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ati liverpool ina mataji 19 ya ubingwa?
Sababu ya Man Utd kubebwa hii hapa
Sababu ya Man Utd kubebwa hii hapa
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Huu utafiti wako una data mushkeli kabisa. Hebu soma wa mwenzio huyu (samahani kwa lugha tofauti)
To begin with, I , being a die-hard Arsenal fan might get stick from gunners supporters for writing up this article.But being a football fan too i write on things the way i see it.It is not being written to compare clubs with United etc.I believe praise is due for Manchester United's success and no one can hide away from that fact.
We can not deny that Manchester united has been the most successsul club in the Premier League over the past decade.They have won count-less number of trophies and almost all the trophies available out there to win.While the trophies which they have won over the past few years they have full deserved it, the secret of their success over the past three or four seasons even when they have not being playing at their best is down to key factors some of which will be explained below.However last season was not such a good season but again they were the closest challengers to Manchester City.
I have come up with possible reasons as to why Manchester United have been the most successful club in the past decade.
1) Fergie,his coaching and the tactics he employs.
Sir Alex Ferguson, undoubtedly is the best manger to have graced the Premier League.He is currently the longest serving manager in history after over-taking Sir Matt Busby's record on 19th December 2010.He has been in-charge of United for 25 years now and is currently the longest serving League manager followed by Arsene Wenger of Arsenal.He has won the Manager of the Year awards most times in British football history.Under his tenure United has won a whopping 12 Premier League titles including a hat-rick of league titles in the seasons 2006-2007,2007-2008,2008-2009 and recently 2010-2011.His team has won a total of 6 Premier League titles in the past decade,4 League Cups from which three having been won in the past decade.5 Fa Cup's have been won from which 1 Fa Cup in the current decade,a total of 2 Champions League from which one of them comes from the current decade and 1 Fifa Club World Cup in 2008.His success speaks volumes about his coaching and players like D.Beckham,G.Neville,Roy Keane who have left the club still speak highly of him.He gets along well with his players who always speak highly of him and maintains strict discipline combined with giving players their own space which enables him to maintain good relationship with his players.However he is reported to have gotten "crazy" at times when his players are not performing well, especially during the half-time interval when he gives a lot of stick to his players as he gets angry if his players are not performing well..The tactics employed by this "great manager" are versatile,with the same footballing style adopted throughout every match but making changes here and there according to the opponents his team is facing and situation at that current moment.He is never shy of making bold substitutions and always speaks his mind in all his conferences.Even Jose Mourinhowho criticized every other manager in the league had praise for the success he had achieved over the years.
He is probably the most important reason for United's success.
2) Winning mentality amongst the whole squad.
Having have had so much success, the team has embedded a winning mentality which is very crucial for the team's continued success.Players likeVidic,Ferdinand,Rooney,Evra,Giggs are all used to winning things at Manchester Unitedand when any new signing arrives at the club they share their experience with the the new players and the new players thus develop the winning mentality ever so quickly.Even when things are looking impossible, this mentality drives them to compete much harder in order to achieve the impossible in many cases, example whenever United has been under the pressure to win their crucial game against their rivals which may decide the title,they thrive under that pressure and most often than not come out on top due to their winning mentality and do not crack under pressure.
3) Mentally and physically strong even when the chips are down(Never say die-attitude)
Manchester United have always been a team who has and always have had players who are mentally and physically strong.For example the likes of Rooney,Giggs,Roy Keane,VanNistelrooy,Scholes,Vidic and many others.Neither of them are afraid to "mix it up" and neither of them shy away from different battles that arise on the pitch.They always show their opponent through their body language and attitude that no-body can take them easy and are always up for a fight.Obviously they don't win always,but again obviously it's impossible to win every time.Last year when United did not have a strong enough squad with their midfield being weak and injuries taking their toll, they still manged to finish second to city.At one time they were twelve points behind City and later went on to overtake City in the latter stages of the season which was incredible to say the least.Nobody had thought that United would edge ahead of City as it seemed inevitable that City would win the Premier League title.However United eventually lost out on the last day of the season in absolutely "dramatic" fashion due to the drama that unfolded on the last day.However the way United kept going speaks volumes of their "mental toughness".
