Ukabila Ikulu, Ujenzi, Mambo ya nje, Mipango, TRA, BoT + Ofisi nyeti za serikali

[Arams]

2007 nlkua la pili

Hakika ulikuwa mtoto, na sasa unaitwa baba!
Sasa Salehe yupo darasa la ngapi mkuu

 

[Kanungila Karim]

Kwahiyo?

 

[elmatadorkruz]

Somesheni watoto wenu

 

[NZURI PESA]

Najua hii topiki haitokuwa poplar na baadhi ya watu humu ndani na hata wenye website lakini potelea mbali

Je ni kweli wizara hizo zimejaa makabila ya Wachagga,Wanyakyusa na wahaya?

mimi nilikuwa siamini mpaka pale NILIPO ambiwa kuwa kuna UKABILA wa hali ya juuu kule Ikulu NA vile vile namba mbili kwa UKABILA ni TRA je kuna ukweli katika haya?

Japo kuna watu wanasema kuwa ni udini lakini sumu ambayo hatuko tayari hata kuijadili ni hii ya ukabila na ndio inayoturudisha nyuma je mnakubaliana nayo?




-JAMBO FORUMS WHERE WE DARE TALK OPENLY

Rangi uliyotumia kuandikia INAUMIZA MACHO

 

[The Boldly]

Rangi uliyotumia kuandikia INAUMIZA MACHO

Aliandika nikiwa darasa la tatu.

Aisee

 

[Basi Nenda]

Aliandika nikiwa darasa la tatu.

Aisee

So saivi uko chuo first year ?

 

[The Boldly]

So saivi uko chuo first year ?

Hapana.....nimemaliza chuo

 

[britanicca]

ukabila IKULU

 

[green rajab]

Kwa hiyo pale Ikulu majitu yanaitana Poti

 

[theriogenology]

ukabila IKULU

Thibitisha kauli yako Mkuu...

 

[2013]

tuipendenchiyetu, karibu na tunafurahi kuwa umeweza hatimaye kuamua kuchangia badala ya kuwa mtazamaji tu.

a. Katika maendeleo yote ya elimu hadi hivi sasa, Makabila hayo yamerudi nyuma au yameendelea mbele?

b. Ili kuweza kufikia uwiano, je tuamue kuyafunga breki, kwa mfano kusitisha kwa miaka mitano kuchukua wanafunzi wa elimu ya juu toka makabila hayo?

c. Tukiamua kufanya hivyo, tuhakikishe kuwa hawaendi kusoma nje ya nchi pia kwa muda huo?

d. Je, tunapopokea CV ya mtu au kumchagua mtu tukiona jina la "Kagaruki", "Mwakipesile" au "Lyimo" tuwaengue moja kwa moja?

e. Kwenye ofisi ambazo zimejaa watu wa makabila hayo tuzipangue na kuwaaingiza watu wa makabila mengine ilimradi isionekane wamejaa watu wa kabila moja?

f. Tukishaanza kufanya hivyo na tukagundua kuwa watu warefu ndio wengi zaidi, tuanze kuhakikisha watu wafupi nao wanaingizwa? tukifanya hivyo tukagundua kuwa wengi wanaofanya kazi maofisini wanatumia mikono ya kulia, tuanze kutafuta watumiaji wa mikono ya kushoto? na tukimaliza hivyo na kugundua kuwa wengi waliojariwa ni wanaume, tuwapunguze ili tuongeze wanawake? Tukishamaliza hivyo na kugundua kuwa wanawake wengi waliojariwa ni waislamu, tuwaombe wastaafu ili wawapishe wakristu? tukifanya hivyo na kugundua kuwa wakristo hao wengi ni wakatoliki tuwatake wawamegee nafasi hizo waprotestanti?.. ni jinsi gani tutasitisha zoezi hilo la kibaguzi?

