Let me adress the unadressable: Jesuits & mapadri

[FaizaFoxy]

Vipi ile ya mwanaume akiingia nyumbani wewe mwanamke inabidi umnyonyeshe ili kuondoa hisia zake juu yako kama wewe ni mke wa mtu??au huamini hadith's

Sijawahi kuusikia huo upuuzi wenu mnaojitungia. mnaoiogopa kuinikuu Qur'an?Soma....

THE WORD HADITH IN QURAN
A review of the use of the word Hadith in the Quran can show any sincere believer that God wants us to follow no other Hadiths but His Hadith, the QURAN.

Here is some of what the Quran says about Hadiths. The words are clear but those who insist on defying God cannot see it or feel it.

[Quran 7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in?
[Quran 31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.
[Quran 39:23] God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them.
[Quran 45:6] These are God's revelations (Quran) that we recite to you truthfully. In which HADITH other than God and His revelations do they believe?
[Quran 52:34] Let them produce a HADITH like this (Quran) if they are truthful.
[Quran 68:44] Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this HADITH(Quran); we will lead them on whence they never perceive.
[Quran 77:50] Which HADITH other than this do they uphold?

 

[Mcqueenen]

Sijawahi kuusikia huo upuuzi wenu mnaojitungia. mnaoiogopa kuinikuu Qur'an?Soma....

THE WORD HADITH IN QURAN
A review of the use of the word Hadith in the Quran can show any sincere believer that God wants us to follow no other Hadiths but His Hadith, the QURAN.

Here is some of what the Quran says about Hadiths. The words are clear but those who insist on defying God cannot see it or feel it.

[Quran 7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in?
[Quran 31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.
[Quran 39:23] God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them.
[Quran 45:6] These are God's revelations (Quran) that we recite to you truthfully. In which HADITH other than God and His revelations do they believe?
[Quran 52:34] Let them produce a HADITH like this (Quran) if they are truthful.
[Quran 68:44] Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this HADITH(Quran); we will lead them on whence they never perceive.
[Quran 77:50] Which HADITH other than this do they uphold?

Kina aisha walioripoti na maswahaba walioripoti kuhusu unyonyeshaji wa wageni leo hii unawaita wapuuzi?

 

[Mcqueenen]

Sijawahi kuusikia huo upuuzi wenu mnaojitungia. mnaoiogopa kuinikuu Qur'an?Soma....

THE WORD HADITH IN QURAN
A review of the use of the word Hadith in the Quran can show any sincere believer that God wants us to follow no other Hadiths but His Hadith, the QURAN.

Here is some of what the Quran says about Hadiths. The words are clear but those who insist on defying God cannot see it or feel it.

[Quran 7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in?
[Quran 31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.
[Quran 39:23] God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them.
[Quran 45:6] These are God's revelations (Quran) that we recite to you truthfully. In which HADITH other than God and His revelations do they believe?
[Quran 52:34] Let them produce a HADITH like this (Quran) if they are truthful.
[Quran 68:44] Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this HADITH(Quran); we will lead them on whence they never perceive.
[Quran 77:50] Which HADITH other than this do they uphold?

Kwani quran imekataza mtu kumlawiti mke wake? Au ni ruksa

 

[mkaliman]

Ukiwa close sana na padri then maybe then anaweza kukupa siri hizi...but hauwezi kiacha upadri kama vile ambavyo hauwezi kuacha usalama wa taifa uende kuuza nyanya.

Vipi padre slaa? Acheni upuuzi, ninyi ni watu wazima ama wanafunzi wa form 2?

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[mkaliman]

kwa nini uliacha?Huenda leo ungekuwa kasisi mmoja mkubwa sana,mwanasiasa,mwanamuziki,kachero.

Mshana ni msabato, wapare 80% ni wasabato na wanafikiri kusema uzushi juu ya rc ndo wanajenga ya kwao kumbe unafiki wao wafahamika hadi mwisho wa dahari

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[mkaliman]

Inawezekana ni conspiracy theories tu.lakini shida inakuja ni kwanini kuwe na 'point of no return' kwanini kuwe na tahadhari kubwa kiasi hicho wakati wanajua fika hata Hugo anayetaka kuwa padri ni binadamu tu kama wanadamu wengine na huenda siku moja akakosea na akakengeuka miiko ya imani hiyo!?
Nadhani ingekuwa tu onyo la kawaida kwamba ukifanya hili na hili unatoka katika imani hii,nadhani pengine kuna madhara makubwa humfika mtu endapo atatoka katika imani zao,na hapo ndo nnapoamini hili andiko.