4) A squad with enough depth and quality
Manchester United always seem to have a squad which has enough depth,experienceand quality combined to challenge for all the top honours.These three traits are a must for any club who wants to win the Premier League.For example, when A.Valencia was injured last season Nani was available,the likes of Welbeck and Hernandez fighting for the starting place and P.Jones helping United to an extent to cope with the absence of Rio ferdinand.United always seem to have the players who can cover for injured players or perform when the other players are not in form.Remember Berbatov scoring important goals when Rooney was not in form,Giggs who does not even play every match due to his age but his crucial goals in the 2010-2011 season and seasons before that have helped United win the title and not to forget Macheda whose remarkable goal two years back helped United to win the title but still the boy has not been a regular in the side since then speaks volumes of the squad depth and quality United have always had.With the likes of Scholesand Giggs around and if they can get a good midfield player they can re-claim the trophy which they lost last season to City.
5) Having Players like Vidic,Rooney,Scholes,Giggs
Having the privilege of having players like Giggs and Scholes at your club makes the task of achieving success at your club much easier.The wealth of knowledge these two have, the experience they provide United in tight games and also the experience they share with the younger players at the club is immense.Both these Manchester United's legends although not as good as they used to be have provided the experience,goals and assists which has helped United to a hat-rick of Premier League titles.Giggs as we know is often called "Mr.Premier League".He is currently the most decorated player in English football history and has remained at Manchester United throughout his career which speaks highly about his loyalty to the club,all this at a time when loyalty is pretty much dead in football.Rooney has always been one of United's most popular players.In recent seasons he has also grown as a person and his goals tally for the club 129 goals in 251 appearances speaks itself about his immense talent and contribution he has made at the club.His contribution has been as significant as the likes of Ferdinand,Giggs and others in helping the club achieve the amount of success they have had over the years.One other player who also deserves a mention is Vidic,the back bone of United's defense.He is a strong,quick defender who reads the game well and has also helped United achieve all the Premier League title success since his arrival in 2006.His importance in the team is so much that when he became injured last season, part reason for United not winning the title was his absence and United that season conceded more goals than they used to.He is one of the best defenders in the world also having won the Premier League "Player Of The Year" in 2010-2011 when he helped his team win the title and led from the front.He will be crucial to United's run-in this season.
Every season is a different one and the past record does not decide the outcome of the current season just like City proved last year.So let's see what happens this season.So what do you guys think?Has Manchester United been the most successful club in the past decade?Do you think their are other reasons as well for their success?
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Mbona hata hapo kwenu Man U mbona kuna average players wengi, au wachezaji kama De gea,Ferdinand, Evans, Carrick, Fletcher, Young, Nani na Scholes wa sasa hivi na wenyewe ni World Class Players?
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Wewe tafsiri yako ya World Class Player ni ipi? Hao wote ni full internationals kwenye nchi zao with so many Caps au uko infatuated na akina MESSI, RONALDO etc? Hata Scholes.....come on! Muwe mnasoma historia pia
Manchester United has always been controversial. The club entered the Football League in 1892 and was almost bankrupted in 1902. It was saved primarily by a wealthy local brewer, J.H.Davies. He had ambitions to create a major footballing power and invested heavily, particularly in the development of the ground at Old Trafford. From its completion in 1910, this became one of the leading stadia in the country, perhaps the most important stadium in the north of England, hosting Football Association (FA) Cup semi-finals and final replays from its earliest years down to the present. Under Davies, the club became known as "moneybags United" and was officially censured by the League and the FA in 1910 for misrepresenting its financial statements.
The club enjoyed League and Cup success in this era, winning the First Division Championship in 1908 and 1911 and the FA Cup in 1909. Between the wars, the club sank into relative obscurity, moving between the First and Second Divisions and failing to win any honours. During the Second World War, Old Trafford was badly damaged by German bombing raids and after the War the club faced a crisis. Apart from rebuilding a team, the club needed to rebuild its stadium. The directors gambled in appointing as manager a leading pre-war player, Matt Busby. He achieved almost immediate success by winning the FA Cup in 1948 and his team were runners up in the First Division on three occasions in the late 1940s. Success enabled the home ground at Old Trafford to be rebuilt by 1949 and finally Busby's team won the League in 1952. Busby also made it "his" club. From the very beginning he insisted on management control, an unusual situation at a time when it was normal for the directors to select the team and decide upon transfers. Before the War, managers were generally more like trainers. A football club resembled a military unit, players taking orders without question from the manager, who in turn received orders from the directors. Busby started the long process of breaking down this antiquated approach to management, and took revolutionary steps such as consulting the team about decisions, asking their opinions generally, and insisting that it was the management - not the directors - who were best placed to make footballing decisions.
