LOL...if Obantu raises taxes for Walmart and they have to close stores including the one I work as a janitor or just raise prices of their goods to offset the high taxes. How will I do better? I will either lose my job or be penalized with high prices. So how will I do better? Again I am puzzled...
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LOL...if Obantu raises taxes for Walmart and they have to close stores including the one I work as a janitor or just raise prices of their goods to offset the high taxes. How will I do better? I will either lose my job or be penalized with high prices. So how will I do better? Again I am puzzled...
The answer to all your questions is simple and clear. Progressive tax will not affect price of goods or jobs in any case. Because whenever they charge people more for goods they'll pay more tax and will end up getting nothing to offset afterall they may ending up losing customers. The more tax collected will help the government programs on building infrastructures and researches for more development, if more people get good paying jobs on green energy industry they will spend more, spending more means prosperity to small business. when middle class performing well small business grows faster because people will spend more when they have more money. I think you know the concept of "Budget line" the higher it is the more satisfaction on both consumers and suppliers. So don't worry about jobs more jobs will be created by Obama's Tax plan than Bush-McCain tax plan which is the one prevailing now. See if working why job loss for straight 9 months of about 750,000.
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Jaribu kuwa muelewa wa mambo kidogo don't just copy Fox News talking points. Tax hike ni kwa yeyote yule au company yeyote ile anaye make net income ya $250,000 and above. Niambie ni biashara ngapi za akina hohe hahe zinaingiza hiyo net income. And for the most part kama una uwezo wa ku net 250 K you are doing fairly well.
Capitol Hill
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Another 100,000 plus crowd in Colorado -- Damn its good to be Barack Hussein Obama!
Um...come again? If business X currently makes $400,000 (pre-tax income) and their income taxes are 50% that leaves them with $200,000 net income. When Obantu raises their taxes to say 80%, for that business to maintain $200,000 net income they would need to make $1,000,000 (pre-tax income). How do you think they will come up with that differential ($600,000)? It will be passed on to consumers, cut labor costs (lay people off and move overseas), cut employee benefits (health insurance, benefits etc) etc. So tell me again why do you believe making businesses pay more will not affect price of goods or jobs? I am still puzzled...
It will be private companies through government contracts that will handle what you are proposing. But if you are crippling those businesses with high taxes, how will your plan work?
How will businesses prosper when the more they make the higher the taxes they will pay? Let me quote what you wrote:
Because whenever they charge people more for goods they'll pay more tax and will end up getting nothing to offset afterall they may ending up losing customers.
Don't you think you are contradicting yourself? Re-read what you wrote and see if you can spot it.
Were more jobs created under Jimmy Carter plans because that's what Obantu is proposing? It sounds to me that the solution or the cure to the economic woes that Obantu is proposing maybe worse than the disease.
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uh!? What!? 😕
You have to start preparation for 2012 otherwise you'll loose that one too. This one is over. C ya in 2012.
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interesting....
Capitol Hill
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wewe Truth acha kusema uongo....hizi rates za 50% na 80% on income tax umezitoa wapi? Where is the source of your talking point? FIX NEWS? The McCain Campaign? I suggest you check you sources sir! Hata ukishinda lottery leo hii na ukaamua kuchukua lump sum badala ya annuity IRS haikutozi 50% leo alone 80% on your fortune.
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This thread has been re-opened?
Rev. Kishoka
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Obama camp,
Uongo mbaya, with 8 days to go, natoa tamko langu la mwisho kutokana na hali halisi iliyoko sasa hivi.
John McCain atashinda uchaguzi kimizengwe! Hizo electoral college votes atakazoshinda itakuwa ni margin ndogo sana. Kutakuwa na voters and voting irregularity ya hali ya juu na wale ambao ndio tunaambiwa ndio council of America, watampa McCain uraisi kama fundisho la kujifanya yeye ni Maverick ili wamnusuru aibu na kumfanya McCain awe mtumwa wao na kibaraka.
So McCain wins but all the maverick talk, country first and straight talk express will be flushed into Potomac river. Kazi itakuwa kudindiana na Democrats ambao watakuwa wameshikilia Bunge zima!
Nyani Ngabu na The Truth hongereni!
Uongo mbaya, with 8 days to go, natoa tamko langu la mwisho kutokana na hali halisi iliyoko sasa hivi.
John McCain atashinda uchaguzi kimizengwe! Hizo electoral college votes atakazoshinda itakuwa ni margin ndogo sana. Kutakuwa na voters and voting irregularity ya hali ya juu na wale ambao ndio tunaambiwa ndio council of America, watampa McCain uraisi kama fundisho la kujifanya yeye ni Maverick ili wamnusuru aibu na kumfanya McCain awe mtumwa wao na kibaraka.