Tafsiri potofu, upadre ni sacramenti, kama ambavyo tunabatizwa mara moja na upadre unapewa mara moja, sasa ukishakuwa padre wewe ni padre ata ukufukuzwa haikuondolei upadre, ila ukifanya ushenzi watakufukuza kwa maana ya kukuondolea platform ya kufanya shughuli za upadre ila ukifanyikiwa kumpa mtu huduma inahesabika kama huduma kamili. Sasa hayo mawazo yenu kuwa hawafukuzwi sijui mmeyaokota wapi.

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[shungurui]

Macardinal ni moja wapo ya hizo position,maana watakuwa wanajua jinsi pope anavyochaguliwa, na hawa wanateuliwa na pope.

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[Ignas lyamuya]

Wakuu,

Confidence ya huu uzi sina, naogopa kuandika hapa, ninatetemeka, maana hii taasisi inatisha kuliko hata amateur jihad fighters.

So I'll keep it short and sweet ila Jesuits, I'm sorry in advance. Msinitafute please.

UPADRI:
Iko hivi: Upadri ukiusomea kuna stage inafika inaitwa no return stage, in that stage unaambiwa kabisa...wait kwanza.

Quick Analogy: Kama unavyoingia Freemason, mwanzoni si wanakuambia hiki ni chama tu kama vicoba? Yani hakihusishi dini wala imani yoyote, hakina mambo ya kafara wala nini, ni kwa ajili ya kusaidia jamii kuondokana na umasikini. Lakini si ukishaingia ukazidi kuusoma na kupanda degree, kuna ile degree inafika unaambiwa sasa hapa there is no return.

Hapo ndipo utaanza kufundishwa true intention ya FM na kuhusu ibada za shetani n.k. At that stage wanakuambia ukiacha tu tunakuua.

Turudi kwenye mada sasa.

Hivyo hivyo inakuwaga upadri. Ukienda kusoma unapopanda madegree mpaka Vatican huwa kuna stage. Sasa inafika unaambiwa the true face of Catholicism na unaambiwa kabisa who is our god, our plans for this world, who are our enemies na mambo mengine kedekede. At that stage inakuwa too late huwezi tena kuacha.

Hii ipo true na ni fact kuwa huwezi kuacha upadri, hata uzini, uue, uibe unaweza ukafukuzwa kazi lakini utaendelea kukaa sehemu malumu ukichungwa na kuendelea kulipwa, lakini siyo kurudi mtaani na kuanza mishe za boda boda, hata ukirudi mtaani watakua wanakuchunga sana.

Hata ivo watakuwa wanakuamini sana mpaka wakuruhusu urudi mtaan (kama mfungwa wa nje)

Huwezi kubadili dini maana wanajua utaenda umwage siri za Vatican, personally niliambiwa hizi mambo na padri fulani alizini akataka kubadili dini wakathreat kumuua. Hii ishu baadhi ya wajuvi watakuwa wanajua ngoja niishie hapa.

JESUITS: Hii organization ipo ndani ya dini na ni far, far, far, far worse zaidi ya upadri maana kazi ya padri ni kuhakikisha anashika raia wengi kanisani lakini hawa CIA kazi yao ni kudeal na affairs za kikanisa nje ya kanisa. Hawa ndo wanakuwa marais, mashehe, wachungaji, wanasiasa, wanamziki, wafanyabiashara wakubwa n.k n.k n.k.

Hawa kukupoteza ni dakika sifuri. Kuna kiongozi wa dini fulani (kapuni) isiyo RC alifukuzwa baada ya kugundulika ni Jesuit.

Hawa ndiyo mimi nawaogopa na ninajua nimeshawakosea kwa kuvujisha siri hapo juu.

