Rwanda - Tanzania Tensions Flare Again

[Jasusi]

We do have an idea of what we are talking about. We have eyes and ears, we see and hear, that is why we are not buying your gibberish.

What we have learnt is that you may be a saddist, blood thirsty, toady and pyscopath. You enjoyed to hear tutsis you did not like got killed, and now you are enjoying to hear hutus you do not like get killed. This puts you at par with Bagosora.

FYI, we Tanzanians are not stressed, we enjoy our life in whatever shape it is. We have been into war before, we do not like it, that is even why our president is sure that talking is best way than fighting. We know that vita sio lele mama, because we fought one, (a couple to be precise), but you should know that we are not afraid of one, even if it comes today.

I think we in Tanzania should mind our own business. Kikwete has failed as a leader and now he is looking for a showdown with Kagame to shore up his legacy.

 

[Mayunga96]

Ni lazima awe na hofu kwa kuwa harakati zote za mabadiliko na mapinduzi yenye tija katika ukanda huu wa afrika mashariki na kusini yalianzia Tanzania.
Anapoona na wapinzani wake wameanza kujenga mahusiano mema na Tanzania ni sawa na kona maandalizi ya ukombozi kama alivyo yafanya yeye kwa support yetu.

Atakuwa amekosea sana kwani majasusi wote wa Rwanda waliopo Tanzania kwa kujifanya ni maraia waliozaliwa huku na kusoma huku tunawajua vizuri na watawaponza ndugu zetu waTutsi wengine wasio na hatia huku.

 

[Mayunga96]

Kwa jinsi anavyolianzisha hivi PK anaendelea kuwaponza waTutsi walioko Tanzania kwani hatutaangalia huyu anahusika au huyu hausiki kwakuwa ni watu wasioaminika hata kidogo katika ukanda huu.

Wakiendelea kuleta chokochoko tutawaanika kwa majina wale wote wanaoonekana kama majasusi wa Rwanda humu Nchini ili washughulikiwe kwa jinsi itakavyofaa.

 

[Mayunga96]

i think we in tanzania should mind our own business. Kikwete has failed as a leader and now he is looking for a showdown with kagame to shore up his legacy.

wewe ni jasusi wa rwanda...ipo siku yako tutakuchinja kama kuku.

 

[Koba]

We do have an idea of what we are talking about. We have eyes and ears, we see and hear, that is why we are not buying your gibberish.

What we have learnt is that you may be a saddist, blood thirsty, toady and pyscopath. You enjoyed to hear tutsis you did not like got killed, and now you are enjoying to hear hutus you do not like get killed. This puts you at par with Bagosora.

FYI, we Tanzanians are not stressed, we enjoy our life in whatever shape it is. We have been into war before, we do not like it, that is even why our president is sure that talking is best way than fighting. We know that vita sio lele mama, because we fought one, (a couple to be precise), but you should know that we are not afraid of one, even if it comes today.

Unachekesha sana wewe,na vitisho vyako vya nyau wapelekee mafala wenzako,ila nakusifu is not easy to figure you out maana you can go from very knowledgeable/ educated to clueless and completely asshole

 

[seleman2013]

Mwache ajidanganye tu, but kama andhan anintelligensia ya kutosha ya wanyarwanda hapa Tanzania asidhan, Tanzania haina intelligensia ya kutosha huko Rwanda, hana hoja na hatumuogopi, yeye aendelee kutisha waasi wenzie huko siyo TZ.

 

[East African Eagle]

Majasusi wote wa Rwanda waliopo Tanzania kwa kujifanya ni maraia waliozaliwa huku na kusoma huku tunawajua vizuri.

Ni kweli mkuu .Hata wale waliokuwa wakijificha miaka walikuwa hawajifichi hasa Tanzania ilipokuwa na uhusiano mzuri na Rwanda.Ilikuwa rahisi kuwajua hata kwenye vikao vya pombe maana wengi wao hasa wanaume ni watu wa starehe kwenda mbele kuanzia pombe na kubadilisha wanawake hasa wale vimwana watoto wa wakubwa serikalini na mashirika ya umma na wanawake high profile wenye madaraka serikalini na mashirika ya umma wenyewe wanawaita classic women.
Pia wanawake wa Kinyarwanda vile vile wapenda kuwinda wanaume high profile men wenye vyeo serikalini na mashirika ya umma nao walikuwa hawafichi identity zao na kazi zao nyeti kwa niaba ya Rwanda n.k

Wanyarwanda Wengine hata waliokuwa maofisini wakijifanya ni wazawa wa bukoba n.k kwa miaka mingi walijitokeza wazi kusema wao ni wanyarwanda baada ya kagame kuingia madarakani.Walijifunua wazi kabisa.Wengi walivua hijabu zao Kagame alipoingia madarakani na kujiweka wazi hivyo wengi wanajulikana barabara.

 

[Koba]

Kwa jinsi anavyolianzisha hivi PK anaendelea kuwaponza waTutsi walioko Tanzania kwani hatutaangalia huyu anahusika au huyu hausiki kwakuwa ni watu wasioaminika hata kidogo katika ukanda huu.

Wakiendelea kuleta chokochoko tutawaanika kwa majina wale wote wanaoonekana kama majasusi wa Rwanda humu Nchini ili washughulikiwe kwa jinsi itakavyofaa.

Mayunga ulifeli form two na internet umeiba wapi Leo mayunga?

 

[Koba]

Ni kweli mkuu .Hata wale waliokuwa wakijificha miaka walikuwa hawajifichi hasa Tanzania ilipokuwa na uhusiano mzuri na Rwanda.Ilikuwa rahisi kuwajua hata kwenye vikao vya pombe maana wengi wao hasa wanaume ni watu wa starehe kwenda mbele kuanzia pombe na kubadilisha wanawake hasa wale vimwana watoto wa wakubwa serikalini na mashirika ya umma na wanawake high profile wenye madaraka serikalini na mashirika ya umma wenyewe wanawaita classic women.
Pia wanawake wa Kinyarwanda vile vile wapenda kuwinda wanaume high profile men wenye vyeo serikalini na mashirika ya umma nao walikuwa hawafichi identity zao na kazi zao nyeti kwa niaba ya Rwanda n.k

Wanyarwanda Wengine hata waliokuwa maofisini wakijifanya ni wazawa wa bukoba n.k kwa miaka mingi walijitokeza wazi kusema wao ni wanyarwanda baada ya kagame kuingia madarakani.Walijifunua wazi kabisa.Wengi walivua hijabu zao Kagame alipoingia madarakani na kujiweka wazi hivyo wengi wanajulikana barabara.

Unaonekana hata elimu Huna..sorry.

