Je, Biblia ya ukweli/Halisi ni ipi?

Je, Biblia ya ukweli/Halisi ni ipi?

sele255 said:
"Wana macho nao hawaoni,wana masikio nao hawasikii"
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Shida yenu wafia dini hampendi kureason kabisa na ndio maana kila swali gumu mkiulizwa mnakimbilia kusema UNATUMIKA NA SHETANI..... Na hii ndio sababu hao manabii feki kina Gwajima,Mzee wa upako wanawaburuza tu sababu mnafuata fuata kila kitu bila kuhoji. Kama mada imekushinda kaa pembeni huoni hao wenzako wanajibu hoja kwa maandiko bila kulialia kma wewe. Nyie ndio mnashusha hadhi JF !!
 
zitto junior said:
Shida yenu wafia dini hampendi kureason kabisa na ndio maana kila swali gumu mkiulizwa mnakimbilia kusema UNATUMIKA NA SHETANI..... Na hii ndio sababu hao manabii feki kina Gwajima,Mzee wa upako wanawaburuza tu sababu mnafuata fuata kila kitu bila kuhoji. Kama mada imekushinda kaa pembeni huoni hao wenzako wanajibu hoja kwa maandiko bila kulialia kma wewe. Nyie ndio mnashusha hadhi JF !!
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"Jilindeni na chachu ya mafarisayo na masadukayo"
 
zitto junior said:
Mkuu nimekusoma kabisa hoja yako kuhusu swali lako labda nieleze hivi
1. Nauliza sababu Ethiopia wamekiweka hiko kitabu cha Henoko kwenye Biblia yao huku RC na protestants hawajakiweka na humo kina kinzana vitu vya msingi kabisa mfano Unabii wa siku za mwisho, uumbaji wa Mungu, ukombozi wa wanadamu mfano wakati wa Nuhu biblia inatuonyesha walifanya dhambi ila Nuhu alikuwa mtakatifu ndio maana kaachwa lakini henoko anasema Nuhu hakupona sababu ni mtakatifu bali kwakuwa tu hakuwa ana damu ya wanefili sasa vitu kma hivi vinauwezo wa kuua imani ya wakristo n.k hivyo hoja yangu hapa sio enoko tu bali kuonyesha kwamba Biblia zote haziko sawa so haziwezi zote kuwa halali na haziwezi zote kuwa Zimevuviwa na Roho mtakatifu maana naamini Roho hawezi jiachanganya

Mfano mwingine ufunuo wa siku za mwisho umeelezewa tofauti kabisa kwenye Book fo Abraham kinachotumiwa na Bible ya mormons sasa huoni inaweza potosha mamilion ya watu ikiwa kila biblia ina ufunuo tofauti wa kuja kwa Yesu?? Main point hapa nilitaka tukubaliane kwamba Biblia moja tu ndio itakuwa sahihi na zingine ni batili sasa basi hiyo halali ni ipi?? Na ambayo sio halali nini hatma ya hayo makanisa kama yamepotoshwa miaka yote hii?? Na kwanini Mungu aruhusu maneno yake yaongezewe uongo hadi kusababisha mamilion ya watu wapotezwe??

I hope umeelewa nachotaka kuraise hapa
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Sasa hapa tuwekane sawa.
Enoko ni Bibilia au kitabu kimoja tu ameandika huyo kama ilivyo Genesis/ Ufunuo/Luka etc?
na vipi katika utafiti wako, RC, Protestants Biblia zao zinatofautiana na Ya Wayahudi waliompokea na kummuamini Christ? if Yes, Kwenye nini?
Mwisho niseme hivi. Vyote vipo sawa kwa mustakabali wa watumiaji wa vitabu hivyo. hii inasithibitishwa na andiko Matthew 7:15-25.
 
