RWANDA REFUGEES IN Tanzania...KAGAME ....

[Koba]

rwanda ina makabila makuu mawili, wahutu na watusi. siyo sahihi kusema fedha za damu kutoka kongo zinaijenga rwanda! wahutu wanabaguliwa sana rwanda na kuwa mhutu tu unabambikizwa ugenocider! fedha za damu kutoka kongo zinatumika kujenga na kuimarisha hima empire bila kusahau kufadhili magenge ya mauaji ndani ya kongo m 23 ni baadhi ya mfano mdogo uliodhihirika tu.

Keep it up but lies won't work forever!!

 

[Ngongo]

Duh Koba wewe ni mfuta viatu wa Kagame kila siku unatetea ujinga wa -------- Kagame mwisho wake umefika.

Keep it up but lies won't work forever!!

 

[Koba]

Duh Koba wewe ni mfuta viatu wa Kagame kila siku unatetea ujinga wa -------- Kagame mwisho wake umefika.

You guys really need to learn about how you are being manipulated.

 

[mokala1989]

You guys really need to learn about how you are being manipulated.

hayo matusi koba kwa wapenda amani kuna siku yatarudi, na utalaaniwa wewe, dikteta kagame, na kizazi chenu chote cha mauaji! namwomba mungu na mlaaniwe kwa mateso mnayowapa binadamu wenzenu ndani na nje ya rwanda na hasa kongo, na mlaaniwe tena!

 

[rushasha]

hayo matusi koba kwa wapenda amani kuna siku yatarudi, na utalaaniwa wewe, dikteta kagame, na kizazi chenu chote cha mauaji! namwomba mungu na mlaaniwe kwa mateso mnayowapa binadamu wenzenu ndani na nje ya rwanda na hasa kongo, na mlaaniwe tena!

Mbona washalaaniwa siku nyingi hao wanywa damu za watu...m23 na ndugu zao interahamwe na viongozi wao kina kagame, mu7, nkunda na wengineo bila kuwasahau kina koba and coy

 

[Bongolander]

u seem to better know especially Ntaganda than the DRC president who made him a general in the Congolese army and deputy commander of military operations in eastern Congo?u cant be sane questioning Gen. Ntagandas involvement in the liberation of rwanda?have u ever questioned the hundreds of TZ fallen guys (may their souls rest in peace) in the Mozambique wars some of whom were your uncles?were they Mozambicans?what about the so called fallen heroes in the process of ousting Idd Amini (R.I.P) were they ugandans? u have not reached to a point of arguing facts with intellectuals and bad luck you choice of the jamii forums will take u long to discover the facts....
about expansionism....u guys are obsessed with the trash Mutikila airs out such that u find no reason to do your investigations...is it that u are lazy or bewhitched?wacha uvivu fuatilia mambo...utajua ukweli

Ruzibiza none one buys what Mtikila says, whoever buys it must be a retard, this man has said worse than what you have heard about watusi, but almost everyone listens to what he says. In Tanzania we have room for people to express their thoughts, whether stupid or intelligent. If we bought what Mtikila said, Tutsis would not be living in Tanzania, i think this man said worse things about Asian Tanzanians, but we still have them here.

I am not very conversant with the history of your country, and ignorant so to say, that is why i have so many questions which to me sounds simple, but at the same time i have not been able to get answers. Hope you can en-light me a bit, na kuniondoa ujinga. Looks like in 1959, 1964 and 1973 there were anti-tutsis persecutions. Why is that? In 1994 FDLR murderers killed lots of tutsis (hutus too) why? We just know that they got killed because we had some who fled to Tanzania and told us what was going on there, we had bodies floating in Kagera river.....,...But are hutus blood thirsty murderers, is killing is in their blood? but why don't they become murderers when they come to Tanzania, Uganda or elsewhere where they go? Is it because they have this evil mentality only when they are at home, with fellow country people, tutsis? Kwanini wana historia hiyo? sababu hasa ni nini?

You call Ntaganda a liberator, Jean Bosco Ntaganda a liberator, Really? Liberated Rwanda from who? Belgians? Nkundabatware, Makenga would also call them the same? M23? What difference do they have with Interahamwe. Are you trying to suggest that a hutu interahamwe murderer is evils, and a tusti M23 rapist, killer, looter a hero? Why double standards? let murderers be murderers, whether rwandese, congolese or whaterver, a killer is a killer.