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

HUKO NEWTIMES MJADALA UMEPAMBA MOTO.....
LAST WEEK President Jakaya Kikwete of Tanzania rolled out the red carpet for Faustin Twagiramungu, once Rwanda's Prime Minister. It is unusual for a head of state to give VIP treatment to an ordinary individual with no known achievements, or political status in his country.
Twagiramungu's only claim to distinction is his dismal failure as prime minister, perennial grumbling, plotting against his country and a high level of ingratitude to people who saved his life.
In normal circumstances this would be considered a diplomatic faux pas considering that Tanzania and Rwanda are neighbours and partner states in the East African Community.
Obviously this fact is not strong enough to dissuade some people against abandoning customary civilised conduct. In that sense Twagiramungu's high level reception was not unexpected. In fact, it fits into a pattern that became public early in 2013.
The visit comes after Twagiramungu announced an alliance of his little known party (to do with dreams or something) with the genocidal Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR).
His announcement followed another one by the Bernard Ntaganda faction of PS-Imberakuri that they were also forming an alliance with FDLR.
The Rwanda National Congress of another Faustin – Kayumba Nyamwasa – has been desperately trying to get hitched to the genocidal bandwagon. If they have not gone the whole distance, it is because of mutual mistrust, not for lack of effort.
So immediately the announcements are made, Twagiramungu and co. hops off to Dar es Salaam to meet President Kikwete. Was it on their initiative? No. They were invited. Was this a friendly visit to an old buddy? Yes and no.
Some of you will remember that a year ago, President Kikwete proposed that the Government of Rwanda should negotiate with the FDLR for them to return home and for peace in the Great Lakes Region.
To Rwandans busy rebuilding their country and their Rwandanness, Kikwete's proposal was either the result of great disrespect and insensitivity or part of a wider plan against Rwanda.
As it now turns out, that outrageous suggestion was not the random muttering of someone with nothing useful to say, but part of a well-thought out strategy.
The answer to his preposterous proposal was unequivocal. No – there can never be any negotiations with genocidaires.
President Kikwete and his new-found foreign allies – the same that are responsible for all the mayhem in this region – must have realised that the proposal for talks could not fly. In the eyes of Rwandans and other right-thinking people, FDLR was a criminal, terrorist and genocidal organisation and not a legitimate political party.
And so they had to move to the next stage of the plan – to legitimise it. Hence the rush for a PS Imberakuri faction and Twagiramungu to announce their alliance with the FDLR.
Allying with parties perceived to be free of genocide connections was obviously meant to erase the genocide label from FDLR and turn it into an acceptable and credible political organisation.
Whitewashing FDLR is the first phase in a two-pronged strategy by Kikwete, Rwandan fugitives and foreign powers to pressure the Government of Rwanda into negotiating with it.
Their thinking seems to be that if the genocide label is hidden from view and the base of the organisation broadened, the FDLR would gain credibility and there would be no more reason for Rwanda not to negotiate with it.
If this is not enough to push Rwanda into talks, there is a back-up position – use of force. This second phase of the strategy is already under way.
It is well-known that the FDLR has been an integral part of the forces that fought M23 rebels in the eastern D R Congo. This alliance of forces included MONUSCO, DRC army and special UN Intervention Brigade whose bulk of troops was provided by Tanzania.
It is also common knowledge that in the joint operations against M23 some of the UN arms were given to FDLR. The same weapons are expected to be used by the FDLR and its allies to fight their way into Rwanda.
This part of the strategy explains why the Intervention Brigade whose mandate was to fight all negative forces in DRC has made no move against FDLR. You simply cannot fight an ally, especially if that ally also happens to be a vital element of your strategy.
This is not the first attempt to legitimise FDLR. Its apologists led by Human Rights Watch, MONUSCO and some of the many special envoys to the DRC have argued that it is no longer made up of genocidaires but children born after the genocide.
And these should not be condemned because of the sins of their parents, that there is no issue of original sin here.
The trouble is that FDLR remains a genocidal organisation despite all the attempts to wash it clean. It has not renounced the ideology of genocide. The children born in FDLR territory in DRC in the last twenty years have been brought up on that ideology and know no other.
In that sense they are worse than their parents. But in any case they have always been invited to return home, and thousands have done so.
The political parties now allied to FDLR to give it a cleaner face and broader base have no national character and represent only a few people – mainly their founders.
Their leaders, such as Twagiramungu have lost touch with reality and live in a permanent state of reverie. President Kikwete is gambling on the wrong people.
The option of fighting the Rwanda Defence Force – well, that is a different proposition that only the foolhardy, the utterly stupid or suicidal can contemplate. I would strongly advise against it.
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What does Kikwete want?

02:41:43 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Eastern Suburbs - Peter DM

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To me KIKWETE's proposal wasn't neither the result of great disrespect nor of insensitivity, but of a wider plan against Rwanda. Kagame talks much about Rwanda and Rwandans,...Africa and Africans,...but some African leaders and Africans are not yet ready to be free people.
They are good to be slaves.They are not ready for their dignity. Do you know the story of MACONCO and the King in Burundi?
May God bless Rwanda,Rwandans and the leaders of Rwanda. May God protect AFRICA.

06:35:15 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 w - b r

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Who currently makes up the FDLR is not what matters today. What matters is their founding genocidal ideology which still stands today. Sympathizing with them is being not regretful of what happened in 1994, its a pity.

08:06:33 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - Eddie

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Is it conceivable that the death of his bosom friend, fellow philanderer and notorious trafficker in every imaginable thing, Patrick Karegeya, has finally pushed our friend in Ikulu over the edge?
Don't they have adults in charge of our neighbours' foreign policy establishment, willing and able to counteract his readiness to listen to the siren songs and inducements that his emmissary Bernard Membe is getting every time he flies to Paris?
Or is it in fact Dar pushing the anti-Kigali agenda with Paris only too happy to oblige?
Whatever the case, our Mkwele friend seems hell-bent on biting off more than he can safely chew, let alone swallow. And his far-off friends won't be able to aid him. Wise people throughout history have cautioned against courting distant friends while alienating very close neighbours.

08:07:58 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 jkalinda@gmail.com - Mwene Kalinda

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We don't want any more wars, Rwanda is at peace now, a good neighbor is suppose to support the legitimate government and not otherwise. God Bless Africa, any evil plans will fail, in Your holy name.

08:22:04 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Dar es Salaam - Milka

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i love how this article is detailed, true en practical, kp it up joe.

08:27:05 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - Jackson Onyango

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Sometimes I wonder whether the Tanzanian Government clearly understands Rwanda today! Tiny as it, it has the capacity to not only defend itself but disorganise and disorient any enemy force however big and large the size.
There are precedents set before. Tanzania had better rethink its position on Rwanda lest its hummiliated beyond reproach. I am no war monger but that the reality.

08:54:17 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Harare,Zimbabwe - Bob Kirenga

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Bob, you have it right and wrong. It isn't Rwanda that destabilises the 'mighty' enemy. It is a factor long in possession of the tutsi people that whoever harms them by proxy or otherwise find themselves in hot soup.
I have cautioned JMK from the days of Bigaruka that he should desist from giving his offspring a feud for an inheritance. Christians should pray hard for this fellow. He is selling what is invaluable for a single meal.
Meanwhile TZ sober citizens, your ship is moving in uncharted waters by a very reckless skipper.

14:32:47 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kacyiru - Kennedy Maridadi to Bob Kirenga

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This article has no any material facts. It is a piece of insinuation bent to mud-sling Tanzania. The writer seem to have poor reasoning as he is writing to satisfy his hunger of bitterness.
Tanzania has no intention to support any kind of agression against Rwandans. We all know that Rwanda was irked by our accepting to contribute to the UN Mission to restore peace in DRC.
But remember Tanzania did not sent our forces on a private mission rather we responded to the international call. Our forces are operating in Rwanda within the confines of international law.
We responded on the moral call, we support peace in DRC, we are tired of constant surge of violence, displacement, human rights abuse against especially helpless and vulnerable women and children.
It is inconceivable that Tanzania wants to cause trouble in Rwanda. Any effort or action done by Tanzania is for the good and stability of Rwanda. The earlier you understand this the better.

09:47:34 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Mwanza - kadulyu

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Kadulyu, Mr. Rwagatare's piece does not pretend to be a news article presenting only facts to this paper's readers. Rather it presents a number of news items presenting a number of troubling facts to comment on President Kikwete's growing and incomprehensible links with the FDLR, RNC and their other similarly active anti-Rwanda Government political and armed groups.
The real question patriotic Tanzanians should be asking is: what does your President hope to gain for himself and your country in from these openly hostile moves?

10:40:31 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 jkalinda@gmail.com - Mwene Kalinda to kadulyu

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I agree with you, the author is NOT objective in his analysis. In as much as TZ may NOT be a favorite in EAC i dnt think they wish to see problems next door since they will bear any brunt of refugees.

11:31:44 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - K Abatesi to kadulyu

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Bwana kadulyu you should better leave such senstive matters to those who know better. If you have nothing to you better go to those bitches and drink silly out your self.
If you remember very correctly you kikwete was by then the foreign affairs minister when our beloved country was facing the most horible situation in the world and he said nothing (Kikwete).
And now irking with the forgiveness ideas to the same p'ple, why now for the same p'ple? By the he is not the one tell us who to forgive, Rwandans know who and how to forgive so he you and you Kikwete should Rwandan matters to Rwandese them selves.

11:46:13 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 K\'la Ug - Zigama to kadulyu

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The problem is that the only source of information you rely is News of Rwanda and New Times. Kikwete was the Minister of Finance in 1994 before he became Minister of Foreign Affairs in November, 1995. Kikwete wishes you well rather than living in the past,

16:21:47 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Mwanza - Manzi to Zigama

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Let Bwana Kadulyu tell us some thing about Kikwete giving a red carpet to Twagiramungu and other FDLR members. Is it worth of a sitting president to that to a neighbor?