Kisoda2 said:
Sasa hapa tuwekane sawa.
Enoko ni Bibilia au kitabu kimoja tu ameandika huyo kama ilivyo Genesis/ Ufunuo/Luka etc?
na vipi katika utafiti wako, RC, Protestants Biblia zao zinatofautiana na Ya Wayahudi waliompokea na kummuamini Christ? if Yes, Kwenye nini?
Mwisho niseme hivi. Vyote vipo sawa kwa mustakabali wa watumiaji wa vitabu hivyo. hii inasithibitishwa na andiko Matthew 7:15-25.
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Henoko ni moja ya kitabu katika Biblia ya Ethiopian Orthodox church ambacho kinakinzana kwa kiasi kikubwa na kitabu cha mwanzo kilichopo Bible ya protestants sasa kma mkristo ni sawa kufuata misimamo ya Nabii Henoko wa Biblia ya orthodox au kufuata mafundisho ya kitabu cha mwanzo cha Bible ya protestants??
NB: Ieleweke kuwa naposema Bible ni kwamba zote zina mizizi kwenye Biblia ya wayahudi/waebrania nikimaanisha zina mtiririko wa Genesis-revelation ila wanapishana baadhi ya vitabu vichache.

Protestants na RC wanatofautiana na baadhi ya vitabu vya wayahudi ndio maana kuna wengine walifuata septuagint na wengine walifuata masoretic texts (nimeshaeleza kwenye mada) so wanatofautiana kwenye baadhi ya misimamo.

Mfano ufunuo ni kitabu muhimu sana kwa wakristo lakini Bible ya martin luther ilimuita Yohana "Nabii uchwara" na alipanga kukifuta hicho kitabu sasa kwa mtazamo wako Biblia inayopinga ufunuo wa yohana yaani kurudi kwa mara ya pili kwa Yesu itakuwa sawa na Biblia inayokubali na kueleza kwa kina kurudi kwa mara ya pili kwa Yesu??
 
Kisoda2 said:
Biblia ya ALLAH.
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mgen said:
Ni wazimu wa maswali [emoji117] View attachment 997166 eti ibi Maktaba sahihi [emoji350] [emoji15]

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The Gospel of Matthew:

"The unknown author, whom we shall continue to call Matthew for the sake of convenience, drew no only up the Gospel according to Mark but upon a large body of material (principally, sayings of Jesus) not found in Mk that corresponds, sometimes exactly, to material found also in the Gospel according to Luke. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1008)"

"As for the place where the gospel was composed, a plausible suggestion is that it was Antioch, the capital of the Roman province of Syria. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1009)"

So we clearly see, both the author or authors and the place of composition of the "Gospel of Matthew" are unknown.



The Gospel of Mark:

Note: This gospel is the oldest and supposedly the most original one in the New Testament!


"Although the book is anonymous, apart from the ancient heading "According to Mark" in manuscripts, it has traditionally been assigned to John Mark, in whose mother's house (at Jerusalem) Christians assembled. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1064)"

"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible Commentary [1], page 1488)"

  • We certainly do not know whether Mark was the author or not! The quote clearly states "no direct internal evidence of authorship". Also, the so-called unanimous testimony of the early church:

    - Does not prove that the author was Mark.

    - Nor does it prove that other people did not alter and modify the book, especially when the book was written at least 40-50 years after Christ. We don't even know if Mark even wrote the book.


"Traditionally, the gospel is said to have been written shortly before A.D. 70 in Rome, at a time of impending persecution and when destruction loomed over Jerusalem. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1064)"

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes [1], page 1528)"

"This verse, which reads, "But if you do not forgive, neither will your heavenly Father forgive your transgressions," is omitted in the best manuscripts. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1081)"

"This passage, termed the Longer Ending to the Marcan gospel by comparison with a much briefer conclusion found in some less important manuscripts, has traditionally been accepted as a canonical part of the gospel and was defined as such by the Council of Trent. Early citations of it by the Fathers indicate that it was composed by the second century, although vocabulary and style indicate that it was written by someone other than Mark. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1088)"

So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not, nor do we know when and where the "gospel" was even written. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark?
 