Watanzania waliokufa Uganda hawakwenda kuikomboa Uganda, kwa kuwa Uganda ilikuwa kwa waganda na ilikuwa imekombolewa, huwezi kuikomboa nchi kutoka kwa wenye nayo, isopokuwa walikwenda Kuikomboa Kagera na kumtimua mtu aliyeua watu wetu, kumega ardhi yetu na kuitia hasara Tanzania. Waliokufa Msumbiji walikufa wakiwa kwenye harakati za kulinda uhuru wa Mwafrika, kama utakuwa na kumbukumbu nzuri, Fred Rwigema R.I. P-V.I.P , ilikwenda kwenye mission kama watanzania walivyokwenda. Kwako wewe ni "so called heroes" kwetu sisi ni HEROES and they will always be.

 

[Ruzibiza]

Ruzibiza none one buys what Mtikila says, whoever buys it must be a retard, this man has said worse than what you have heard about watusi, but almost everyone listens to what he says. In Tanzania we have room for people to express their thoughts, whether stupid or intelligent. If we bought what Mtikila said, Tutsis would not be living in Tanzania, i think this man said worse things about Asian Tanzanians, but we still have them here.

I am not very conversant with the history of your country, and ignorant so to say, that is why i have so many questions which to me sounds simple, but at the same time i have not been able to get answers. Hope you can en-light me a bit, na kuniondoa ujinga. Looks like in 1959, 1964 and 1973 there were anti-tutsis persecutions. Why is that? In 1994 FDLR murderers killed lots of tutsis (hutus too) why? We just know that they got killed because we had some who fled to Tanzania and told us what was going on there, we had bodies floating in Kagera river.....,...But are hutus blood thirsty murderers, is killing is in their blood? but why don't they become murderers when they come to Tanzania, Uganda or elsewhere where they go? Is it because they have this evil mentality only when they are at home, with fellow country people, tutsis? Kwanini wana historia hiyo? sababu hasa ni nini?

You call Ntaganda a liberator, Jean Bosco Ntaganda a liberator, Really? Liberated Rwanda from who? Belgians? Nkundabatware, Makenga would also call them the same? M23? What difference do they have with Interahamwe. Are you trying to suggest that a hutu interahamwe murderer is evils, and a tusti M23 rapist, killer, looter a hero? Why double standards? let murderers be murderers, whether rwandese, congolese or whaterver, a killer is a killer.

Watanzania waliokufa Uganda hawakwenda kuikomboa Uganda, kwa kuwa Uganda ilikuwa kwa waganda na ilikuwa imekombolewa, huwezi kuikomboa nchi kutoka kwa wenye nayo, isopokuwa walikwenda Kuikomboa Kagera na kumtimua mtu aliyeua watu wetu, kumega ardhi yetu na kuitia hasara Tanzania. Waliokufa Msumbiji walikufa wakiwa kwenye harakati za kulinda uhuru wa Mwafrika, kama utakuwa na kumbukumbu nzuri, Fred Rwigema R.I. P-V.I.P , ilikwenda kwenye mission kama watanzania walivyokwenda. Kwako wewe ni "so called heroes" kwetu sisi ni HEROES and they will always be.