After winning the Championship, Busby had to rebuild his team with younger players. The Busby Babes, as they were known, were an outstanding collection of young talent and won the League in 1956 and 1957, a remarkable achievement for a team of players mostly in their early twenties. Manchester United was the first English club to enter the newly created European Cup. It was defeated in the semifinals at its first attempt in 1957 and then in 1958 reached the semi-finals again. It beat Red Star Belgrade over two legs, 2-1 at home and then 3-3 in Belgrade on February 5th 1958. On the return flight the next day the plane stopped to refuel at Munich. Trying to take off in a blizzard, the plane crashed, killing eight of the young squad which would probably have dominated English football for the decade. Fifteen others died in the crash, and Busby himself was severely injured and only just survived.
The tragedy shocked fans and nonfans alike, not just in England but throughout the world. Without question, it changed the attitude of many towards the club and certainly made it a household name. From this time on, Manchester United became one of the best-supported clubs in the country. Busby recovered, and went on to lead the club to its greatest triumph, the European Cup victory of 1968. The squad of 1968 contained some of the club's greatest stars: Bobby Charlton, George Best and Denis Law. By then, Manchester United had become a team of expensive superstars. In the 1950s Busby had built great teams from a limited budget; but in the 1960s he had the luxury of being able to spend money on acquiring talent - and he did so. This latter period coincided with the abolition of the maximum wage and the relaxation of controls over player transfers, which inaugurated the era of sky-rocketing player wages.
After Busby gave up the job of manager in 1971 the club experimented with a series of managers but enjoyed little playing success over the next twenty years. This was the Liverpool era. Over this period Liverpool won 11 League titles, was runner-up six times, won the FA Cup three times and was runner-up twice, won the European Cup four times and was runner-up once and won the UEFA Cup twice. This was a sustained and unprecedented dominance of English football by one club. And yet, despite not winning a League title or European competition over the period, Manchester United remained a much better supported club than any other, including Liverpool. Table 2 compares the ranks of Liverpool and Manchester United in terms of league position and attendance at league matches.
This support was critical to the long-term survival and prominence of the club. Whilst it is true that Manchester United continued to play attractive football throughout its relatively lean years, this alone cannot account for the sustained interest in the club. Manchester United resembles brands like Coca-Cola, Marlboro cigarettes or Nescafé. Although they compete in markets crowded with superficially similar products, consumers have a strong tendency to rely on their established brand image in preference to their rivals.
There are any number of cola drinks or cigarette brands in the world: indeed, in a blind taste test, consumers may be unable to distinguish a cola drink from genuine Coca-Cola, or Marlboro tobacco from any other brand. But the established brand names can still sell at higher prices than rivals and continue to dominate the market. In a sense, this is what Manchester United achieved: despite a lower level of League performance than its major rivals, it was still able to attract more customers than these clubs. It is quite rational for consumers to make choices based on brand image, even if they pay higher prices for the same product. First, choosing a brand name is generally simpler than choosing from a range of similar products in a world where it is costly to acquire information. If consumers had adequate information, they might choose to buy a better-value brand of coffee each week, or choose to see a different football match.
However, information processing is very costly: so it makes sense to go and see a team with an established track record. Few clubs in post-war England have had a better track record than Manchester United, even if this argument was beginning to wear a bit thin by the early 1990s.
Second, choosing a brand name is often a safer decision than gambling on a less well-known alternative choice. Brand names represent a long history of product development and promotion. The owners of a strong brand have a big incentive to try to maintain that image, while owners of products without such an image have less to worry about if they let the customer down. In that sense, just as Nescafé will always be committed to maintaining the quality of its coffee, Manchester United will always be committed to attractive match-winning football: to stop doing so would be to throw away a valuable image built up over many years. To fans considering the choice of club to support over a lifetime, this is a comforting thought.
