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mr. president budget ya 68.5 billion usd kwa russia ni kubwa sana economically and mathematically ni sawa tu na 3.9 trillion ya usa na hii ni kwa sababu russia hawa import arms kutoka nje na dollar ni kubwa kuliko rubles kwa hiyo chukua hiyo 68.9 dollars convert into rubles ambayo ndiyo inatumika nchini kwao, mfano mzuri ni gharama ya rd 180 rocket engine ambayo kwa sasa USA wameshindwa kuitengeneza na wanategemea kwa russia na na walijaribu miezi michache iliyopita kutumia engine ya kwao ambayo ina resemble na ya ruusia ikashindikana maana antares ili fail dakika chache baada ya ku launch
the rd 180 engine ina cost 10 million usd in russia to produce it na ita cost usa 1.5 billion usd+nearly a decade time to build it(do some calculations 1usd=51 rublesn kwa sasa),sasa jiulize 1.5 billion usd ni sawa na ruble ngapi?
68.3 billion dollars ni huge amount of money when it comes into rubles,na kwao russia wanatumia ruble manunuzi yao ya ndani ya kununua na kuunda silaha kwenye viwanda vyao,mr president kaa chini fanya hesabu vizuri urtajua hauhitaji kuwa mchumi hapo
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[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]JANNAF requires SIX flights for certification, see "Test and Evaluation Guideline for Liquid Rocket Engines" (http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a554916.pdf). Elon Musk had better learn how to read, or hire someone who can. Not knowing the rules = FAIL.
Craig D on 07/08/2014 at 01:43
[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]Craig D, The first and second stages for the three launches in question were the same. The first launch has already been accepted as meeting the criterion and the latter two are awaiting confirmation for certification.
Dragonet says: Only the payloads were changed to confuse the innocent.
Arnie T on 06/18/2014 at 13:52
[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]SpaceX has flown three rockets named the same thing, but in three different engine configurations. To the certification people, that is three different variants of the same rocket, to Elon Musk, it is enough to qualify his engine. Guess which of those two parties writes the certification rules?
Craig D on 06/17/2014 at 16:36
[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]By the tone of this article I cab tell that America is in worse shape than I thought. The reality is that the aerospace sector has become so bloated with overhead burden and risk adverse that they can no longer even make simple decisions with out a year of trade space studies. The RD-180 is and will continue to be a choke point between the two governments, although ULA may have better luck negotiating as a business with clear monetary direction than the US Gov/DoD.The Delta is a Boeing product but part of ULA. The article states that Delta production could not be ramped up quick enough to cover Atlas manifests. Why not, via license, allow Lockheed to coproduce Delta as a interim solution since so many feel the Atlas will effectively be phased out due to the RD-180 limitation. The real answer is to produce a new engine from scratch that is probably methane. It should be created by a new company set up from scratch to eliminate the overhead bloat of most defense contractors. The development should not be via normal FAR cost plus contracts where virtually everything is allowable and abused. Let young engineers loose to innovate with the expertise of older experts hired from other companies. Share the resulting design with the other companies for competitive pricing.
Thomas Hanley on 06/17/2014 at 15:31
[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]Todd Harrison offers what he thinks is SpaceX opinion and point of view. My question is, why was SpaceX not invited to express their own opinion, insight and perspective. Maybe they wouldn't join the conversation, but maybe they would. Also, I read Musk express his opinion that Falcon 9 v1.1 was expected to be certified by the end of this year (2014). 2017???
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the rd 180 engine ina cost 10 million usd in russia to produce it na ita cost usa 1.5 billion usd+nearly a decade time to build it(do some calculations 1usd=51 rublesn kwa sasa),sasa jiulize 1.5 billion usd ni sawa na ruble ngapi?
68.3 billion dollars ni huge amount of money when it comes into rubles,na kwao russia wanatumia ruble manunuzi yao ya ndani ya kununua na kuunda silaha kwenye viwanda vyao,mr president kaa chini fanya hesabu vizuri urtajua hauhitaji kuwa mchumi hapo
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[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]JANNAF requires SIX flights for certification, see "Test and Evaluation Guideline for Liquid Rocket Engines" (http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a554916.pdf). Elon Musk had better learn how to read, or hire someone who can. Not knowing the rules = FAIL.
Craig D on 07/08/2014 at 01:43
[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]Craig D, The first and second stages for the three launches in question were the same. The first launch has already been accepted as meeting the criterion and the latter two are awaiting confirmation for certification.
Dragonet says: Only the payloads were changed to confuse the innocent.
Arnie T on 06/18/2014 at 13:52
[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]SpaceX has flown three rockets named the same thing, but in three different engine configurations. To the certification people, that is three different variants of the same rocket, to Elon Musk, it is enough to qualify his engine. Guess which of those two parties writes the certification rules?
Craig D on 06/17/2014 at 16:36
[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]By the tone of this article I cab tell that America is in worse shape than I thought. The reality is that the aerospace sector has become so bloated with overhead burden and risk adverse that they can no longer even make simple decisions with out a year of trade space studies. The RD-180 is and will continue to be a choke point between the two governments, although ULA may have better luck negotiating as a business with clear monetary direction than the US Gov/DoD.The Delta is a Boeing product but part of ULA. The article states that Delta production could not be ramped up quick enough to cover Atlas manifests. Why not, via license, allow Lockheed to coproduce Delta as a interim solution since so many feel the Atlas will effectively be phased out due to the RD-180 limitation. The real answer is to produce a new engine from scratch that is probably methane. It should be created by a new company set up from scratch to eliminate the overhead bloat of most defense contractors. The development should not be via normal FAR cost plus contracts where virtually everything is allowable and abused. Let young engineers loose to innovate with the expertise of older experts hired from other companies. Share the resulting design with the other companies for competitive pricing.
Thomas Hanley on 06/17/2014 at 15:31
[h=3]Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated[/h]Todd Harrison offers what he thinks is SpaceX opinion and point of view. My question is, why was SpaceX not invited to express their own opinion, insight and perspective. Maybe they wouldn't join the conversation, but maybe they would. Also, I read Musk express his opinion that Falcon 9 v1.1 was expected to be certified by the end of this year (2014). 2017???
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Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
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By Stew Magnuson
The U.S. national security space community was left wondering this spring whether a Russian company would continue to supply it with engines needed to launch heavy payloads on its Atlas rockets.
At issue was the RD-180, a first-stage engine needed to power the Atlas V. The crisis in Ukraine sparked a series of tit-for-tat sanctions between Russia and the United States. A statement from senior Russian leadership that the nation would stop supplying the Russian-built engine to the United States for military purposes highlighted U.S. dependence on the engine for Atlas V launches.
Relying on Russian engines to launch satellites for our national security missions has always been bad policy, Rep. C. A. Dutch Ruppersberger, D-Md., and ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement.
Language in the fiscal year 2015 defense authorization bill would provide $220 million to kickstart domestic production of a new first-stage rocket engine, which would replace the RD-180.