1.Appreciation
these are the guys who think almost in the same wave length with me and i would love to discuss with...my days in jamii were numbered but see i gotta extend....
2.MUTIKILA
I guess i will not be fair to myself discussing bout Mchungaji
3.Kwanini wana historia hiyo? sababu hasa ni nini?
Hutus are not blood suckers!but those who participated are!
"....let murderers be murderers....."the hatred between Tustsi and Hutu can be traced way back during the last era of Belgian reign...it is during this time that the difference was established and developed for that matter between hutu and tutsi basing on attributes that are God given but individuals held accountable...it is during this time that Hutus were made to believe Tutsi were not the indigenous of Rwanda instead they migrated to rwanda from other parts best known to them. in late July1959 the hatred was ripe such that the Umwami Rudahigwa was suddenly killed in Bujumbura,Burundi when on his way to UN-USA. And because it was clear Hutus were made to oppose the Umwami reign despite the fact that ever since rwanda was in existence it had never had any type of leadership apart from mornarchical.The practical divide and rule was manifested successfully in rwanda. As a result of the unclear death of umwami violences,revolts were experienced leaving thousands dead and others fled to Tanzania(Tanganyika) Burundi Uganda etc. It is the continued violences that led to up to 1M people Tutsi to flee the country and denied come back by the then hutu Govt.
I cant say Hutus are human blood suckers but would rather say that the sin was made by the Belgians and we(hutu/tutsi) accepted the forbidden fruit which for years has haunted us and to some extent still haunting us,but soon or later we shall overcome it. The floating corpses of our brothers and sisters were meant to send the tutsi back to where the hutu killers/Habyalimana govt/kayibanda govt thought tutsi came from that is what was chanted when throwing our beloved in akagera river.
The whole thing is about the hatred based tribal differences established by mukoloni and not about blood sucking maniac....so no way it could have happened in TZ...
4. Ntaganda and all those who liberated Rwanda
Rwanda was liberated from the corrupt and genocidaire govt of Pres. Juvenali R.I.P where countrymen and women of certain attributes had no right to live, from the govt which was even worse than the colonial reign.
-Nkunda,Ntaganda,Makenga and the entire M23 are not related to Rwanda problems, they are congolese of tutsi culture but who are the most scrutnized and even denied existence in their country Congo.
The Interahamwe killers are killers and if the M23 were killers so it were their name....WARNING before you believe what the incumbent govt paints on its opposers go on the ground see for yourself because not even once will the incumbent govt say good of their opposition....the situation doesnt differ so much with what CHADEMA is accused of. Eg ukabira,ukanda and divisionsm idiologies,I am not sure if at all that is the ground on the ground....
-it would sound better as M23 and not as Tutsi M23 as it doesnt make sense.
5. Watanzania waliokufa Uganda hawakwenda kuikomboa Uganda
unapingana na HE JK aliyesema huko Bukoba ya kwamba after regaining the part Id Amin had pronounced his they didnt turn back instead they moved forward with the aim of killing or arresting Amin who was the president of Uganda by then...where it was believed the TZ heros were celebrated by ugandans in areas of Mbarara and many other area of Uganda for ousting the Dictator...why do u think Habalimana differs from Amini?
6. Fred Gisa Rwigema (R.I.P) and other heroes in Mozambique
They went there to train and liberate Mozambique...as in the same way Ntaganda did for rwanda....
Thank you, i welcome any querry should u come across any.

 

[Koba]

1.Appreciation
these are the guys who think almost in the same wave length with me and i would love to discuss with...my days in jamii were numbered but see i gotta extend....
2.MUTIKILA
I guess i will not be fair to myself discussing bout Mchungaji
3.Kwanini wana historia hiyo? sababu hasa ni nini?
Hutus are not blood suckers!but those who participated are!
"....let murderers be murderers....."the hatred between Tustsi and Hutu can be traced way back during the last era of Belgian reign...it is during this time that the difference was established and developed for that matter between hutu and tutsi basing on attributes that are God given but individuals held accountable...it is during this time that Hutus were made to believe Tutsi were not the indigenous of Rwanda instead they migrated to rwanda from other parts best known to them. in late July1959 the hatred was ripe such that the Umwami Rudahigwa was suddenly killed in Bujumbura,Burundi when on his way to UN-USA. And because it was clear Hutus were made to oppose the Umwami reign despite the fact that ever since rwanda was in existence it had never had any type of leadership apart from mornarchical.The practical divide and rule was manifested successfully in rwanda. As a result of the unclear death of umwami violences,revolts were experienced leaving thousands dead and others fled to Tanzania(Tanganyika) Burundi Uganda etc. It is the continued violences that led to up to 1M people Tutsi to flee the country and denied come back by the then hutu Govt.
I cant say Hutus are human blood suckers but would rather say that the sin was made by the Belgians and we(hutu/tutsi) accepted the forbidden fruit which for years has haunted us and to some extent still haunting us,but soon or later we shall overcome it. The floating corpses of our brothers and sisters were meant to send the tutsi back to where the hutu killers/Habyalimana govt/kayibanda govt thought tutsi came from that is what was chanted when throwing our beloved in akagera river.
The whole thing is about the hatred based tribal differences established by mukoloni and not about blood sucking maniac....so no way it could have happened in TZ...
4. Ntaganda and all those who liberated Rwanda
Rwanda was liberated from the corrupt and genocidaire govt of Pres. Juvenali R.I.P where countrymen and women of certain attributes had no right to live, from the govt which was even worse than the colonial reign.
-Nkunda,Ntaganda,Makenga and the entire M23 are not related to Rwanda problems, they are congolese of tutsi culture but who are the most scrutnized and even denied existence in their country Congo.
The Interahamwe killers are killers and if the M23 were killers so it were their name....WARNING before you believe what the incumbent govt paints on its opposers go on the ground see for yourself because not even once will the incumbent govt say good of their opposition....the situation doesnt differ so much with what CHADEMA is accused of. Eg ukabira,ukanda and divisionsm idiologies,I am not sure if at all that is the ground on the ground....
-it would sound better as M23 and not as Tutsi M23 as it doesnt make sense.
5. Watanzania waliokufa Uganda hawakwenda kuikomboa Uganda
unapingana na HE JK aliyesema huko Bukoba ya kwamba after regaining the part Id Amin had pronounced his they didnt turn back instead they moved forward with the aim of killing or arresting Amin who was the president of Uganda by then...where it was believed the TZ heros were celebrated by ugandans in areas of Mbarara and many other area of Uganda for ousting the Dictator...why do u think Habalimana differs from Amini?
6. Fred Gisa Rwigema (R.I.P) and other heroes in Mozambique
They went there to train and liberate Mozambique...as in the same way Ntaganda did for rwanda....
Thank you, i welcome any querry should u come across any.