Third, given that many people choose to support their local team, people who choose a non-local team are to some extent exceptional, and are clearly making a choice based on different criteria. One criterion for such a choice is likely to be history and image. Finally, given that for most supporters there is usually a fairly large number of local teams to choose from, the actual choice of club can be a fairly random decision based on experiences early in one's youth. A decision such as this is likely to be influenced by the most popular team around at any point in time. To some extent, Manchester United is well supported because it has always been well supported. The ultimate consequence of Manchester United's reputation was the ability to sustain itself through the lean years. By 1992 the club had gone 25 years without a League Championship. In a similar position, most other clubs would have suffered financially. Manchester United, however, was still able to spend large sums on wages and, when required, transfers. Of course, brands can lose their value if their image fades, and arguably
Manchester United's image was beginning to tarnish by the early 1990s. To understand how it got back to winning ways it is necessary to look back into the financial history of the club.
Manchester United Ltd was controlled by the Edwards family from the early 1960s. Louis Edwards, a Manchester meat-trader, was an acquaintance of Matt Busby at the time when he was looking for supportive businessmen to steer the club in a way sympathetic to his own philosophy. Edwards was elected to the Board in 1958 and became Chairman in 1962, owning 17 of 4,132 shares in the company. He then set out to own the company. He went through the register of shareholders and approached them one by one with an offer to buy their shares. By 1964, he held a controlling interest in Manchester United Ltd. His son Martin became Chief Executive of the club in 1981. Martin Edwards appeared to have always wanted to make money from United and over the years he searched for ways to realize the value of some of his father's investment. In 1986, the club sacked Ron Atkinson as manager and appointed Alex Ferguson. Ferguson had been one of the most successful managers in the history of Scottish football, turning Aberdeen into a serious rival to the long-dominant clubs of Celtic and Rangers. In his first full season at Manchester United the club came second in the League, better than anything it had achieved under Atkinson. However, in the years that followed things did not go so well. It is possible to understand what happened at United by looking at the accounting data for the first two full (financial) years of Ferguson's tenure.
Table 3 presents the key financial statistics of Manchester United in the financial years 1987/88 and 1988/89. Income at the time was rising, there being a particularly healthy increase in income from commercial activities such as conferences held at the club's facilities. Financially, the main difference between the two years is the substantial drop in transfer spending, from £2.5m to a mere £19,000. Combined with the rise in income, this led to a £3m change in profits, from a £930,000 loss to a healthy looking profit of £2,079,000.
But this also meant that total spending on players fell from £4.9m to £2.9m. At the time the club needed to rebuild its squad following the departure of Atkinson. In fact, the main transfer expenditure of 1987/8 had been £1.6m for Mark Hughes who was returning to United after two years at Barcelona. Atkinson had bought 19 players between 1982/3 and 1986 and had sold four. Ferguson sold twelve club players in his first four years in charge - the only player to survive longer was the club captain, Bryan Robson.
Although Ferguson has paid a lot of attention to developing a youth policy to grow talent in-house, the only significant home-grown player to come through by then had been Ryan Giggs.
Given that Alex Ferguson sold most of the players bought by Atkinson in the previous five years, United were clearly in need of some new blood. However, at the time, the profit-conscious board of directors, led by Martin Edwards, was unwilling to sanction the level of spending that Ferguson had expected when he came to the club. Interviews from the time illustrate his frustration: "I came here thinking I would have the luxury of buying players. I have done a lot of hard work at youth levels but to win the League we need to buy. I'm disappointed I haven't had that kind of money. Liverpool have bought the best and what sticks in my gullet is the difference between "them and us". He (Martin Edwards) is now facing two very tough choices between having a very good team and balancing the books" (Crick and Smith 1989). A
n illustration of the financial straightjacket Ferguson found himself in came in the summer of 1988 when he tried to sign Paul Gascoigne but was refused permission by Edwards. Things changed in the Summer of 1989. Between July and September Ferguson was allowed to go on a spending spree. He bought five players: Gary Pallister, Neil Webb, Paul Ince, Mike Phelan and Danny Wallace for somewhere in the region of £8m, an astronomical outlay for the time. That season the club spent £5.2m net on transfer fees. Why the change of heart?
The simplest explanation is that Edwards had decided to sell the company. Having already found a buyer and struck a deal, in May Edwards felt obliged to deny that he was interested in selling the club, so strong were the rumours that he was trying to do so. Yet on August 18th it was announced that Michael Knighton would buy the club for £20m. Ironically, the bid fell through in October because Knighton could not raise the money, but not before Ferguson had been able to complete his purchases.