12:56:53 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - seth to kadulyu

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You seem not to understand what you're writing. "...Our forces are operating in Rwanda within the confines of international law....". Get your facts right, forces of the UN intervention brigade are operating in eastern DRC not in Rwanda. and their actions are supposedly meant for the stabilization of eastern Congo not Rwanda as you're trying to put it.
There is no war in Rwanda. Too, you're the one making insinuations when you affirm that "We all know that Rwanda was irked by our accepting to contribute to the UN Mission to restore peace in DRC".
On what basis, do you affirm this? Rwanda itself participates in UN missions, how can it complain about, let alone being irked by, your country's participation in similar missions?

13:13:53 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - Cento to kadulyu

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shame on any president who plots for his neighbors

10:20:02 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 kigali - carine

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WHEN AFRICAN WILL BE MATURE? ATHERS COUNTRIES OF EAC THEY ARE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT TANZANIA LOOKS FDLR .IT IS WASTING TIME NO WAR WIIL HAPPEN AGAIN IN OUR COUNTRY.

10:43:11 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 KIGALI - ALOYS

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I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT OF TANZANIA NOT KNOW ,WHAT HAPPENED IN RWANDA DURING GENOCIDE.BUT HE IS DREAMING.

11:00:23 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 NGOMA - JEAN

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KIKWETE!!!!. DO YOU KNOW WHAT FDLR DONE IN RWANDA?BUT YOU WIIL PAY OUR PARENTS

11:07:41 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 RWANDA ,KIGALI - MAHORO

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Dear Kadulyu from Mwanza, we appreciate TPDF involvement in the regaining of peace by DRC, however your second last sentence, "Any effort or action done by Tanzania is for the good and stability of Rwanda" seems ideal, but what President Kikwete is doing now (meeting enemies of Rwanda) is entirely intended for the instability of Rwanda.
Am sure he is not discussing developmental issues such as how to improve the energy sector, improving general infrastructure etc. He is discussing with them how to accomplish what they started in Rwanda (Genocide).
As Rwandans we feel Kikwete is doing us a de-service as a neighbour. we only need to live in peace and develop our countries, we don't need war. please tell him (Kikwete) to stay away from those guys.

11:11:59 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - Shukuru

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I think...we need Development in our region than Fighting each other.....They are a lot of people who are starving, homeless...,are n`t we tired of war...!
Shame is up on to those politicians who think...people can prefer war than peace....Twagiramungu its high time for you to come home and work with other Rwandan people instead of doing something which will not be achievable..."BETTER LATE THAN NEVER"
Oyee... Rwanda, we love you.. and God bless you!

12:42:59 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Gikondo - Mark...

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Twagiramungu cannot work. He wants free money, tax payer's money. What can all these fellows on welfare assistance in Europe, USA, SA and Canada do for Rwanda?
Rwanda is already on the best way toward development, there is very good security and stability. Rwanda is open to every Rwandan to come home and there is no discrimination of any kind any more base on ethnicity, Hutu or Tutsi.
There is the "ndumunya Rwanda "program under way to get rid of all these ethnic biases. Hatred based on tribalism, shape, color and religion of Individuals is the main cause of wars and underdevelopment in Africa.
It is a shame on those greedy leaders of Africa who use or want to use these kinds of shameful cards to get to power, twagiramungu , the likes and his supporters included in the shameless team

18:00:02 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Mazimba - Kim to Mark...

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peace will forever remain in our Land. we are prayin for it and whoever is even plotin for anything bad, God will deal with them before even the rwandan gvt does, so watch out! God is in Rwanda, he is not dead.

13:21:00 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 nairobi - amy

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No facts yet one spends time to write issues that have no base at all. If the man visted TZ what is wrong with that? How did U know what they discussed. ACCORDING TO RWANDA Was it wrong for TZ to kick out M23?
WHY is it then that Rwanda always diny supporting M23? Why can it come up and say yes on its support to M23?
Where in TZ OR ELSE WERE Twagiramungu lives. why dont you talk about the country he has lived for all this time and talk a country he just visted. Do you fear it? Be at peace TZ will never kick b4 one dares to kick it

13:24:30 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Dar es Salaam - Billy

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But why alwayz Tanzania ?? Kikwete could u pl'se concentrate on ur c'ntry's issues

14:46:14 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - John mutabazi

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what do you do when you have nothing to trade? Do you rely keep in business? Tanzanians with minimum ability to map things politically can see that his regime can only afford buying disaster to his countrymen, nothing else. Wait

01:11:54 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Dar - mulamba to John mutabazi

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Kikwete should not forget that all plots done in his country by Hutu will be accountable by his Government day live any time any day. How can you expell Tutsi in your country, kill them and taking off their belongings and now in a second your dealing with Hutu in a clandestine manner?
Kikwete be informed, we are much watching and alerting you that we aren't going to tolerate more loss of our people as it was in 1994.

15:13:27 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Gikondo kigali - Joseph Muhire

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A very well articulated article. well done joseph!! Good neighbouriness is not indicated in the behaviour exhibited by our "dear friend". Rwanda and Rwandans will remain firm any actions aimed at undermining our sovereignity is totally unacceptable

15:23:47 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 musanze - hatrick

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Now i know why there are names in Rwanda like "Ntuyenabo,", "Nsekanabo", Ndimubanzi" and in neighbouring Ugandan region Ankole "Tibenderana", "Tibeijuka", "Beitwababo".
Some situations give definition to words i always took lightly. Evil and sadism. The webster dictionary defines evil as "Intentionally causing injury or harm to someone" and sadism goes further viz "the tendency to derive pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering or humiliation on others".
Can someone get the bottom-line here? Our resolve as a country will remain as solid as ever. No one can ever plan evil against Rwanda and escape the repercussions. What happened is History.
Even to some History is tormenting them like a ghost. The future belongs to those who will be positive and look at Rwanda in a constructive rather than a destructive perspective.

16:04:56 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Makerere University. - MUNANURA JAMES

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FELLOW RWANDANS, LET US STAND FIRM

18:32:43 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kayonza - Omwiza O

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Dar es salaam has nothing against Kigali. If you at what Rwandans are doing to us, trying to tweet negative things about the country, writing negative things about the country and forgetting that we can also do the same; but no one is doing that.

20:04:04 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Dar es salaam - Francis Kessy

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I wonder how the author was able to snare into the trap the mind of Rwandans. Most Rwandans comment with the sense of hatred,a gain its a show of small minds.
Why dont you concentrate in building your country and remove hatred among yourselves, instead your debating about Kikwete not knowing that by 2015 he will be a retired president in a most peaceful and stable country in the region.
To the author just stop your ----, we saw a lot of craps during the eviction of illegal migrants from Tanzania and yet nothing happened. Now its another ----....Kikwete helping Rwandans dissident..cant stop myself laughing, WAKE UP RWANDANS...

21:11:33 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 arusha - james

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Never will I forget an old man who once told me that "every country gets the kind of the President it deserves"! True or wrong, Tanzania deserve more than Kikwete. At least we have known the Pan-African President Julius Nyerere and the son of Africa Ben. Mkapa.
Tanzania probably deserves a better President after Jakaya, if his speedy rushing to stabilize his own country is curbed by the same Tanzanians - before his mandate is over in the next less than 2 years. Shame on him.
A former country head of Diplomacy, Kikwete ascended to Presidency before he could graduate from international politics. If he did, evidently, the lessons did not include French opaque politics and underneath egocentric interest in Africa.
It is not too late though, if he considers as anything to go by he could opt to establish diplomatic relations with CAR, Libya, Gabon, Bukina Faso and the likes. These could tell him who the French and the brasses are.
Incidentally, the lessons he receives from Kabila and Nkurunziza will unfortunately cause him trouble. If the two were frank with him, they would have advised him, objectively, about how he should relate with Rwanda. It is not too late Kikwete.

21:11:35 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Rusizi - Abdul Kanoti

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Tanzania has been a peaceful country in Africa for long and has been respected for that. But change is terrible! Alliance with evil, betrayal to one's people have got heavy prices to pay and by the tax payer. Kikwete may change the the ever paradise Tanzania into agony for decades. God forbid in the name of my country. This is my dream

00:49:36 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Nairobi - peter

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Kikwete should be seen and known as a foreigner to Tanzanians. The only thing that does not change is change .change is pervasive. Tanzania's long peaceful history in the region may change by the factor of mister Kikwete's alliance with the internationally and regionally famous devil camps. Am not a prophet of doom!!!