Gavana said:
The Gospel of Matthew:

"The unknown author, whom we shall continue to call Matthew for the sake of convenience, drew no only up the Gospel according to Mark but upon a large body of material (principally, sayings of Jesus) not found in Mk that corresponds, sometimes exactly, to material found also in the Gospel according to Luke. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1008)"

"As for the place where the gospel was composed, a plausible suggestion is that it was Antioch, the capital of the Roman province of Syria. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1009)"

So we clearly see, both the author or authors and the place of composition of the "Gospel of Matthew" are unknown.



The Gospel of Mark:

Note: This gospel is the oldest and supposedly the most original one in the New Testament!


"Although the book is anonymous, apart from the ancient heading "According to Mark" in manuscripts, it has traditionally been assigned to John Mark, in whose mother's house (at Jerusalem) Christians assembled. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1064)"

"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible Commentary [1], page 1488)"

  • We certainly do not know whether Mark was the author or not! The quote clearly states "no direct internal evidence of authorship". Also, the so-called unanimous testimony of the early church:

    - Does not prove that the author was Mark.

    - Nor does it prove that other people did not alter and modify the book, especially when the book was written at least 40-50 years after Christ. We don't even know if Mark even wrote the book.


"Traditionally, the gospel is said to have been written shortly before A.D. 70 in Rome, at a time of impending persecution and when destruction loomed over Jerusalem. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1064)"

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes [1], page 1528)"

"This verse, which reads, "But if you do not forgive, neither will your heavenly Father forgive your transgressions," is omitted in the best manuscripts. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1081)"

"This passage, termed the Longer Ending to the Marcan gospel by comparison with a much briefer conclusion found in some less important manuscripts, has traditionally been accepted as a canonical part of the gospel and was defined as such by the Council of Trent. Early citations of it by the Fathers indicate that it was composed by the second century, although vocabulary and style indicate that it was written by someone other than Mark. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1088)"

So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not, nor do we know when and where the "gospel" was even written. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark?
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Kamkoromee allah aliye sema kwa kinywa cha baba fatuma kwamba wale WASEMAO SISI NI WAKRISTO NI WASOMI NA WACHAMUNGU [emoji117]
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hayo makadi ya kliniki ni chuma chakavu [emoji12] [emoji53] unabweka Unaembwekea Kajikita na BIBLIA TAKATIFU KWA RAHA ZAKE [emoji123] [emoji106] [emoji122] [emoji122]

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mgen said:
Kamkoromee allah aliye sema kwa kinywa cha baba fatuma kwamba wale WASEMAO SISI NI WAKRISTO NI WASOMI NA WACHAMUNGU [emoji117] View attachment 997431 hayo makadi ya kliniki ni chuma chakavu [emoji12] [emoji53] unabweka Unaembwekea Kajikita na BIBLIA TAKATIFU KWA RAHA ZAKE [emoji123] [emoji106] [emoji122] [emoji122]

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Unatafuta ligi Lakini hapa huipati, nimekuwekea Biblia zenyewe zilivyoandikwa hao walioandika wakoromee wewe
 
Gavana said:
Unatafuta ligi Lakini hapa huipati, nimekuwekea Biblia zenyewe zilivyoandikwa hao walioandika wakoromee wewe
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Hivi wewe Hujui Biblia Takatifu ina TBS Ambayo hata koloani ilijaribu kughushi ikashindikana [emoji350] [emoji348] [emoji348] Mojawapo ya TBS ni hii
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weka Biblia moja Ambayo inaenda kinyume na Amri hizi [emoji53]

