you wouldn't have replied to my post.

I am not going to address this monkey business any further because it will simply lead to me being banned from the forum. I have made my point so I'll let you have the last laugh on this point.

By any definition of the word slavery or slaves, it could certainly be applied towards Africans during colonialism. In fact during colonialism, Africans had it worse than "Wadosi" when you really look at it. But again being a descendant of a slave is not the reason why "Mr. Braun" called Obama his slave. We have gone through this explanation. I don't care to repeat myself.

Nadhani kuna misunderstanding hapa, maana BIscuit maine alifikiri unatetea hii issue. Lakini labda ungetueleza lengo la kupost this story.
I find it very disgusting and offensive for someone to wear a tshirt like that and it is downright racist.

 

[The Truth]

Nadhani kuna misunderstanding hapa, maana BIscuit maine alifikiri unatetea hii issue. Lakini labda ungetueleza lengo la kupost this story.
I find it very disgusting and offensive for someone to wear a tshirt like that and it is downright racist.

Come on, don't excuse Biscuit's racist rant towards "Wadosi" as misunderstanding. If I had break out a similar rant towards Africans I would have been banned immediately from the forum no matter the circumstances. As far as the story is concerned I am not endorsing it, I simply posted it because I found it interesting and related to this thread.

 

[BP Biscuit Mane]

But again being a descendant of a slave is not the reason why "Mr. Braun" called Obama his slave. We have gone through this explanation. I don't care to repeat myself.

Who are you trying to fool now, Monkey Supporter? You just claimed above that "Mr. Braun" did what he did because Obama happens to be Black. This is what you wrote earlier:

The article I posted already states why "Mr. Braun" calls Obama his slave. The reason is Obama is black and "Mr. Braun" does not like him (Obama). What kind of Black or Obama's ancestry is irrelevant to "Mr. Braun".

Now what exactly made you arrive to that kind of conclusion when in the article we are told that:

"I can't stand Obama," Braun says, adding that it's not because the Illinois senator is black. "That's the only thing I like about him. He opens the door for other minorities."

So, its clear that you are dead wrong! "Mr. Braun" has nothing against Obama's Blackness and in fact appreciates the visibility that Obama carries it with him.

You are still up to your old ways of twisting and bending the simple truth in order to fit your narrow anti-African agenda, aren't you, Monkey Supporter?

 

[Susuviri]

Come on, don't excuse Biscuit's racist rant towards "Wadosi" as misunderstanding. If I had break out a similar rant towards Africans I would have been banned immediately from the forum no matter the circumstances. As far as the story is concerned I am not endorsing it, I simply posted it because I found it interesting and related to this thread.

I have not excused Biscuit! I have personally been outspoken critic of racism on this forum, the moderators can testify to that! I don't tolerate racism in any form!
But I was more interested in your opinion because you started this discussion by posting the article and pix. You said you found it 'intersting' not shocking, disgusting, racist, moronic etc. Why did you just find it interesting? What is interesting in an incident of a racist person who gets beaten up for wearing a racist t-shirt?

 

[Susuviri]

Who are you trying to fool now, Monkey Supporter? You just claimed above that "Mr. Braun" did what he did because Obama happens to be Black. This is what you wrote earlier:



Now what exactly made you arrive to that kind of conclusion when in the article we are told that:

“I can’t stand Obama,” Braun says, adding that it’s not because the Illinois senator is black. “That’s the only thing I like about him. He opens the door for other minorities.”

Biscuit, I think that this can be an interesting discussion, but we should avoid name-calling because it degenerates any intellectual debate into base, ugly shouting matches.
The fear of many whites is that Obama will opne the door for minorities,and there are African Americans who think that Obama presidency will mean more Black power, but I think that Obama is new generation not Anko Jesse (Jackson) generation and he thinks differently. Just see the controversial remarks of Jesse Jackson Sr on Fox news, he thinks that Obama is selling out, but he doesn't understand that for BO it is not about civil rights movement, it is about United America.
I find the t-shirt incident a minor blimp on the radar and there is more to come, but it is good because the more virulent, racist people are, the more support BO gets!

 

[The Truth]

Who are you trying to fool now, Monkey Supporter? You just claimed above that "Mr. Braun" did what he did because Obama happens to be Black. This is what you wrote earlier:



Now what exactly made you arrive to that kind of conclusion when in the article we are told that:

“I can’t stand Obama,” Braun says, adding that it’s not because the Illinois senator is black. “That’s the only thing I like about him. He opens the door for other minorities.”

So, its clear that you are dead wrong! "Mr. Braun" has nothing against Obama's Blackness and in fact appreciates the visibility that Obama carries it with him.