That would only be a small down payment in an effort that would take several years and about $1.5 billion, experts interviewed said.
An engine as powerful as that is a fairly complex undertaking and there would be a lot of work involved, said Jeff Foust, senior analyst at Futron Corp., a Bethesda, Maryland-based consultancy firm, which specializes in space business.
Concerns about the RD-180 supply prior to the Ukraine crisis sparked the Pentagon to form the RD-180 study group to look at the options. Chaired by retired Air Force Maj. Gen. H. J. Mitch Mitchell, now head of the Aerospace Corp., and co-chaired by former NASA Administrator Michael Griffin, the board members concluded that impacts of an RD-180 loss are significant, and near term (fiscal year 2014 to fiscal year 2017) options to mitigate them are significant.
The report has not been released to the public, but a PowerPoint with its key conclusions was posted on the Scribd website.
The document goes into the history of how the U.S. space agencies found themselves in their current predicament. It goes back to the beginnings of the evolved expendable launch vehicle (EELV) program in the 1990s when the Air Force was funding Lockheed Martin and McDonnell Douglas which later merged with Boeing to produce a new generation of rockets. The Defense Department wanted competition for launch contracts and to produce more reliable rockets.
Lockheed Martin for its Atlas III and V rockets chose the RD-180, built by NPO Energomash, as its first-stage engine.
The reason was simple, said Foust. The engine was simply the best in the world. There is nothing like the RD-180 available from U.S. or other western companies. It really is a very high quality engine, he said.
There have been 50 consecutive successful launches since the RD-180 has been adopted through April 2014, the so-called Mitchell report noted. When an unsuccessful launch can mean losing a multi-billion dollar satellite and putting national security space programs back several years, the U.S. agencies place a high premium on reliability, Foust noted.
There was an added incentive to keep Russian engineers employed building these rockets for the U.S. market, and not supplying their know-how to North Korean or Iranian intercontinental ballistic missile programs, Foust said.
Meanwhile, United Launch Alliance, which offers Atlas V rockets for Air Force, National Reconnaissance Office and NASA payloads, has about two years of RD-180 engines in its stockpile.
The current launch manifest and way of procuring rockets from Russia is the best value, the Mitchell report said. Any changes will cost taxpayers more money, it said.
The Atlas V comprises 56 percent of the launch manifest through fiscal year 2020, it noted.
Foust said there will have to be a lot of rejiggering of the manifest if Russia were to cut off sales and the stockpile ran out. The Delta IV, which was produced for the EELV program by McDonnell Douglas/Boeing, can loft heavy payloads to orbit. It is even capable of launching heavier payloads than the Atlas. It is not as reliable as the Atlas V, and costs more, he added.
The question is: What would they do if the RD-180 supply is interrupted? Foust asked. Who would have priority and for what missions?
The deal to buy RD-180 rockets included a license to co-produce them domestically, Foust noted. But that never happened.
The Mitchell report details a series of waivers and policy changes that resulted in the domestic version of the engine being pushed back indefinitely.
The high cost and time involved in doing it, and the fact that the engines were readily available and relatively inexpensive, kept pushing back those plans, Foust said.
One option is to go through with co-production. The license is valid until 2022, he noted.
Todd Harrison, senior fellow with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, said that isnt a viable alternative.
That option may be kind of dead because we would spend five years using the license learning how to make the engines. So that would be 2019 at the earliest, and it would likely take a little longer, he said in an interview. After the license expired, we would be at the mercy of the Russians again.
The next option is to ramp up the development and production of a completely new engine, a proposal that has some support in Congress, despite the time and money it would entail.
Ruppersberger said: Congress must act immediately to fund a plan that encourages American innovation to finally break us of our reliance on Russian engines.
The House Armed Services Committee in early May amended the 2015 National Defense Authorization Act with language that would start some kind of replacement program.
The Secretary of Defense shall develop a next-generation liquid rocket engine that enables the effective, efficient and expedient transition from the use of non-allied space launch engines to a domestic alternative for national security space launches, the bill stated. It has not gone to appropriators, nor has similar language been introduced in the Senate.
Lawmakers and experts interviewed are confident that U.S. industry could produce its own engine. How long it would take, and how much money would be needed is up for debate.
Gen. William Shelton, Air Force Space Command commander, told reporters at the Space Symposium in Colorado Springs in May that there have been several estimates on that. One has been that it would take five years; one that it would take as much as eight years. I think we dont really know that until we get into the work to see how much of a technological challenge it will be.
As for NASA, all of ULAs efforts to certify a rocket for human spaceflight has centered on the Atlas V. The agency would have to start all over again with the Delta IV, which would involve a fair amount of engineering work, Foust said.
Harrison said there are three options: use the license to produce a domestic co-produced RD-180, begin work on a new rocket or let the situation play itself out.
We could take the risk of still relying on the Russian engine and maybe they sell it to us and maybe they dont. That doesnt cost anything extra except risk, he added.
Both co-production and new-start options are costly. Numbers being bandied about say five years and $1.2 billion, Foust said.
Harrison said it wouldnt be all that much more to choose the new start option over using the license. There is risk in trying to replicate and build the same engine. We might not be able to do it.
As for a new start, it might only be another $300 million, he said. And then we would have use of that new motor indefinitely.
Shelton said he brought up the funding issue to lawmakers.
When I expressed that reservation to Congress they said, You dont worry about that. You tell us what you need and well worry about the money, So my response to that was, Yes, sir.
Julie Van Kleeck, vice president of advanced space and launch propulsion at rocket manufacturer Aerojet Rocketdyne, said her company has studied the issue extensively and concluded that it could begin producing an RD-180 replacement in less than four years and for about $1 billion.
There are other people with other opinions, she told National Defense. Our numbers are based on a very sound database of both historical data as well as analytical models that help us predict what these things will cost.
Its important to remember that the development wouldnt start from a clean sheet, she noted. The Air Force and NASA over the past decade have funded research-and-development looking at new rocket engine processes and technologies. The two companies, which merged last year, have also spent their own internal R&D funding over the years.
The technology, I think for the most part, is on hand. There arent technological breakthroughs required. From our perspective, its an engineering problem, she said.
Those numbers would depend on a steady stream of funding from Congress. Funding constraints may force a different length of time, she noted.
The trickiest part will be combustion, where the liquid fuel is transformed into hot gas, she said. There will have to be robust designs in place before the program gets started, she said.
It would also have to be decided how much new emerging processes, such as additive manufacturing, will be a part of the program. Those can make the engine more affordable, but there is some risk integrating them into a new program, she added.
Foust said estimates of how long the program will take and how much it will cost must be taken with a grain of salt. As is often the case with aerospace programs in general, you may have an initial schedule and budget estimate, but you may exceed both during the course of the program itself.
Harrison agreed: the first cost and schedule estimates are routinely exceeded.
It will almost always cost more and take longer, he said.