Well said Mkuu

 

[LadyRed]

Sikuhizi kabila nyingi tu zipo juu kila mtu anasoma sikuiz

Na nchi saivi iko Kanda ya Ziwa
Kutesa ni kwa zamu

 

[instanbul]

samvulechole... hakuna hoja ambayo ni ngeni hapa.. madai ya makabila hayo kupendelewa hayakuanza leo! tangu mara tu baada ya uhuru kulikuwa na tuhuma hizo hizo.. so.. there is nothing there..! Hata hivyo hatari unayoweza kuleta siyo ukabila bali ubaguzi, kuwa kama mtu anatoka kwenye makabila hayo basi asipewe nafasi fulani kwa vile watu fulani wanadhani kuna ukabila! Nitakupa mfano, kuna wanasheria watatu wote ni maprofesa... kuna Prof. Mwakalindile (Sheria, uzoefu miaka 30), Prof. Mtimba (mmakua, uzoefu miaka 10, sheria), na Prof. Chanda (Mzigua, sheria uzoefu miaka 5). Assuming maeneo ya fani zao ni sawa, ceteris paribus Rais anataka kumteua mshauri wa kisheria.. nani apewe kwa haki? Wengi watasema prof. Mwakalindile! Sasa kwa kufanya hivyo hata hivyo kuna wanyakyusa wawili tayari hapo ikulu ambao wameshapata nafasi zao, je tumnyime Mwakalindile kwa vile itaonesha ukabila?

Kabla hatujafikia hapo pa kudai ukabila tujiulize: "Kwanini inaonekana kuna wasomi wengi wa makabila hayo matatu Wachaga, Wahaya, na Wanyakyusa"? Je, tupunguze wanafunzi wanaotoka kwenye makabila hayo na kuwapa nafasi watu wa makabila mengine ili kuleta uwiano (parity)? Je tukiamua kufanya hivyo hatutakuwa tunaanza ubaguzi wa kikabila?

Tarehe 9 Disemba 1968 Nyerere alitumia siku ya Jamhuri kuzungumzia "Vitu ambavyo ni lazima Tuvisahihishe", vitu ambavyo baada ya uhuru havikwenda vilivyotarajiwa. Alizungumzia ukabila; kwanza alisema hivi:

"the man who talks about tribalism being practised without having any evidence for his statement is often a man who wants to stir up tribalism. Even if that is not his purpose, the result can be just the same. People will begin to think that there is tribalism, and, once people begin to think in these terms, then tribalism has begun to enter tinto our society"

Kuhusu Wahaya, Wanyakyusa, na Wachaga kupata nafasi nyingi katika serikali, Mwalimu alisema hivi miaka karibu 30 iliyopita:

"..the work of the civil servants and people in the parastatal organizations does require education..it so happened that the Tanzanians who had the opportunity for higher education under the colonialists were mostly Wahaya, Wachagga, and Wanyakyusa. And because most of the education was provided by missionaries, most of these people are also Christians. That was our inheritance. These conditions will change, but they have not changed yet. And for these reasons, when we get rid of the Europeans who were doing responsible jobs, and give these jobs to Tanzanians, the people who get them come mostly from one or other of these three tribes".

Akaongeza pia,

"Therefore, if you ask me why Wahaya, Wachagga, and Wanyakyusa have most of the jobs which require higher education, the answer is very obvious. They were the ones who received higher education during colonial times. I'd say: investigate the position in politics where a man is not asked about his educational qualifications. Look at the Parliament, the National Executive and Central Committee of TANU, and at the Cabinet. How many Wanyakyusa, Wahaya, or Wachagga are members? You will find that perhaps there aren't any, or there are one or two. This is the truth"

kwa umahiri wake wa maneno JKN akatoboa ukweli huu

"Anyone who refuses to accept a very obvious truth like this, and says that the reason is tribalism, must provide us with the evidence for his statement. If he cannot provide any evidence, we must conclude either that he is a fool, or that he is strirring up tribalism deliberately. He is the sort of (a) person who begs work on a tribal basis, and when he is refused because he does not have the capabilities, he pretends he was refused on tribal grounds."