Nice attempt but not even close. Let's look closely at the sentence that you quoted


The reason is Obama is black and "Mr. Braun" does not like him (Obama).

Mr. Braun admitted that when people see Obama they see a slave. Why? What is about Obama that would make anyone see a slave according to Mr. Braun? Obviously it's because he is black (duh!). So there goes the first part of what I wrote i.e. "The reason is Obama is black".

Now for the second part, Mr. Braun admitted that he can't stand Obama (this is in the article I posted, I am not lying look it up). Hence the second part of my sentence i.e. "Mr. Braun does not like him".

So you see Biscuit Maine, the conclusion you came up with about what I wrote is entirely in your head. You are just seeing things that are not there.

You are still up to your old ways of twisting and bending the simple truth in order to fit your narrow anti-African agenda, aren't you, Monkey Supporter?

I have no such agenda.

 

[The Truth]

I have not excused Biscuit! I have personally been outspoken critic of racism on this forum, the moderators can testify to that! I don't tolerate racism in any form!
But I was more interested in your opinion because you started this discussion by posting the article and pix. You said you found it 'intersting' not shocking, disgusting, racist, moronic etc. Why did you just find it interesting? What is interesting in an incident of a racist person who gets beaten up for wearing a racist t-shirt?

No, there was no need for me to use those adjectives i.e. shocking, disgusting, racist, moronic, etc. I would have used them if you too would have used those same adjectives on what Biscuit's posted about "Wadosi" but you haven't so far. If you had taken this moral upper-hand then perhaps I might have and your question would have been answered.

 

[Susuviri]

No, there was no need for me to use those adjectives i.e. shocking, disgusting, racist, moronic, etc. I would have used them if you too would have used those same adjectives on what Biscuit's posted about "Wadosi" but you haven't so far. If you had taken this moral upper-hand then perhaps I might have and your question would have been answered.

The Truth, you can't see the forest from the trees. What you and Biscuit have done is degenerate into name calling, I am not interested in that. I am asking about your original post which I have qualified . But you want to take this into another direction. This thread has been a good place to debate many different issues but what you have done collectively with Biscuit is to degenerate this dialogue to childish tirades.
What was the original intent of your post? Why did you find it interesting? I am not a school teacher or parent trying to decide between two quarelling children! I am interested in your take on the issue. If you want to act as if you are so offended by something that I did not say, that's your right and I will continue to debate other issues with other members like Icadon - issues that are constructive to this thread. Siku njema, brother!

 

[Susuviri]

Ok, another media 'myth' has been viciously terminated about Barack Obama:

If Barack Obama has a problem among Jewish voters, then Sen. Joseph Lieberman is in monumental trouble.

Among the most high-profile Jews in Congress, Lieberman is viewed far more unfavorably than the presumptive Democratic nominee, according to a new poll. Only 37 percent of Jews view the Connecticut Independent in a favorable light compared to 48 percent who have a negative perception. As for Obama, 60 percent of Jews view him favorably while 34 percent view him unfavorably.
The findings were released as part of a recent survey of American Jews by the new progressive pro-Israel group J Street. They seem to upturn some of this year's conventional political wisdom.

Obama, who is set to travel to Israel this week, is often described in the press as facing significant obstacles to winning Jewish support, in part because of false claims that he is a Muslim. Lieberman, meanwhile, is regularly quoted disparaging Obama's credentials on topics considered dear to the Jewish voter's heart: toughness on Iran and support for the Jewish state. Asked recently whether he should be questioning Obama's commitment to Israel, the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee responded, "why wouldn't I do that?"

Sasa Babu Lieberman naona ni afadhali abaki kumshauri babu McCain alafu watakapomaliza usanii wao waende wakapumzike kama retirees (I am sure hata hiyo senate seat yake haijakaa vizuri)

 

[BP Biscuit Mane]

Biscuit, I think that this can be an interesting discussion, but we should avoid name-calling because it degenerates any intellectual debate into base, ugly shouting matches.
The fear of many whites is that Obama will opne the door for minorities,and there are African Americans who think that Obama presidency will mean more Black power, but I think that Obama is new generation not Anko Jesse (Jackson) generation and he thinks differently. Just see the controversial remarks of Jesse Jackson Sr on Fox news, he thinks that Obama is selling out, but he doesn't understand that for BO it is not about civil rights movement, it is about United America.
I find the t-shirt incident a minor blimp on the radar and there is more to come, but it is good because the more virulent, racist people are, the more support BO gets!

Susuviri, I have no doubt at all that you know more about these kinds of issues than I'd ever bother to pursue or follow up myself on the internet and media. I respect your opinion, and wouldn't agree more with you that we all ought to engage in decent objective debating and avoid use of name calling and expletives.