Realistically, a new engine may take six to seven years and cost around $2 billion, he said.
The Mitchell report said a new launch vehicle could be certified by 2023.
These are long-term solutions to a near- and medium-term problem the Mitchell report said. The Delta program cannot ramp up production in time to take up the slack, it said. Using up the RD-180 stockpile with no replacement will result in nine missions being delayed at an average of two years. There would have to be discussions on how to prioritize missions among the Defense Department, the NRO, NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and ULAs commercial customers.
Major perturbations require interagency discussions, the report said.
The Delta backlog would not be cleared up until fiscal year 2019, the report said.
Another factor is the rise of billionaire Elon Musks SpaceX, which is seeking to certify its new Falcon 9 rocket and then its Falcon Heavy version.
Harrison said the Air Force could try to speed up qualification of SpaceXs vehicle and maybe other launch vehicles they would like to get into the market.
The report, which identifies SpaceX as the new entrant, said it did not expect it to be certified until 2017. The current schedule to do so by 2015 is aggressive, it said.
The study group made several recommendations to mitigate the rocket engine shortfalls, but ultimately suggested that it move forward with a new engine.
Regardless of RD-180 viability, [the] U.S. needs to develop a domestic engine, the PowerPoint stated.
Harrison said the industrial capacity and capability to make an engine as reliable as the RD-180 exists in the United States. He didnt think SpaceX would want to jump in. It would prefer to compete for the entire launch contract rather than one component, he said.
Van Kleeck said a new program would come at a perfect time. Baby boomer engineers are retiring, and a new generation is replacing them. This would be a good opportunity for them to pass on their knowledge to a new generation.
To actually go through a rocket engine development is a different set of processes and experience, she said. A new-start engine would accelerate the learning and development of the next generation, she added.
Shelton said: Personal opinion. I would love to see us produce an engine. If you look at our history, when is the last time we produced an engine? It has been a long time. So our industrial base has kind of withered a bit.
Photo Credit: Aerojet Rocketdyne
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Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
JANNAF requires SIX flights for certification, see "Test and Evaluation Guideline for Liquid Rocket Engines" (http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a554916.pdf). Elon Musk had better learn how to read, or hire someone who can. Not knowing the rules = FAIL.
Craig D on 07/08/2014 at 01:43
Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
Craig D, The first and second stages for the three launches in question were the same. The first launch has already been accepted as meeting the criterion and the latter two are awaiting confirmation for certification.
Dragonet says: Only the payloads were changed to confuse the innocent.
Arnie T on 06/18/2014 at 13:52
Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
SpaceX has flown three rockets named the same thing, but in three different engine configurations. To the certification people, that is three different variants of the same rocket, to Elon Musk, it is enough to qualify his engine. Guess which of those two parties writes the certification rules?
Craig D on 06/17/2014 at 16:36
Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
By the tone of this article I cab tell that America is in worse shape than I thought. The reality is that the aerospace sector has become so bloated with overhead burden and risk adverse that they can no longer even make simple decisions with out a year of trade space studies. The RD-180 is and will continue to be a choke point between the two governments, although ULA may have better luck negotiating as a business with clear monetary direction than the US Gov/DoD.The Delta is a Boeing product but part of ULA. The article states that Delta production could not be ramped up quick enough to cover Atlas manifests. Why not, via license, allow Lockheed to coproduce Delta as a interim solution since so many feel the Atlas will effectively be phased out due to the RD-180 limitation. The real answer is to produce a new engine from scratch that is probably methane. It should be created by a new company set up from scratch to eliminate the overhead bloat of most defense contractors. The development should not be via normal FAR cost plus contracts where virtually everything is allowable and abused. Let young engineers loose to innovate with the expertise of older experts hired from other companies. Share the resulting design with the other companies for competitive pricing.
Thomas Hanley on 06/17/2014 at 15:31
Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
Todd Harrison offers what he thinks is SpaceX opinion and point of view. My question is, why was SpaceX not invited to express their own opinion, insight and perspective. Maybe they wouldn't join the conversation, but maybe they would. Also, I read Musk express his opinion that Falcon 9 v1.1 was expected to be certified by the end of this year (2014). 2017???
Arnie T on 06/17/2014 at 15:17
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Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
July 2014
By Stew Magnuson
At issue was the RD-180, a first-stage engine needed to power the Atlas V. The crisis in Ukraine sparked a series of tit-for-tat sanctions between Russia and the United States. A statement from senior Russian leadership that the nation would stop supplying the Russian-built engine to the United States for military purposes highlighted U.S. dependence on the engine for Atlas V launches.
Relying on Russian engines to launch satellites for our national security missions has always been bad policy, Rep. C. A. Dutch Ruppersberger, D-Md., and ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement.
Language in the fiscal year 2015 defense authorization bill would provide $220 million to kickstart domestic production of a new first-stage rocket engine, which would replace the RD-180.
That would only be a small down payment in an effort that would take several years and about $1.5 billion, experts interviewed said.
An engine as powerful as that is a fairly complex undertaking and there would be a lot of work involved, said Jeff Foust, senior analyst at Futron Corp., a Bethesda, Maryland-based consultancy firm, which specializes in space business.
Concerns about the RD-180 supply prior to the Ukraine crisis sparked the Pentagon to form the RD-180 study group to look at the options. Chaired by retired Air Force Maj. Gen. H. J. Mitch Mitchell, now head of the Aerospace Corp., and co-chaired by former NASA Administrator Michael Griffin, the board members concluded that impacts of an RD-180 loss are significant, and near term (fiscal year 2014 to fiscal year 2017) options to mitigate them are significant.
The report has not been released to the public, but a PowerPoint with its key conclusions was posted on the Scribd website.
The document goes into the history of how the U.S. space agencies found themselves in their current predicament. It goes back to the beginnings of the evolved expendable launch vehicle (EELV) program in the 1990s when the Air Force was funding Lockheed Martin and McDonnell Douglas which later merged with Boeing to produce a new generation of rockets. The Defense Department wanted competition for launch contracts and to produce more reliable rockets.
Lockheed Martin for its Atlas III and V rockets chose the RD-180, built by NPO Energomash, as its first-stage engine.
The reason was simple, said Foust. The engine was simply the best in the world. There is nothing like the RD-180 available from U.S. or other western companies. It really is a very high quality engine, he said.
There have been 50 consecutive successful launches since the RD-180 has been adopted through April 2014, the so-called Mitchell report noted. When an unsuccessful launch can mean losing a multi-billion dollar satellite and putting national security space programs back several years, the U.S. agencies place a high premium on reliability, Foust noted.
There was an added incentive to keep Russian engineers employed building these rockets for the U.S. market, and not supplying their know-how to North Korean or Iranian intercontinental ballistic missile programs, Foust said.
Meanwhile, United Launch Alliance, which offers Atlas V rockets for Air Force, National Reconnaissance Office and NASA payloads, has about two years of RD-180 engines in its stockpile.
