Why has Americans given Tundu Lissu a silent treatment?

[Clemence Mwandambo]

Success in Egypt without a procession in Canaan is a succession of eternal tears.

 

[phunter]

I am talking about American Boeing Planes not European Radar!!!! Americans and Europeans are different when it comes to business.Radar was not an American product it was a British product .You are the one who is empty headed

You lied ! In businesses no one like to tarnish their name in any means ! That's why most of serious business company practice about qualities!
So one foolish from ruling part in Tanzania is trying to fool the world that British are nothing !

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[tang'ana]

There the ones who have been donating for his treatments

hivi kwa nini usingeandika kiswahili tu mkuu?

 

[Chief Kabikula]

Kwa hiyo kwa akili yako unafikiri marekani kama wanamuunga mkono watakutangazia ,muda ukifika utajua .

 

[DrLove69]

To Americans they look at us Africans as a Bunch of Baboons run amok. Tundu Lissu is a joke to the majority of Americans, no wonder the outcome of his Tour is mediocre as it is due to lack of Substance.
Europe especially Belgium was the right platform for Tundu Lissu to "Tell his Tale". America was the WRONG move and a mistake that soon will be his wake up call to his early demise.
Time will tell.

 

[MTK]

You can rest with the head count and be liitle the impact! did you count how many people followed the online platforms both abroad and home to get to know what transpired. Lets be smart and comeout with effective counter measures of these matter lets not pretend it in not hurting us! Lest find ways of stopping this.

Come again! Please revisit the original thread to understand my rejoinder; what do you want to stop? The dance has just begun, mwanzo wa ngoma ni lele!!

 

[MTK]

not with triple tangues of lisu.every day has got new speculations on what was behind of his attack

lisu may mobolise stupidy people only not smarters

"Tangues, stupidy, smarters"!?!?! Of course Lissu doesnt need people of your type, low energy, non entities! Kalale

 

[Keynez]

he is black, he will remain one

he can be treated as a king only, if only Americans are 100% he is a next president and that they will benefit from him

otherwise americans are only focusing on getting their business done!..taking minerals, gas etc. Lisu is just an insect disturbing them in their lunch time

There you have it!

 

[Patriot]

Tundu Lissu's situation is a very sensitive matter, don't let others fool you into thinking that it is not. We are now walking in unchartered territory.

If Lissu was Chinese or Iranian, chances are high that he would've been received in Washington with a heroes welcome.

For a high profile politician like Lissu who just survived a serious attempt on his life to go to a high profile American university and be relegated to a mere classroom of hardly 30 people is a serious statement that some historian somewhere has noted down. Someone somewhere has also certainly appreciated that American gratitude! I can't help but to wonder what he is prepared to give them in return to show his appreciation.

To attentive eyes, Lissu's low key reception in Washington also reveals the importance of our stability to their interests.

Some of us, silent political analysts that is, have always been intrigued by the relationship between these two countries. I remember there is one thread I made years ago asking if this relationship is sort of Machiavellian. That is, two parties that don't really trust each other but have learned to use one another in a way that makes both parties happy but the mistrust is always there. There hasn't been a single person to expose this relationship for what it really is.

I am sure privately, American officials are expressing to Mr. Lissu how 'hurt' they are with his situation. They are probably trying not to cause any diplomatic rift with Tanzania, considering Tanzania had no problem kicking out the EU ambassador few months ago.

But to some of us their silence to this matter is not a mystery. Mr. Lissu has to promise them something bigger than they are receiving now from Tanzania if they are to say and do anything. Too bad the cold war is over and there is no Soviet Union to use as a bait against the Americans.

For some time, in my personal opinion I believe Lissu has been making some serious tactical and strategic mistakes. Now that he is caught between a rock and a hard place, it isn't going to be easier.

Lissu means well and he is certainly a very brave man. We should feel lucky to live in his lifetime and to witness the birth of a legend. If he can surround himself with very smart people, there is hope that history is going to favor him.

Mwalimu Nyerere once asked, "Watanzania, who is your uncle?" At the moment, it depends on which side on the current political climate you are on.

