RWANDA REFUGEES IN Tanzania...KAGAME ....

[Bongolander]

Bongolander

He will go to the Hague like Charles Taylor. He will be arming a group that is listed by all nations in the world as a terrorist group. Plain and simple. I don't think he is that dumb. below is the current CIA information from the state department.


Army for the

Liberation of Rwanda
(ALIR)
a.k.a. Interahamwe,
Former Armed Forces of
Rwanda (ex-FAR)
Description
The FAR was the army of the Rwandan Hutu regime that carried out the genocide of
500,000 or more Tutsis and regime opponents in 1994. The Interahamwe was the civilian
militia force that carried out much of the killing. The groups merged and recruited
additional fighters after they were forced from Rwanda into the Democratic Republic of
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Congo (then Zaire) in 1994. They are now often known as the Army for the Liberation of
Rwanda (ALIR), which is the armed branch of the PALIR or Party for the Liberation of
Rwanda.
Activities
The group seeks to topple Rwanda's Tutsi-dominated government, reinstitute Hutu
control, and, possibly, complete the genocide. In 1996, a message allegedly from the
ALIR threatened to kill the US Ambassador to Rwanda and other US citizens. In 1999,
ALIR guerrillas critical of alleged US-UK support for the Rwandan regime kidnapped and
killed eight foreign tourists, including two US citizens, in a game park on the
Congo-Uganda border. In the current Congolese war, the ALIR is allied with Kinshasa
against the Rwandan invaders. The Government of Rwanda recently transferred to US
custody three former ALIR insurgents who are suspects in the 1999 Bwindi Park murder
case.

Strength
Several thousand ALIR regular forces operate alongside the Congolese army on the front
lines of the Congo civil war, while a like number of ALIR guerrillas operate in eastern
Congo closer to the Rwandan border.
Location/Area of Operation
Mostly Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda, but some operate in Burundi.

External Support
The Democratic Republic of the Congo has provided ALIR forces in Congo with training,
arms, and supplies.

Sir wait a minute. It is very clear that FDLR is hiding in DRC, technically DRC government would have been held accountable for hosting terrorists. But i think so far it is not listed as country which host and support terror, laike Syria, Iran, Sudan etc etc, or perhasp because DRC is not islamic and arabic. May be because they did not kill Americans and Brits. If we are talking about numbers, FDLR aka Interhamwe, have killed more than Osama bina laden did.

Looks like the issue is hotting up, and looks like we are headed where we do not know. sitashangaa kama hali haijawa mbaya baada ya wiki 40.
Try to watch this youtube video, especially in last minutes, and try to read his lips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNfLJ0buOU8

This is what he said, after we discussed this for days. Be assured that he is following this thread.
Nasikia Paul Kagame leo anazungumza na taifa, i am very curious to hear what he has to say, i hope this time around there will be no foul language. Kama kukiwa na video naomba niambie ili tujue PK anasema nini.

By the way there is this clip down here, but i do not known what this people are talking about, but the music in it, does not seems to be related with what is spoken. Please if you have time let me know what they are talking about.

 

[snail]

Jk hana kosa kabisa, yale ni mawazo yake mkutanoni na imekua ushauri kwa alowataja tatizo ukweli inauma ndomaana pk povu linamtoka!
Mbona hatujiulizi kwann wengine walotajwa hawajaumia kama pk?
Me ctashangaa nikisikia pk abagombana na majiran wengine kama ug, burund au hata kenya! kijamaa kinahisi katka ukanda huu ni peke yake chenye akili!
wacha abebe wakimbizi wake, na wakichapana tena tz mipaka yetu tunafunga waende hukooo! hatutaki viongoz washenzi hapa!

 

[Bongolander]

You guys really need to learn about how you are being manipulated.

Koba nimesoma kitu hii kwenye Wikipedia. Siamini sana wikipedia kama ne credible source, lakini kwa upande fulani huwa inasema yanayofanana na ukweli wa mambo yjapo kwa asilimia 95. Kama kweli RPF waliua wahutu lakini moja, doesn't this account to genocide?