So McCain wins but all the maverick talk, country first and straight talk express will be flushed into Potomac river. Kazi itakuwa kudindiana na Democrats ambao watakuwa wameshikilia Bunge zima!
Nyani Ngabu na The Truth hongereni!
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NOT SO FAST REV
Rove: McCain ‘got a very steep hill to climb'
By Klaus Marre
Posted: 10/26/08 10:48 AM [ET]
Former White House adviser Karl Rove, credited with winning two elections for President Bush, on Sunday said GOP nominee John McCain has a "very steep hill to climb" in his quest for the presidency.
Rove, who often puts a positive spin on things for the GOP, on "Fox News Sunday" offered a bleaker assessment of the state of the race from a Republican point of view. In his own electoral map, Rove has Democratic nominee Barack Obama ahead with 317 electoral votes after moving Ohio, Indiana, Colorado and Virginia to the Illinois senator's column.
The GOP analyst noted that McCain would have to turn things around in all four states and sweep the remaining toss-up states in order to win the necessary electoral votes to prevail.
"It's a steep uphill climb," he said.
Rove added that McCain could turn the race if he is only down up to six points in national points. However, with the RealClearPolitics average of national polls putting Obama ahead by eight points, Rove said it would be "difficult" to make up that ground.
"What he's got to do is pound home on two big messages. One message is, ‘I'm right on the issues and he's wrong when it comes to taxes and the war on terror, and I'm experienced and ready to be president, and whatever his strengths and skills are, he, Sen. Obama, is not ready to be president'," Rove said. "And you've got to make that message in a handful of states and repeat it constantly and hope that your ground game on Election Day is able to give you a point or two more beyond what the polls show you having."
The GOP strategist also commented on signs that there is dissension within the ranks of the McCain campaign, including stress between vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and her handlers.
"It is a sign of undisciplined people who do not have the loyalty that they ought to have to the candidate whom they're serving," he said. "And it's a sad sight to see. Nobody makes themselves look good by this process."
Rove also acknowledged that this kind of infighting generally happens "in campaigns that are behind, and people want to make certain they escape with the best reputation they can."
.....labda uchaguzi wenu wa tarime lakini sio hapa UNITED STATES OF AMERICA na tafadhari tuondolee balaa lako!
Classic! tena Mungu apishie mbali hilo balaa....
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ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- College senior Kyla Berry was looking forward to voting in her first presidential election, even carrying her voter registration card in her wallet.
But about two weeks ago, Berry got disturbing news from local election officials.
"This office has received notification from the state of Georgia indicating that you are not a citizen of the United States and therefore, not eligible to vote," a letter from the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections said.
But Berry is a U.S. citizen, born in Boston, Massachusetts. She has a passport and a birth certificate to prove it. VideoWatch some of the concerns of voting experts »
The letter, which was dated October 2, gave her a week from the time it was dated to prove her citizenship. There was a problem, though -- the letter was postmarked October 9.
"It was the most bizarre thing. I immediately called my mother and asked her to send me my birth certificate, and then I was like, 'It's too late, apparently,' " Berry said.
Berry is one of more than 50,000 registered Georgia voters who have been "flagged" because of a computer mismatch in their personal identification information. At least 4,500 of those people are having their citizenship questioned and the burden is on them to prove eligibility to vote.
Experts say lists of people with mismatches are often systematically cut, or "purged," from voter rolls.
It's a scenario that's being repeated all across the country, with cases like Berry's raising fears of potential vote suppression in crucial swing states.
"What most people don't know is that every year, elections officials strike millions of names from the voter rolls using processes that are secret, prone to error and vulnerable to manipulation," said Wendy Weiser, an elections expert with New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
"That means that lots and lots of eligible voters could get knocked off the voter rolls without any notice and, in many cases, without any opportunity to correct it before Election Day."
Weiser acknowledged that "purging done well and with proper accountability" is necessary to remove people who have died or moved out of state.
"But the problem is it's not necessary to do inaccurate purges that catch up thousands of eligible voters without any notice or any opportunity to fix it before Election Day and really without any public scrutiny at all," she said.
Such allegations have flared up across the United States during this election cycle, most notably in Ohio, where a recent lawsuit has already gone to the U.S. Supreme Court.
There, the state Republican Party sued Ohio's Democratic secretary of state in an effort to make her generate a list of people who had mismatched information. But Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said generating such a list would create numerous problems too close to the election and possibly disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.
The Supreme Court last week ruled against the GOP on appeal of a lower court order directing Brunner to prepare the list.
In Florida, election officials found that 75 percent of about 20,000 voter registration applications from a three-week period in September were mismatched due to typographical and administrative errors. Florida's Republican secretary of state ordered the computer match system implemented in early September.
In Wisconsin, Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen sued the state's election board after it voted against a proposal to implement a "no-match" policy. The board conducted an audit of its voter rolls and found a 22 percent match failure rate -- including for four of the six members of the board.