01:07:21 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Dar - kisara

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If anyone thought that Tz is bent on distabilising Rwanda then that is utterly shallow thinking. Tz and Rwanda don't compare in anything-definitely not in economic performance, military might, governance, size natural resources and development.
Tz is more than tripple in all areas listed compared to Rwanda but of course Rwandans can continue dreaming. One thing Rwandans have failed to understand is that even shoes have sizes!
No neighbour is interested in distabilising Rwanda.

03:34:39 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Kigali - Marcel Rwakabamba

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Mobutu might have said more than that in 1995. sizes can surprise you my friend.

15:49:16 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 kigali - me to Marcel Rwakabamba

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@ Marcel; you are always on the wrong side! The triumph of the country is never the size, if it were then Kikwete and his boyfriend Kabila would be leading the economic over weights of this world - far from that.
On contrary, the country need strong leadership, and one that has integrity - people-centered, fighting corruption, and with less worded but active vision for development. Unfortunately, Kikwete is not the type.

07:48:51 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Kilosa - Amani Mbena

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[jMali]

HUKO NEWTIMES MJADALA UMEPAMBA MOTO.....
LAST WEEK President Jakaya Kikwete of Tanzania rolled out the red carpet for Faustin Twagiramungu, once Rwanda's Prime Minister. It is unusual for a head of state to give VIP treatment to an ordinary individual with no known achievements, or political status in his country.
Twagiramungu's only claim to distinction is his dismal failure as prime minister, perennial grumbling, plotting against his country and a high level of ingratitude to people who saved his life.
In normal circumstances this would be considered a diplomatic faux pas considering that Tanzania and Rwanda are neighbours and partner states in the East African Community.
Obviously this fact is not strong enough to dissuade some people against abandoning customary civilised conduct. In that sense Twagiramungu's high level reception was not unexpected. In fact, it fits into a pattern that became public early in 2013.
The visit comes after Twagiramungu announced an alliance of his little known party (to do with dreams or something) with the genocidal Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR).
His announcement followed another one by the Bernard Ntaganda faction of PS-Imberakuri that they were also forming an alliance with FDLR.
The Rwanda National Congress of another Faustin – Kayumba Nyamwasa – has been desperately trying to get hitched to the genocidal bandwagon. If they have not gone the whole distance, it is because of mutual mistrust, not for lack of effort.
So immediately the announcements are made, Twagiramungu and co. hops off to Dar es Salaam to meet President Kikwete. Was it on their initiative? No. They were invited. Was this a friendly visit to an old buddy? Yes and no.
Some of you will remember that a year ago, President Kikwete proposed that the Government of Rwanda should negotiate with the FDLR for them to return home and for peace in the Great Lakes Region.
To Rwandans busy rebuilding their country and their Rwandanness, Kikwete's proposal was either the result of great disrespect and insensitivity or part of a wider plan against Rwanda.
As it now turns out, that outrageous suggestion was not the random muttering of someone with nothing useful to say, but part of a well-thought out strategy.
The answer to his preposterous proposal was unequivocal. No – there can never be any negotiations with genocidaires.
President Kikwete and his new-found foreign allies – the same that are responsible for all the mayhem in this region – must have realised that the proposal for talks could not fly. In the eyes of Rwandans and other right-thinking people, FDLR was a criminal, terrorist and genocidal organisation and not a legitimate political party.
And so they had to move to the next stage of the plan – to legitimise it. Hence the rush for a PS Imberakuri faction and Twagiramungu to announce their alliance with the FDLR.
Allying with parties perceived to be free of genocide connections was obviously meant to erase the genocide label from FDLR and turn it into an acceptable and credible political organisation.
Whitewashing FDLR is the first phase in a two-pronged strategy by Kikwete, Rwandan fugitives and foreign powers to pressure the Government of Rwanda into negotiating with it.
Their thinking seems to be that if the genocide label is hidden from view and the base of the organisation broadened, the FDLR would gain credibility and there would be no more reason for Rwanda not to negotiate with it.
If this is not enough to push Rwanda into talks, there is a back-up position – use of force. This second phase of the strategy is already under way.
It is well-known that the FDLR has been an integral part of the forces that fought M23 rebels in the eastern D R Congo. This alliance of forces included MONUSCO, DRC army and special UN Intervention Brigade whose bulk of troops was provided by Tanzania.
It is also common knowledge that in the joint operations against M23 some of the UN arms were given to FDLR. The same weapons are expected to be used by the FDLR and its allies to fight their way into Rwanda.
This part of the strategy explains why the Intervention Brigade whose mandate was to fight all negative forces in DRC has made no move against FDLR. You simply cannot fight an ally, especially if that ally also happens to be a vital element of your strategy.
This is not the first attempt to legitimise FDLR. Its apologists led by Human Rights Watch, MONUSCO and some of the many special envoys to the DRC have argued that it is no longer made up of genocidaires but children born after the genocide.
And these should not be condemned because of the sins of their parents, that there is no issue of original sin here.
The trouble is that FDLR remains a genocidal organisation despite all the attempts to wash it clean. It has not renounced the ideology of genocide. The children born in FDLR territory in DRC in the last twenty years have been brought up on that ideology and know no other.
In that sense they are worse than their parents. But in any case they have always been invited to return home, and thousands have done so.
The political parties now allied to FDLR to give it a cleaner face and broader base have no national character and represent only a few people – mainly their founders.
Their leaders, such as Twagiramungu have lost touch with reality and live in a permanent state of reverie. President Kikwete is gambling on the wrong people.
The option of fighting the Rwanda Defence Force – well, that is a different proposition that only the foolhardy, the utterly stupid or suicidal can contemplate. I would strongly advise against it.
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What does Kikwete want?

02:41:43 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Eastern Suburbs - Peter DM

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To me KIKWETE's proposal wasn't neither the result of great disrespect nor of insensitivity, but of a wider plan against Rwanda. Kagame talks much about Rwanda and Rwandans,...Africa and Africans,...but some African leaders and Africans are not yet ready to be free people.
They are good to be slaves.They are not ready for their dignity. Do you know the story of MACONCO and the King in Burundi?
May God bless Rwanda,Rwandans and the leaders of Rwanda. May God protect AFRICA.

06:35:15 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 w - b r

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Who currently makes up the FDLR is not what matters today. What matters is their founding genocidal ideology which still stands today. Sympathizing with them is being not regretful of what happened in 1994, its a pity.

08:06:33 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - Eddie

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Is it conceivable that the death of his bosom friend, fellow philanderer and notorious trafficker in every imaginable thing, Patrick Karegeya, has finally pushed our friend in Ikulu over the edge?
Don't they have adults in charge of our neighbours' foreign policy establishment, willing and able to counteract his readiness to listen to the siren songs and inducements that his emmissary Bernard Membe is getting every time he flies to Paris?
Or is it in fact Dar pushing the anti-Kigali agenda with Paris only too happy to oblige?
Whatever the case, our Mkwele friend seems hell-bent on biting off more than he can safely chew, let alone swallow. And his far-off friends won't be able to aid him. Wise people throughout history have cautioned against courting distant friends while alienating very close neighbours.

08:07:58 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 jkalinda@gmail.com - Mwene Kalinda

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We don't want any more wars, Rwanda is at peace now, a good neighbor is suppose to support the legitimate government and not otherwise. God Bless Africa, any evil plans will fail, in Your holy name.

08:22:04 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Dar es Salaam - Milka

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i love how this article is detailed, true en practical, kp it up joe.

08:27:05 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - Jackson Onyango

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Sometimes I wonder whether the Tanzanian Government clearly understands Rwanda today! Tiny as it, it has the capacity to not only defend itself but disorganise and disorient any enemy force however big and large the size.
There are precedents set before. Tanzania had better rethink its position on Rwanda lest its hummiliated beyond reproach. I am no war monger but that the reality.

08:54:17 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Harare,Zimbabwe - Bob Kirenga

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Bob, you have it right and wrong. It isn't Rwanda that destabilises the 'mighty' enemy. It is a factor long in possession of the tutsi people that whoever harms them by proxy or otherwise find themselves in hot soup.
I have cautioned JMK from the days of Bigaruka that he should desist from giving his offspring a feud for an inheritance. Christians should pray hard for this fellow. He is selling what is invaluable for a single meal.
Meanwhile TZ sober citizens, your ship is moving in uncharted waters by a very reckless skipper.