Despite having signed a new three-year contract in September, Ferguson was clearly under pressure to prove that he could achieve something after all this expenditure. The season did not start particularly well. A 5-1 defeat by Manchester City was followed by a string of draws in the League and it was widely said that Ferguson would have been fired had they lost a third round FA Cup tie against Nottingham Forest in January 1990. By February the club was falling into the relegation zone and only continued participation in the FA Cup stopped the pressures mounting further.
In the end, the club managed to finish only 13th in the League that season. However, none of that mattered because Ferguson finally won the club a trophy, if only just: drawn away from home in every round, the club won the 1990 FA Cup against Crystal Palace in a replay after a 3-3 draw. (United was actually 3-2 down in extra time - had the match been lost, it seems unlikely that Ferguson would have survived another season.) From this point onward, Manchester United returned to winning habits, and Ferguson's position was secure: the club won the European Cup Winners' Cup in 1991, the League Cup in 1992 and - most important of all - the inaugural Premier League Championship in 1993; it then won four of the first five Premier League Championships as well as two more FA Cups.
It was the transfer spending in the summer of 1989 that marked the watershed for the club, in particular the acquisitions of Pallister and Ince, who formed the backbone of the team over the coming years. While Ferguson had wanted to buy in the market for some time, it seems that it was only the miscalculations of the Knighton takeover bid that freed him from the financial constraints.
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Labda nikuongezee kabisa kuwa David Dein wa Arsenal ameshawahi kuwa kwenye board ya FA, na Rick Parry kama sikosei wa Liverpool. Lakini wote hawajawahi kuwa vice chairman. Na sasa Gill anataka kuwakilisha FA huko EUFA. Je, ye na Man u ndo wanaonewa peke yao? Hapana, kuna kitu na data zinaeleza. No transparency in refs selection, angewajibika tu kuonyesha kuwa hawahusiki. Na kwa kifupi hata angeshika nani hiyo post, ni mfumo mbovu wa utawala kwa CEO kuwa Vice Chairman wa board ya chama cha mpira wa hiyo nchi. Na sasa anataka kusogea Ulaya, tutarudi humu kuambiana.
Kuhusu Liverpool, pamoja na makosa yake mengine uwanjani na nje ya uwanja, ilipoanza kuamka na kuanza kuwa tishio tena ikasaidiwa kurudi chini,
Angalia wakati Liverpool imeamka, akaanza kulalamika kupangiwa game mfululizo za mchana (labda ilitokea tu), na maamuzi, na uhusiano wa Man U na FA. Hakupata msaada ila hizi ni baadhi ya data
Liverpool walipoteza michezo 14 ya ligi msimu wa 2010/11 zilizochezeshwa na marefa 10 tofauti. Refa mmoja tu ndo alikaa muda mrefu bila kuchezesha mechi yao. Ni Michael Oliver ambaye alichezesha mechi ya kwanza ya Kenny Dalglish ya ligi, ambayo aliwashinda blackpool. Huyu refa akakaa miezi 11 bila kugusa tena mechi ya Liverpool.
Marefa wengi ambao walichezesha mechi za liverpool na liverpool ikafungwa, walipewa mechi nyingine za liverpool baada ya muda mfupi tu. Howard Webb, adui mkubwa wa Liverpool, alishika game ya liverpool ikicheza na Chelsea, wiki chache baada ya kuchezesha mechi ambayo Liverpool ilifungwa na Everton.
Msimu wa 2009/10, Rafa Benitez aliwakosoa marefa wawili waliochezesha mechi za liverpool. Phil Dowd aliyechezesha game ya Liver akifungwa na spurs na Lee Mason aliyetoa kadi 2 nyekundu wakati liverpool ilipochapwa na Fulham goli 3-1. Marefa wote hao wakaja kuchezesha mechi za Liverpool muda mfupi ujao. Na katika hizo game zilizofuata, Mason akampa Mascherano red Liverpool ikichapwa, na bado akapewa game nyingine tena wiki chache zijazo. (hii ni coincedence tena au?).
Hivi unafikiri Kenyon angeshindwa kweli siasa za mpira wa uingereza wakati ametoka Man Utd na alikuwa anaijua vizuri?? Nadhani hayupo tena Chelsea hata hivyo. Na unataka kusema nini, kuwa mpira hauchezwi na siasa pia?? Kwenye mpira lazima kuwe na siasa kwa sababu ni biashara kubwa sana, kwa timu na kwa individuals.