Akasema pia ni jukumu la serikali kusaidia sehemu ambazo bado ziko nyuma kielimu. Na alimaliza kwa kusema:

".. if a Mchagga, a Mhaya, or a Mnyakyusayoung man were refused work simply because of his tribe - when he is capable and there is no other Tanzanian with the qualifications - then we would be practising a very stupid and very evil kind of tribalism such as that which caused the establishment of Biafra. I beg you, my brothers, avoid ANYTHING WHICH COULD BRING OUR COUNTRY INTO THIS KIND OF DISGRACE" (emphasis mine)
(From: Uhuru na Maendeleo pp 76,77)

so what say you?

Zamani kulikuwepo great thinkers aswa

 

[GAS STATE]

akifa muislam anakuwa mdini ila mkristo anaitwa mkabila

 

[Patriot]

samvulechole... hakuna hoja ambayo ni ngeni hapa.. madai ya makabila hayo kupendelewa hayakuanza leo! tangu mara tu baada ya uhuru kulikuwa na tuhuma hizo hizo.. so.. there is nothing there..! Hata hivyo hatari unayoweza kuleta siyo ukabila bali ubaguzi, kuwa kama mtu anatoka kwenye makabila hayo basi asipewe nafasi fulani kwa vile watu fulani wanadhani kuna ukabila! Nitakupa mfano, kuna wanasheria watatu wote ni maprofesa... kuna Prof. Mwakalindile (Sheria, uzoefu miaka 30), Prof. Mtimba (mmakua, uzoefu miaka 10, sheria), na Prof. Chanda (Mzigua, sheria uzoefu miaka 5). Assuming maeneo ya fani zao ni sawa, ceteris paribus Rais anataka kumteua mshauri wa kisheria.. nani apewe kwa haki? Wengi watasema prof. Mwakalindile! Sasa kwa kufanya hivyo hata hivyo kuna wanyakyusa wawili tayari hapo ikulu ambao wameshapata nafasi zao, je tumnyime Mwakalindile kwa vile itaonesha ukabila?

Kabla hatujafikia hapo pa kudai ukabila tujiulize: "Kwanini inaonekana kuna wasomi wengi wa makabila hayo matatu Wachaga, Wahaya, na Wanyakyusa"? Je, tupunguze wanafunzi wanaotoka kwenye makabila hayo na kuwapa nafasi watu wa makabila mengine ili kuleta uwiano (parity)? Je tukiamua kufanya hivyo hatutakuwa tunaanza ubaguzi wa kikabila?

Tarehe 9 Disemba 1968 Nyerere alitumia siku ya Jamhuri kuzungumzia "Vitu ambavyo ni lazima Tuvisahihishe", vitu ambavyo baada ya uhuru havikwenda vilivyotarajiwa. Alizungumzia ukabila; kwanza alisema hivi:

"the man who talks about tribalism being practised without having any evidence for his statement is often a man who wants to stir up tribalism. Even if that is not his purpose, the result can be just the same. People will begin to think that there is tribalism, and, once people begin to think in these terms, then tribalism has begun to enter tinto our society"

Kuhusu Wahaya, Wanyakyusa, na Wachaga kupata nafasi nyingi katika serikali, Mwalimu alisema hivi miaka karibu 30 iliyopita:

"..the work of the civil servants and people in the parastatal organizations does require education..it so happened that the Tanzanians who had the opportunity for higher education under the colonialists were mostly Wahaya, Wachagga, and Wanyakyusa. And because most of the education was provided by missionaries, most of these people are also Christians. That was our inheritance. These conditions will change, but they have not changed yet. And for these reasons, when we get rid of the Europeans who were doing responsible jobs, and give these jobs to Tanzanians, the people who get them come mostly from one or other of these three tribes".