The current launch manifest and way of procuring rockets from Russia is the best value, the Mitchell report said. Any changes will cost taxpayers more money, it said.
The Atlas V comprises 56 percent of the launch manifest through fiscal year 2020, it noted.
Foust said there will have to be a lot of rejiggering of the manifest if Russia were to cut off sales and the stockpile ran out. The Delta IV, which was produced for the EELV program by McDonnell Douglas/Boeing, can loft heavy payloads to orbit. It is even capable of launching heavier payloads than the Atlas. It is not as reliable as the Atlas V, and costs more, he added.
The question is: What would they do if the RD-180 supply is interrupted? Foust asked. Who would have priority and for what missions?
The deal to buy RD-180 rockets included a license to co-produce them domestically, Foust noted. But that never happened.
The Mitchell report details a series of waivers and policy changes that resulted in the domestic version of the engine being pushed back indefinitely.
The high cost and time involved in doing it, and the fact that the engines were readily available and relatively inexpensive, kept pushing back those plans, Foust said.
One option is to go through with co-production. The license is valid until 2022, he noted.
Todd Harrison, senior fellow with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, said that isnt a viable alternative.
That option may be kind of dead because we would spend five years using the license learning how to make the engines. So that would be 2019 at the earliest, and it would likely take a little longer, he said in an interview. After the license expired, we would be at the mercy of the Russians again.
The next option is to ramp up the development and production of a completely new engine, a proposal that has some support in Congress, despite the time and money it would entail.
Ruppersberger said: Congress must act immediately to fund a plan that encourages American innovation to finally break us of our reliance on Russian engines.
The House Armed Services Committee in early May amended the 2015 National Defense Authorization Act with language that would start some kind of replacement program.
The Secretary of Defense shall develop a next-generation liquid rocket engine that enables the effective, efficient and expedient transition from the use of non-allied space launch engines to a domestic alternative for national security space launches, the bill stated. It has not gone to appropriators, nor has similar language been introduced in the Senate.
Lawmakers and experts interviewed are confident that U.S. industry could produce its own engine. How long it would take, and how much money would be needed is up for debate.
Gen. William Shelton, Air Force Space Command commander, told reporters at the Space Symposium in Colorado Springs in May that there have been several estimates on that. One has been that it would take five years; one that it would take as much as eight years. I think we dont really know that until we get into the work to see how much of a technological challenge it will be.
As for NASA, all of ULAs efforts to certify a rocket for human spaceflight has centered on the Atlas V. The agency would have to start all over again with the Delta IV, which would involve a fair amount of engineering work, Foust said.
Harrison said there are three options: use the license to produce a domestic co-produced RD-180, begin work on a new rocket or let the situation play itself out.
We could take the risk of still relying on the Russian engine and maybe they sell it to us and maybe they dont. That doesnt cost anything extra except risk, he added.
Both co-production and new-start options are costly. Numbers being bandied about say five years and $1.2 billion, Foust said.
Harrison said it wouldnt be all that much more to choose the new start option over using the license. There is risk in trying to replicate and build the same engine. We might not be able to do it.
As for a new start, it might only be another $300 million, he said. And then we would have use of that new motor indefinitely.
Shelton said he brought up the funding issue to lawmakers.
When I expressed that reservation to Congress they said, You dont worry about that. You tell us what you need and well worry about the money, So my response to that was, Yes, sir.
Julie Van Kleeck, vice president of advanced space and launch propulsion at rocket manufacturer Aerojet Rocketdyne, said her company has studied the issue extensively and concluded that it could begin producing an RD-180 replacement in less than four years and for about $1 billion.
There are other people with other opinions, she told National Defense. Our numbers are based on a very sound database of both historical data as well as analytical models that help us predict what these things will cost.
Its important to remember that the development wouldnt start from a clean sheet, she noted. The Air Force and NASA over the past decade have funded research-and-development looking at new rocket engine processes and technologies. The two companies, which merged last year, have also spent their own internal R&D funding over the years.
The technology, I think for the most part, is on hand. There arent technological breakthroughs required. From our perspective, its an engineering problem, she said.
Those numbers would depend on a steady stream of funding from Congress. Funding constraints may force a different length of time, she noted.
The trickiest part will be combustion, where the liquid fuel is transformed into hot gas, she said. There will have to be robust designs in place before the program gets started, she said.
It would also have to be decided how much new emerging processes, such as additive manufacturing, will be a part of the program. Those can make the engine more affordable, but there is some risk integrating them into a new program, she added.
Foust said estimates of how long the program will take and how much it will cost must be taken with a grain of salt. As is often the case with aerospace programs in general, you may have an initial schedule and budget estimate, but you may exceed both during the course of the program itself.
Harrison agreed: the first cost and schedule estimates are routinely exceeded.
It will almost always cost more and take longer, he said.
Realistically, a new engine may take six to seven years and cost around $2 billion, he said.
The Mitchell report said a new launch vehicle could be certified by 2023.
These are long-term solutions to a near- and medium-term problem the Mitchell report said. The Delta program cannot ramp up production in time to take up the slack, it said. Using up the RD-180 stockpile with no replacement will result in nine missions being delayed at an average of two years. There would have to be discussions on how to prioritize missions among the Defense Department, the NRO, NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and ULAs commercial customers.
Major perturbations require interagency discussions, the report said.
The Delta backlog would not be cleared up until fiscal year 2019, the report said.
Another factor is the rise of billionaire Elon Musks SpaceX, which is seeking to certify its new Falcon 9 rocket and then its Falcon Heavy version.
Harrison said the Air Force could try to speed up qualification of SpaceXs vehicle and maybe other launch vehicles they would like to get into the market.
The report, which identifies SpaceX as the new entrant, said it did not expect it to be certified until 2017. The current schedule to do so by 2015 is aggressive, it said.
The study group made several recommendations to mitigate the rocket engine shortfalls, but ultimately suggested that it move forward with a new engine.
Regardless of RD-180 viability, [the] U.S. needs to develop a domestic engine, the PowerPoint stated.
Harrison said the industrial capacity and capability to make an engine as reliable as the RD-180 exists in the United States. He didnt think SpaceX would want to jump in. It would prefer to compete for the entire launch contract rather than one component, he said.
Van Kleeck said a new program would come at a perfect time. Baby boomer engineers are retiring, and a new generation is replacing them. This would be a good opportunity for them to pass on their knowledge to a new generation.
To actually go through a rocket engine development is a different set of processes and experience, she said. A new-start engine would accelerate the learning and development of the next generation, she added.
Shelton said: Personal opinion. I would love to see us produce an engine. If you look at our history, when is the last time we produced an engine? It has been a long time. So our industrial base has kind of withered a bit.
Photo Credit: Aerojet Rocketdyne
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Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
JANNAF requires SIX flights for certification, see "Test and Evaluation Guideline for Liquid Rocket Engines" (http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a554916.pdf). Elon Musk had better learn how to read, or hire someone who can. Not knowing the rules = FAIL.