History and facts kama hizi wengi wao hawataki kuziona au kuchukua muda kuzisoma,the only thing wanataka ni zile red meat za UMUVUGIZI,hope watasoma hata kama hawatakubalina na wewe waje na points why they don't agree,lakini my experience here...no hope!!

 

[Mchumia Rungu]

Tanzania imekuwa kimbilio la amani kwa mataifa mengi kama Rwanda, Burundi na Congo kwa miaka mingi. ukienda mkoa wa kagera hata kigoma, wakimbizi hadi wamekuwa raia, tumewalisha na kuwapa maeneo hadi ya kulima...lakini utashangaa mtu kama PAUL KAGAME, asiye na shukran, amesahau yote hayo. labda kwasababu tuliwapokea wakimbizi walio wengi wahutu?...mbona wakimbizi wa kitusi wengi tu tumekuwa tukiwapokea tangu miaka ya 1950? tumewapokea, nimezaliwa mimi nikiona wakimbizi wapo hapa tz na kuambiwa wametoka Rwanda na Burundi. tumepokea watusi na wahutu kwa miaka mingi, lakini angalia kagame anavyokuja kututukana sisi watz na rais wetu kana kwamba hatujawahi kuwapatia makazi kipindi wanakimbia kifo.....SHUKRAN YA PUNDA SIKU ZOTE NI MATEKE.

Tunakiherehere, kwani walituomba tuwapokee wakimbizi wao? Halafu wakimbizi hao walipokelewa na Tanzania bila sera inayoeleweka na si Kikwete! acha tutukanwe na baadaye tupigwe ndio matunda ya kiherehere chetu.

 

[Bongolander]

1.Appreciation
these are the guys who think almost in the same wave length with me and i would love to discuss with...my days in jamii were numbered but see i gotta extend....
2.MUTIKILA
I guess i will not be fair to myself discussing bout Mchungaji
3.Kwanini wana historia hiyo? sababu hasa ni nini?
Hutus are not blood suckers!but those who participated are!
"....let murderers be murderers....."the hatred between Tustsi and Hutu can be traced way back during the last era of Belgian reign...it is during this time that the difference was established and developed for that matter between hutu and tutsi basing on attributes that are God given but individuals held accountable...it is during this time that Hutus were made to believe Tutsi were not the indigenous of Rwanda instead they migrated to rwanda from other parts best known to them. in late July1959 the hatred was ripe such that the Umwami Rudahigwa was suddenly killed in Bujumbura,Burundi when on his way to UN-USA. And because it was clear Hutus were made to oppose the Umwami reign despite the fact that ever since rwanda was in existence it had never had any type of leadership apart from mornarchical.The practical divide and rule was manifested successfully in rwanda. As a result of the unclear death of umwami violences,revolts were experienced leaving thousands dead and others fled to Tanzania(Tanganyika) Burundi Uganda etc. It is the continued violences that led to up to 1M people Tutsi to flee the country and denied come back by the then hutu Govt.
I cant say Hutus are human blood suckers but would rather say that the sin was made by the Belgians and we(hutu/tutsi) accepted the forbidden fruit which for years has haunted us and to some extent still haunting us,but soon or later we shall overcome it. The floating corpses of our brothers and sisters were meant to send the tutsi back to where the hutu killers/Habyalimana govt/kayibanda govt thought tutsi came from that is what was chanted when throwing our beloved in akagera river.
The whole thing is about the hatred based tribal differences established by mukoloni and not about blood sucking maniac....so no way it could have happened in TZ...
4. Ntaganda and all those who liberated Rwanda
Rwanda was liberated from the corrupt and genocidaire govt of Pres. Juvenali R.I.P where countrymen and women of certain attributes had no right to live, from the govt which was even worse than the colonial reign.
-Nkunda,Ntaganda,Makenga and the entire M23 are not related to Rwanda problems, they are congolese of tutsi culture but who are the most scrutnized and even denied existence in their country Congo.
The Interahamwe killers are killers and if the M23 were killers so it were their name....WARNING before you believe what the incumbent govt paints on its opposers go on the ground see for yourself because not even once will the incumbent govt say good of their opposition....the situation doesnt differ so much with what CHADEMA is accused of. Eg ukabira,ukanda and divisionsm idiologies,I am not sure if at all that is the ground on the ground....
-it would sound better as M23 and not as Tutsi M23 as it doesnt make sense.
5. Watanzania waliokufa Uganda hawakwenda kuikomboa Uganda
unapingana na HE JK aliyesema huko Bukoba ya kwamba after regaining the part Id Amin had pronounced his they didnt turn back instead they moved forward with the aim of killing or arresting Amin who was the president of Uganda by then...where it was believed the TZ heros were celebrated by ugandans in areas of Mbarara and many other area of Uganda for ousting the Dictator...why do u think Habalimana differs from Amini?
6. Fred Gisa Rwigema (R.I.P) and other heroes in Mozambique
They went there to train and liberate Mozambique...as in the same way Ntaganda did for rwanda....
Thank you, i welcome any querry should u come across any.

