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Hii nimeinyaka huko kwa mzee michuzi,

Nairobian said..

%he so called educated TZ people are treating kenyans as junior partners in the East African union. A few educated Tanzanians like the so called Mashaka john, are spreading rumors and unfounded lies about Kenya, that Kenya will grab Tanzania land, Kenya will take their jobs, Kenya this, Kenya that. This is what we call cheap propaganda and Kenyaphobia in Tanzanians heads. If you have self confidence on yourselves, why fear Kenyans?

A few educated Tanzanians instead of educating their citizens on how to create jobs, they are turning on propaganda like the so called Mashaka John whose main job is to demonize Kenyans. Kenyaphobia is everywhere in TZ because of misguided people like Mashaka. Of course Kenyans are more educated and competent on their job in the entire EA. That is why Kenya is the most developed of all countries in East Africa

Tanzania and Burundi are the least developed, and being in the same union with Kenya, TZ has a chance of being a regional number two. Once we have one currency or our countries are united, most likely, Kenya will export its educated labor force to help Tanzania develop its own talents and resources. The first EAC died because Nyerere and Iddi Amin did not want to listen to Kenyatta good advice and these people living in exile with Iddi Amin mentality should not dictate your future

TZ are good neighbors and should avoid Mashaka john's cheap propaganda. This cult-like leader who has built huge blind following is not a hero as some see him. He is a propagandist like any other politician. He is not a Tanzanian after all; he is a Hutu and former refugee who once lived in a refugee camp in Kenya during his early (90's) teenage years. He is trying to exploit his political ambitions by making Kenyans look evil. He has been Tanzania attack dog against Kenya which is not good in our relations.

Mashaka was pointless in his arguments. His victory was mastery of English, which Kenyans taught him and that is the only praise he can get. John and his followers know that it will be better for Tanzania to allow Kenya farmers help develop its land than let the Chinese and Arabs grow food and fuel for their countries.

What is happening in Europe is because they borrowed too much. In East we don't borrow especially in Kenya we don't depend on foreign aid. Single currency is good for our economies because it will make our countries compete with the USA and EU in trade. We will have negotiations power in trade and militarily we will. Our TZ friends should join Kenya so they can also learn from Kenya's 2030 vision which will make the EA like Switzerland. Tanzania is on the losing end if it can follow people like these with their own political agenda

Nairobian

Source MICHUZI: Hoja ya haja: Mjadala wa sarafu ya afrika mashariki.

CHANZO Cha Ugomvi

Re:
John Mashaka: East Africa is not ready for a common currency
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 04, 2012

Adoption of a common currency in the East African Federation seems inevitable based on the intense discussions and movements on the ground. As citizens and stake holders in the federation, we have a civic duty to advice and even challenge our governments when their actions seem to be going off-course. Catastrophic political and economic consequences underneath the monetary consolidation have particularly compelled me to trumpet my fear much louder in anticipation that our leaders will hear our voices.


I am not trying to paint a dooms day economic scenario; I am rather, trying to reiterate the reality from today's vantage point. In short, our countries are not ready for monetary integration due to the severe and serious political and economic differences that needs to be harmonized. Kenya for example is in a serious political transition following its 2007 elections chaos. Its constitutional implementation has a long way to go before the country could see political stability. Tanzania on the other hand is battling its integration (Tanganyika and Zanzibar) headache, whose fate is not known.


The countries have different economic policies and challenges. Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Tanzania are facing enormous economic difficulties of their own including varying inflation rates. Based on Tanzania Bureau of Statistics, the country's inflation rate as of October 2012 stood at 12.9%. That of Burundi is almost 18% while Rwanda's stand at around 5.8%. In other words, to have a safe and stable currency, inflation in respective countries must stay in the range of 1.5 % through 3.0%. These numbers acceptable in the economic circles, are unlikely to be attained in the current status of affairs within the region

East African member nations are immensely divided on Immigration issues. While Rwanda has opened its doors to regional immigration, In order to tame unemployment, Kenya and Tanzania have made it exceptionally difficult for foreigners to obtain resident and work authorization. Tanzania work permits are extremely costly, while Kenya permits are straight discriminative, requiring applicants to be 35 years of age, and be able to make at-least $24,000 a year. These are serious policy differences likely to hamper a smooth monetary consolidation between the member states

The initial East African Community quickly crumbled upon its creation, simply because member states lacked cohesion. Frequent feuds among member nations, aggravated by quest for hegemony status over the union, led to the sudden-collapse of the union. Half a century later, our countries are more polarized than they were a few years after their independence. Solution to the instability in the neighboring DRC, chronic corruption in Burundi, tribal and ethnic differences in Kenya both crucial and instrumental factors in establishing a stable currency; do not seem to be in sight.