Craig D on 07/08/2014 at 01:43
Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
Craig D, The first and second stages for the three launches in question were the same. The first launch has already been accepted as meeting the criterion and the latter two are awaiting confirmation for certification.
Dragonet says: Only the payloads were changed to confuse the innocent.
Arnie T on 06/18/2014 at 13:52
Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
SpaceX has flown three rockets named the same thing, but in three different engine configurations. To the certification people, that is three different variants of the same rocket, to Elon Musk, it is enough to qualify his engine. Guess which of those two parties writes the certification rules?
Craig D on 06/17/2014 at 16:36
Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
By the tone of this article I cab tell that America is in worse shape than I thought. The reality is that the aerospace sector has become so bloated with overhead burden and risk adverse that they can no longer even make simple decisions with out a year of trade space studies. The RD-180 is and will continue to be a choke point between the two governments, although ULA may have better luck negotiating as a business with clear monetary direction than the US Gov/DoD.The Delta is a Boeing product but part of ULA. The article states that Delta production could not be ramped up quick enough to cover Atlas manifests. Why not, via license, allow Lockheed to coproduce Delta as a interim solution since so many feel the Atlas will effectively be phased out due to the RD-180 limitation. The real answer is to produce a new engine from scratch that is probably methane. It should be created by a new company set up from scratch to eliminate the overhead bloat of most defense contractors. The development should not be via normal FAR cost plus contracts where virtually everything is allowable and abused. Let young engineers loose to innovate with the expertise of older experts hired from other companies. Share the resulting design with the other companies for competitive pricing.
Thomas Hanley on 06/17/2014 at 15:31
Re: Costs, Benefits of RD-180 Rocket Engine Replacement Program Debated
Todd Harrison offers what he thinks is SpaceX opinion and point of view. My question is, why was SpaceX not invited to express their own opinion, insight and perspective. Maybe they wouldn't join the conversation, but maybe they would. Also, I read Musk express his opinion that Falcon 9 v1.1 was expected to be certified by the end of this year (2014). 2017???
Arnie T on 06/17/2014 at 15:17
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Huyo Mkuu niliona comment yake ... jibu lake ninalo nilikuwa busy tu nkashindwa kumjibu - ila ntamjibu tu
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Sasa hayo mapicha yako ndo nini?
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Je, Warusi nao walipigwa huko Afghanistan hadi wakakimbia?
Hapana chezea Mujahedin bana.....teh teh teh....
Mrusi alilambishwa sakafu hadi akaomba po teh teh teh....
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"Haya mapicha yangu" kama unavyoyaita yanamaanisha Failure of American Imperialism! and Chaotic Withdrawal ya US troops pamoja na supporters (vibaraka wao) kutoka Vietnam!
Ina maanisha US baada ya kipigo walichopata huko Vietnam ... wanakimbia!
Kama ingekuwa US angekuwa ameshinda vita ya Vietnam asingelikimbia mji wakati vikosi vya North Vietnam vinaingia mjini Saigon!
US wakakimbiza watu wao, watu wakavamia ubalozi wakitaka muwaokoe vibaraka wenu! - hata sehemu ya kupaki helicopter mlikosa ikabidi helicopter itue juu ya nyumba (paa) ya ubalozi!
Kwenye meli zenu za US zimejaa mpaka mmekosa sehemu ya kuweka watu ikabidi mtupe / mzitose helicopter nyingine baharini ili kupata sehemu ya kuwaweka vibaraka wenu wa South Vietnam.
US waliomba peace baada ya kushindwa vita ili wafanye orderly withdrawal, North Vietnam wakakataa - wakasema kuwa hawana muda wa kuongea peace na Marekani ila kwa usalama wenu ni lazima vikosi vyote vya US viwe vimeondoka katika ardhi ya Vietnam haraka! - US yeyote atakaekutwa Saigon atauwawa!
Ndio maana US walikimbia mkautelekeza Ubalozi wenu wa US mjini Saigon ambayo leo mji umebadilishwa jina unaitwa Ho Chin Min City (ambalo ndio jina la Kiongozi wao aliewafurumusha US kutoka Vietnam!
Sasa hii ndio maana ya hayo mapicha! wewe si unasema eti Marekani ilishinda Vietnam?! - sasa mlikuwa mnakimbia nini? - mngengoja tu wawakute hapo kwenye hiyo nyumba au bandarini!
Anyway, through haya mapicha usiyoyapenda ... let me ... Refresh your memory!
On April 30, 1975, North Vietnamese tanks(link)rolled into the South Vietnamese capital of Saigon, marking the end of a decades-long conflict that left millions dead.
With North Vietnamese troops approaching Saigon, now known as Ho Chi Minh, the U.S. scrambled to pull back its last personnel in the city.
The photos below show frantic scenes as the U.S. attempted to evacuate thousands of government personnel, civilians and South Vietnamese residents.
A U.S. Marine helicopter takes off from the American Embassy in Saigon on April 30, 1975. (AP Photo/Phu)
Evacuees board a boat in the Saigon waterfront as communist forces from North Vietnam close in on the city. (AP Photo/Matt Franjola)
On April 29, 1975, one day before the fall of South Vietnam, members of the U.S. Navy push a helicopter off a U.S. command ship and into the sea. The helicopter was discarded in order to make room for more evacuation flights out of Saigon. (AP Photo/File)
On May 1, 1975, a large pile of U.S.-made rifles abandoned by pro-American Southern Vietnamese army soldiers sit on the ground at a commune in the southern province of Can Tho. (AFP/Getty Images)
On April 29, 1975, a South Vietnamese mother and her children prepare to board a U.S. helicopter to leave Vietnam. (AP Photo/File)
Saigon residents take to the street to welcome the arrival of communist troops on April 30, 1975. (AFP/Getty Images)
North Vietnamese soldiers sit on top of a tank posted in front of the presidential palace of the U.S.-backed regime as hundreds of Saigon residents gather around, April 30, 1975. (AFP/Getty Images)
A North Vietnamese soldier perches on a tank in Saigon. (AFP/Getty Images)!
Sasa US mlikuwa mnakimbia nini kama mlikuwa mlishinda vita?! ... chaotic withdrawal ilikuwa ya nini?
Alafu unakuja hapa unataka kudanganya watu eti US walishinda Vietnam?! - Lol! .. wadanganye wengine wasiojua!
Chaotic withdraw of US Imperialism baada ya askari wenu wa US 53,000 kufa, ndege 10,000 kutunguliwa! - hasara kubwa sana!
Sasa Nyani Ngabu more than 3 million people, including 58,000 Americans, were killed in the conflict.... what for?! ... was it worth it?!