Akaongeza pia,

"Therefore, if you ask me why Wahaya, Wachagga, and Wanyakyusa have most of the jobs which require higher education, the answer is very obvious. They were the ones who received higher education during colonial times. I'd say: investigate the position in politics where a man is not asked about his educational qualifications. Look at the Parliament, the National Executive and Central Committee of TANU, and at the Cabinet. How many Wanyakyusa, Wahaya, or Wachagga are members? You will find that perhaps there aren't any, or there are one or two. This is the truth"

kwa umahiri wake wa maneno JKN akatoboa ukweli huu

"Anyone who refuses to accept a very obvious truth like this, and says that the reason is tribalism, must provide us with the evidence for his statement. If he cannot provide any evidence, we must conclude either that he is a fool, or that he is strirring up tribalism deliberately. He is the sort of (a) person who begs work on a tribal basis, and when he is refused because he does not have the capabilities, he pretends he was refused on tribal grounds."

Akasema pia ni jukumu la serikali kusaidia sehemu ambazo bado ziko nyuma kielimu. Na alimaliza kwa kusema:

".. if a Mchagga, a Mhaya, or a Mnyakyusayoung man were refused work simply because of his tribe - when he is capable and there is no other Tanzanian with the qualifications - then we would be practising a very stupid and very evil kind of tribalism such as that which caused the establishment of Biafra. I beg you, my brothers, avoid ANYTHING WHICH COULD BRING OUR COUNTRY INTO THIS KIND OF DISGRACE" (emphasis mine)
(From: Uhuru na Maendeleo pp 76,77)

so what say you?

Ulionekana kuisema sehemu fulani kweye thrd hii. Kwamba sababu hizo bado zipo? Kwamba sasa hata kwenye siasa, kuna chama ni cha kabila moja na wengine wamekribishwa?

 

[Luther samwel]

Najua hii topiki haitokuwa poplar na baadhi ya watu humu ndani na hata wenye website lakini potelea mbali

Je ni kweli wizara hizo zimejaa makabila ya Wachagga,Wanyakyusa na wahaya?

mimi nilikuwa siamini mpaka pale NILIPO ambiwa kuwa kuna UKABILA wa hali ya juuu kule Ikulu NA vile vile namba mbili kwa UKABILA ni TRA je kuna ukweli katika haya?

Japo kuna watu wanasema kuwa ni udini lakini sumu ambayo hatuko tayari hata kuijadili ni hii ya ukabila na ndio inayoturudisha nyuma je mnakubaliana nayo?




-JAMBO FORUMS WHERE WE DARE TALK OPENLY

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[Idimi]

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Naona unafukua makaburi. This thread dates way back 2007 during former JAMBO FORUMS, when JF was in its infancy stage!

 

[Mama Debora]

Walioongoza kidato cha nne watajwa

President Kikwete with Evelyine Lupimo who emerged as the Best student in the country in her O'Level exams among the 12 students who were awarded for performing well in various categories.

President Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete this morning awarded 12 students who emerged top performers in their O'Level Exams last year.The Brief but colourful ceremony was held at State house Dar es salaam.​

*Watatu wanatoka Mtakatifu Francis Mbeya
*Wakabidhiwa zawadi zao na Rais Kikwete

Na Mwandishi Wetu

WIZARA ya Elimu na Mafunzo ya Ufundi, imewatangaza wanafunzi 12 bora waliofanya vizuri katika mtihani wa kidato cha nne mwaka jana, huku msichana Evelyne Lupimo, kutoka Shule ya Sekondari ya Mtakatifu Francis, Mbeya, akishika nafasi ya kwanza na kuzawadiwa Sh800,000.

Akitangaza wanafunzi hao Ikulu jana, ambako walikwenda kupongezwa na Rais Jakaya Kikwete wakiambatana na wazazi na walimu wao, Waziri wa Elimu na Mafunzo ya Ufundi, Margareth Sitta, alisema wanafunzi hao walipata alama za juu kuliko wengine.

Sitta alisema wanafunzi hao wako kwenye makundi manne; wanafunzi watatu wasichana waliofanya vizuri zaidi kutoka shule za serikali na wengine watatu kutoka shule zisizo za serikali. Pia wapo wanafunzi watatu wavulana kutoka shule za serikali na watatu kutoka sekondari zisizo za serikali.