Those days of Wikileaks is when I learned what it needed whenever you try officially making a point to the American government. By the time you are discussing with American officials, they already know your stupidity, your love, your weakness, your sentiment inclination, etc.

Lissu is trying to address a wrong audience. The American officials already have everything in him. They know his lust, his strength and they can foresee his uselessness in the future just in case they have support for him.

 

[Benny Haraba]

hivi kwa nini usingeandika kiswahili tu mkuu?

Jamani ameandika kwa kimombo ndiyo maana nimejibu hivyo pole kwa kukukwaza

 

[Zakaria Lang'o]

United States of American has various means of approaching developing Nations.
USA can not jeopardize bilateral relationship with Tazanian government simply one MP from opposition party has been shouting SOS from foreign Western donor states to punish Magufuli Government.
They don't work like that,besides they are not angels.

You people are talking about the support from the American government to the cause. Your line of thinking is completely blurred.
I don't think if Lisu or anyone from Chadema wants that, simply because it's not necessary in achieving the required goal.
The fight against Tanzania government brutality against it's citizens need support of some of the powerful people from America, Europe and the world at large.
It's good that

the ugly tiger is being exposed by its true colors. Honorable Tundu Lisu is doing a blessed job. I thank God for Lisu's mission.

 

[lukoma]

Mwaka huu mtaandika mpaka Kisukuma humu JF, kama hana madhara hizi post zinazojaa humu kila muda za nini ? Mnaacha kupost hata mikutano ya polepole kutwa kucha mnamjibu TL, kawashika pabaya!

 

[ruby garnet]

United States of American has various means of approaching developing Nations.
USA can not jeopardize bilateral relationship with Tazanian government simply one MP from opposition party has been shouting SOS from foreign Western donor states to punish Magufuli Government.
They don't work like that,besides they are not angels.

Try to think about ACACIA issue, Gas and other natural resources. Is the way magufuli moving with American and western?. How much investment up to now magufuli destroyed?. Don't fool yourself their something wrong with magufuli administration and this will be the core source of Tundu Lissu to take over through American.

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[YEHODAYA]

You lied ! In businesses no one like to tarnish their name in any means ! That's why most of serious business company practice about qualities!
So one foolish from ruling part in Tanzania is trying to fool the world that British are nothing !

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You what I am saying is a fact. Chinese and Americans when it comes to business with Africa they are different from any European country be it Britain,Belgium , Germany or whatever.They are different.And when it comes to African Politics they are different also they are not like Europeans.That is an open fact not a secret.

 

[Zakaria Lang'o]

I am talking about American Boeing Planes not European Radar!!!! Americans and Europeans are different when it comes to business.Radar was not an American product it was a British product .You are the one who is empty headed

What exactly are you people talking about. That even if the Tanzania government violets the rights of its citizens, you are happy because no measures will be taken by anybody including the Americans. That Tundu Lisu and others are simply beating at a solid wall!!
That Americans only mind of what they receive from the other end!!?
The truth is: the free world has that opposite attitude from the Chinese and the likes. When it comes to human rights violation they always want to show the world how civilized they are.

 

[YEHODAYA]

Try to think about ACACIA issue, Gas and other natural resources. Is the way magufuli moving with American and western?. How much investment up to now magufuli destroyed?. Don't fool yourself their something wrong with magufuli administration and this will be the core source of Tundu Lissu to take over through American.

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What you don't know is a dark continent.Tanzania is with barrick the main shaholder and main investor in the gold mines.Accacia is not a main investor it is just a management company.You are not well informed.If their I'd a big problem is not between barrick and Tanzania government it is between Acacia the management company that was not fulfilling it's management duty to submit taxes etc on behalf of its principal Barrick gold the main investor.Lisu and Chadema were and are still with Acacia the management company not with Barrick the main shareholder for reasons he knows himself.Tanzania opened the Pandora box about Acacia.And Barrick gold took immeadiate steps.We don't have Major problems with Barrick Gold the problems we have is with Acacia the management company and their supporters the Tundu Lisu and chadema who stand with Acacia the management company and not Barick gold the main shareholder and Tanzania government.That question should be answered by Tundu Lisu and Chadema

 

[Keynez]

CCM bhana, nyie endeleeni na biashara yenu ya majungu, Lissu ni habari nyingine

Your judgment is wrong!