Read More
. 8 Historic Photos That Capture The Chaotic U.S. Withdrawal From Saigon
. Old Picz | The Fall of Saigon, 1975
. Vietnamese refugee describes monumental ‘Fall of Saigon’ - Port Arthur News Online: Local News
. The Fall of Saigon: Lessons for Today From the End of the Vietnam War
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cc: Bukyanagandi.Elungata mng'ato Extraterrestrial Gagnija JustDoItNow Bongolander 2013 sodoliki mnyikungu MALCOM LUMUMBA Maziku Masunga Jr. Consigliere Chasha Poultry Farm Red Giant Kimweri Aleyn kui Ngongo mnyikungu Viva89 GAUTAMA PTER RealMan FaizaFoxy SirChief Maswala 1954 PHILE1879 kui 2013 The mountain lion Phillemon Mikael Mr ceragem Ndahani Kimweri Red Giant yonga Bill Cosby Aleyn Bulldog MBULAMATALI Mr. President ze kokuyo Chasha Poultry Farm Ngaramtoni Pianist gwijimimi Dragoon Noel 2014 Mdau TUJITEGEMEE
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"Haya mapicha yangu" kama unavyoyaita yanamaanisha Failure of American Imperialism! and Chaotic Withdrawal ya US troops pamoja na supporters (vibaraka wao) kutoka Vietnam!
Ina maanisha US baada ya kipigo walichopata huko Vietnam ... wanakimbia!
Kama ingekuwa US angekuwa ameshinda vita ya Vietnam asingelikimbia mji wakati vikosi vya North Vietnam vinaingia mjini Saigon!
US wakakimbiza watu wao, watu wakavamia ubalozi wakitaka muwaokoe vibaraka wenu! - hata sehemu ya kupaki helicopter mlikosa ikabidi helicopter itue juu ya nyumba (paa) ya ubalozi!
Kwenye meli zenu za US zimejaa mpaka mmekosa sehemu ya kuweka watu ikabidi mtupe / mzitose helicopter nyingine baharini ili kupata sehemu ya kuwaweka vibaraka wenu wa South Vietnam.
US waliomba peace baada ya kushindwa vita ili wafanye orderly withdrawal, North Vietnam wakakataa - wakasema kuwa hawana muda wa kuongea peace na Marekani ila kwa usalama wenu ni lazima vikosi vyote vya US viwe vimeondoka katika ardhi ya Vietnam haraka! - US yeyote atakaekutwa Saigon atauwawa!
Ndio maana US walikimbia mkautelekeza Ubalozi wenu wa US mjini Saigon ambayo leo mji umebadilishwa jina unaitwa Ho Chin Min City (ambalo ndio jina la Kiongozi wao aliewafurumusha US kutoka Vietnam!
Sasa hii ndio maana ya hayo mapicha! wewe si unasema eti Marekani ilishinda Vietnam?! - sasa mlikuwa mnakimbia nini? - mngengoja tu wawakute hapo kwenye hiyo nyumba au bandarini!
Anyway, through haya mapicha usiyoyapenda ... let me ... Refresh your memory!
On April 30, 1975, North Vietnamese tanks(link)rolled into the South Vietnamese capital of Saigon, marking the end of a decades-long conflict that left millions dead.
With North Vietnamese troops approaching Saigon, now known as Ho Chi Minh, the U.S. scrambled to pull back its last personnel in the city.
The photos below show frantic scenes as the U.S. attempted to evacuate thousands of government personnel, civilians and South Vietnamese residents.
A U.S. Marine helicopter takes off from the American Embassy in Saigon on April 30, 1975. (AP Photo/Phu)
Evacuees board a boat in the Saigon waterfront as communist forces from North Vietnam close in on the city. (AP Photo/Matt Franjola)
On April 29, 1975, one day before the fall of South Vietnam, members of the U.S. Navy push a helicopter off a U.S. command ship and into the sea. The helicopter was discarded in order to make room for more evacuation flights out of Saigon. (AP Photo/File)
On May 1, 1975, a large pile of U.S.-made rifles abandoned by pro-American Southern Vietnamese army soldiers sit on the ground at a commune in the southern province of Can Tho. (AFP/Getty Images)
On April 29, 1975, a South Vietnamese mother and her children prepare to board a U.S. helicopter to leave Vietnam. (AP Photo/File)
Saigon residents take to the street to welcome the arrival of communist troops on April 30, 1975. (AFP/Getty Images)
North Vietnamese soldiers sit on top of a tank posted in front of the presidential palace of the U.S.-backed regime as hundreds of Saigon residents gather around, April 30, 1975. (AFP/Getty Images)
A North Vietnamese soldier perches on a tank in Saigon. (AFP/Getty Images)!
Sasa US mlikuwa mnakimbia nini kama mlikuwa mlishinda vita?! ... chaotic withdrawal ilikuwa ya nini?
Alafu unakuja hapa unataka kudanganya watu eti US walishinda Vietnam?! - Lol! .. wadanganye wengine wasiojua!
Chaotic withdraw of US Imperialism baada ya askari wenu wa US 53,000 kufa, ndege 10,000 kutunguliwa! - hasara kubwa sana!
Sasa Nyani Ngabu more than 3 million people, including 58,000 Americans, were killed in the conflict.... what for?! ... was it worth it?!
Read More
. 8 Historic Photos That Capture The Chaotic U.S. Withdrawal From Saigon
. Old Picz | The Fall of Saigon, 1975
. Vietnamese refugee describes monumental ‘Fall of Saigon’ - Port Arthur News Online: Local News
. The Fall of Saigon: Lessons for Today From the End of the Vietnam War
.
cc: Bukyanagandi.Elungata mng'ato Extraterrestrial Gagnija JustDoItNow Bongolander 2013 sodoliki mnyikungu MALCOM LUMUMBA Maziku Masunga Jr. Consigliere Chasha Poultry Farm Red Giant Kimweri Aleyn kui Ngongo mnyikungu Viva89 GAUTAMA PTER RealMan FaizaFoxy SirChief Maswala 1954 PHILE1879 kui 2013 The mountain lion Phillemon Mikael Mr ceragem Ndahani Kimweri Red Giant yonga Bill Cosby Aleyn Bulldog MBULAMATALI Mr. President ze kokuyo Chasha Poultry Farm Ngaramtoni Pianist gwijimimi Dragoon Noel 2014 Mdau TUJITEGEMEE
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Netiquette 101: Tafadhali tumia tu fonts za kawaida. Hakuna haja ya kuchanganya changanya marangi mara sijui bold na hayo mazagazaga mengine.
Nadhani utaeleweka vizuri tu bila kuchanganya.
Wengine tunakuwa turned off na hivyo kuamua kupotezea mambo mengine.
Ili tuwe na mjadala wa kiutu uzima jaribu kuandika kawaida tu.
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Anhaa!
I got you exactly where I want you.
I mentioned earlier that the growing opposition to the war in America is what made America get out of the war.
The American body politic grew tired of the conflict and eventually lacked the political will to continue the war.
Mind you, when the war was in full swing, civil rights activism was also in full swing and a lot of questions were being asked as to why America would spend so much money on a war half way around the world but it can't use that money on its own citizens condemned to living a life of grinding poverty.
