Nyani Ngabu
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Mama is not going to cast her vote for the Messiah......this is just a show!
US Election Coverage 2008
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Mama is not going to cast her vote for the Messiah......this is just a show!
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Kwani uliongea naye about this? Kwikwikwi! You say it's a show lakini kuonekana campaigning for Obama under his banner ni tosha kuonyesha anamsapoti, kura yake ni siri... so swali umeona public endorsement hiyo? Sasa bado Bill... his turn is coming naye ataingia laini....
Then why does he stammer so much when giving a speech without a teleprompter? Why does he want income redistribution from Whites? If he was so smart he would realize that's a disastrous path to take. Plus it's hard to prove Obama's purpoted intelligence with his mediocre academic record, sealed test scores and so forth.
My support was for Ron Paul and nobody else. If McCain picks Jindal then he would make an excellent choice. Jindal would bring youth, proven intelligence (he was an honors student, a rhodes scholar to Oxford), sensible ideas just to name a few.
Claim: Obama's "birth certificate" forged with sister Maya's original
By Israel Insider staff August 5, 2008
Independent analysts, working separately, claim to have discovered that the original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth used in the fabrication of the Barack Obama "birth certificate" belongs to the Presidential candidate's younger half-sister, Maya.
Examining the high resolution image originally posted by the "Daily Kos" left-wing blog and subsequently claimed as authentic by the campaign, and posted in lower resolution on the campaign official "Fight the Smears" website, at least two analysts have been able to independently discern the name "Maya Kassandra Soetoro" from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document. Additional confirmatory information, such as her birthday and the nationality of her father have also been resurrected. A full report documenting all details is to be published in the coming days. Israel Insider has not yet seen proof that would validate the claim.
The dramatic claim comes just a day after a forensic specialist, posting on the Texas Darlin blog under the name Techdude (his real name is known to Israel Insider), announced the discovery of the identity of the original owner of the COLB document used in the forgery but would initially only indicate that it was a woman born in the 1970's. However, he provided enough clues to enable another graphic specialist (screen name KG) to independently reproduce the incriminating evidence. (Techdude had said that he wanted to give the guilty parties time to confess to the forgery, but also to allow independent confirmation of his discovery. He even offered to pay for a trip to Vegas to the first person to discover the name and detail the method by which it was discovered.)
According to Texas Darlin, which exclusively published these latest revelations, there is more to come: "In the coming days, Techdude will provide a final report that fully discloses his discovery, and provides all the fancy technical data, images, formulae etc. that everyone has come to expect. He will respond to questions posted on this blog to the best of his ability. (NOTE: KG has asked Techdude to donate the trip funds to help retire Hillary's debt, and Techdude has agreed.)" In the meantime, KG has posted details on how artifacts of the name "Maya Kassandra Soetero" were discerned.
The revelation that the COLB of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents what supporters of this analysis claim is a "smoking gun" that appears to implicate Senator Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama "birth certificate" -- which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features -- to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.
It appears unlikely, to say the least, that the campaign would have independently managed to obtain Maya's COLB, forged Barak's fake COLB using Maya's original, and verified the result as genuine without the candidate's knowledge and involvement. This is particularly true given the high profile treatment with which the campaign has treated the purported veracity of the supposed "birth certificate" in its Fight the Smears website. The apparent use of the Soetero document increases the likelihood of direct Obama involvement in the supply, production, and/or propagation of the forgery.
The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother -- not yet 19 at the time of his birth -- would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on "natural born citizenship" automatically.
There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book Dreams from My Father, specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists.
As strident as the claims are with respect to the source of the purported Obama COLB, and despite the claimed ability to replicate Techdude's work, not all experts are convinced. Veteran forensic analyst Joseph Cannon expresses frustration with what he considers Techdude's vague instructions for "resurrecting" the artifacts that allegedly spell Maya's name.
AJ Strata, who has been an extreme skeptic with respect to the fake certificate claims, believes this latest analysis is a "joke" from a "cult," proof that "the inmates have taken over the asylum." Indeed, there are still too many unanswered questions to reach a reliable assessment about the veracity of Techdude's claims for the hidden name. Much appears dependent on his ability to lay out replicable instructions and demonstrate graphics which show the hidden name appearing. He promises a full report in coming days. Until then, the jury is still out.