Thanks for your time mkuu,
Just remember that this forum is a platform for different ideas, you should not be discouraged but shallow minded people who want to see things in the eyes of interahamwe, but it is better to let them air their opinion so that you can know what is in their mind. In my Country of Tanzania we had this talk, openly of who a native Tanzanian is and who is not, we somehow managed to see may be one of our more than 120 tribes is native, our history shows that we all migrated from somewhere and settles in the land we call now Tanzania a few thousands years a go.

Kama kuna mhutu au mtusi anakwambia yeye ni native wa Rwanda na si mhamiaji, basi atakuwa hajui analoongea. wahutu na watusi ni watu wanaostahili kuwa na haki sawa nchini Rwanda, but it is a bit worrisome to see that the status of hutus in Rwanda now, is similar to that of tutsi pre 1994. I wonder what can be the justification of that.

As to Hyabyarimana and Amin, in my eyes they are different. Hyabyarimana did not invade any part of Tanzania nor he claimed any. I do not know much about how Habyarimana ruled Rwanda, other than he was a leader of a corrupt and incapable regime, much different from the current regime of Rwanda. But at least i know that he respected others and when he was told to sit down and talk with RPF he did, right here in Tanzania....he did not say talks are "utter non-sense, ignorance, ideological problem.....we will have another day to deal with it"

Unajua kila ni kisoma habari kutoka Rwanda, kwa waandishi ambao ni neutral nasikitika sana kuona kuwa hakuna kinachofanyika kuondoa mzizi wa genocide, mimi binafsi nina tatizo kubwa sana na Genocide, lakini nasikitika sana kuona nyingine inapaliliwa. Kwa sasa nasikitika kuona kuwa kuna watu bado ni wakimbizi 20 years after genocide.

when are we gonna stop this, mpaka leo tunaweza kuendelea kujustify vitendo vya ajabu, kwa kisingizio cha genocide...interahamwe wenyewe wamakebakia kama 2000 hivi, what are they going to do, what threat do they pose to security of Rwanda. Unadhani kwa sasa kuna mtu anayeweza kuwachekea?

lakini tunatakiwa tujifunze kuwa wavimilivu na watu wenye maoni tofauti, watu kusema FDLR na serikali wakae mezani, haina maana kuwa wanaunga mkono ideology ya kuwaua watusi, ni sawa na M23 wanapokaa na serikali ya DRC.

 

[Koba]

Thanks for your time mkuu,
but it is a bit worrisome to see that the status of hutus in Rwanda now, is similar to that of tutsi pre 1994. I wonder what can be the justification of that.

I do not know much about how Habyarimana ruled Rwanda, other than he was a leader of a corrupt and incapable regime, much different from the current regime of Rwanda. But at least i know that he respected others and when he was told to sit down and talk with RPF he did, right here in Tanzania....he did not say talks are "utter non-sense, ignorance, ideological problem.....we will have another day to deal with it"

.

Acha mchezo wewe,huyo Habyarimana alikataa hata kina Kagame wasirudi nyumbani na alikuwa hawatambui kina kagame kama Rwandese,na nani alikuambia Habyarimana alikubali kuongea na RPF? ukweli ni kwamba alikuwa hana choice maana tanker za RPF zilikuwa mile chache from Kigali na alishapoteza sehemu kubwa ya nchi,na hizi story za wahutu sijui wanaonewa Rwanda ni allegations tuu maana ukweli hakuna tena identification za hutu or Tutsi they are all Rwandese.