Wasichana watatu waliofanya vizuri zaidi kutoka sekondari zisizo za serikali ambao wote wametoka Sekondari ya Mtakatifu Francis, Mbeya, ni Lupimo, Erika Kafwimi na Ines Muganyizi.

Wavulana kutoka kundi hilo ni Invokafti Munisi (Agape); Abraham Mgowano (Loyola) na Claverfred Mhidze (Mtakatifu Joseph Kilocha).

Wasichana kutoka sekondari za serikali ni Sarah Wangilisasi (Kilakala), Naomi Elibariki (Jangwani) na Hellena Mnegena (Msalato). Wavulana waliofanya vizuri kutoka sekondari za serikali ni Shaaban Yusuph (Tanga), Mwasapi Kihongosi (Kibaha) na Mandela Makalala (Arusha).

"Ufaulu wa wanafunzi hawa ni wa kujivunia wenyewe, familia zao, shule zao na taifa kwa jumla. Wamefanikiwa kupata alama za juu zaidi katika masomo yao yote. Tunaamini matokeo haya mazuri yametokana na juhudi yao kubwa katika masomo, kazi nzuri ya walimu na msaada waliopata kutoka kwa wazazi wao," alisema Sitta.

Kutokana na Wizara ya Elimu na Mafunzo ya Ufundi kuthamini ufaulu wa wanafunzi hao, licha ya kutunukiwa vyeti na Rais Kikwete, pia walizawadiwa Sh300,000 kila mmoja na vitabu vya masomo ya vidato vya tano na sita vya Sh200,000 kila mmoja.

"Mwanafunzi Evelyne Lupimo ambaye amefanya vizuri zaidi kupita wote ataongezewa Sh500,000 kwa kushika nafasi hiyo," alisema Sitta na kuongeza kuwa, sherehe hiyo itakuwa chachu kwa wanafunzi wote kuongeza juhudi katika masomo.

Tukio la Rais Kikwete kuwafanyia sherehe wanafunzi bora ni la kwanza la aina hiyo na Waziri Sitta alisema hatua hiyo imeonyesha jinsi Rais Kikwete anavyothamini maendeleo ya elimu nchini na ishara ya mhimili wa kutegemewa katika suala hilo.

Serikali imekuwa ikichukua hatua za kuhamasisha wanafunzi kufaulu vizuri na wanafunzi waliofaulu vizuri darasa la saba kwenda kidato cha kwanza mwaka jana, walipelekwa bungeni Dodoma kwa ajili ya kukutana na Waziri Mkuu, Edward Lowassa, Spika wa Bunge, Samwel Sitta na wabunge.

Dah... Invokafti Munisi akaja kuchukua u-TO (best student) wa UDSM 2013.
Akamkimbiza Aude Kileo na marehemu Frank Shega.

 

[Zygot]

samvulechole... hakuna hoja ambayo ni ngeni hapa.. madai ya makabila hayo kupendelewa hayakuanza leo! tangu mara tu baada ya uhuru kulikuwa na tuhuma hizo hizo.. so.. there is nothing there..! Hata hivyo hatari unayoweza kuleta siyo ukabila bali ubaguzi, kuwa kama mtu anatoka kwenye makabila hayo basi asipewe nafasi fulani kwa vile watu fulani wanadhani kuna ukabila! Nitakupa mfano, kuna wanasheria watatu wote ni maprofesa... kuna Prof. Mwakalindile (Sheria, uzoefu miaka 30), Prof. Mtimba (mmakua, uzoefu miaka 10, sheria), na Prof. Chanda (Mzigua, sheria uzoefu miaka 5). Assuming maeneo ya fani zao ni sawa, ceteris paribus Rais anataka kumteua mshauri wa kisheria.. nani apewe kwa haki? Wengi watasema prof. Mwakalindile! Sasa kwa kufanya hivyo hata hivyo kuna wanyakyusa wawili tayari hapo ikulu ambao wameshapata nafasi zao, je tumnyime Mwakalindile kwa vile itaonesha ukabila?