Intriguingly, too, Maya Soetoro-Ng is believed to have been born outside the United States, in Indonesia, so her apparent ownership of a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth raises questions about how such a document could have been produced for an Indonesian-born girl. There do appear to be circumstances which would enable a foreign born child to get a US birth certificate, including a consular report of an overseas birth by an American citizen, or an adoption. Those factors and circumstances, too, may shed light on Barack Obama's citizenship status and his ability, or inability, to document it.
Ironically, but perhaps not coincidentally, the Obama campaign has challenged the credentials of Republican opponent John McCain, because he makes no secret of being born out of the country, in Panama. But both of McCain's parents were Americans so, unlike Obama, are by statute able to pass on natural born citizen status to their foreign-born child.
This is the seventh of a series on the purported Obama birth certificate. Here's where you can find Part 1, 2, 3 4, 5, 6, and 7.
Other articles about Barack Obama are linked on the upper left of this article.
© 2001-2004 Koret Communications Ltd. All rights reserved.
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http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13040.htm
By Israel Insider staff August 5, 2008
Independent analysts, working separately, claim to have discovered that the original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth used in the fabrication of the Barack Obama "birth certificate" belongs to the Presidential candidate's younger half-sister, Maya.
Examining the high resolution image originally posted by the "Daily Kos" left-wing blog and subsequently claimed as authentic by the campaign, and posted in lower resolution on the campaign official "Fight the Smears" website, at least two analysts have been able to independently discern the name "Maya Kassandra Soetoro" from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document. Additional confirmatory information, such as her birthday and the nationality of her father have also been resurrected. A full report documenting all details is to be published in the coming days. Israel Insider has not yet seen proof that would validate the claim.
The dramatic claim comes just a day after a forensic specialist, posting on the Texas Darlin blog under the name Techdude (his real name is known to Israel Insider), announced the discovery of the identity of the original owner of the COLB document used in the forgery but would initially only indicate that it was a woman born in the 1970's. However, he provided enough clues to enable another graphic specialist (screen name KG) to independently reproduce the incriminating evidence. (Techdude had said that he wanted to give the guilty parties time to confess to the forgery, but also to allow independent confirmation of his discovery. He even offered to pay for a trip to Vegas to the first person to discover the name and detail the method by which it was discovered.)
According to Texas Darlin, which exclusively published these latest revelations, there is more to come: "In the coming days, Techdude will provide a final report that fully discloses his discovery, and provides all the fancy technical data, images, formulae etc. that everyone has come to expect. He will respond to questions posted on this blog to the best of his ability. (NOTE: KG has asked Techdude to donate the trip funds to help retire Hillary's debt, and Techdude has agreed.)" In the meantime, KG has posted details on how artifacts of the name "Maya Kassandra Soetero" were discerned.
The revelation that the COLB of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents what supporters of this analysis claim is a "smoking gun" that appears to implicate Senator Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama "birth certificate" -- which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features -- to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.
It appears unlikely, to say the least, that the campaign would have independently managed to obtain Maya's COLB, forged Barak's fake COLB using Maya's original, and verified the result as genuine without the candidate's knowledge and involvement. This is particularly true given the high profile treatment with which the campaign has treated the purported veracity of the supposed "birth certificate" in its Fight the Smears website. The apparent use of the Soetero document increases the likelihood of direct Obama involvement in the supply, production, and/or propagation of the forgery.
The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother -- not yet 19 at the time of his birth -- would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on "natural born citizenship" automatically.
There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book Dreams from My Father, specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists.
As strident as the claims are with respect to the source of the purported Obama COLB, and despite the claimed ability to replicate Techdude's work, not all experts are convinced. Veteran forensic analyst Joseph Cannon expresses frustration with what he considers Techdude's vague instructions for "resurrecting" the artifacts that allegedly spell Maya's name.
AJ Strata, who has been an extreme skeptic with respect to the fake certificate claims, believes this latest analysis is a "joke" from a "cult," proof that "the inmates have taken over the asylum." Indeed, there are still too many unanswered questions to reach a reliable assessment about the veracity of Techdude's claims for the hidden name. Much appears dependent on his ability to lay out replicable instructions and demonstrate graphics which show the hidden name appearing. He promises a full report in coming days. Until then, the jury is still out.
