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maneno ya asiye na hoja kama kawaida.
Rwanda - Tanzania Tensions Flare Again
Rwanda - Tanzania Tensions Flare Again
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maneno ya asiye na hoja kama kawaida.
jMali
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bora mimi victoire atanipa ----, sitaki ku-imagine wewe kagame anakupa nini hahaha.
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Tensions flared up again over the weekend between Rwanda and Tanzania after it emerged that President Jakaya Kikwete was hosting at his private residence Rwandan dissidents in Diaspora including rebel FDLR commanders.
By Chimp Investigations Team 5 hours 54 minutes ago
Kagame and Kikwete at a meeting in Kampala in 2013 The alleged political and ideological ties between Kikwete and President Paul Kagames enemies are emerging as the latest flash point between the two countries, whose relations have deteriorated sharply in recent months.
Impeccable sources said two high ranking members of Rwanda National Congress (RNC) - Theogene Rudasingwa (Coordinator) and Condo Gervais were joined by FDLR Executive Secretary Lt Col Wilson Irategeka and the operations commander, Col Hamadi, in Tanzania last week for talks.
It remains unclear why the group decided to convene in the East African country but a long-lingering argument that Kikwete is a sympathiser of the Rwandan opposition forces has since flared up with new intensity since the Tanzanian leader told a meeting on the sideline of the African Union Summit in Ethiopia last year that Kigali should hold talks with the terrorist FDLR.
ADF is attacking Uganda and FDRL is doing the same to Rwanda so efforts should be made to end such attacks. Talks should be held between governments and rebels hiding in the DRC where they launch attacks against their countries of origin. Military operations against the rebels will not yield fruit, said Kikwete.
Rwandas Foreign Affairs Minister swiftly made a counterattack, describing Kikwetes statements as aberrant and shocking.
Those who think that Rwanda today should sit down at the negotiating table with FDLR simply dont know what they are talking about, charged Mushikiwabo in an interview with Radio France Internationale (RFI).
Sources who preferred anonymity so as to speak freely further told this website that the two delegations of FDLR and RNC were received in Dar es Salaam on Thursday evening.
This was just a few days after former Rwanda Premier, Faustin Twagiramungu, was hosted in Tanzania. Twagiramungu recently said his party, RDI Rwanda Rwiza, would remove Kagame from office by force of arms.
However, in a statement seen by Chimpreports, Irategeka said FDLR leadership is saddened by the use of the president of Republic of Tanzanias name HE. Jakaya Kikwete, by certain entities, or individuals for their unknown agendas. FDLR entire leadership is based in Eastern DRC, and has no representation in Tanzania nor holds any foreign passport.
The developments come hardly a month after RNC founder Patrick Karegeya was found dead at hotel in Johannesburg.
It is widely thought that RNC has been struggling with internal squabbles emanating from mistrust and divergent views on what method should be used to remove President Paul Kagame from power.
Theogene Rudasingwa
While moderates believe in an uprising from within Rwanda, some on the extreme end are advocating for war.
Sources said FDLR supply lines have been reopened, with the militia, whose ideology and leadership led to the 1994 genocide, receiving plenty of military logistics at its bases in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Towards the end of 2013, the government of Rwanda alerted the United States, United Nations, UK and countries in the Great Lakes region of an impending invasion of Rwanda by militants in DRC, a military plan that reportedly has the blessing of individuals in France and hostile countries.
Rwanda officials further said that some members in the UN Force Intervention Brigade were in bed with FDLR instead of fighting the negative force as required by the UN mandate.
The UN brigade that fought and defeated the M23 comprised soldiers from Malawi, South Africa and Tanzania.
Matter of priority
The FDLR is considered a national security threat to Rwanda.
At a recent meeting, President Kagame told Russell Feingold, the US Special Envoy for the Great Lakes Region of Africa and DRC that the genocidal militia must be firmly dealt with as a matter of priority.
Earlier, without mentioning Kikwete, the Rwandan leader accused his Tanzanian counterpart of making reckless remarks about FDLR.
When people continue to uphold the genocide ideology, it is a reminder that the path ahead is still long, Kagame told the Rwanda Patriotic Front (RPF) National Executive Committee meeting in Kigali in 2013.