 

[Kyenju]

History and facts kama hizi wengi wao hawataki kuziona au kuchukua muda kuzisoma,the only thing wanataka ni zile red meat za UMUVUGIZI,hope watasoma hata kama hawatakubalina na wewe waje na points why they don't agree,lakini my experience here...no hope!!

Mkuu Koba Mr. Ruzibiza kajaribu kuwa neutral, toauti na wewe unayekuwa one side. Nafikiri tukienda na mijadara yanye busara itafika mahali tukubaliane na tutoe ushauri nini kifanyike ili mambo yaishe.

 

[Bongolander]

Acha mchezo wewe,huyo Habyarimana alikataa hata kina Kagame wasirudi nyumbani na alikuwa hawatambui kina kagame kama Rwandese,na nani alikuambia Habyarimana alikubali kuongea na RPF? ukweli ni kwamba alikuwa hana choice maana tanker za RPF zilikuwa mile chache from Kigali na alishapoteza sehemu kubwa ya nchi,na hizi story za wahutu sijui wanaonewa Rwanda ni allegations tuu maana ukweli hakuna tena identification za hutu or Tutsi they are all Rwandese.

Mkuu Koba naona Ruzibiza amejitahidi sana kutufunua macho, ingekuwa ni vizuri na wewe utufunue macho. Ninachojua Habyarimana aliongea na RPF, na kusaini makubaliano kati ya serikali na RPF, ambayo interhamwe walikuwa wanayapinga. Hata kama alikuwa anakataa na hawatambui kina Kagame kuwa ni Rwandese, lakini aliongea nao. Sasa swali linakuja, kwanini Kagame hataki kuongea na FDLR? hawatambui kuwa ni wanyarwanda? Au unaona ni vizuri ifikie hatua ya kulazimishwa aongee nao?

Ni kweli wahutu wanakuwa treated sawa na watusi katika serikali ya Kagame? I find it very hard to believe this, angalia percentage ya wahutu nchini Rwanda, na ulinganishe representation yao kwenye serikali, bunge, mahakama uone kama kweli kuna usawa.

Ruzibiza amesema wahutu sio blood thirsty murderers, lakini interhamwe are. But why do we see some people here want to have us believe kuwa wahutu wote ni Interhamwe? Issue ya kusema hakuna identification ya mhutu na mtusi haina maana akilini mwa wanyarwanda idea imeondoka.

Koba kama uko Tanzania au uko Pasadena au Monrovia unafurahia amani, think of our rwandese brothers and sisters. Kwa kuwa ushenzi kama wa interhamwe ukianza, Kagame will not be there to face the music, he will be in his plane. Kuna wanyarwanda wengine watashindwa kukimbia, ni afadhari tutumie keyborad zetu kupinga uuaji na akili za uuaji, bila kujali ni nani anafanya uuaji.

 

[murutongore]

Ruzibiza none one buys what Mtikila says, whoever buys it must be a retard, this man has said worse than what you have heard about watusi, but almost everyone listens to what he says. In Tanzania we have room for people to express their thoughts, whether stupid or intelligent. If we bought what Mtikila said, Tutsis would not be living in Tanzania, i think this man said worse things about Asian Tanzanians, but we still have them here.

I am not very conversant with the history of your country, and ignorant so to say, that is why i have so many questions which to me sounds simple, but at the same time i have not been able to get answers. Hope you can en-light me a bit, na kuniondoa ujinga. Looks like in 1959, 1964 and 1973 there were anti-tutsis persecutions. Why is that? In 1994 FDLR murderers killed lots of tutsis (hutus too) why? We just know that they got killed because we had some who fled to Tanzania and told us what was going on there, we had bodies floating in Kagera river.....,...But are hutus blood thirsty murderers, is killing is in their blood? but why don't they become murderers when they come to Tanzania, Uganda or elsewhere where they go? Is it because they have this evil mentality only when they are at home, with fellow country people, tutsis? Kwanini wana historia hiyo? sababu hasa ni nini?

You call Ntaganda a liberator, Jean Bosco Ntaganda a liberator, Really? Liberated Rwanda from who? Belgians? Nkundabatware, Makenga would also call them the same? M23? What difference do they have with Interahamwe. Are you trying to suggest that a hutu interahamwe murderer is evils, and a tusti M23 rapist, killer, looter a hero? Why double standards? let murderers be murderers, whether rwandese, congolese or whaterver, a killer is a killer.