With that being said wajameni Jesuits nilikua natania tu hapo juu msichukulie serious (I'm serious)

Kwanini Dr Slaa aliruhusiwa kuacha na tangu kuacha kwake kasema nini kuhusu hawa freemasons

Kifupi umeandika nadharia hujui lolote kuhusu UPADRI


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[Ignas lyamuya]

Kulawitiwa mnaanza "stage" ipi? maana tunasoma kuwa 80% huko ni mashoga. Ushahidi...

Four in five Vatican priests are gay, book claims

French journalist’s book is a ‘startling account of corruption and hypocrisy’, publisher says

www.theguardian.com

Duh style unayotumia ku attack catholic church ni ki zamani sana.....80% means ni mapadri wote una elimu yoyote kuhusu “ moral theology” labda tuanzie hapa


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[Ignas lyamuya]

Kwanini RC wamekua na mambo ya Siri namna hii na wanatumia nguvu nyingi kufanikisha dini yao ijulikane

Huku kwetu mikoa ya pwani ambapo inaonekana kuna waislaam wengi wameongeza nguvu ya kuanzisha NGO's mbalimbali za misaada na utetezi wa kijinsia nadhani hawa ndio hao JESUIT

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Hivi mnadhani bila hizi NGO’s mtabanduka na ujinga na umaskini mliokuwa nao shukuruni ata hizo taasisi maana ata serikali inaona ni upotevu wa pesa kuweka miradi huko maana mna uwezo mdogo vichwani


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[Ignas lyamuya]

Ukiwa close sana na padri then maybe then anaweza kukupa siri hizi...but hauwezi kiacha upadri kama vile ambavyo hauwezi kuacha usalama wa taifa uende kuuza nyanya.

Hakuna mtu ambaye anakatazwa kuacha leta ushahidi wa aliyekatazwa ila me nitakuletea ushahidi wa waliocha


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[Ignas lyamuya]

Kwenye utawa point of no return hufikiwa kwa kuweka nadhiri za milele.

Hatua hii unaifikia miaka kadhaa (kwa mashirika mengi huwa 10 japo kila shirika na Jimbo lina utaratibu wake) baada ya kuwa mtawa.

Unataka kutuambia na wewe ni mtawa?

Japo ata hii pia unaweza kuomba dispensation ukaondolewa kifungo cha nadhiri za milele pia kwa hiyo hiyo point of no return wanaipata wapi hawa


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[Ignas lyamuya]

Sema wewe nimekupendea kitu kimoja..wewe ni muungwana lakini usiejua vingi hivyo points zako hazinipingi direct kwasababu haujajaribu kupotosha.
Points zote umebase maelezo ya sakramenti n.k n.k
Sasa nakujibu hivi,vipi mke wako akifa? Hauruhusiwi kuoa mwingine??
Vipi sasa imani yako katika kanisa ikifa?? Hauruhusiwi kubadili dini wewe kama padri?
Point is hao mapadri wana siri nyingi na zinalindwa by all costs including death threats.



Hii ndo the only point iliyojaribu kupinga sasa kuhusu jesuits; hao wanaoperate in shadows,a secret society if i may,
Sasa hao wanaweza kufanya chochote na wasiwe excommunicated.... Hivyo hio sio point kwasababu hawa jamaa hawafanyi kazi zao openly kila mtu ajue kuwa sheikh flan ni jesuit au ni mroma, but wanaoperate undercover ndiyo maana katiba yao inakataza mtu yeyote mwenye background ya kiislam (hata kama babu yake na babu yake alikuwa muislam) kuja kuwa jesuit
Unahisi kwanini?? Na lengo kuu la hii society ni nini?

Ndugu yangu hakuna siri yoyote ili uwe padri ni lazima usome filosofia na theologia ingia google usome mtaala wa degree ya filosofia kuna nini ndani yake kila kitu kipo wazi na the same na theologia

Baada ya hapo mtu hupadirishwa hakuna kitu kingine huku JF kuna ma ex seminarian ndugu yangu kitu kama hukijui uliza kwanza uambiwe


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[Ignas lyamuya]

Dr. Wilbroad Slaa ni Padri wa Kanisa Katoliki, hajawahi kuwa Askofu ila amewahi kuwa Katibu Mkuu wa Baraza la Maaskofu Wakatoliki Tanzania (TEC).