Kagame ametumia excuse ya "Rogue" elements, what if FDLR uses same excuse kuwa machinjachinja ni "Rogue" elements?

During the genocide and in the months following the RPF victory, RPF soldiers killed many people they accused of participating in or supporting the genocide.[SUP][92][/SUP] Many of these soldiers were recent Tutsi recruits from within Rwanda, who had lost family or friends and sought revenge.[SUP][92][/SUP] The scale, scope, and source of ultimate responsibility of these killings is disputed. Human Rights Watch, as well as scholars such as Prunier, allege that the death toll might be as high as 100,000,[SUP][93][/SUP] and that Kagame and the RPF elite either tolerated or organised the killings.[SUP][94][/SUP] Kagame himself, in an interview with journalist Stephen Kinzer, acknowledged that killings occurred but stated that they were carried out by rogue soldiers and had been impossible to control.[SUP][95][/SUP] The RPF killings gained international attention with the 1995 Kibeho Massacre, in which soldiers opened fire on a camp for internally displaced persons in Butare Province.[SUP][96][/SUP] Australian soldiers serving as part of UNAMIR estimated at least 4,000 people were killed,[SUP][97][/SUP] while the Rwandan government claimed that the death toll was only 338.[SUP][98][/SUP]

 

[Aza]

we marry them,they marry us
beautiful rwandese

 

[Henge]

Akili ndogo hizo!
Kumwambia mtu ongea na upatane na nduguyo ndo kuropoka?

umeongelea wapi mkuu mkutanoni kama unampenda kweli si ukamwambie nyumbani kwake?

 

[Henge]

We nawe kwenye mataifa makubwa ndio wapi??? una hakika na unachosema???AU kuna mataifa makubwa??? kazi kweli kwelikweli.

kihelehele chake tu!

 

[Henge]

wewe sijui ni mjinga wa wapi mpaka unadiriki kumtusi Rais wako kwa ushabiki bila hata kufanya analysis/ follow up hata kidogo, kwa hiyo kwa akili yako PK ni muungwana sana mpaka unamuona yupo sahihi na kwamba busara ya kumwambia sirini viongoz wote hawana isipokuwa wewe tu ndo una busara hiyo? PK hakuna lugha yoyote wala ushawishi unao ujua wewe anaweza kuukubali kuondoka DRC labda ad_klee nchi yake kufa kwsbb ecomic power yote ipo huko na ndo maana anahaingaika mpaka na umeona juzi UN wametoa msimamo_fuatilia mambo acha kuropoka

mjinga wa hapahapa TZ mkuu? kama unaona niliyosema ni matusi.
Kukosea PK hakumfanyi JK kuwa sahihi alikosea, JK AMENUNUA UGONVI KWA KULOPOKA KWAKE!
Kama unajua PK hawezi kuondoka DRC alimshauri nini sasa?

 

[Henge]

Ili iwe nini? Kuwaambia waongee na raia wao ni swala la chumbani? No wonder hizi nchi za kiafrika haziendelei mambo ya kipumbavu tu ndio wanashadidia. Je, nani angewaita wapinzani pamoja na M7 kuwaambia maneno hayo? Mbona Uganda hawakutaharuki wakati na wao ni washiriki? Au Rwanda wanajiona zaidi? Kwa hili JK yuko spot on. Kilichobaki kwa JK ni kumwaga ugali sasa, wao si wamemwaga mboga.

hahahah kweli TZ tunaendelea hata clintoni amesema mkuu. jk anafanya kazi sana.

 

[Henge]

Mambo ya chumbani? hivi umeshapiga viroba vingapi mpaka saa hii? mataifa makubwa yepi?

kumbe jk aliongelea Rwanda.
au alilopoka mikutanoni?