Monetary integrations require essential harmony and stability in the context of economic, social and political The proposed monetary union is an imitation from the West. Despite the European Economic Community, and now the European Union's fifty-five year existence, its common currency, the Euro, only came into existence seventeen years ago. And out of the twenty-seven member countries, only seventeen member states adopted the EURO as their currency. Britain opted out and maintained its pound, and thus far remained out of the Euro-zone crisis.

It took the Europeans hundreds of years before they could form the European Economic Community in 1957, and subsequently EU in 1993. On the other hand, the East African Community was hastily formed in 1967, just to collapse ten years later in 1977 due to serious political differences, which remains unresolved. In retrospect, watching the economic tremor in the Euro-zone, one will logically question whether our political and fiscal leaders are watching the movie from the same screen and perhaps sense something so scary in their forward march into an economic dark-hole in the name of monetary union.


Greece is currently on economic hospice care, and so are Portugal and Spain; requiring the debt laden European Central Bank to bail them out. The Euro-zone crisis has proven to be a great burden and a nightmare to the single stronger German economy. The Europeans have no uniform fiscal rules. Their bond-market enforcers have not always been attentive to enforce the needed rigid fiscal codes of conduct; they have varying risk of sovereign default across the Euro zone. The EU member states have uneven recovery plans, with each central bank trying to maintain laxity in its tax system.

During the formation of the Euro, it designers assumed that, without rules, fiscal mistakes by one member state would impose cost on all. German's initial worry, that unchecked deficits would become a burden on the EU central bank to monetize public debts, and financially sound nations would be forced to bail out the spendthrift and debt-holics like Greece. A prophecy that came to be Germany's nightmare

After more than half a century of fiscal and economic study, the Europeans have no cure to their economic nightmare. The hasty East Africans, monetary union is a catastrophe in the making because its member countries have no clear fiscal policies to save their hailing, donor dependent economies. Leave alone bailing out their counterparts should the Euro-zone style fiscal crisis emerge. In short, the East African Federation is not prepared to handle the bigger problems of bailing out member states in case of financial crisis. Kenya for example will be in position to bail out Tanzania, should her southern neighbor run into a fiscal collapse. Neither will Rwanda

Need for uniform wages, relative to the cost of labor among member nations, under the same currency, is a big challenge that requires many years of study and experiment before it can be implemented. Loss of national pride and sovereignty are other serious problem that have not been fully addressed and requires national consensus or referendum. I am therefore urging President Kikwete, Hon. Samwel Sitta and our legislatures in the East African Legislative Assembly to earnestly deliberate on these facts before committing our nation into a disaster.

The list of potential problems related to the proposed single currency is long. The regional integration should however, continue only, with free movement of goods and people. Until internal political, economic, social division and mismanagement of resources within member states are resolved, until clear fiscal policies are put in place to address all possible eventualities, it will be in the best interest of our respective countries to tread cautiously into this fiscal and economic tremor or a trap called East African Common Currency.



Mungu Ibariki Tanzania
John Mashaka, (Mwanza-Tanzania)

Source: MICHUZI BLOG​
 
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some body get me out of here...mnampa michuzi, kibonde na the sort international platform?Kwanini msiadharaulike?
 
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that is just bullshit..Kenyans are hated because of their hateful attitude, their arrogance, they think they are America whilst Tanzania is burundi..Kenya is developed? You must be outta of your mind. Kenya is as poor as most other countries..You per capita is like 850$, with high food costs, etc..more Kenyans are in need of basic food security than the people in South Sudan. Come back when you have an economy like South Africa to brag about. Come back when your northern region is developed, come back when you don't kill yourselves with machetes..

who the **** told you we wanna see Kenya as our role models? People who are tribalists and arrogant sons of pricks becoming role models? Couldnt choose a role model who was worse.

Kenyans i got few words for you..stay in your m-****ing country and dont come to Tanzania.
 
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something might be true!!!!
Tanzania must be very keen!!!
 
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hawa watu ni hatari
 
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..tatizo ni umimi.

..kwanini tunazungumzia U-Kenya, U-tanzania, etc?

..kwanini tusiwe kitu kimoja East Africans?

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..monetary union in challenges zake na sidhani kama wa-Tanzania, au hata wa-Kenya tuko tayari kwenda huko.
 
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If the formation of the East African Federation failed for "good reasons" raised by Kenya then, and the "East African Community" collapsed because Kenya did not like it until Mr. Charles Njonjo celebrated by drinking the most expensive champagne in the world. I wonder why Kenya gets so obsessed with this community today after trashing it two times in the past and creating unexpected problems to other members of the community while themselves were benefiting.