Haijalishi kama anajitambulisha au la, lakini Sakramenti ya upadre aliyoipokea haifutwi kwa kuwa aliomba kuacha kutoa huduma. Yule bado ni Padri, ambaye anaweza kutoa huduma kama padri katika mazingira fulani fulani.

Unapopewa Sakramenti za Kanisa (Ubatizo, upadre, ndoa, n.k.) haziondolewi na kitu chochote.

Ndio maana, kwa mfano, kama John amemuoa Anna kwa ndoa ya Kikatoliki, halafu akamuacha (kwa sababu yoyote ile) akampenda Elizabeth na akataka kufunga naye ndoa, Anna anaruhusiwa kuwawekea kipingamizi, na hiyo ndoa ya John na Elizabeth haitafungwa.

Kwanini hiyo ndoa isifungwe? Kwa sababu Kanisa linatambua Sakramenti ya ndoa Kati ya John na Anna ambayo ni ya milele. John bado yupo kwenye ndoa na Anna ambaye aliapa kumpenda mpaka kifo.

Kwahiyo Mkuu, hili suala halipo kwa mapadre tu, lipo kwa Sakramenti zote.

Upo sahihi mkuu ila nakurekebisha kidogo.....sakramenti zinazoacha alama isiyofutika ( Indelible character) zipo Tatu tu

1. Ubatizo

2. Upadri

3 kipaimara

Na hizi ukiangalia ni sacrament ambazo hazirudiwi mara mbili ila Ndoa hapana

Otherwise upo sahihi


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[Ignas lyamuya]

jamaa wapo smart sana kujibu maswali

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Mkuu ni kwa sababu ya filosofia


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[FaizaFoxy]

Duh style unayotumia ku attack catholic church ni ki zamani sana.....80% means ni mapadri wote una elimu yoyote kuhusu “ moral theology” labda tuanzie hapa


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Hao ni moja ya magazeti makubwa duniani. The Guardian la Uingereza, si Mimi. Au hujasoma chanzo? Na l"link" ya hizo habari nimeiweka hapo. Au ni.mgeni wewe wa kutumia mitandao ya kijamii?

 

[Sang'udi]

Upo sahihi mkuu ila nakurekebisha kidogo.....sakramenti zinazoacha alama isiyofutika ( Indelible character) zipo Tatu tu

1. Ubatizo

2. Upadri

3 kipaimara

Na hizi ukiangalia ni sacrament ambazo hazirudiwi mara mbili ila Ndoa hapana

Otherwise upo sahihi


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Ahsante sana Mkuu.

 

[kambiko]

Kulawitiwa mnaanza "stage" ipi? maana tunasoma kuwa 80% huko ni mashoga. Ushahidi...

Four in five Vatican priests are gay, book claims

French journalist’s book is a ‘startling account of corruption and hypocrisy’, publisher says

www.theguardian.com

We ajuza utakuwa msagaji sio bure

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[Makanyaga]

Nimejifunza na kuishi utawa kwa miaka 5 na kukamilisha hatua mbili muhimu... Hatua ya tatu ndio ingekuwa a point of no return! Ningeifanya ile sijui leo hii ningekuwa wapi

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Ungekuwa unatumika madhabahuni pa Bwana, possibly ungekuwa uanakaribia kuwa kama walivyo Baba Askofu Pengo au Methodius Kilaini

 

[Ignas lyamuya]

Hao ni moja ya magazeti makubwa duniani. The Guardian la Uingereza, si Mimi. Au hujasoma chanzo? Na l"link" ya hizo habari nimeiweka hapo. Au ni.mgeni wewe wa kutumia mitandao ya kijamii?

By the way tatizo ulilonalo ni tatizo la wazanzania wengi ni “ passive audience” kwenye media badala ya kuwa “ active audience” chochote unachokisikia kwenye media tumia akili yako kukitafakari, kukichambua, then pima na weka positive altitude kwenye hilo jambo....baada ya hapo utakuwa na majibu sahihi

Sio kwamba nabishana na utafiti wa gazeti ila unaangalia 80% inawezekanaje mapadri wote wakawa mashoga.


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