Intriguingly, too, Maya Soetoro-Ng is believed to have been born outside the United States, in Indonesia, so her apparent ownership of a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth raises questions about how such a document could have been produced for an Indonesian-born girl. There do appear to be circumstances which would enable a foreign born child to get a US birth certificate, including a consular report of an overseas birth by an American citizen, or an adoption. Those factors and circumstances, too, may shed light on Barack Obama's citizenship status and his ability, or inability, to document it.
Ironically, but perhaps not coincidentally, the Obama campaign has challenged the credentials of Republican opponent John McCain, because he makes no secret of being born out of the country, in Panama. But both of McCain's parents were Americans so, unlike Obama, are by statute able to pass on natural born citizen status to their foreign-born child.
This is the seventh of a series on the purported Obama birth certificate. Here's where you can find Part 1, 2, 3 4, 5, 6, and 7.
Other articles about Barack Obama are linked on the upper left of this article.
© 2001-2004 Koret Communications Ltd. All rights reserved.
Source:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13040.htm
Kitila Mkumbo
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Hawa Republicans wanazijua propaganda. Hebu angalia hii ad ambapo heavy weights wa DNC wanamsifia MacCain, na jinsi walivyoweza kuunganisha hivyo vipande:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/08/mccain_democrats_praising_mcca.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/08/mccain_democrats_praising_mcca.html
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Hehehe..angalia anavyotabasamu na alivyo na furaha...
Nyani Ngabu
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Oh yeah...Republicans wajuzi sana wa haya mambo na Democraps ni wajinga kumsifia mtu ambaye anaweza akaja kuwa mpinzani wao hapo baadae. Sasa angalia hao wote waliokuwa wakimsfifia McCain walijaribu kugombea ikiwemo hadi Messiah mwenyewe....ahahahahahahahaaa
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Yeah right...do you really believe it's genuine? don't tell me you are that naive...
BTW, umesikia CEO kapigwa chini kwenye primary runoff? He voted for Bush twice and went on record to say it.....Lol
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Unless you are talking about another Obama, not this one that we have come to know. Every sane person, even his staunch opponents, including MacCain himself, aknowledge profoundly and unreservedly Obama's multiple intelligence, beyond academic circles, and of his many weaknesses, surely, shallow intelligence is not one of them. You can still criticise Obama, on many fronts, without uttering these carelessly fabricated malicious and unfounded claims.
This particular post has confirmed my hinch of your deep seated hatred towards Obama, and, on this basis, I will stop treating your posts with due regard and consideration. I will, however, respect and protect your right to utter your innuendos in this very forum.
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LIVING POLITICS
Howard Fineman
Dont Call MeI May Call You
He may be reluctant to admit it, but Obama needs Bill Clinton.
Aug. 18-25, 2008 issue
Soon after he wrapped up the Democratic nomination in June, Sen. Barack Obama invited some of Sen. Hillary Clinton's key financial supporters"bundlers" in the tradeto a private cocktail party and dinner in Washington. These were the more practical types, many of them women, who loved Hillary but the Democratic Party even more. They felt the need to give face-to-face advice to their new champion. One of them, speaking to me on condition of anonymity, said she pleaded with the senator to spend quality time with a wounded and therefore potentially disruptive Bill Clinton. "I told Barack, 'Have dinner. Clear the air. Win him over'." Obama didn't seem eager, but he did make a brief call a month later. The bundler pressed him to do more. "Barack told me it was hard to find the time, and I said, 'You'd better!' " Last week Obama called a second time, and the result was a deal for Clinton to speak at the convention in Denver. Still, there are no plans for them to sit down alone.
Everyone knows there is bad blood between the Obamas and the Clintons. But politics is the art of turning the sanguinary into the sanguine. Obama could use the Clintons' help, even if he is reluctant to admit it, and the Clintons need to cheerfully join the team (or do a good job of faking it) if they do not want to be dismissed as whinersor blamed as Machiavellian backstabbers if he loses. And yet a four-way alliance (Michelle Obama is a key player, too) has proved difficult to construct. The two couples, from opposite ends of the baby boom, have behaved like reluctant participants at their first middle-school dance. Negotiations over the Clintons' role at the convention involve no fewer than 12 staffers and exude the labored air of Middle East peace talks.