We cannot take anything for granted. For Rwanda, this is not just about a discussion. The consequences are a death or life issue for Rwanda, he added.
He further noted that talk of negotiations with FDLR was evidence of those who have the luxury of speaking but suffer no consequences.
Kagame said then that speaking casually and calling on us to negotiate with the killers of our people is utter nonsense.
Speaking at the graduation ceremony of 45 army officers at the Rwanda Defence Forces Staff and Command College last year, Kagame described Kikwetes idea as dancing on the mass graves of our people.
Though he did not mention Kikwete, Kagame maintained proposals that Rwanda should hold talks with FDLR were premised on ignorance and ideological problems.
I kept quiet for the contempt I have for it (FDLR talks) because I thought it was utter nonsense spoken out of ignorance. We must be left to live our lives the way Rwandans want to live them, charged Kagame. He further said RPF did not seek revenge when it had every reason to be tempted...I don't think anybody should be having issues with us.
- See more at: Chimpreports.com-Uganda News - Rwanda -Tanzania Tensions Flare Again
ni maadhimisho ya watusi kukumbuka jinsi walivyoua wahutu, wahutu walikuwa hawana silaha,nii watusi ndio walikuwa na silaha na jeshi dhalimu la RPF
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Muhimbili sio Muhimbiri!
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[h=2]UN mapping Report act of hostility towards Rwanda Ajelo[/h]
KIGALI - The United Nations Human Rights Mapping Report on the Democratic Republic of Congo is an act of hostility towards Rwanda and it is clear that the report might have a destabilizing effect on the entire region, Aldo Ajelo, a former European Union Representative in the Great Lakes Region has said.
In a recent interview with Belgian Journalist, Collette Braeckman, of Le Soir Newspaper, Ajelo, who was an envoy in the region in the 90s, said that while people could have died, what happened in the DRC could not be referred to as Genocide.That report was changed into an academic discussion on Genocide, without taking into consideration what really happened in Rwanda in 1994... There was one Genocide, planned, conceived and executed in Rwanda, meant to eliminate a whole ethnic group.Using that term is a colossal mistake and also an unfairness, which amounts to support the double Genocide theory, and this retards development in the region.
Ajelo said that using the term Genocide is really a serious mistake and that he is surprised that the UN could produce a document of that nature, adding that it removes credibility from the entire report. The figures quoted in the report have nothing to do with reality: People have talked of 200,000 people, but where does such a figure come from? Ajelo told the Belgian newspaper.There is a point that everybody seems to have forgotten: nobody has succeeded in carrying out a census of the exact number of refugees who were in the camps. Every time the High Commission for Refugees sent its specialists to carry out a census, they were chased away by stone throwers, he adds.According to Ajelo, the extremists who had taken control of the camps received food and aid on the basis of inflated numbers and they could resell part of what they received to buy arms and prepare another war.END
Ajelo said that using the term Genocide is really a serious mistake and that he is surprised that the UN could produce a document of that nature, adding that it removes credibility from the entire report. The figures quoted in the report have nothing to do with reality: People have talked of 200,000 people, but where does such a figure come from? Ajelo told the Belgian newspaper.There is a point that everybody seems to have forgotten: nobody has succeeded in carrying out a census of the exact number of refugees who were in the camps. Every time the High Commission for Refugees sent its specialists to carry out a census, they were chased away by stone throwers, he adds.According to Ajelo, the extremists who had taken control of the camps received food and aid on the basis of inflated numbers and they could resell part of what they received to buy arms and prepare another war.END
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Part of Kagame speech at Youth Connect:
No longer is anyone allowed to strip others of their rights, to harm others because they look different. Its like those you hear who claim that we should negotiate with interahamwe and FDLR. Negotiate with them! I wont even discuss it, because I will just wait for you at the right place and I will hit you... I really didnt even respond to those claims. No, I didnt even try. But thats just common sense; everybody knows that there is a line you cant cross, not ever. Even those Interahamwe and their partners, they must have been excited someone spoke for them. They must have thought that now their crimes have become political tools... They will never know what has hit them. Its impossible, there is a line you cant cross, and its non-negotiable. You young people should know that so that you dont get fooled by anyone claiming otherwise. Dont let anyone lie to you. Its simply not possible. Not by politics, not by land, not by sea, not by air. It will not happen.