14:32:47 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kacyiru - Kennedy Maridadi to Bob Kirenga

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This article has no any material facts. It is a piece of insinuation bent to mud-sling Tanzania. The writer seem to have poor reasoning as he is writing to satisfy his hunger of bitterness.
Tanzania has no intention to support any kind of agression against Rwandans. We all know that Rwanda was irked by our accepting to contribute to the UN Mission to restore peace in DRC.
But remember Tanzania did not sent our forces on a private mission rather we responded to the international call. Our forces are operating in Rwanda within the confines of international law.
We responded on the moral call, we support peace in DRC, we are tired of constant surge of violence, displacement, human rights abuse against especially helpless and vulnerable women and children.
It is inconceivable that Tanzania wants to cause trouble in Rwanda. Any effort or action done by Tanzania is for the good and stability of Rwanda. The earlier you understand this the better.

09:47:34 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Mwanza - kadulyu

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Kadulyu, Mr. Rwagatare's piece does not pretend to be a news article presenting only facts to this paper's readers. Rather it presents a number of news items presenting a number of troubling facts to comment on President Kikwete's growing and incomprehensible links with the FDLR, RNC and their other similarly active anti-Rwanda Government political and armed groups.
The real question patriotic Tanzanians should be asking is: what does your President hope to gain for himself and your country in from these openly hostile moves?

10:40:31 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 jkalinda@gmail.com - Mwene Kalinda to kadulyu

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I agree with you, the author is NOT objective in his analysis. In as much as TZ may NOT be a favorite in EAC i dnt think they wish to see problems next door since they will bear any brunt of refugees.

11:31:44 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - K Abatesi to kadulyu

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Bwana kadulyu you should better leave such senstive matters to those who know better. If you have nothing to you better go to those bitches and drink silly out your self.
If you remember very correctly you kikwete was by then the foreign affairs minister when our beloved country was facing the most horible situation in the world and he said nothing (Kikwete).
And now irking with the forgiveness ideas to the same p'ple, why now for the same p'ple? By the he is not the one tell us who to forgive, Rwandans know who and how to forgive so he you and you Kikwete should Rwandan matters to Rwandese them selves.

11:46:13 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 K\'la Ug - Zigama to kadulyu

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The problem is that the only source of information you rely is News of Rwanda and New Times. Kikwete was the Minister of Finance in 1994 before he became Minister of Foreign Affairs in November, 1995. Kikwete wishes you well rather than living in the past,

16:21:47 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Mwanza - Manzi to Zigama

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Let Bwana Kadulyu tell us some thing about Kikwete giving a red carpet to Twagiramungu and other FDLR members. Is it worth of a sitting president to that to a neighbor?

12:56:53 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - seth to kadulyu

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You seem not to understand what you're writing. "...Our forces are operating in Rwanda within the confines of international law....". Get your facts right, forces of the UN intervention brigade are operating in eastern DRC not in Rwanda. and their actions are supposedly meant for the stabilization of eastern Congo not Rwanda as you're trying to put it.
There is no war in Rwanda. Too, you're the one making insinuations when you affirm that "We all know that Rwanda was irked by our accepting to contribute to the UN Mission to restore peace in DRC".
On what basis, do you affirm this? Rwanda itself participates in UN missions, how can it complain about, let alone being irked by, your country's participation in similar missions?

13:13:53 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - Cento to kadulyu

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shame on any president who plots for his neighbors

10:20:02 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 kigali - carine

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WHEN AFRICAN WILL BE MATURE? ATHERS COUNTRIES OF EAC THEY ARE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT TANZANIA LOOKS FDLR .IT IS WASTING TIME NO WAR WIIL HAPPEN AGAIN IN OUR COUNTRY.

10:43:11 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 KIGALI - ALOYS

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I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT OF TANZANIA NOT KNOW ,WHAT HAPPENED IN RWANDA DURING GENOCIDE.BUT HE IS DREAMING.

11:00:23 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 NGOMA - JEAN

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KIKWETE!!!!. DO YOU KNOW WHAT FDLR DONE IN RWANDA?BUT YOU WIIL PAY OUR PARENTS

11:07:41 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 RWANDA ,KIGALI - MAHORO

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Dear Kadulyu from Mwanza, we appreciate TPDF involvement in the regaining of peace by DRC, however your second last sentence, "Any effort or action done by Tanzania is for the good and stability of Rwanda" seems ideal, but what President Kikwete is doing now (meeting enemies of Rwanda) is entirely intended for the instability of Rwanda.
Am sure he is not discussing developmental issues such as how to improve the energy sector, improving general infrastructure etc. He is discussing with them how to accomplish what they started in Rwanda (Genocide).
As Rwandans we feel Kikwete is doing us a de-service as a neighbour. we only need to live in peace and develop our countries, we don't need war. please tell him (Kikwete) to stay away from those guys.

11:11:59 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - Shukuru

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I think...we need Development in our region than Fighting each other.....They are a lot of people who are starving, homeless...,are n`t we tired of war...!
Shame is up on to those politicians who think...people can prefer war than peace....Twagiramungu its high time for you to come home and work with other Rwandan people instead of doing something which will not be achievable..."BETTER LATE THAN NEVER"
Oyee... Rwanda, we love you.. and God bless you!

12:42:59 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Gikondo - Mark...

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Twagiramungu cannot work. He wants free money, tax payer's money. What can all these fellows on welfare assistance in Europe, USA, SA and Canada do for Rwanda?
Rwanda is already on the best way toward development, there is very good security and stability. Rwanda is open to every Rwandan to come home and there is no discrimination of any kind any more base on ethnicity, Hutu or Tutsi.
There is the "ndumunya Rwanda "program under way to get rid of all these ethnic biases. Hatred based on tribalism, shape, color and religion of Individuals is the main cause of wars and underdevelopment in Africa.
It is a shame on those greedy leaders of Africa who use or want to use these kinds of shameful cards to get to power, twagiramungu , the likes and his supporters included in the shameless team

18:00:02 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Mazimba - Kim to Mark...

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peace will forever remain in our Land. we are prayin for it and whoever is even plotin for anything bad, God will deal with them before even the rwandan gvt does, so watch out! God is in Rwanda, he is not dead.

13:21:00 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 nairobi - amy

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No facts yet one spends time to write issues that have no base at all. If the man visted TZ what is wrong with that? How did U know what they discussed. ACCORDING TO RWANDA Was it wrong for TZ to kick out M23?
WHY is it then that Rwanda always diny supporting M23? Why can it come up and say yes on its support to M23?
Where in TZ OR ELSE WERE Twagiramungu lives. why dont you talk about the country he has lived for all this time and talk a country he just visted. Do you fear it? Be at peace TZ will never kick b4 one dares to kick it

13:24:30 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Dar es Salaam - Billy

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But why alwayz Tanzania ?? Kikwete could u pl'se concentrate on ur c'ntry's issues

14:46:14 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kigali - John mutabazi

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what do you do when you have nothing to trade? Do you rely keep in business? Tanzanians with minimum ability to map things politically can see that his regime can only afford buying disaster to his countrymen, nothing else. Wait

01:11:54 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Dar - mulamba to John mutabazi

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Kikwete should not forget that all plots done in his country by Hutu will be accountable by his Government day live any time any day. How can you expell Tutsi in your country, kill them and taking off their belongings and now in a second your dealing with Hutu in a clandestine manner?
Kikwete be informed, we are much watching and alerting you that we aren't going to tolerate more loss of our people as it was in 1994.

15:13:27 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Gikondo kigali - Joseph Muhire

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A very well articulated article. well done joseph!! Good neighbouriness is not indicated in the behaviour exhibited by our "dear friend". Rwanda and Rwandans will remain firm any actions aimed at undermining our sovereignity is totally unacceptable

15:23:47 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 musanze - hatrick

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Now i know why there are names in Rwanda like "Ntuyenabo,", "Nsekanabo", Ndimubanzi" and in neighbouring Ugandan region Ankole "Tibenderana", "Tibeijuka", "Beitwababo".
Some situations give definition to words i always took lightly. Evil and sadism. The webster dictionary defines evil as "Intentionally causing injury or harm to someone" and sadism goes further viz "the tendency to derive pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering or humiliation on others".
Can someone get the bottom-line here? Our resolve as a country will remain as solid as ever. No one can ever plan evil against Rwanda and escape the repercussions. What happened is History.
Even to some History is tormenting them like a ghost. The future belongs to those who will be positive and look at Rwanda in a constructive rather than a destructive perspective.