Kabla hatujafikia hapo pa kudai ukabila tujiulize: "Kwanini inaonekana kuna wasomi wengi wa makabila hayo matatu Wachaga, Wahaya, na Wanyakyusa"? Je, tupunguze wanafunzi wanaotoka kwenye makabila hayo na kuwapa nafasi watu wa makabila mengine ili kuleta uwiano (parity)? Je tukiamua kufanya hivyo hatutakuwa tunaanza ubaguzi wa kikabila?

Tarehe 9 Disemba 1968 Nyerere alitumia siku ya Jamhuri kuzungumzia "Vitu ambavyo ni lazima Tuvisahihishe", vitu ambavyo baada ya uhuru havikwenda vilivyotarajiwa. Alizungumzia ukabila; kwanza alisema hivi:

"the man who talks about tribalism being practised without having any evidence for his statement is often a man who wants to stir up tribalism. Even if that is not his purpose, the result can be just the same. People will begin to think that there is tribalism, and, once people begin to think in these terms, then tribalism has begun to enter tinto our society"

Kuhusu Wahaya, Wanyakyusa, na Wachaga kupata nafasi nyingi katika serikali, Mwalimu alisema hivi miaka karibu 30 iliyopita:

"..the work of the civil servants and people in the parastatal organizations does require education..it so happened that the Tanzanians who had the opportunity for higher education under the colonialists were mostly Wahaya, Wachagga, and Wanyakyusa. And because most of the education was provided by missionaries, most of these people are also Christians. That was our inheritance. These conditions will change, but they have not changed yet. And for these reasons, when we get rid of the Europeans who were doing responsible jobs, and give these jobs to Tanzanians, the people who get them come mostly from one or other of these three tribes".

Akaongeza pia,

"Therefore, if you ask me why Wahaya, Wachagga, and Wanyakyusa have most of the jobs which require higher education, the answer is very obvious. They were the ones who received higher education during colonial times. I'd say: investigate the position in politics where a man is not asked about his educational qualifications. Look at the Parliament, the National Executive and Central Committee of TANU, and at the Cabinet. How many Wanyakyusa, Wahaya, or Wachagga are members? You will find that perhaps there aren't any, or there are one or two. This is the truth"

kwa umahiri wake wa maneno JKN akatoboa ukweli huu

"Anyone who refuses to accept a very obvious truth like this, and says that the reason is tribalism, must provide us with the evidence for his statement. If he cannot provide any evidence, we must conclude either that he is a fool, or that he is strirring up tribalism deliberately. He is the sort of (a) person who begs work on a tribal basis, and when he is refused because he does not have the capabilities, he pretends he was refused on tribal grounds."

Akasema pia ni jukumu la serikali kusaidia sehemu ambazo bado ziko nyuma kielimu. Na alimaliza kwa kusema:

".. if a Mchagga, a Mhaya, or a Mnyakyusayoung man were refused work simply because of his tribe - when he is capable and there is no other Tanzanian with the qualifications - then we would be practising a very stupid and very evil kind of tribalism such as that which caused the establishment of Biafra. I beg you, my brothers, avoid ANYTHING WHICH COULD BRING OUR COUNTRY INTO THIS KIND OF DISGRACE" (emphasis mine)
(From: Uhuru na Maendeleo pp 76,77)

so what say you?

Ni siku nyingi lakini kuna wakati tunalazimika kusema. Mfano wako wa uzoefu wa mika 30, 10, 5, nk. hauna maana sana! Kuna vigezo vya ziada yabidi uviangalie pia. Uzoefu wa mwaka mmoja unatofautiana na ule wa miaka 10 lakini siyo lazima uzoefu wa miaka 30 utofautiane na miaka 10. Ukitaka kisingizio cha upendeleo, utatumia vigezo dhaifu kama hivyo, lakini ni upuuzi kujaza kabila moja kwa kujidai eti sifa na uzoefu mkubwa wakati kihalisia utendaji hautofautiani.

 

[Stroke]

Wamesahau na Tanesco kwenye hiyo orodha.