I even uploaded a YouTube video of Martin Luther King Jr's speech explaining his reasons for his opposition to the war. Did you even bother to listen to it?
At the end of the day America wised up to the fact that it was a worthless war. What was in it for them to get involved to begin with?
It's not like Vietnam had attacked mainland USA.
Yes, 50 thousand plus American GIs died but by the same token, millions of Vietnamese died let alone the destruction of infrastructure and other things of that nature.
Now, any human death is a tragedy to some degree, but, in the context of war I'll take 50K deaths over millions of deaths on any given day.
50K is a drop in the bucket compared 3 million plus.
America got out of the Vietnam conflict the same way the Soviet Union got out of Afghanistan.
And I guarantee you some of your fan-boys and gals in here don't even know that the Soviets were mired in the Afghan conflict for a decade.
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Mkubwa kuna kitu kimoja ambacho watu hawataki kukubali. Kuna member mmoja amesema having the Best Camera does not make you best Cameraman. Unaweza kuwa na state of the art weaponry, lakini mjinga mjinga akakushinda.
Kilichotokea Vietnam si kwamba Marekani walishindwa labda walilazimika kushindwa hasa kutokana na ukweli kuwa it was a bit of senseless war. Ilifikia mahali wawaka wana-commit war crimes. Kuna testimonial moja alitoa John Kerry baada ya kutoka vitani Vietnam ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucY7JOfg6G4), ni kwamba ilifikia wakati ikawa na sawa mtu mwenye manati anapambana na mwenye AK 47, wamarekani walikasirshwa baada ya kujua their were using a baseball bat to swat a fly...that was not a balanced war at all. Ukisikia anachosema John Kerry ambaye alikuwa officer Vietnam utajua ukweli halisi na sio porojo za kishabiki.
Anachosema John Kerry ni kuwa uongo mwingi unasemwa kwenye vyombo vya habari kuliko ukweli. Angalia vita ya Korea ya 50s utajua jinsi gani wamarekani walipata kichapo just look at the casualities 36K, au angalia ni wanajeshi waliouawa Vietnam 36K, pia angalia wanajeshi wapi waliouawa kwa wingi Iraq, American solders or iraqi soldiers (najua kuwa civilians wengi waliuawa Iraq)...unaweza kujiuliza neno conventional lina maana gani.
Kama kweli kuna mtu anabisha kuwa Stealth Bomber haikutunguliwa Belgrade, itakuwa ajabu sana. It is open secret, and Serbs once said ...sorry men of NATO we did not see it, we shot it by accident....
Still American stealth tech is way way way ahead by far than that. Lakini it is not super high tech. hata nchi ndogo ndogo zinaweza ku counter. Subiri usikie Marekani inaenda anga za Russia au China, then you will be able to tell.
B 52.....sorry guys it is very old tech, very old. Ujanja wa B 52 ni kuwa juu sana ambako makombora hayafiki kirahisi, lakini it is easily beatable bird, hasa kwa siku hizo. Kama mnafikiri US inategemea tech ya b 52 kama waliyotumia Vietnam mtakuwa mnajidaganya, it has evolved big time.
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This Russia mnajidai nayo....Let's see economic datas of Feb/ April 2015.. to compare RUSSIA with few States...in U.S.A...!!! ⬇⬇👇👇👇👇👇
1: California GDP 👉 $ 2.287 trillions
2: Texas GDP 👉 $ 1.602 trillions
3: New York GDP 👉 $ 1.350 trillions.....etc
let's see Russia ...April 2015....!!!
Russia GDP 👉 $1.175 trillions......
😷😷So...California GDP alone Feb. 2015 is TWICE THAT OF RUSSIAN....👊👊
Russia GDP imezidiwa mara 2 na California, imezidiwa na Texas, imezidiwa na New York...Russia kuna nn...!!!?
😷😷😷 ni IQ ndogo tu zinawadanganya....!!!
Kidogo tu nikupe ULISHA SIKIA SILICON VALLEY..!!? acha utani ww..!!!
IF U TAKE Russia and compare its GDP with some states in U.S.A...Russia inakaa ya 4...after NEW YORK...!!! So Russia ni sawa na state ya Kawaida sana U.S.A ukitaka kuilinganisha...!!!!
So, comparing ni ujinga UICHUKUE U.S.A YOOOTE ambayo U.S military budget ya mwaka 1 ni sawa na Russian Military budget ya miaka 50 ijayo...nasema ni UJINGA TU mkubwa to compare them, may be ILIKUWA ZAMANI ZA USSR , and tht was HISTORY, sio SASA HIVI...
Nasema, UCHUMI wa U.SA ukiaanza kutikisika tu, DUNIA NZIMA INAANGUKA, tumeona U.S ECONOMIC RECESSION tu ya 2010, wala sio Economic Depression kama ya mwaka 1930s, DUNIA NZIMA ILIANZA KULIA LIA....Uchumi wa nchi Zote Duniani uli shake vibaya sana.. STOCK MARKETS World wide Indicating REDs ⬇⬇ down....!!!! simply U.S ndio imeshikilia WORLD ECONOMY.. !!! hadi Tanzania nayo ikaanza kulia lia, budget yake ilikuwa very affected....!!! unajua hili..!!?
Ila Russia juzi tu were under Economic sanctions, UCHUMI WAO ulikuwa KAPUTI, ila HATA DUNIA haijashtuka kidogo....wala no one feels it...!! Coz Russia sio ISSUE....Period...!!!
These are RECENT DATAS and EVENTS kukuonyesha U.S.A is FATHER and MOTHER of ALL...!!! Hata Serikali yako Tz inategemea U.S sana tu kila mwaka..mnajaza choo mkitegemea U.S, unaijua MCC1, MCC2...PREPFAR, in Tz..!!? ulishasikia barabara, hospitals na miradi kadhaa Tz IMEANDIKWA KWA HISANI YA WATU WA MAREKANI...!!? ebu toka nje kwako angalia pembeni hamna kibao...!!? hadi vijijini UTAONA HIVYO VIBAO...MAANA YAKE MNAJENGEWA NCHI NA MAREKANI...hilo hujui..!!? tht is MENTAL SICKNESS, UNAONA HUJUI...UNAAMBIWA HUSIKII, UNAELEKEZWA HUELEWI, au hujui Rais wetu safari kila KUKICHA YUKO
U.S.A...!!? na HIYO si Tanzania tu...karibu DUNIA NZIMA MAREKANI INATOA MISAADA KIBAO....ya kila aina..na mikubwa...ULISIKIA JK akiwa RUSSIA...!!? Sbb hakuna kitu hukoo...!!!!! unaijua...Ulishasikia kuna mradi wowote Tz au nchi nyingi Afrika unafanywa na Russia..!!?