Watanzania waliokufa Uganda hawakwenda kuikomboa Uganda, kwa kuwa Uganda ilikuwa kwa waganda na ilikuwa imekombolewa, huwezi kuikomboa nchi kutoka kwa wenye nayo, isopokuwa walikwenda Kuikomboa Kagera na kumtimua mtu aliyeua watu wetu, kumega ardhi yetu na kuitia hasara Tanzania. Waliokufa Msumbiji walikufa wakiwa kwenye harakati za kulinda uhuru wa Mwafrika, kama utakuwa na kumbukumbu nzuri, Fred Rwigema R.I. P-V.I.P , ilikwenda kwenye mission kama watanzania walivyokwenda. Kwako wewe ni "so called heroes" kwetu sisi ni HEROES and they will always be.

Bongolander, your are a learned fellow. For all the comments that I have seen vis a vis Kagame,M23,DRC you are my friend. I don't have time to answer you now but I will enlighted you bro.

 

[Koba]

Mkuu Koba Mr. Ruzibiza kajaribu kuwa neutral, toauti na wewe unayekuwa one side. Nafikiri tukienda na mijadara yanye busara itafika mahali tukubaliane na tutoe ushauri nini kifanyike ili mambo yaishe.

Ruzibiza hajawa neutral ila kawaambia ukweli madwanzi wakubwa nyie.

 

[mokala1989]

Thanks for your time mkuu,
Just remember that this forum is a platform for different ideas, you should not be discouraged but shallow minded people who want to see things in the eyes of interahamwe, but it is better to let them air their opinion so that you can know what is in their mind. In my Country of Tanzania we had this talk, openly of who a native Tanzanian is and who is not, we somehow managed to see may be one of our more than 120 tribes is native, our history shows that we all migrated from somewhere and settles in the land we call now Tanzania a few thousands years a go.

Kama kuna mhutu au mtusi anakwambia yeye ni native wa Rwanda na si mhamiaji, basi atakuwa hajui analoongea. wahutu na watusi ni watu wanaostahili kuwa na haki sawa nchini Rwanda, but it is a bit worrisome to see that the status of hutus in Rwanda now, is similar to that of tutsi pre 1994. I wonder what can be the justification of that.

As to Hyabyarimana and Amin, in my eyes they are different. Hyabyarimana did not invade any part of Tanzania nor he claimed any. I do not know much about how Habyarimana ruled Rwanda, other than he was a leader of a corrupt and incapable regime, much different from the current regime of Rwanda. But at least i know that he respected others and when he was told to sit down and talk with RPF he did, right here in Tanzania....he did not say talks are "utter non-sense, ignorance, ideological problem.....we will have another day to deal with it"

Unajua kila ni kisoma habari kutoka Rwanda, kwa waandishi ambao ni neutral nasikitika sana kuona kuwa hakuna kinachofanyika kuondoa mzizi wa genocide, mimi binafsi nina tatizo kubwa sana na Genocide, lakini nasikitika sana kuona nyingine inapaliliwa. Kwa sasa nasikitika kuona kuwa kuna watu bado ni wakimbizi 20 years after genocide.

when are we gonna stop this, mpaka leo tunaweza kuendelea kujustify vitendo vya ajabu, kwa kisingizio cha genocide...interahamwe wenyewe wamakebakia kama 2000 hivi, what are they going to do, what threat do they pose to security of Rwanda. Unadhani kwa sasa kuna mtu anayeweza kuwachekea?

lakini tunatakiwa tujifunze kuwa wavimilivu na watu wenye maoni tofauti, watu kusema FDLR na serikali wakae mezani, haina maana kuwa wanaunga mkono ideology ya kuwaua watusi, ni sawa na M23 wanapokaa na serikali ya DRC.

kagame ni jeuri sana, anastahili adhabu kali zaidi ya aliyopata gaddaf na magaidi wengine duniani!

 

[Koba]

Mkuu Koba naona Ruzibiza amejitahidi sana kutufunua macho, ingekuwa ni vizuri na wewe utufunue macho. Ninachojua Habyarimana aliongea na RPF, na kusaini makubaliano kati ya serikali na RPF, ambayo interhamwe walikuwa wanayapinga. Hata kama alikuwa anakataa na hawatambui kina Kagame kuwa ni Rwandese, lakini aliongea nao. Sasa swali linakuja, kwanini Kagame hataki kuongea na FDLR? hawatambui kuwa ni wanyarwanda? Au unaona ni vizuri ifikie hatua ya kulazimishwa aongee nao?