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Una mushkeli kwa sababu uko upande tofauti na wewe au?? Alizoeleza hapo zote ni sababu za kimpira ambazo hamna mtu anazipinga. Wala hakuna mtu aliyesema Man U ni timu mbaya.
Hivi, de gea, ashley young, carrick, cleverley, evans, fletcher. ni world class players?? hizi data zina mushkel na nina mashaka kama huyo mtu ni wa arsenal??
Halafu timu ndogo na kubwa, ambayo ikibebwa itabebeka ni ipi? Kocha mkubwa na mdogo, mwenye uwezekano mkubwa wa kubebwa ni yupi?? Mbona huyo jamaa anaongea obvious na hakanushi kuwa Man U wanabebwa. Anachoeleza hapo ni kuwa Man U ni timu nzuri, na ni kweli. Hajakanusha data zangu (hasa kuhusu marefa)
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hakuna chengine na nakubali wewe ni mshindi katika ubishi wetu.........ni kweli kabisa marefa wa uingereza wanaibeba man u
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Congratulations kwa weye uliyenibishia na kunidhihaki......mimi nimekubali kushindwa ila nitayaamini haya daima!
I think a lot of this perception is due to the phenomenon known as "Confirmation bias", which says that human observations are biased toward confirming the observer's conscious and unconscious expectations and view of the world (or, in plain terms, "we see what we expect to see")
I don't think any other club polarises opinion as much as Manchester United does. There are multiple football fans whose support for clubs varies from year to year, but has one common denominator - a dislike for Manchester United. If you add this to the fact that there always are certain dubious decisions in a game, these anti-United fans are quick to term any dubious decision that goes United's way as 'favouritism shown by the referee', while completely overlooking all decisions that go the other way.
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I didnt come with any unproven theory, wala perception, wala maelezo tupu. Nilikuja na data (au facts). Kama unanipinga (na sio kunibishia), fanya hivyo kwa facts, na siyo theory ambayo haina uthibitisho kama hiyo uliyosema.
Au hujui kuwa kuna watu wana expect kitu flani ila wanataka kuprove kuwa wanachoexpect au wanachoona si sahihi. Hizo ni theory tu na duniani hakuna theory inayokataliwa. PROOF ndo mambo yote.
kama uliona nilileta hoja ili nishinde unakosea sana, ni bora kukaa kimya mpaka uwe na uthibitisho kuwa niliyosema si kweli na ndo maana unaona nakudhihaki. Unajua unaposema labda watu wengi wanaichukia Man U, inawezekana ni kweli kabisa, lakini kila mtu ana sababu yake ya kufanya hivyo. Hii haimaanishi kuwa kila anayeichukia Man U eti ni kwa sababu ya mafanikio yake, au tu kwa sababu wako timu tofauti. Kila mtu ana sababu zake. Zangu ni hizo hapo juu na usizichanganye na za wengine wasioipenda Man u kwa sababu zao wanazozijua wao.
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Nimekubali wewe BINGWA sasa vipi tena unakuwa nagging hivi? Yaani nisiwe na msimamao wangu kwa kuwa wewe ni BINGWA? Wewe una facts mimi nina belief (sio theory kama unavyotaka wewe) Yaishe bana tuendelee na maisha mengine. Enough said that is!
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Una jazba. Nani kasema usiwe na msimamo wako. Anzisha thread yako uwe na msimao wako usiopingika. Na andika kabisa kuwa ni msimamo wako na haupingiki. Nilichotoa mimi sio msimamo, hata kama ni msimamo, based on facts. Sio msimamo based on beliefs.
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Tatizo wewe hueleweki. Mara unasema David Gill. Tukikubana huko unahama fasta na kuelezea sababu nyingine. Ukibabwa kwingine ghafla unarudi tena na argument ya David Gill. Kwanza Gill kaingia kwenye board ya FA mwaka 2006 baada ya kuanguka kwa Liverpool. Na success kubwa ya Man Utd ilikuwa kabla ya 2006. Baada ya hapo Chelsea ndiyo ilidominate, sasa Man City.