With a Senate job and a political future to protect, Hillary is so far the more committed of the Clintons. Since June she's appeared onstage with the senator and now, having settled on a themepay equity for womenshe is campaigning for him in states where she did well in the primaries. At the same time, however, she has quietly continued to push for the convention to include a roll call of her delegate support. She says such a state-by-state counta reminder of just how close she had in fact come to winning the nominationwould be a welcome "catharsis" for the party. Despite the disagreement, the Obama side has agreed to give her a prominent, prime-time role in Denver.
The former president is a tougher case. He seems more King Lear than keynote speaker. He seethes over the way the Obama campaign and the media portrayed him in the primaries. His rage erupted during a trip to Africa intended to show that he was now devoting his life to the charitable work of his foundation. "I am not a racist," a red-faced Clinton declared to ABC. "I never made a racist comment." As for Obama's readiness to be presidenta key line of attack from Sen. John McCainClinton was able to muster this: "You can argue that nobody is ready to be president."
Some Obama advisers find Clinton a divisive and insufferable hypocrite who is merely yesterday's news. Yet he and FDR were the only modern Democrats to win back-to-back elections, and there is no doubt that a fired-up and ready-to-go Bubba would be a formidable salesman for Obama's cause.
To see Bill now is to see a melancholy political animal: still brilliant, but clouded by his own resentments. At the Aspen Institute Ideas Conference recently, he held forth effortlessly on ethanol and electricity grids, education and rural poverty. A tentful of academics, business leaders, journos and, yes, bundlers, sat in rapt silence. I knew what they were thinking: the guy is flawed (as are we all), but what a once-in-a-generation talent. Obama sure could use him.
© 2008 Newsweek.
...Obama aache utoto, ampigie simu waongea yaishe, waungane ku-defeat GOP!! alah.
Howard Fineman
Dont Call MeI May Call You
He may be reluctant to admit it, but Obama needs Bill Clinton.
Aug. 18-25, 2008 issue
Soon after he wrapped up the Democratic nomination in June, Sen. Barack Obama invited some of Sen. Hillary Clinton's key financial supporters"bundlers" in the tradeto a private cocktail party and dinner in Washington. These were the more practical types, many of them women, who loved Hillary but the Democratic Party even more. They felt the need to give face-to-face advice to their new champion. One of them, speaking to me on condition of anonymity, said she pleaded with the senator to spend quality time with a wounded and therefore potentially disruptive Bill Clinton. "I told Barack, 'Have dinner. Clear the air. Win him over'." Obama didn't seem eager, but he did make a brief call a month later. The bundler pressed him to do more. "Barack told me it was hard to find the time, and I said, 'You'd better!' " Last week Obama called a second time, and the result was a deal for Clinton to speak at the convention in Denver. Still, there are no plans for them to sit down alone.
Everyone knows there is bad blood between the Obamas and the Clintons. But politics is the art of turning the sanguinary into the sanguine. Obama could use the Clintons' help, even if he is reluctant to admit it, and the Clintons need to cheerfully join the team (or do a good job of faking it) if they do not want to be dismissed as whinersor blamed as Machiavellian backstabbers if he loses. And yet a four-way alliance (Michelle Obama is a key player, too) has proved difficult to construct. The two couples, from opposite ends of the baby boom, have behaved like reluctant participants at their first middle-school dance. Negotiations over the Clintons' role at the convention involve no fewer than 12 staffers and exude the labored air of Middle East peace talks.
With a Senate job and a political future to protect, Hillary is so far the more committed of the Clintons. Since June she's appeared onstage with the senator and now, having settled on a themepay equity for womenshe is campaigning for him in states where she did well in the primaries. At the same time, however, she has quietly continued to push for the convention to include a roll call of her delegate support. She says such a state-by-state counta reminder of just how close she had in fact come to winning the nominationwould be a welcome "catharsis" for the party. Despite the disagreement, the Obama side has agreed to give her a prominent, prime-time role in Denver.
The former president is a tougher case. He seems more King Lear than keynote speaker. He seethes over the way the Obama campaign and the media portrayed him in the primaries. His rage erupted during a trip to Africa intended to show that he was now devoting his life to the charitable work of his foundation. "I am not a racist," a red-faced Clinton declared to ABC. "I never made a racist comment." As for Obama's readiness to be presidenta key line of attack from Sen. John McCainClinton was able to muster this: "You can argue that nobody is ready to be president."