Whenever I read this kind of C.rap from Kenya, it reminds me of the 60s and the 70s, which I have been trying to forget. If this is the kind of relationship we wish to build, better Tanzania take notice right now, and reverse to KUJITEGEMEA. In today's world, information flows in bits until it fills Gigabits; what we are getting here are simply bits, buts soon we will be receiving Gigabits.
 
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If the formation of the East African Federation failed for "good reasons" raised by Kenya then, and the "East African Community" collapsed because Kenya did not like it until Mr. Charles Njonjo celebrated by drinking the most expensive champagne in the world. I wonder why Kenya gets so obsessed with this community today after trashing it two times in the past and creating unexpected problems to other members of the community while themselves were benefiting.

Whenever I read this kind of C.rap from Kenya, it reminds me of the 60s and the 70s, which I have been trying to forget. If this is the kind of relationship we wish to build, better Tanzania take notice right now, and reverse to KUJITEGEMEA. In today's world, information flows in bits until it fills Gigabits; what we are getting here are simply bits, buts soon we will be receiving Gigabits.
kENYA IS A G0OD friend of Israel while Tanznaia gvt is a good friend of palestina. Who would be bleesed!
 
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kenyatta suppoeted Entebe raids while Tanznaia critisised it at UN, who would be blessed!
 
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I did not know that Mashaka is a former Burundi refugee. I thought he was from Tarime.
 
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I did not know that Mashaka is a former Burundi refugee. I thought he was from Tarime.
Hiyo ya mnyarwanda siyo kweli Ni mtanzania.Mkurya wa Tarime. hizo ni propaganda za wakenya.
 
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Hiyo ya mnyarwanda siyo kweli Ni mtanzania.Mkurya wa Tarime. hizo ni propaganda za wakenya.
Wewe sio Mtanzania unajueje kama huyu ni Mkurya wa Tarime?
 
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kENYA IS A G0OD friend of Israel while Tanznaia gvt is a good friend of palestina. Who would be bleesed!
Mawazo ya kijima haya. Kwa hiyo ili nchi iendelee lazima iwe ' blessed' na Israel? CHINA imepata lini hizo baraka, mbona inakaribia kuipita US soon? Mawazo yenu ya kupakatwapakatwa yaishie hukohuko mnakodanganyana msilete jamvini kwa wanaume!
 
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ccm ndio imesababisha aibu zetu zote. Nani atawaheshimuni kama Waziri wenu mkuu anasema 'Tukiwakamata mafisadi uchumi utayumba'
Tuna kila sababu ya kudharaulika kwa kweli
 
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Ignore those primitive and wicked Kenyans....!

-Na sisi tuache ujinga , tuiwajibishe serikali yetu.Dharau zinazotoka kwa wakenya ni kwa sababu ya serikali ya CCM kushindwa kuweka priority za maendeleo.Hasira zangu dhidi ya Nyang'aus nitazielekeza kwa kipimo hicho hicho kwa Nyang'au wetu wa ndani CCM and her cabal collaborators!

-It is very obvious that we cant restore our pride under CCM leadership
 
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..tatizo ni umimi.

..kwanini tunazungumzia U-Kenya, U-tanzania, etc?

..kwanini tusiwe kitu kimoja East Africans?

NB:

..monetary union in challenges zake na sidhani kama wa-Tanzania, au hata wa-Kenya tuko tayari kwenda huko.
Jokakuu;

Katika haya mambo ya integration ni lazima kuwe na benchmarks. Huwezi kulala leo na kuamka kesho na kudai shirikisho wakati unemployment is rampant, democracy is a new thing, corruption is everywhere n.k n.k
 
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Now you are talking about me. Aren't you?
Kama na wewe ni miongoni mwa wasiojali kuhusu Utanganyika wao na sasa Utanzania wao ili ukumbatie U-Afrika Mashariki kuelekea U-Afrika, ndio nakuongelea wewe.

What say you?
 
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It does not add up to say that Kenyans are more educated than Tanzanians. Indeed, this is ballyhoos and imbicility. If Kenyans think they are more developed, more educated and more advanced than others why should they force others to enter union with them? To me, all east African countries are poor save that the difference is about investment. Kenyans prouding for their so-called development are myopic and megalomaniac. All most of firms Kenyans think are putting their country ahead of others in East Africa are owned by Foreigners not Kenyans. For instance, The Nation Company, it is owned by Agha Khan. Methinks, Kenyans need to know what development means and entails vis a vis their common mwananchi. Kenya leads all countries in East Africa when it comes to having a population of landless people. Again, Kenya just like other East African and African countries still depends on donor money. Where is the develpment some myopic and ignorant Kenyans are touting? Let us sit down and think about how to forge ahead instead of Better Thou while we are all poor and dependent on donors. It sickens to find that those cheating each other to be good neighbours and brothers and sisters are scheming to sabotage other in order to alleviate their poverty. Shame on all such bete noix.
 

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