16:04:56 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Makerere University. - MUNANURA JAMES

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FELLOW RWANDANS, LET US STAND FIRM

18:32:43 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Kayonza - Omwiza O

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Dar es salaam has nothing against Kigali. If you at what Rwandans are doing to us, trying to tweet negative things about the country, writing negative things about the country and forgetting that we can also do the same; but no one is doing that.

20:04:04 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Dar es salaam - Francis Kessy

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I wonder how the author was able to snare into the trap the mind of Rwandans. Most Rwandans comment with the sense of hatred,a gain its a show of small minds.
Why dont you concentrate in building your country and remove hatred among yourselves, instead your debating about Kikwete not knowing that by 2015 he will be a retired president in a most peaceful and stable country in the region.
To the author just stop your ----, we saw a lot of craps during the eviction of illegal migrants from Tanzania and yet nothing happened. Now its another ----....Kikwete helping Rwandans dissident..cant stop myself laughing, WAKE UP RWANDANS...

21:11:33 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 arusha - james

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Never will I forget an old man who once told me that "every country gets the kind of the President it deserves"! True or wrong, Tanzania deserve more than Kikwete. At least we have known the Pan-African President Julius Nyerere and the son of Africa Ben. Mkapa.
Tanzania probably deserves a better President after Jakaya, if his speedy rushing to stabilize his own country is curbed by the same Tanzanians - before his mandate is over in the next less than 2 years. Shame on him.
A former country head of Diplomacy, Kikwete ascended to Presidency before he could graduate from international politics. If he did, evidently, the lessons did not include French opaque politics and underneath egocentric interest in Africa.
It is not too late though, if he considers as anything to go by he could opt to establish diplomatic relations with CAR, Libya, Gabon, Bukina Faso and the likes. These could tell him who the French and the brasses are.
Incidentally, the lessons he receives from Kabila and Nkurunziza will unfortunately cause him trouble. If the two were frank with him, they would have advised him, objectively, about how he should relate with Rwanda. It is not too late Kikwete.

21:11:35 Tuesday 28th, January 2014 Rusizi - Abdul Kanoti

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Tanzania has been a peaceful country in Africa for long and has been respected for that. But change is terrible! Alliance with evil, betrayal to one's people have got heavy prices to pay and by the tax payer. Kikwete may change the the ever paradise Tanzania into agony for decades. God forbid in the name of my country. This is my dream

00:49:36 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Nairobi - peter

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Kikwete should be seen and known as a foreigner to Tanzanians. The only thing that does not change is change .change is pervasive. Tanzania's long peaceful history in the region may change by the factor of mister Kikwete's alliance with the internationally and regionally famous devil camps. Am not a prophet of doom!!!

01:07:21 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Dar - kisara

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If anyone thought that Tz is bent on distabilising Rwanda then that is utterly shallow thinking. Tz and Rwanda don't compare in anything-definitely not in economic performance, military might, governance, size natural resources and development.
Tz is more than tripple in all areas listed compared to Rwanda but of course Rwandans can continue dreaming. One thing Rwandans have failed to understand is that even shoes have sizes!
No neighbour is interested in distabilising Rwanda.

03:34:39 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Kigali - Marcel Rwakabamba

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Mobutu might have said more than that in 1995. sizes can surprise you my friend.

15:49:16 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 kigali - me to Marcel Rwakabamba

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@ Marcel; you are always on the wrong side! The triumph of the country is never the size, if it were then Kikwete and his boyfriend Kabila would be leading the economic over weights of this world - far from that.
On contrary, the country need strong leadership, and one that has integrity - people-centered, fighting corruption, and with less worded but active vision for development. Unfortunately, Kikwete is not the type.

07:48:51 Wednesday 29th, January 2014 Kilosa - Amani Mbena

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New times rwanda ni gazeti la serikali, na huo ni mtandao wa serikali. Kama serikali inawalipa kuja kukomment huku kwa kutumia ID mbili mbili, itakuwaje kwa mtandao inaomiliki wenyewe. You are not fooling anybody. Hapo wachangiaji hawazidi hata watatu!

 

[jMali]

Unachekesha sana wewe,na vitisho vyako vya nyau wapelekee mafala wenzako,ila nakusifu is not easy to figure you out maana you can go from very knowledgeable/ educated to clueless and completely asshole

mbona you just described yourself!

 

[jMali]

Menachem Begin na Irgun walikuwa kitu gani katika British Palestine?

we vipi unachanganya maji na mafuta, begin alipigana na utawala wa british sio utawala wa waisraeli wa kabila tofauti na yeye!

 

[jMali]

I think we in Tanzania should mind our own business. Kikwete has failed as a leader and now he is looking for a showdown with Kagame to shore up his legacy.

Rwanda is the one that should mind its business. Wao ndio wanaoleta chokochoko kwa question our sovereignity. Unavyolazimisha kuwa Kikwete ndio tatizo hapa unajionyesha wewe ni wa upande upi. Hivi kagame na kikwete nani anamtafuta mwenzie?

 

[Mimibaba]

1. This thread is just enjoying press freedom of TZ. Its right place will be in Kigali and more specific THE TUTSI SECT who have committed so many genocides including damaging there own brain.

2. MUKAMASIMBA has a mission; we have succumed to fueling his mission about the guilty consciousness with blood of innocent Rwandan victims. Tanzania is the wrong scapegoat man.

3. THE Issue is not Tanzania THE ISSUE IS VERY CLEAR IT IS YOUR DEMONIC IDEOLOGY of TUTSI superiority complex which is haunting you because in practice it does not work you need to protect it by fearing others and killing them.

4. Much as Paul Kagame is your president you Tutsis are blinded by what you think you achieved through the 1994 genocide. You have a serial killer in Kagame who fits your Tutsi complex. YOU ONLY PRETEND TO JUSTIFY HIS KILLINGS you do not contemplate on the damages it inflicts on your cult. I know you are used to be refugees when things goes wrong (SINCERELY YOU ARE A QUALIFIED REFUGEE TRIBE)

5. One serious weakness of your argument is; YOU HAVE REDUCED THE UNDERLYING ISSUE TO KIKWETE AND KAGAME. To me they are all ICC candidates at different levels in terms of the crimes committed. Much as you cherish PK in his crimes and utterance against JK; you have pushed JK crimes down the agenda and you have profiled TZ nationalism which will never ever be shakable by any external force leave alone PK who was baby sitted in Tanzania to be who he is.

6. Talk of eac and economy YOU SIMPLY FORGET a very pertinent issue. Tanzania sacrificed a lot to achieve eac day one of her independence. TZ is still suffering from the collapse of eac 1977. Some of TZ citizens are not convinced with the leadership characters fast tracking their own agenda through eac (and that includes Kagame). So as far as eac and economies issues are concern we separating two issues THE CORRUPT TEAM in the leadership of eac member states who have planned to rip eac and the public which can benefit out of eac but excluded.

7. The individual state economies are marred by individual wealth accumulation through bedtime policies not public policies. The evidence is overwhelming all countries have a disgruntled public. Common endemic corruption practice managed externally; natural resources exploitation through hidden contracts devoid of national achievable goals but favouring characters in power.

8. Rwanda TZ relations are very low at present; unfortunately they have been personalised within the leaders (jk on one side and pk on the other side) These leaders a pushing criminal agendas through state organs.

THE WHOLE DEBATE HERE IS A BAIT TO SYMPATHIZE WITH TWO CRIMINALS JK & PK. STUPID PEOPLE WOULD DESPISE TANZANIA TO PLEASE KAGAME (certainly with no effect).

PLEASE MUKAMASIMBA YOU HAVE FAILED IN YOUR MISSION YOU HAVE MANAGED TO HAMMER HOME A WEDGE WHICH WILL NEVER AGAIN CREATE A CONVERGING OPPORTUNITY.

AS FOR THE DEBATE IN RWANDA MEDIA IT IS LIKE WASHING DOG SHIT

 

[ROBERT MICHAEL]

mbona you just described yourself!

Jmali hivi hlo gazeti New Times nani analimiliki,maana nijue ili nione nafaa au sifai kushiriki kwenye mjadala huu.

 

[Talkandtalk]

[h=1]DR.SLAA AMKOSOA RAIS KIKWETE KUHUSU RWANDA[/h]

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Katibu wa Chama cha Demokrasia na Maendeleo (Chadema), Dk. Wilbroad Slaa, amemkosoa Rais Jakaya Kikwete, kuhusu kauli ya kumshauri Rais wa Rwanda, Paul Kagame, kuzungumza na waasi wa serikali yake.