 

[Henge]

Kilicho sirini kitawekwa wazi! Ww unatetea ujinga gani? Kushauriwa jambo la amani unataka lifanyiwe chumbani, una akili kweli ww! Unajari maisha ya watu wanaopoteza maisha kwa kuwa Pk anajifanya hana mdowo na akili za kuweza kukaa ktk meza ya majadiliano! Upungu wa hivi ndio unaturudisha nyuma! Amwambie 'private' kwani anamtongoza! Unasema Jk karopoka, ww hapa unafanya nini! Ni vizuri Jk alilisema waziwazi ili na dunia yote wajue nia kamili ya Pk na kundi lake juu ya uthamini wa amani na maisha ya binadamu!?

hahahaha sasas kayamaliza mkuu au kaongeza maadaui MI NASHANGAAA HEKIMA MNAZIPELEKA WAPI?

 

[Henge]

katika advocacy kunanjia nyingi sana za kufikisha ujumbe,moja wapo ni media,ljn hiii inafanyika pale amabpo mlengwa hataki mazungumzo ,mazungumzo yamefanyika lkn hakuna matekelezo....sasaa jiulize maswali kadhaa unaweza jua kam wamezungumza ama la,je labda jk alisjazungumza na pk lkn akapuuza,ama labda pk ni mbishi,saa that was the right place...stp blaiming our prez

mkuuu yoote hapo juu umelabdisha tu!

 

[Rubi]

1. inafuatana ushauri aliutolewa wapi? kwanini asimuite kama rafiki?
2. Sijawahi sikia akiongea najua ni sababu anajua alikosea
3.Alishikwa na bado anahasira nasisi anashangaa mbona hukumwambia kama rafiki badala yake umeenda kumtangaza mbele za watu
4. Wanaongelea kwasababu wanajua Tanzania ni jeshi kubwa wanaogopa

Hivi wewe unaongea kama uko chini ya kitanda chenye vumbi kisichosafisha. au unafikirikri kwa makalio. Tatizo la Watusi huwa hawapendi kuambiwa ukweli. that why unatapatapa kama ndugu yako Koba.

 

[Henge]

hakukuwa na urafiki wowote kati ya jk na pk,kwanza pk huko nyuma alishaonyesha dharau kwa jk na watanzania wote,unakumbuka statement yake akidai apewe tanzania kwa miezi kadhaa na atainyoosha!!!na siyo ajabu alishamshauri jamaa akamtolea nje!!!kwa maoni yangu hakutakuwa na amani kwenye hili eneo la maziwa makuu mpaka pk atoke madarakani!!!!

huku haujawahi kuwa na amani na haitakuwepo mkuu! Pk alisema ukweli mkuu hakuonyesha dhalau ni sisi kujitafakari tu!

 

[Henge]

hivi wewe unaongea kama uko chini ya kitanda chenye vumbi kisichosafisha. Au unafikirikri kwa makalio. Tatizo la watusi huwa hawapendi kuambiwa ukweli. That why unatapatapa kama ndugu yako koba.

endeleeni kutafuta ugonvi halafu muwe na hasila wenyewe!

 

[Rubi]

endeleeni kutafuta ugonvi halafu muwe na hasila wenyewe!

Unajua moja ya plani yenu ilikuwa kuanzisha Tutsi Empire ndio maana mnajitahidi kupenyeza watu wenu kila nchi sasa chuki yenu kwa Tanzania ina mambo mengi sio tu kuwa imepeleka majeshi ya kulinda amani Kongo bali pia kadri inavyogundua mbinu zenu ndio mnavyozidi kuichukia.

1. hivi mlivyopigana na Uganda kipindi kile Kongo mlikuwa managombea nini?
2. Hivi kwa nini mnasema mnagombania maslahi ya Watutsi waliozaliwa Kongo (M23) na siyo ya WaKongomani wanaoongea kinywarwandwa, kilingala n.k. kama sio mpango wenu wa Tutsi Empire.
3. kwa kuliona hilo moja ya mbinu zenu ni kujipenyeza Tanzania kwa wingi ili baadaye mje mseme mnapigania maslahi ya Watutsi waliozaliwa Tanzania. Maana siku zote hamwishi kusema Karagwe ilikuwa ni sehemu ya Rwanda leo karagwe kesho mkoa mzima wa Kagera.