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sele255 said:
Endelea kujifunza ujinga,maana mtoa mada hajui lolote kuhusu biblia.
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We jamaa unachekesha sasa kama sijui kwanini usinifundishe?? Yaani toka umekuja humu umeshindwa kujibu swali hata moja alafu unabakia tu kutoa kejeli.... Kwa akili hizi ndio maana manabii zenu feki wanawauzia sijui maji ya baraka na majitu mazima mna PhD zenu mnanunua!! Embu pisha tu huu uzi sio level zako
 
mgen said:
Hivi wewe Hujui Biblia Takatifu ina TBS Ambayo hata koloani ilijaribu kughushi ikashindikana [emoji350] [emoji348] [emoji348] Mojawapo ya TBS ni hii View attachment 997502 weka Biblia moja Ambayo inaenda kinyume na Amri hizi [emoji53]

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Luther Bible imevunja amri ya 9 ya kutoshuhudia uongo..... Martin Luther anamuita muandishi wa waraka wa Yakobo,waebrania na ufunuo ni manabii uchwara je huo ni ukweli?? Kama sio ukweli huoni kavunja hiyo amri?? Hapo sijaja Biblia ya mormon New world Translation, bado Ethiopian Orthodox Bible!!

Shida hamtafiti mnakaririshwa tu uongo makanisani..... Mara cjui maji ya upako,sabuni ya uzima na miujiza ya kuwashika akili ndio maana hambadiliki

Ushauri tu ukiingia mijadala kama hii kuwa na free mind ili ujifunze ila ukiingia kwa misingi ya kutetea tu imani yako hutojifunza mwisho wa siku utakuwa kama mafarisayo ambao walikuwa na Biblia yote kichwani ila hawakumtambua Yesu sababu walikaririshana uongo wakaacha ukweli uwapite pembeni
 
Agano la kale pia lina version mbili tofauti
1. Kuna ile inayoitwa MASORETIC BIBLE hii hutumiwa na Wayahudi ( hili ni vile vitabu vitano vya Musa plus vitabu vingine vya manabii)

2. Kuna SAMARITAN bible ( hii ni ya vitabu vitano tu vya Musa), Hawa Samaritans wanafuata TORAH peke yake hawafuati Talmud za wayahudi na maandishi ya ma Rabbi

3. Hawa Samaritans wao wanajiita ndo wafuasi Pure wa TORAH, na pia hujiita Real Israelites wakimaanisha kwamba wao ni Wana wa israel (wanajiita kuwa wametokana na uzao wa Yusufu mwana wa Yakobo/Israel)ambao hawakwenda Utumwani babylon baada ya temple kuvunjwa kwa hiyo wanajiita Wana wa Israel halisi

4. Wasamaria hawajiiti Wayahudi hata kidogo, ila population yao imebaki kidogo mno hawafiki hata 1000

5. Kuna ugomvi wa Kale kati ya Wayahudi na Wasamaria ambapo kila mmoja anajiona yuko sahihi zaidi

6. Wayahudi huwaona Wasamaria kama Watu ambao siyo miongoni mwa wana wa Israel wa kale

7. Biblia ya Wasamaritan na Wayahudi zimetofautiana kwa tofauti zaidi ya 6000 baina yao

Katika Biblia ya Wasamaria Ishmael kaelezewa vizuri tofauti na biblia ya Wayahudi

Soma hapa:

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/132004/the-other-torah

Pia unaweza kupata clue ya tofauti kati ya Mesoretic bible na Samaritan bible katika ishu ya Ishmael mwana wa Ibrahim katika video hii ya Rabbi wa Kiyahudi:


 
Ni uzi mzuri ingawa nitaamini mwandishi umeegemea upande Fulani (Sory 4 that). But hiyo Ndio sifa ya ubinadamu coz Hata hao waandishi wa vitabu vya dini wote unaowajua wewe wameandika kwa muktadha wa upande/maslahi Fulani.

Swali rahisi "Ni Kitabu gani cha
kidini ambacho hakijaandikwa kwa upendeleo wa dunia husika)?

Ujumbe mkuu ndani ya Biblia takatifu ni WOKOVU WA MUNGU KWA WANADAMU.
Tangu Mwanzo hadi ufunuo. Huo Ndio msingi wao neno la Mungu

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