Argument yako ya Gill ku-interfere aliianzisha Benitez lakini hakuna kocha mwingine alieyemuunga mkono, because it was a very silly argument. In fact he was elected by the other chief executives of the Premier league clubs, including wanaotoka hizo club ambazo unadai wanalalamika Man Utd kupendelewa. Kama wanaona anapendelea kwa nini wasingemwondoa kwenye huo wadhifa then?
Au kwa vile juzi kawa vice-president ndiyo imekuwa shida? Fans have always raised suspicion on referee favouritism against united and Gill's position in FA has contributed to many doubts. It has also been said that ferguson bribes referees and uses Gill's influence to win matches.
The recent ban to John Terry has been attributed to Gill wanting Terry out of United clash with Chelsea which United ended up winning through some controversial decisions from the referee. These things are the one which makes you suspicion of Gill.
Kama vile unafanisha mipira ya kwetu na hii ya wenzetu. They don't work like us ambao viongozi wa soka wanajifungia ndani na kupiga kura mchezaji Fulani achezee timu gain. Wenzetu wanafanya maamuzi kulingana na sheria.
Kama nilivyosema tokea mwanzo upendeleo upo kwa timu zote kubwa hasa zinapocheza nyumbani including Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, etc.
Halafu FA inahusikaje na Premier League?
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huyu jamaa ni mpotoshaji sana, unasema unamuongelea Gill wakat anaongoza man utd na pia unasema Liverpool ilianza kuamka ndio Gill kwa kushirikiana na FA wakaikandamiza, hivi unafahamu unachokisema mkuu? In england football is a 1st lover na media za england zisingeweza nyamazia hili swala kama lingekuwa na ukweli, na england ni moja ya ligi bora duniani kwa sasa na unatambua hilo.
Kilichowangusha Liverpool baada ya kushika nafasi ya epl under Benitez ni; msimu uliofuata wakauza wachezaji muhimu ktk kikosi (Alonso and Abeloa to real madrid and other team) bila ya kutafuta mbadala sahihi ya hawa watu, msimu uliofuatia wakauza Machelano to barcelona bila ya kutafuata mbadala sahihi ya huyu mtu, management problems, benitez most of the playerz aliowasajili hawakuzaa matunda wakawa mzigo ktk timu kama Aquran
So Gill na FA hawausiki kwa lolote kudidimia kwa Liverpoor mkuu
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Kumbe umemgundua huyu jamaa hakibanwa uku anakimbilia kwingine.... yaani haeleweki anasimamia wapi?
Umoja wa marefa wa uingereza umetoa taarifa na kusema utampa support yote refa wao Clattenburg aliyechezesha mechi ya Chelsea vs Man Utd..
Haya,waseme man utd imenunua na umoja wa marefa sasa
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Martinez alipigwa faini coz alishindwa kudhibitisha madai yake au wewe ulifikiri FA ni kama TFF (viongozi wanajifungia ndani alafu wanapiga kura mchezaji huyu achezee simba na huyu achezee yanga), Lol
Timu yako ya Liverlooser wachawi ni nyinyi wenyewe na sio Gill, Ferg wala man utd mkuu
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mi_mdau and others
m/unakumbuka Ramirez ali-dive refa akampa red card Smalling mechi yetu na Chelsea kipindi cha nyuma? Baadae Ivanovich ndo akaja na kusema Ramirez hakupaswa kudanganya vile? na mechi tukapoteza.
m/unakumbuka Drogba alitupiga goli la Offside wakashinda ligi?
m/unakumbuka Drogba aliwahi kujirusha,Vidic akapewa Red card wakashinda ligi?
Wazungu wana msemo wao ''what goes around,comes around''
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m/unakumbuka Ramirez ali-dive refa akampa red card Smalling mechi yetu na Chelsea kipindi cha nyuma? Baadae Ivanovich ndo akaja na kusema Ramirez hakupaswa kudanganya vile? na mechi tukapoteza.
m/unakumbuka Drogba alitupiga goli la Offside wakashinda ligi?
m/unakumbuka Drogba aliwahi kujirusha,Vidic akapewa Red card wakashinda ligi?
Wazungu wana msemo wao ''what goes around,comes around''
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[h=5]Mike Dean has been appointed referee for Manchester United v Arsenal on 3/11/12[/h]Na huyu kapangwa na Gill kuchezesha hii game?
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