Digital TVs...unakaa hapo home unakenua, unajua NANI ANAKUWEZESHA KUZIONA..!!? ULIJUA MUNGU AU NI BURE..!!? SATELLITES ZA COMMS zipo hewani unaona na kusikia taarifa zote duniani ulijua ya Putin au RT owned...!!? Umekaa hapo una GOOGLE unatuleta vihabari vyako vya U.S biased..hiyo GOOGLE ni ya RUSSIA ..!!? Jiangalie hapo ULIPO KIUNDANI...una vitu origin yake from U.S vingapi. .!!? Simu nayo signals zake zinatoka wapi ..!!? Minara ya simu inapata wapi signals na codes zake uongee vizuri na kujidai...!!? Microsoft, unaijua au...unatumia software tu za Computer unajua zinatoka wapi..!!? Unamjua Bill Gates ni Mrussia au...!!? Unatumia FACEBOOK, Twitter, What's up, unajua NANI ANAMILIKI...!!? Mark unamjua..!!? So kila siku unatumia vitu KIBAO KWA FAIDA YAKO na UNAILIPIA MAREKANI, labda hujui tu....hivyo vyote ni U.SA....the GIANT of All...KUNA KITU CHA RUSSIA HAPO KWAKO...!!? Be brave, acha UTOTO, toka nje ya IKULU YETU in Dar kidogo tu kwa mlango wa nyuma...utaona BARACK OBAMA ROAD...!!! with PURPOSE ikae karibu na IKULU...!!!👏👏 Serikali zote duniani sio wajinga, wanajua U.S.A ni baba lao... Ulishasikia PUTIN Road Duniani...!!? Wala kufikiria hilo halipo...!!!
So hata ww Mtanzania, U.S.A inakujengea nchi sana tu...hamjijui unaongea hovyo...!!! am done
1: California GDP 👉 $ 2.287 trillions
2: Texas GDP 👉 $ 1.602 trillions
3: New York GDP 👉 $ 1.350 trillions.....etc
let's see Russia ...April 2015....!!!
Russia GDP 👉 $1.175 trillions......
😷😷So...California GDP alone Feb. 2015 is TWICE THAT OF RUSSIAN....👊👊
Russia GDP imezidiwa mara 2 na California, imezidiwa na Texas, imezidiwa na New York...Russia kuna nn...!!!?
😷😷😷 ni IQ ndogo tu zinawadanganya....!!!
Kidogo tu nikupe ULISHA SIKIA SILICON VALLEY..!!? acha utani ww..!!!
IF U TAKE Russia and compare its GDP with some states in U.S.A...Russia inakaa ya 4...after NEW YORK...!!! So Russia ni sawa na state ya Kawaida sana U.S.A ukitaka kuilinganisha...!!!!
So, comparing ni ujinga UICHUKUE U.S.A YOOOTE ambayo U.S military budget ya mwaka 1 ni sawa na Russian Military budget ya miaka 50 ijayo...nasema ni UJINGA TU mkubwa to compare them, may be ILIKUWA ZAMANI ZA USSR , and tht was HISTORY, sio SASA HIVI...
Nasema, UCHUMI wa U.SA ukiaanza kutikisika tu, DUNIA NZIMA INAANGUKA, tumeona U.S ECONOMIC RECESSION tu ya 2010, wala sio Economic Depression kama ya mwaka 1930s, DUNIA NZIMA ILIANZA KULIA LIA....Uchumi wa nchi Zote Duniani uli shake vibaya sana.. STOCK MARKETS World wide Indicating REDs ⬇⬇ down....!!!! simply U.S ndio imeshikilia WORLD ECONOMY.. !!! hadi Tanzania nayo ikaanza kulia lia, budget yake ilikuwa very affected....!!! unajua hili..!!?
Ila Russia juzi tu were under Economic sanctions, UCHUMI WAO ulikuwa KAPUTI, ila HATA DUNIA haijashtuka kidogo....wala no one feels it...!! Coz Russia sio ISSUE....Period...!!!
These are RECENT DATAS and EVENTS kukuonyesha U.S.A is FATHER and MOTHER of ALL...!!! Hata Serikali yako Tz inategemea U.S sana tu kila mwaka..mnajaza choo mkitegemea U.S, unaijua MCC1, MCC2...PREPFAR, in Tz..!!? ulishasikia barabara, hospitals na miradi kadhaa Tz IMEANDIKWA KWA HISANI YA WATU WA MAREKANI...!!? ebu toka nje kwako angalia pembeni hamna kibao...!!? hadi vijijini UTAONA HIVYO VIBAO...MAANA YAKE MNAJENGEWA NCHI NA MAREKANI...hilo hujui..!!? tht is MENTAL SICKNESS, UNAONA HUJUI...UNAAMBIWA HUSIKII, UNAELEKEZWA HUELEWI, au hujui Rais wetu safari kila KUKICHA YUKO
U.S.A...!!? na HIYO si Tanzania tu...karibu DUNIA NZIMA MAREKANI INATOA MISAADA KIBAO....ya kila aina..na mikubwa...ULISIKIA JK akiwa RUSSIA...!!? Sbb hakuna kitu hukoo...!!!!! unaijua...Ulishasikia kuna mradi wowote Tz au nchi nyingi Afrika unafanywa na Russia..!!?
Digital TVs...unakaa hapo home unakenua, unajua NANI ANAKUWEZESHA KUZIONA..!!? ULIJUA MUNGU AU NI BURE..!!? SATELLITES ZA COMMS zipo hewani unaona na kusikia taarifa zote duniani ulijua ya Putin au RT owned...!!? Umekaa hapo una GOOGLE unatuleta vihabari vyako vya U.S biased..hiyo GOOGLE ni ya RUSSIA ..!!? Jiangalie hapo ULIPO KIUNDANI...una vitu origin yake from U.S vingapi. .!!? Simu nayo signals zake zinatoka wapi ..!!? Minara ya simu inapata wapi signals na codes zake uongee vizuri na kujidai...!!? Microsoft, unaijua au...unatumia software tu za Computer unajua zinatoka wapi..!!? Unamjua Bill Gates ni Mrussia au...!!? Unatumia FACEBOOK, Twitter, What's up, unajua NANI ANAMILIKI...!!? Mark unamjua..!!? So kila siku unatumia vitu KIBAO KWA FAIDA YAKO na UNAILIPIA MAREKANI, labda hujui tu....hivyo vyote ni U.SA....the GIANT of All...KUNA KITU CHA RUSSIA HAPO KWAKO...!!? Be brave, acha UTOTO, toka nje ya IKULU YETU in Dar kidogo tu kwa mlango wa nyuma...utaona BARACK OBAMA ROAD...!!! with PURPOSE ikae karibu na IKULU...!!!👏👏 Serikali zote duniani sio wajinga, wanajua U.S.A ni baba lao... Ulishasikia PUTIN Road Duniani...!!? Wala kufikiria hilo halipo...!!!
So hata ww Mtanzania, U.S.A inakujengea nchi sana tu...hamjijui unaongea hovyo...!!! am done
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