The Brennan Center has also documented cases across the country of possible illegal purging, impediments to college student voting and difficulties accessing voter registration.
A lawsuit has been filed over Georgia's mismatch system, and the state is also under fire for requesting Social Security records for verification checks on about 2 million voters -- more requests than any other state.
One of the lawyers involved in the lawsuit says Georgia is violating a federal law that prohibits widespread voter purges within 90 days of the election, arguing that the letters were sent out too close to the election date.
"They are systematically using these lists and matching them and using those matches to send these letters out to voters," said McDonald, director of the ACLU Voting Rights Project in Georgia.
"It's not, you know, an individualized notion of people maybe not being citizens or not being residents. They're using a systematic purging procedure that's expressly prohibited by federal laws."
Asked if he believed that eligible voters were purged in Georgia, McDonald said, "If people who are properly eligible, are getting improperly challenged and purged, the answer would be 'Yes,' " he said.
Elise Shore, regional counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said letters like those sent to Berry appear to violate two federal laws against voter purging within 90 days of the election.
"People are being targeted, and people are being told they are non-citizens, including both naturalized citizens and U.S.-born citizens," said Shore, another plaintiff in the Georgia lawsuit. "They're being told they're not eligible to vote, based on information in a database that hasn't been checked and approved by the Department of Justice, and that we know has flaws in it."
Georgia's Secretary of State Karen Handel, a Republican who began working on purging voter rolls since she was elected in 2006, said that won't happen. If there are errors, she said, there is still plenty of time to resolve the problems.
Handel says she is not worried the verification process will prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot.
"In this state and all states, there's a process to ensure that a voter who comes in -- even if there's a question about their status -- that they will vote either provisional or challenge ballot, which is a paper ballot," she said.
"So then the voter has ample opportunity to clarify any issues or address them," Handel added. "And I think that's a really important process."
Handel denied the efforts to verify the vote are suppression.
"This is about ensuring the integrity of our elections," she said. "It is imperative to have checks and balances on the front end, during the processes and on the back end. That's what the verification process is about."
So someone like Kyla Berry will be allowed to cast a provisional ballot when she votes, but it's up to county election officials whether those ballots would actually count.
Berry says she will try to vote, but she's not confident it will count.
"I know this happens, but I cannot believe it's happening to me," she said. "If I weren't allowed to vote, I would just feel like that would be ... like the worst thing ever -- a travesty."
But about two weeks ago, Berry got disturbing news from local election officials.
"This office has received notification from the state of Georgia indicating that you are not a citizen of the United States and therefore, not eligible to vote," a letter from the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections said.
But Berry is a U.S. citizen, born in Boston, Massachusetts. She has a passport and a birth certificate to prove it. VideoWatch some of the concerns of voting experts »
The letter, which was dated October 2, gave her a week from the time it was dated to prove her citizenship. There was a problem, though -- the letter was postmarked October 9.
"It was the most bizarre thing. I immediately called my mother and asked her to send me my birth certificate, and then I was like, 'It's too late, apparently,' " Berry said.
Berry is one of more than 50,000 registered Georgia voters who have been "flagged" because of a computer mismatch in their personal identification information. At least 4,500 of those people are having their citizenship questioned and the burden is on them to prove eligibility to vote.
Experts say lists of people with mismatches are often systematically cut, or "purged," from voter rolls.
It's a scenario that's being repeated all across the country, with cases like Berry's raising fears of potential vote suppression in crucial swing states.
"What most people don't know is that every year, elections officials strike millions of names from the voter rolls using processes that are secret, prone to error and vulnerable to manipulation," said Wendy Weiser, an elections expert with New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
"That means that lots and lots of eligible voters could get knocked off the voter rolls without any notice and, in many cases, without any opportunity to correct it before Election Day."
Weiser acknowledged that "purging done well and with proper accountability" is necessary to remove people who have died or moved out of state.
"But the problem is it's not necessary to do inaccurate purges that catch up thousands of eligible voters without any notice or any opportunity to fix it before Election Day and really without any public scrutiny at all," she said.
Such allegations have flared up across the United States during this election cycle, most notably in Ohio, where a recent lawsuit has already gone to the U.S. Supreme Court.
There, the state Republican Party sued Ohio's Democratic secretary of state in an effort to make her generate a list of people who had mismatched information. But Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said generating such a list would create numerous problems too close to the election and possibly disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.
The Supreme Court last week ruled against the GOP on appeal of a lower court order directing Brunner to prepare the list.
In Florida, election officials found that 75 percent of about 20,000 voter registration applications from a three-week period in September were mismatched due to typographical and administrative errors. Florida's Republican secretary of state ordered the computer match system implemented in early September.
In Wisconsin, Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen sued the state's election board after it voted against a proposal to implement a "no-match" policy. The board conducted an audit of its voter rolls and found a 22 percent match failure rate -- including for four of the six members of the board.
