Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

So Dar is slum yenu that doesn't apply grid iko planned? Hehehe...
Now you're all over the place like cheese on pizza. We're not discussing anything Dar, eventhough Karikoo is gridded to death.
 
Ok .. congrats 🎉 though a single lucky goal at home ground sio kitu ya kujigamba sana . But a win is a win . Tutaonana tena ..
Tutaendelea kuwagonga sn sio tu kwenye national teams bali hata kwa ngazi ya clubs, tena kwenye clubs ndiyo msiguse kabisa tumewaacha mbali mnooooo. Football it's all about investment na sio story za jaba kama mnavyosemaga.
 
That is the talk of the town, my friend. Modern suburbs prioritize car-oriented layouts, zoning separation, and phased infrastructure on large parcels—favoring curving streets and cul-de-sacs over the uniform connectivity of a grid.
We are talking about sprawl, not curved roads. Sprawl is neither mutually exclusive with curved roads nor grid system. Do you know why American Cities are considered terribly planned while European Cities are considered well planned?
 
If cities were dating, the grid would be that reliable but boring partner who never wants to try anything new. The system is so unnatural, it's like living on giant city graph paper with a few parks tossed in to sweeten the square pill.
 
We are talking about sprawl, not curved roads. Sprawl is neither mutually exclusive with curved roads nor grid system. Do you know why American Cities are considered terribly planned while European Cities are considered well planned?
Mzee huongelei football? Leo tunataka kuongelea football. Tatizo wakenya mnaumia sana na mnachukuli vitu serious sana. Take things easy
 
If cities were dating, the grid would be that reliable but boring partner who never wants to try anything new. The system is so unnatural, it's like living on giant city graph paper with a few parks tossed in to sweeten the square pill.
Are you by any chance in a Built Environment field/Career?
 
Mzee huongelei football? Leo tunataka kuongelea football. Tatizo wakenya mnaumia sana na mnachukuli vitu serious sana. Take things easy
This is you right now sir. Holding your neck wondering what the two genius aliens are saying. You do not have to be part of every conversations. Some conversations are just above your paygrade.

 
We are talking about sprawl, not curved roads. Sprawl is neither mutually exclusive with curved roads nor grid system. Do you know why American Cities are considered terribly planned while European Cities are considered well planned?
American cities are often criticized for their sprawl, which is indeed a separate issue from grid systems or curved roads, and it's largely due to a combination of factors like post-war suburbanization, car-centric culture, and lack of comprehensive public transportation.

European cities, with their older, more compact designs, often prioritize density, walkability, and mixed-use development, making them seem more 'well-planned' in comparison. It is just a matter of preference.
 
Kinda, Imagine a world where you get to play with Legos, but instead of blocks, you're working with tiny, invisible blocks called "code" that can make things move, talk, and even think (kind of).
So in short the answer is No. You're not.

Exactly what I thought because your opinions on the same sound simplistic to say the least, I’m sorry.

You for instance tend to believe the system of street arrangement tells the whole story of urban planning with nothing to add or remove. You do not realize that the street arrangement system is just the beginning. You can have two cities, both grid system but one is a monotonous stretch of boring, poorly designed buildings with almost zero tree cover and not allowance for recreation while another is better planned with recreation facilities, pedestrian walkways, schools, markets, residential buildings, parks, artificial lakes et al.

A good example of a boring grid system is your Kariakoo. Monotonous ugly buildings with almost zero tree cover. Perfect example on how not to build a city.

A good example of a well planned grid system is Barcelona. The city is a darling of urban planners. Within each grid is a garden and fountains and schools were integrated within the system. Each grid was chamfered to create octagonal shapes for better movement of traffic. Traffic movement is well controlled. Interestingly, when Eng. Ildefons Cerdà came up with the idea, it wasn’t well received and people actually fought it. It’s only in modern times that it’s being highly appreciated and Barcelona is one of the go to cities when planners want to write about how to build a city which contradicts your logic that the grid system is boring and outdated. Barcelona is always praised as an urban planning success story.

Barcelona
 
Si unaumwa watchman!🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Kata tiketi mapema, if you can, uje utazame fainali Nairobi
 
Tutaendelea kuwagonga sn sio tu kwenye national teams bali hata kwa ngazi ya clubs, tena kwenye clubs ndiyo msiguse kabisa tumewaacha mbali mnooooo. Football it's all about investment na sio story za jaba kama mnavyosemaga.
Kwenye rankings za FIFA wanaume na wanawake kote tumewazidi. 😂😂😂
 
I never said sprawl and and grid system is the same issue. In fact I categorically stated that they're not mutually exclusive with either street arrangement so I wonder why you are explaining to me exactly what I told you. I simply called you out on your aggrandizement of sprawl. You even praised car-oriented planning which is the butt of all jokes in modern urban planning. LAWD. You're an interesting one, agreeing with me but making it look like you are the genius that came up with the idea when initially you were arguing the opposite.
 
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