Too many people have been hurt and unjustly treated over the years in Tanzania. A lot of us have been hoping and praying that things will get better because we saw a risk the 'wrong person' is going to get hurt and he wouldn't go out silently.

 

[Crimea]

What you don't know is a dark continent.Tanzania is with barrick the main shaholder and main investor in the gold mines.Accacia is not a main investor it is just a management company.You are not well informed.If their I'd a big problem is not between barrick and Tanzania government it is between Acacia the management company that was not fulfilling it's management duty to submit taxes etc on behalf of its principal Barrick gold the main investor.Lisu and Chadema were and are still with Acacia the management company not with Barrick the main shareholder for reasons he knows himself.Tanzania opened the Pandora box about Acacia.And Barrick gold took immeadiate steps.We don't have Major problems with Barrick Gold the problems we have is with Acacia the management company and their supporters the Tundu Lisu and chadema who stand with Acacia the management company and not Barick gold the main shareholder and Tanzania government.That question should be answered by Tundu Lisu and Chadema

Na kwakuongezea katika haya maelezo yako mkuu, siku ile anahojiwa na mzungu wa bbc, lisu alitaka kusema Magufuli anafukuza wawekezaji ikiwemo accasia, yule mtangazaji akamkatisha kwamba anachotaka rais ni nchi inufaikae na huo uwekezaje, inakuwaje wewe unaonekana hupendi hili, basi Lisu akaanza kuongelea mambo ya uwanja chato na takataka nyingine.
Mtangazaji akaona huyu hajui anachoongelea.

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[jmushi1]

Tundu Lissu's situation is a very sensitive matter, don't let others fool you into thinking that it is not. We are now walking in unchartered territory.

If Lissu was Chinese or Iranian, chances are high that he would've been received in Washington with a heroes welcome.

For a high profile politician like Lissu who just survived a serious attempt on his life to go to a high profile American university and be relegated to a mere classroom of hardly 30 people is a serious statement that some historian somewhere has noted down. Someone somewhere has also certainly appreciated that American gratitude! I can't help but to wonder what he is prepared to give them in return to show his appreciation.

To attentive eyes, Lissu's low key reception in Washington also reveals the importance of our stability to their interests.

Some of us, silent political analysts that is, have always been intrigued by the relationship between these two countries. I remember there is one thread I made years ago asking if this relationship is sort of Machiavellian. That is, two parties that don't really trust each other but have learned to use one another in a way that makes both parties happy but the mistrust is always there. There hasn't been a single person to expose this relationship for what it really is.

I am sure privately, American officials are expressing to Mr. Lissu how 'hurt' they are with his situation. They are probably trying not to cause any diplomatic rift with Tanzania, considering Tanzania had no problem kicking out the EU ambassador few months ago.

But to some of us their silence to this matter is not a mystery. Mr. Lissu has to promise them something bigger than they are receiving now from Tanzania if they are to say and do anything. Too bad the cold war is over and there is no Soviet Union to use as a bait against the Americans.

For some time, in my personal opinion I believe Lissu has been making some serious tactical and strategic mistakes. Now that he is caught between a rock and a hard place, it isn't going to be easier.

Lissu means well and he is certainly a very brave man. We should feel lucky to live in his lifetime and to witness the birth of a legend. If he can surround himself with very smart people, there is hope that history is going to favor him.

Mwalimu Nyerere once asked, "Watanzania, who is your uncle?" At the moment, it depends on which side on the curr8ent political climate you are on.

Request to mods: Please change the title from 'silence treatment' to be 'silent treatment'

Kwahiyo pengine serikali ndo wasaliti wetu! Wahangaike nini na wanachokitaka wameshakipata?

 

[jogoo_dume]

Mkuu mbona zilipostiwa picha humu lissu akipokelewa na bo ge la nyomi la watu na magali? Pia alipiga picha na majamaa ya secret services yamevaa suti na miwani myeusi.