 

[Yo Yo]

Heee! naona utotozi Nyani inakuwaje mtu mzima Ngabu?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Leo nimecheka sana. Unajua Obama bila teleprompter au bila prepared notes huwa anachemka sana. Kwenye mkutano wake na waandishi wa habari leo alishikwa na kigugumizi cha ajabu. Huyu jamaa ni fraud tu...hana lolote.

 

[Icadon]

Obama's wristband honors a slain soldier

Barack Obama is wearing a wristband in memory of a soldier killed in Iraq, given to him by a mother who said she wants the Democratic presidential candidate to keep others from dying.

Tracy Jopek of Merrill, Wis., gave Obama the bracelet at a rally Friday night in Green Bay, and Obama was still wearing it Saturday as he campaigned across the state before Tuesday's primary.

The bracelet has her son's name, Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, and the date the 20-year-old was killed in Iraq by a roadside bomb, Aug. 2, 2006. "All gave some -- He gave all," it says.

"She gave me this wristband, which I'm very grateful for," Obama told the Green Bay audience, halting and lowering his voice from his normally upbeat presentation. "I meet mothers and family members all over the country who are still mourning their children but are also thinking about the young men and women who are still over there and wondering when it will end."

Obama has not made a point of showing it to reporters or others on the campaign trail. A campaign staffer described it as black metal band with silver lettering.

 

[Yo Yo]

Leo nimecheka sana. Unajua Obama bila teleprompter au bila prepared notes huwa anachemka sana. Kwenye mkutano wake na waandishi wa habari leo alishikwa na kigugumizi cha ajabu. Huyu jamaa ni fraud tu...hana lolote.

Kuangalizia ni tatizo kubwa la kidunia kwa viongozi wengi.......muuaji Joji kichaka ni namba moja kuna wakti alikuwa anawekewa vispika vidoogo masikioni awe anasaidiwa kujibu maswali ya waandihi....aliweza Mzee kifimbo peke yake.....Sema lingine

 

[Susuviri]

Leo nimecheka sana. Unajua Obama bila teleprompter au bila prepared notes huwa anachemka sana. Kwenye mkutano wake na waandishi wa habari leo alishikwa na kigugumizi cha ajabu. Huyu jamaa ni fraud tu...hana lolote.

Kwanza mambo, Nyani? hii ishu ya kigugumizi cha Obama, naomba kuuliza, inawezekana ana kigugumizi kweli, yaani stammer?
but on a more serious note, kile kinatokana na kuwa akili yake inaenda spidi na mdomo wake unachelewa. Pia huwa anapima anachoongea na haropoki kama Babu Makopo. Cheki Maverick McCain alivyojiaibisha ilibidi CBS wajaribu kuficha aibu yake lakini ukweli ukafichuka!:

During a CBS interview on Tuesday, John McCain made a stone cold error on a subject about which he claims expert knowledge: the "surge" strategy in Iraq. In an interview with anchor Katie Couric, the Arizona Republican said, inaccurately, that the surge strategy was responsible for the much-touted "Anbar Awakening," in which Sunni sheiks turned against Al Qaeda, helping in turn to reduce violence in the country.

From the transcript:

Katie Couric: Senator McCain, Senator Obama says, while the increased number of US troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni awakening and the Shiite government going after militias. And says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What's your response to that?

McCain: I don't know how you respond to something that is as-- such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel MacFarland was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that's just a matter of history.


In fact, as Spencer Ackerman and Ilan Goldenberg have reported, the record firmly establishes the opposite: instead of being caused by the surge, the key signs of the Anbar Awakening occurred not only before that strategy was implemented, but before it was ever conceived.

Yet McCain's error was not seen by any CBS Evening News viewers. As MSNBC's Keith Olbermann noted (video below), "CBS curiously, to say the least, left it on the edit room floor. It aired Katie Couric's question, but in response, it aired part of McCain's answer to the other question instead." (Ironically, this edit came on the same day that McCain's campaign released a video mocking the media's "love affair" with Obama.)

The fact remains, however, that the military official cited by McCain, then-Colonel Sean MacFarland, described the Anbar Awakening in September 2006 -- four months before the "surge" was even announced -- noting that tribal leaders were "stepping forward and cooperating with the Iraqi security forces against Al Qaeda." Moreover, a military review written by MacFarland notes that his unit actually left Anbar before most of the surge troops arrived; his success in the region came between June 2006 and February 2007.

Naona alikutana na Jindal kwa siri maana ilibidi Babu awekewe mikono na kuombewa na the exorcist Jindal ili asinene upuuzi hadharani - washindwe na walegee! 🙂