Sasa hizo mbinu zenu chafu zinazoumbuka kila siku mkaona muanze kupandikiza chuki dhidi ya Tanzania. Hivi mmesahau chuki mlizopandikiza kupitia vyombo vya habari kati ya Wahutu na Watusi mwaka 1994 mpaka ikatokea Genocide. watu wakachinjana mtu mkewe na watoto kisa tu wameooana mhutu na mtusi leo mwataka kuyarudisha tena?

Jamani nyie Watutsi badiliikeni msilishwe sumu na Kagame, Kagame yuko kimaslahi zaidi lakini sio kama unaupendo. tusubiri tuone kama hatagombea muhula wake ukiisha.

 

[kmbwembwe]

Mkuu kosa la JK hujaliona bado?
JK anakosa la kwenda kuongea nje mambo ya chumbani kwanini asingemwita kagame na kuongea naye? yeye kaenda kusema mataifa makubwa? Najua TZ kwanza lakini nadhani hata jk kakosea sana kuropoka!

Wewe unashangaza! Kwani rwanda na tanzania ni bibi na bwana hadi wawe na mambo ya chumbani? Simply Kagame is uncouth and a ruthless dictator.

 

[Ukwaju]

achana na obama bwana Tanzania na rwanda tumekuwa marafiki kwa mda mrefu, inakuwaje tunashindwa kuongea kama marafiki mpaka tupeleke kwenye vikao mkuu, tungeanza kumaliza home kwanza tukishindwa ndo tupeleke huko, nashanaa mnashindwa kupata pointi na kosa la jk! Hawa jamaa hata mikotano yao walikuwa wanafanya arusha imekuwaje leo mkuu?

JK wakati akiwa Waziri wa Mambo ya nje 1994 alikuwepo meza moja kuwapatanisha hao watu na bado wakamtungua Habyarimana na Ndedeye, sasa ni nani arudie Vikao hivyo ambavyo hata AU wamekaa. Kwa hiyo asiambiwe kwa vile anaogopewa au yeye ni mbabe na kumuita pembeni, wakati yanaeleweka toka 1950

 

[Ukwaju]

Hivi wewe unaongea kama uko chini ya kitanda chenye vumbi kisichosafisha. au unafikirikri kwa makalio. Tatizo la Watusi huwa hawapendi kuambiwa ukweli. that why unatapatapa kama ndugu yako Koba.

Huyo Henge ndio Koba mwenyewe na wala sio murutongore
Hawa jamaa hata tukiwachapa ndani ya dk 15 bado utawasikia wakiibukia humu JF kuwa wameshinda yaani ni kabila la Ajabu sana, tulishauri jamani hii EAC tusiwaiingize Rwanda wakatubishie sasa wamepenya kila mahali na ni wabaguzi heri ya mwarabu. Mimi nitasaidia kuwarongoshea mpaka wamalizike maana siku 2 walizopewa zimeisha wengine tusaidiane

 

[MJINI CHAI]

urai wa kuzaliwa haupo Tz mpaka uukane wa wazazi wako.....

 

[Rubi]

Huyo Henge ndio Koba mwenyewe na wala sio murutongore
Hawa jamaa hata tukiwachapa ndani ya dk 15 bado utawasikia wakiibukia humu JF kuwa wameshinda yaani ni kabila la Ajabu sana, tulishauri jamani hii EAC tusiwaiingize Rwanda wakatubishie sasa wamepenya kila mahali na ni wabaguzi heri ya mwarabu. Mimi nitasaidia kuwarongoshea mpaka wamalizike maana siku 2 walizopewa zimeisha wengine tusaidiane

Nami niliikuwa nafikiria hivyo maana kumgundua si kazi.