Dk. Slaa amesema haoni busara kwa Rais Kikwete kuwaambia viongozi wa Rwanda, akiwamo Rais Kagame, kuzungumza na wafuasi wa chama cha FDRL walioko Congo kwa vile wanatambulika kama wauaji.

Alisema hayo wakati akizungumza katika kongamano la vijana wa Chadema (BAVICHA) la uchumi na ajira lililofanyika jana jijini Dar es Salaam.

Alimshangaa kuwataka kuzungumza na watu ambao Kagame anawaita wauaji wenye asili ya kundi la jeshi la Nterahamwe, lililokuwa linaangamiza Watutsi.

"Rais Kikwete hapa nyumbani hawezi kuzungumza na wapinzani, hajachukua hatua dhidi wauaji wa mwandishi Daudi Mwangosi, alishauriwa amuwajibishe Kamanda wa Polisi wa Mkoa wa Iringa Michael Kamuhanda, amempandisha cheo," alisema.

Alisema Rais alitakiwa kuwaambia waje awapatanishe lakini si kuwaambia wazungumze na watu anaowatuhumu kuua Watutsi.

Kumezuka sitofahamu ya uhusiano wa kidiplomasia kati ya Tanzania na Rwanda, baada ya Rais Kikwete kutoa ushauri huo wakati wa mkutano wa Umoja wa Afrika (AU) uliofanyika Addis Ababa, Ethiopia hivi karibuni.

Ushauri huo ulionekana kumchukiza Rais Kagame, anayedaiwa kuhutubia mikutano kadhaa nchini kwake na kutumia lugha ya matusi, kejeli na dhihaka dhidi ya Rais Kikwete na Tanzania.

 

[NyumbiiBombii]

Ndugu yangu MimiBaba...naomba kuwekwa sawa kidogo...you have been repetedfly pointing out about Tutsis and the genocides they commited...naomba kueleweshwa hapa kidogo niko gizani...Kwa uelewa wangu Genocide ni mauaji yanaoyoandaliwa yenye malengo ya kuua na kutokomeza watu wenye kabila au chimbuko Fulani. Genociode ya Rwanda ya mwaka 1994 iliandaliwa na kufanywa na wahutu kwa ajili ya kutokomeza watusi. Watu zaidi ya milioni moja waliuliwa kwa kuwa tu ni aidha watusi au wahutu wenye mlenmgo wa kati. Sasa ndugu yangu unaposisistiza watusi walifanya genocide unamaanisha walijiua? Au waliuwa watusi wenzao? Unaposisitiza Kagame alifanya Genicide ina maana aliandaa genocide kumaliza watusi wenzie? Hapo umeniacha kidogo. Guys listen...Kila inapofikia karibia na maadhimisho ya kukumbuka mauaji ya kimbari waliyofanyiwa watusi na wahutu wachache wenye msimamo wa kati kama Waziri Agatha (RIP) huko Rwanda, maadhimisho ya KIMATAIFA ambayo hufanyika kila mwaka Aprili, mambo mawili hutokea...kwanza watusi waliofikwa na majanga hayo haswa waliokuwepo Rwanda kipindi hicho wanakuwa traumatized...wewe na mimi ambao tumetokea kupoteza mtu mmoja au wawili katika familia kwa ugonjwa ajali au chochote kisicho mauaji ikifika anniversary ya kifo huwa kumbukumbu zinarudi upya machungu unayapata kama ilikuwa jana, sembuse wengi Rwanda ambao unakuta alibaki peke yake katika familia au hata ukoo...huwa wana uchungu sana sana na wanakuwa very sensitive. Jambo la pili linalotokea huwa ni upande wa wauwaji/ndugu zao au wale wanao support hayo mauaji na wenye chuki dhidi ya watusi wanaodhani watusi hawastahili kuishi. Watu hawa roho zinawauma kuwa hawakufanikiwa kuwamaliza watusi wote! Niwie radhi ndugu yangu MimiBaba ila na wewe nakuweka kundi hili. Wao ikifika kipindi hiki huwa wanakuwa hiper! Wanaongea na kuzungumza kila wawezalo kuondoa international attention from remembering what exactly happened in 1994. Wengine hufanya hivi aidha kwa guilty consciousness au kutaka kufuta historia. Listen mkuu historia iko hivo...mliuwa watusi katika mauaji ya kimbari ya 1994 and this will haunt you for the rest of your lives. And this goes out to anyone who intentionally decides to end another person's life! It haunts you forever. Lucky are those who confess and seek for forgiveness...with readiness to be punished for the wrong done! Kwetu/kwenu nyinyi msiohusika...hapa namanisha wasio wanyarwanda...narudia...tusiingilie mambo ya ideology za watu bila kufanya research...research haimaanishi kusikiliza MimiBaba JMali au Mukamasimba kaongea nini ndipo na wewe useme yako...There is well documented research on Rwanda genocide...kesi hadi leo ziko mahakamani...Haya mengine ya nani kamtembelea nani yako way beyond us unless wewe ni mhusika wa moja kwa moja. Hatujasikia tamko la kagame au Rwanda kulaani hiyo safari na wala ikulu ya hapa sijasikia ikizungumzia mgeni huyo 'rasmi'. Basi mambo hayo tuwaachie baba na mama. Watu/media walipiga domo weeeee wakati wa tension zilizopita...mwisho ulikuwa nini? Mkulu si alituambia tuache ushabiki? Jeshi si lilitoa tamko lenyewe ndo linastahili kutoa updates za vita Kongo? Halafu hii vita ya mtandao ya wahutu na watusi tuwaachie wenyewe, very cautiously maana kama Nyerere alivoasa kuwa ubaguzi ni ugonjwa, tukumbuke unaambukiza! Haya jengeni taifa! Na nyie wenye vita yenu ya mdomo ya wahutu na watusi kwani huko kwenu mitandao hamna? Si naskia mmetandaziwa WIFI hadi vijijini? Si mkalumbane huko mtuache na yetu?

 

[Talkandtalk]

Rwanda is the one that should mind its business. Wao ndio wanaoleta chokochoko kwa question our sovereignity. Unavyolazimisha kuwa Kikwete ndio tatizo hapa unajionyesha wewe ni wa upande upi. Hivi kagame na kikwete nani anamtafuta mwenzie?

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Ungejibu swali kwani Kagame kamfanya nini Kikwete,
Watu kama nyiej Jmali FDRL sympathisers ndio mnakuza mgogoro huu, ushahidi ni nyie kubadili speech ya Kagame nakuongeza neno i will hit you! kitu ambacho Kagame hakusema, wengine nao wanadandia tu bila kujua kuwa kuna watu kama Jmali ambao kazi yao ni propaganda kwenye mitandao ya jamii, hiyo ndiyo kazi yao, hata kwenye mikutano ya FDRL hili wanalipa kipaumbele, kutumia mitandao ya kijamii kwenye nchi jirani ya Rwanda, ili sura yao ionekane kama wao ndio waonewa(FDRL) yani Genocide isahaulike wao ndio wawe attention:
Chini nimeweka speech ya Kagame ilivyo, post yangu iliyopita nilikuomba atleast uweke hiyo youtube link Kagame anaposema i will hit you:
Sasa nyie mnaongeza hiyo statement kwa sababu gani, kama hamna faida kwenye mgogoro huu??
kwa yule ambaye hakusikia hii speech, nenda youtube uandike Kagame remarks on Kikwete statement utapata statement ya ukweli:
Kutaka kuhalalisha msimamo wenu kila mara uhusiano wa Rwanda na Tanzania ukiongelewa hapohapo mnaleta sijui M23,RDC eeh!hapa inaongelewa Rwanda na Tanzania, kumbuka vifaa vya kijeshi vya Tanzania vilivyotumika kuipiga M23 vilipita Kigali Airport:
Kumbuka Ntaganda mliyekuwa mnasema anasaidiwa na Rwanda alijisalimisha kwenye ubalozi wa Marekani Kigali, sasa kwanini Rwanda haikumficha na tayali alikuwa nchini:
Nani kamkamata Nkunda? kwani unadhani alikuwa ameshindwa kukamata nchi:
Unaushahidi wowote wa askali hata mmoja wa Rwanda(RDF) aliyekamatwa mateka au kuuawa vitani kwenye hivi vita vya M23?:
Ukweli nikwamba rwanda haukipigana upande wa M23 ingekuwa hivyo mambo yangekuwa mengine sasa hivi:
Wa nyaRwanda wengi, nanina Imani pia Wa Tanzania wengi hawapendi vita tunataka amani, sijui nikwa faida gani Kikwete anaendekeza chokochoko hii dhidi ya Rwanda;
tayari wafanyabiashara wa Tanzania washakutana na matunda ya huu uongozi wa Kikwete(Road toll imeongezwa) kumbuka rwanda ilikuwa inatoza kodi ya chini kabisa kwa maroli kutoka Tanzania lakini sasa yote yamebadilika:
Sisi ni wapenda amani, na ni busara kuwa na uhusiano na nchi badala ya vikundi vya upinzani vyenye silaha:

Hivi hii statement ya hapa chini inatosha kumfanya mkuu wa nchi, kuanza kujadiliana na vikundi vya kigaidi ili kuipindua serikali ya nchi jirani, hivi unadhani hata akifanikiwa (though its totally impossible) Tanzania haitakutana na madhala yoyote?