Ni kweli wahutu wanakuwa treated sawa na watusi katika serikali ya Kagame? I find it very hard to believe this, angalia percentage ya wahutu nchini Rwanda, na ulinganishe representation yao kwenye serikali, bunge, mahakama uone kama kweli kuna usawa.

Ruzibiza amesema wahutu sio blood thirsty murderers, lakini interhamwe are. But why do we see some people here want to have us believe kuwa wahutu wote ni Interhamwe? Issue ya kusema hakuna identification ya mhutu na mtusi haina maana akilini mwa wanyarwanda idea imeondoka.

Koba kama uko Tanzania au uko Pasadena au Monrovia unafurahia amani, think of our rwandese brothers and sisters. Kwa kuwa ushenzi kama wa interhamwe ukianza, Kagame will not be there to face the music, he will be in his plane. Kuna wanyarwanda wengine watashindwa kukimbia, ni afadhari tutumie keyborad zetu kupinga uuaji na akili za uuaji, bila kujali ni nani anafanya uuaji.

Alichosema Ruzibiza nimewaambia mara nyingi sana lakini majibu niliyopata ni tutsi blood sucker and name calling,hata yeye alisha give up amekuambia maana alichokuwa anapata ni matusi tuu ,to me hapa imebaki mazoea tuu and more of entertainment kuliko serious or legit debate

 

[Brown73]

Amuite kama rafiki kwani wanajadiliana mambo ya kimapenzi? Hivi waafrika lina akili zetu zitapanuka na tutakua na uwezo wa kujadiliana masuala ya kimaendeleo ya teknologia.
Je angesema hivi " Bwana PK kwanza wafyeke hao maadui zako na lipiza kisasi then ndio mpatane" Ndio PK angefurahi sio???.
Always kama watu wanasuluhisha ugomvi ni kukaa pammoja wakiwepo watu/viongozi wengine na kuongea ili maafa na hasara zisitokee.

 

[CYBERTEQ]

Tanzania imekuwa kimbilio la amani kwa mataifa mengi kama Rwanda, Burundi na Congo kwa miaka mingi. ukienda mkoa wa kagera hata kigoma, wakimbizi hadi wamekuwa raia, tumewalisha na kuwapa maeneo hadi ya kulima...lakini utashangaa mtu kama PAUL KAGAME, asiye na shukran, amesahau yote hayo. labda kwasababu tuliwapokea wakimbizi walio wengi wahutu?...mbona wakimbizi wa kitusi wengi tu tumekuwa tukiwapokea tangu miaka ya 1950? tumewapokea, nimezaliwa mimi nikiona wakimbizi wapo hapa tz na kuambiwa wametoka Rwanda na Burundi. tumepokea watusi na wahutu kwa miaka mingi, lakini angalia kagame anavyokuja kututukana sisi watz na rais wetu kana kwamba hatujawahi kuwapatia makazi kipindi wanakimbia kifo.....SHUKRAN YA PUNDA SIKU ZOTE NI MATEKE.

Kagame katutukana nini mkubwa?

 

[nguvumali]

Tanzania imekuwa kimbilio la amani kwa mataifa mengi kama Rwanda, Burundi na Congo kwa miaka mingi. ukienda mkoa wa kagera hata kigoma, wakimbizi hadi wamekuwa raia, tumewalisha na kuwapa maeneo hadi ya kulima...lakini utashangaa mtu kama PAUL KAGAME, asiye na shukran, amesahau yote hayo. labda kwasababu tuliwapokea wakimbizi walio wengi wahutu?...mbona wakimbizi wa kitusi wengi tu tumekuwa tukiwapokea tangu miaka ya 1950? tumewapokea, nimezaliwa mimi nikiona wakimbizi wapo hapa tz na kuambiwa wametoka Rwanda na Burundi. tumepokea watusi na wahutu kwa miaka mingi, lakini angalia kagame anavyokuja kututukana sisi watz na rais wetu kana kwamba hatujawahi kuwapatia makazi kipindi wanakimbia kifo.....SHUKRAN YA PUNDA SIKU ZOTE NI MATEKE.

kagame hapaswi kushukuru lolote kuhusu Tanzania as long as vita ile iliyofika katika kilele mwaka 1994/95 yeye ndio alikuwa muhimili wa mauaji, usambaratishaji wa jamii zako, na leo anajidai yeye ni mtu mwema.
RPF , haina tofauti na magenge ya kihuni yaliyopo CONGO leo, wanatumia utaifa kulawiti mataifa yao.
hana huruma wala chochote kwa watu wa Rwanda, ni mchochezi wa aina yake.