Young people, please dont let yourselves be misguided. Listen to your elders so that you can become respectable men and women, good citizens. Thats what we expect of you, good Rwandans. You have in you the same potential and capacity as anyone else. You are full of life, you have the skills, the brains and you can work hard. You can do whatever you want for your country so that it can develop and progress like other countries. You have it in you, dont waste it; dont waste yourself. When you waste all of your potential, you are depriving your country of something very valuable.
We need you and you have to know that Rwanda is your motherland and Rwanda has suffered. Its like that name: Bamporiki [why are they after me]? Yes, you have to ask why they are constantly after you. When you have people who want to blame you for nothing, you have to stand for yourself, build yourself so that no one can hurt you. You cant allow them to. Edouard, that name of yours has a meaning; you have to stand by it. Refuse to be blamed for no reason. Yes. Why should you be blamed for things that are not true? And that applies to all of us as well, why should we be blamed for nothing? You have to do the right thing so that when the time comes you are found irreproachable. Dont give them the pleasure. Let us continue to be who we are.
Sasa wewe jMali, akisema i will hit you kwanini unasema ni Kikwete badala ya kusema Interahamwe?
Na kweli, sio uongo kuna line you cant cross, and who ever dare cross will be hit hata wewe utaishia hapahapa kwenye jamii forum ya wa Tanzania, utalia wee lakini Rwanda inasongambele:,
Kelele za chura hazimzuii tembo kunywa maji:
Tumetoka mbali, na tunajua tunapoenda there is no one to decide for our destiny and we will fight for it, this is our dignity:
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So gentlemen in your own right figures how many Tutsis did you kill during genocide? So it's now about the numbers right? Well all I know is that I have a friend whose family was swept to death by a hutu neighbor! Whose pregnant sister was thrown in the pit latrine together with her two children bY her HUTU husband ...who to date has lost strength to go back to Rwanda after her studies abroad because she has absolutely no relative remained there. To her it doesn't matter how many died and all that blablabla...to her what matters is she lost all her all! Whose hundred friends can relate to her story coz it happened to them to. And here you are lying to Tanzanians about how blood thirsty the tutsis are! And how impliedly angelic the hutus are! Shame on you guys. Too bad history can never be erased hata mkiwanga u.c.h.i! Tafuteni strategy nyingine hii imefeli!
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USHAHIDI RASMI kuwa unatumia ID tofauti tofauti mpaka unasahau unatumia ID gani:
eti "kina koba wakutukane tuu maana sisomi ujinga wako tena" wakati wewe mwenyewe tayari ID yako ni hiyohiyo koba, inaonyesha wazi wazi ulijisahau, ulidhani umelog in kwa ID ya murutongore, jasusi, mukamasimba au one of hizi ID za juzi juzi! Endelea tu na majazba yako labda mwisho utateleza uandike na jina lako halisi.
cc: JokaKuu, NasDaz, cyberspace Swat @schlumberger Mimibaba Mayunga96 rushasha
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jMali
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1. Naona unakuja kimyakimya, vipi umesahau kuni-quote au kuni-mention? Mbona ninapowauliza ninawa-qoute au nawa-mention, sikukuuliza kijumla jumla. Nyinyi mkijibu mnapachika tu post hapa kimya kimya..anyway.Au unaogopa kujibiwa. You are hoping i won't this post ili uwongo wako upite bila kupingwa. maana kwa upande wa pili mkitaka kututukana mnakumbuka mention na quotes. Acheni utoto huo.
2. Sina haja ya kukujibu what he said dunia nzima imeelewa kama ninavyoelewa mimi, hata watutsi wenzio humu ndani (au labda ID zako zingine) wameshatetea statement hiyo wakiiunga mkono, sasa sijui kwa nini unataka ligi isiyokuwa na msingi. After all si wewe ambaye ulikataa even the existence of this speech? kwa nini sasa uwe honest kwenye kujadili maudhui yake. Sorry mimi silipwi kushinda humu kama nyinyi (niliomba kazi mkakataa LOL).
jMali
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Umeshasema all you know...that's not much.
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kama kawa no source, no date, no .......
NyumbiiBombii
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And what exactly is much to you...makes me wonder!Just hoping u won't end up calling me a 'pro' jst like u do wen run out of lies!