The Brennan Center has also documented cases across the country of possible illegal purging, impediments to college student voting and difficulties accessing voter registration.
A lawsuit has been filed over Georgia's mismatch system, and the state is also under fire for requesting Social Security records for verification checks on about 2 million voters -- more requests than any other state.
One of the lawyers involved in the lawsuit says Georgia is violating a federal law that prohibits widespread voter purges within 90 days of the election, arguing that the letters were sent out too close to the election date.
"They are systematically using these lists and matching them and using those matches to send these letters out to voters," said McDonald, director of the ACLU Voting Rights Project in Georgia.
"It's not, you know, an individualized notion of people maybe not being citizens or not being residents. They're using a systematic purging procedure that's expressly prohibited by federal laws."
Asked if he believed that eligible voters were purged in Georgia, McDonald said, "If people who are properly eligible, are getting improperly challenged and purged, the answer would be 'Yes,' " he said.
Elise Shore, regional counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said letters like those sent to Berry appear to violate two federal laws against voter purging within 90 days of the election.
"People are being targeted, and people are being told they are non-citizens, including both naturalized citizens and U.S.-born citizens," said Shore, another plaintiff in the Georgia lawsuit. "They're being told they're not eligible to vote, based on information in a database that hasn't been checked and approved by the Department of Justice, and that we know has flaws in it."
Georgia's Secretary of State Karen Handel, a Republican who began working on purging voter rolls since she was elected in 2006, said that won't happen. If there are errors, she said, there is still plenty of time to resolve the problems.
Handel says she is not worried the verification process will prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot.
"In this state and all states, there's a process to ensure that a voter who comes in -- even if there's a question about their status -- that they will vote either provisional or challenge ballot, which is a paper ballot," she said.
"So then the voter has ample opportunity to clarify any issues or address them," Handel added. "And I think that's a really important process."
Handel denied the efforts to verify the vote are suppression.
"This is about ensuring the integrity of our elections," she said. "It is imperative to have checks and balances on the front end, during the processes and on the back end. That's what the verification process is about."
So someone like Kyla Berry will be allowed to cast a provisional ballot when she votes, but it's up to county election officials whether those ballots would actually count.
Berry says she will try to vote, but she's not confident it will count.
"I know this happens, but I cannot believe it's happening to me," she said. "If I weren't allowed to vote, I would just feel like that would be ... like the worst thing ever -- a travesty."
Susuviri
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While voter surpression is a reality lakini naomba niwakumbushe kwamba Obama team imepeleka lawyers 5,000 in various states. pia kama hawana uhakika na eligibility unweza bado kupiga kura ya provisional ballott na within reasonable time ukaprove your eligibility lakini ni kweli Rev Kishoka, GOP has decided to win this dirty but I am hopeful!
Pia kumbuka hawawezi kufanya everywhere kwa hiyo kuna states kama Ohio, Georgia etc ambapo watajaribu. We'll see but I am confident it will be a fight!
Hamna cha Maverick wala nini!
Pia kumbuka hawawezi kufanya everywhere kwa hiyo kuna states kama Ohio, Georgia etc ambapo watajaribu. We'll see but I am confident it will be a fight!
Hamna cha Maverick wala nini!
Rev. Kishoka
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Koba,
Hasira za nini kaka huku ni ukweli usiopingika? Kumbuka Florida 2000 kisha Ohio 2004.
Hizi kelele za kina Rove kama alivyotupa Capital Hill ni danganya toto, siwaamini hata kidogo.
Nitakuwa Thomaso mpaka nipokee ile Kavwasiye kutoka kwa Nyani, otherwise sishangilii najianda kwa reality!
Rev
Hili lilipaswa kuwa tamko la mwisho, ili uache kutuletea usheikh Yahya, wakati tunasubiri final verdict on Nov 4.
Mbona bado unatoa matamko tuu wakati sisi tulikuwa tumeshakutoa humu baada ya Tamko lako la mwisho lenye Utabiri wa mwisho. Sasa lipi la mwisho au bado la mwisho mwisho mwisho x 16, average of 2 per day in the last 8 days?, Natumai kama nio hivyo basi la mwisho litakuwa ni Obama will win pretty handily.
Hili lilipaswa kuwa tamko la mwisho, ili uache kutuletea usheikh Yahya, wakati tunasubiri final verdict on Nov 4.
Mbona bado unatoa matamko tuu wakati sisi tulikuwa tumeshakutoa humu baada ya Tamko lako la mwisho lenye Utabiri wa mwisho. Sasa lipi la mwisho au bado la mwisho mwisho mwisho x 16, average of 2 per day in the last 8 days?, Natumai kama nio hivyo basi la mwisho litakuwa ni Obama will win pretty handily.
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