Some Obama advisers find Clinton a divisive and insufferable hypocrite who is merely yesterday's news. Yet he and FDR were the only modern Democrats to win back-to-back elections, and there is no doubt that a fired-up and ready-to-go Bubba would be a formidable salesman for Obama's cause.
To see Bill now is to see a melancholy political animal: still brilliant, but clouded by his own resentments. At the Aspen Institute Ideas Conference recently, he held forth effortlessly on ethanol and electricity grids, education and rural poverty. A tentful of academics, business leaders, journos and, yes, bundlers, sat in rapt silence. I knew what they were thinking: the guy is flawed (as are we all), but what a once-in-a-generation talent. Obama sure could use him.
© 2008 Newsweek.
...Obama aache utoto, ampigie simu waongea yaishe, waungane ku-defeat GOP!! alah.
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YNIM, Susu na Icadon,
Je mmesikia kuwa Baba wa Kambo wa Nyani hajui tumia Internet, Blackberry na heri hata Osama anajua kutumia Laptop?
Je mmesikia kuwa Baba wa Kambo wa Nyani hajui tumia Internet, Blackberry na heri hata Osama anajua kutumia Laptop?
Nyani Ngabu
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So? hiyo haitazuia kitu....Super Man atashinda tu
Unfortunately due to political correctness atmosphere no sane person dares critisizing Obama's lack of intelligence. Any public figure that does that will be labelled racist. Once you are branded that label then your public carreer is surely over. The reality of course is different, there are many factors that point to Obama's low intelligence as I have mentioned in my previous posts. From his policies and ideas to what and the way he says things. That's why his academic record and test scores remain a secret. Because as soon as they become public, they will simply confirm what I have been saying.
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You don't have to be a genius to be president...
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Barack asifanye kosa alilofanya John Kerry. Hii mashine ya GOP inahitaji machine nyingine kama yao, na sioni mwingine zaidi ya akina Clinton.
Barack asifanye kosa alilofanya John Kerry. Hii mashine ya GOP inahitaji machine nyingine kama yao, na sioni mwingine zaidi ya akina Clinton.
True, but there is a threshold of intelligence a president should not go under. Obama is below that threshold. Case in point, there is a full-blown war going on in Georgia right now and we have heard nothing from the future "leader of the civilized world" i.e. Obama. Vacation or not there are matters of more importance. He is either afraid to comment on the conflict because he will say something stupid that will be exploited politically by McCain, or he is simply a do nothing, say nothing leader.
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It is when you say blatant lies that you risk being ignored! Sasa kusema eti Obama hajacomment wakati tokea day one of the escalation amekuwa akitoa statements pamoja na McCain na statements zao zimerushwa hewani, what do you want to achieve? To demonstrate that you have no idea what is happening? Tulia kwanza alafu uje na points za maana. Naungana na Kitila mpaka utakapodemonstrate that you are here for meaningful discussion and not to repeat innuendos and smears, I will not engage you. Endelea kuenjoy your freedom of expression!
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Yaani Babu alifanya kosa kukiri kwamba hana idea kabisa, angesema tu kwamba si mzoefu sana or something like that. Sasa hata Google haijui! Lakini it is a generational thing. I know that 70 years old wanaogopa 'mashine' hizi kama nini, na hata ATM na simu za mkononi wanatumia kwa sababu no way.
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PREZ KICHAKA AKIWA ANAENJOY THE OLYMPICS GAME... JE MT PREZ ALIKUWA AMESHAPATA KIDOGO? LOOKS DRUNK TO ME!!!!
Please note Laura alivyoamua ku-ignore na ku-save
Katika event nyingine, Barbara alianza kuchukia mapema, babake anawaumbua sana
Hapa binti ndo kabisaaa amekereka
Imebidi sasa Laura aingilie
Hapa sasa familia imesha-resign wamekubali hali... habari ndo hiyo
Please note Laura alivyoamua ku-ignore na ku-save
Katika event nyingine, Barbara alianza kuchukia mapema, babake anawaumbua sana
Hapa binti ndo kabisaaa amekereka
Imebidi sasa Laura aingilie
Hapa sasa familia imesha-resign wamekubali hali... habari ndo hiyo
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