Kagame statement
I had some had things to say about Rwanda having to negotiate, to talk to the murderers of our people, people talk FDRL as casually as that and they know they are talking about the mass graves of our people and that the ones who did it we owe them something:
First of all i did`t talk about it because of the contempt i had for it:
Second i thought it was utter nonsense
Third i thought it was ignorance
Fourth, if it is an ideological problem which i think it may largely be, then it better stay with those who have it
But we will have another day to deal with it, We Rwandans knows who we are in our way, we are doing our best to achieve what we want to achieve and this is not a myth it is a reality:

 

[Mimibaba]

Ndugu yangu MimiBaba...naomba kuwekwa sawa kidogo...you have been repetedfly pointing out about Tutsis and the genocides they commited...naomba kueleweshwa hapa kidogo niko gizani...Kwa uelewa wangu Genocide ni mauaji yanaoyoandaliwa yenye malengo ya kuua na kutokomeza watu wenye kabila au chimbuko Fulani. Genociode ya Rwanda ya mwaka 1994 iliandaliwa na kufanywa na wahutu kwa ajili ya kutokomeza watusi. Watu zaidi ya milioni moja waliuliwa kwa kuwa tu ni aidha watusi au wahutu wenye mlenmgo wa kati. Sasa ndugu yangu unaposisistiza watusi walifanya genocide unamaanisha walijiua? Au waliuwa watusi wenzao? Unaposisitiza Kagame alifanya Genicide ina maana aliandaa genocide kumaliza watusi wenzie? Hapo umeniacha kidogo. Guys listen...Kila inapofikia karibia na maadhimisho ya kukumbuka mauaji ya kimbari waliyofanyiwa watusi na wahutu wachache wenye msimamo wa kati kama Waziri Agatha (RIP) huko Rwanda, maadhimisho ya KIMATAIFA ambayo hufanyika kila mwaka Aprili, mambo mawili hutokea...kwanza watusi waliofikwa na majanga hayo haswa waliokuwepo Rwanda kipindi hicho wanakuwa traumatized...wewe na mimi ambao tumetokea kupoteza mtu mmoja au wawili katika familia kwa ugonjwa ajali au chochote kisicho mauaji ikifika anniversary ya kifo huwa kumbukumbu zinarudi upya machungu unayapata kama ilikuwa jana, sembuse wengi Rwanda ambao unakuta alibaki peke yake katika familia au hata ukoo...huwa wana uchungu sana sana na wanakuwa very sensitive. Jambo la pili linalotokea huwa ni upande wa wauwaji/ndugu zao au wale wanao support hayo mauaji na wenye chuki dhidi ya watusi wanaodhani watusi hawastahili kuishi. Watu hawa roho zinawauma kuwa hawakufanikiwa kuwamaliza watusi wote! Niwie radhi ndugu yangu MimiBaba ila na wewe nakuweka kundi hili. Wao ikifika kipindi hiki huwa wanakuwa hiper! Wanaongea na kuzungumza kila wawezalo kuondoa international attention from remembering what exactly happened in 1994. Wengine hufanya hivi aidha kwa guilty consciousness au kutaka kufuta historia. Listen mkuu historia iko hivo...mliuwa watusi katika mauaji ya kimbari ya 1994 and this will haunt you for the rest of your lives. And this goes out to anyone who intentionally decides to end another person's life! It haunts you forever. Lucky are those who confess and seek for forgiveness...with readiness to be punished for the wrong done! Kwetu/kwenu nyinyi msiohusika...hapa namanisha wasio wanyarwanda...narudia...tusiingilie mambo ya ideology za watu bila kufanya research...research haimaanishi kusikiliza MimiBaba JMali au Mukamasimba kaongea nini ndipo na wewe useme yako...There is well documented research on Rwanda genocide...kesi hadi leo ziko mahakamani...Haya mengine ya nani kamtembelea nani yako way beyond us unless wewe ni mhusika wa moja kwa moja. Hatujasikia tamko la kagame au Rwanda kulaani hiyo safari na wala ikulu ya hapa sijasikia ikizungumzia mgeni huyo 'rasmi'. Basi mambo hayo tuwaachie baba na mama. Watu/media walipiga domo weeeee wakati wa tension zilizopita...mwisho ulikuwa nini? Mkulu si alituambia tuache ushabiki? Jeshi si lilitoa tamko lenyewe ndo linastahili kutoa updates za vita Kongo? Halafu hii vita ya mtandao ya wahutu na watusi tuwaachie wenyewe, very cautiously maana kama Nyerere alivoasa kuwa ubaguzi ni ugonjwa, tukumbuke unaambukiza! Haya jengeni taifa! Na nyie wenye vita yenu ya mdomo ya wahutu na watusi kwani huko kwenu mitandao hamna? Si naskia mmetandaziwa WIFI hadi vijijini? Si mkalumbane huko mtuache na yetu?

Nashukuru kwa hoja zako fasaha

1. Rudia tena kwenye tafiti zako jiridhishe kuwa PK na watutsi hawajawauwa watu kwa sababu si watutsi.

2. 6000000 innocent congolese waliouawa na Kagame pamoja na askari wa Uganda waliosingiziwa ni Intarahamwe na kuwa paraded na askari wa PK hiyo si genocide.

3. Wapinzani wa Kagame wengine wakiwa watutsi wenzie na pk hao ni mbwa si binadamu? Na inafanyika hivyo kwa kujihami na uhalifu tu.

4. Kwa nini maadhimisho yawe kwa ajili ya watutsi tu wahutu hawajauawa? Jibu ni rahisi kulingana na watutsi, wao wanaua na kulia wanauawa na kuhadaa dunia.

5. Mimi Mtanganyika toka central Tanganyika nachukia dhulma ya maisha atayofanyiwa mtu ye yote pahali po pote na mtu ye yote kwa sababu yo yote. Naamini kuna njia bora zamaelewano kuliko kutoa maisha. Hii imani yangu ni tofauti sana na viongozi akiwemo pk. Nasisitiza dhulma ya maisha hata ya mtu mmoja kwangu inanisababishia maumivu kwa sababu naamini kuna mbadala wa kupata haki kutoka hata kwa mhalifu.

6. Narudia chokochoko za Rwanda dhidi ya Tanzania si za wanyarwanda wote bali ni za pk na genge lake la watutsi kumtishia rais wa tz hata kama ana madhaifu yake. Hilo halitavumiliwa litasemwa hadharani na ikibidi kuzipiga poa tu lakini tz iheshimiwe.

7. Umeelza vizuri kuwa hakuna tamko la serikali ya rwanda lakini aliyetishia kumfanyia jk akiingia kwenye anga zake ni pk. Na alisema hadharani akaenda mbali kusema atakaesaliti rwanda atakiona(atauwawa) na niwakati alipouwawa mtutsi mwenzie SA. Ungetaka serikali itoe tamko lipi?

Mission ya MUKAMASIMBA iliyoleta malumbano haya kila upande ilikuwa na lengo. Lengo hili ni kujihami kwa uhalifu wa watutsi ambao ni zaidi ya genocide. Lakini mashambulizi kwa jk ambaye kwa sasa ni alama ya tz yalikusudia tumdharau rais wa nchi yetu HICHO HAKIWEZEKANI pamoja na tofauti zetu.

Mwisho watutsi waendelee tu na maadhisho ya genocide walioshiriki na kuhadaa dunia. OGOPA SANA WATU WANAVYOKUONA KIMATENDO NDIVYO SIVYO NA UNAYOYASEMA.

USHAURI

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