Hachukiwi PK kama Paul bali zinachukiwa tabia za Kagame so hoja yako ni kichekesho. Nimesema ali-dodge simply because after genocide PK alikuwa na uwezo wa kuwa President lakini akajafanya kumwachia Bizimungu huku yeye akitawala kwa mlango wa nyuma kwa almost six years kabla ya kuongoza miaka mingine mitatu as Acting President after Bizimungu's resignation. Alifanya hivyo coz' alifahamu baada ya kwanza kuwa de facto leader (dodging) for a given period time, baadae atachukua kiti rasmi na hivyo kumuongezea muda wa kutawala tofauti kama angenza na kuwa president moja kwa moja; watu wangesema the guy mlafi wa madaraka, frm 1994 hadi....bado hataki kuondoka madarakani but look no, watu wanahesabu from 2003 wakati ukweli ni kwamba Bizimungu was just a figurehead!
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Da kumbe unabishana na mtu mwenye multiple IDs
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Mkuu murutongore, ni kwamba umeghafirika, au! Wataweka vipi silaha chini na kurudi Rwanda wakati PK amegoma na kudhihaki kwa kashifa ushauri wa kufanya mazungumzo na FDLR?! Yaani from nowhere, watupe silaha warudi Rwanda? Are you serious chuck? Or I missed something somewhere? Tell me u was just kidding, u didn't mean it at all otherwise uungana na sisi na mwache Koba na wenzake njiani!!!!
How do you compare NewTimes la Rwanda(or RPF according to jMali) na Uhuru la CCM wakati NewTimes linachochea mataifa mawili, Rwanda na Tanzania? NewTimes linaandika: So immediately the announcements are made, Twagiramungu and co. hops off to Dar es Salaam to meet President Kikwete. Was it on their initiative? No. They were invited. Was this a friendly visit to an old buddy? Yes and no." Mwandishi anaendelea "President Kikwete and his new-found foreign allies the same that are responsible for all the mayhem in this region must have realised that the proposal for talks could not fly. In the eyes of Rwandans and other right-thinking people, FDLR was a criminal, terrorist and genocidal organisation and not a legitimate political party." Hii ndiyo media ya kuilinganisha na Uhuru? Hivi nukuu hizo zinabeba ujumbe gani kama sio kukuza mgogoro kwa habari ambazo wala hazina uhakika? By the way, si unaona maandishi ya Wanyarwanda wenzako, hebu linganisha na kwenye hoja yako ya hapo juu niliyokuuliza if you're serious? Niishie tu kusema kwamba haya mambo ni wenyewe Wanyarwanda ndio mnayatengeneza; yakitua hapa watu tutasema tu! Remember, hata kauli za Kagame na Minister of Foreign Affairs dhidi ya Kikwete pale mwaka jana, zilinukuliwa kutoka kwenye media zenu wenyewe! Wakati mwingine huwa nashawishika kudhani kwamba huenda ni Wahutu wapinzani wa PK/Watutsi ndio wanakuza hayo mambo lakini ukiangalia maandiko ya NewTimes unaona kabisa ni supporters wa serikali hivyo inawezekana kabisa kwamba jMali yupo sahihi kwamba ni media ya chama tawala! Yaani media ya chama tawala inachochea taifa lake na taifa la jirani!! If you don't mind, I'd like to know owners wa News of Rwanda, nimejaribu kutafuta nimeshindwa!
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cyberspace
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Murutongore, Koba and Co sijaona mkijibu hoja hii mwanana!!! Njoni
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Sijasikia hata siku moja Rwanda iki question sovereignty ya Tanzania. Unless sielewi maana ya sovereignty.
Hunijui na mimi sikujui. Kunipachika majina ni kama umeishiwa hoja.
Kaka, Tanzania chini ya Kikwete hatuna intelligentsia ya kutosha popote pale hata nchini mwetu. Wauza madawa ya kulevya na wauaji wa tembo wameshamiri. Sembuse Rwanda? Unachekesha.
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Aise Jmali umemkamata kama kuku mwenye kideli. Kweli njia ya mwongo ni fupi. Sijui PK anamlipa shilingi ngapi?
Koba aka murutongore aka Jasusi aka mukamasimba etc teh teh
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