Mzee Mwanakijiji, Tafadhali...

[Mcharo son]

There is a moral principle that says the end does not justify the means. Morally, you cannot do a bad thing in order to achieve a good result.

While removing CCM from power is a good thing, it is morally wrong to use evil methods to achieve that end. For example, we may not kill them off.

Forming alliances with corrupt people is evil. We may not morally do so in order to remove ccm.

I am profoundly disappointed by what has taken place lately. But I remain an ardent follower of Dr Slaa.

ALSO THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Yaani unaweza kutumikia njia ambazo jamii isikuelewe lakini kutokana na GOOD end results jamii ikakuelewa na means wakazikubali. UPO HAPO. Hao wanaotuumiwa sasa pelekeni mahakamani mnaguna nini. CHADEMA WAMEAMUA that means baada ya kuelewa sasa kusita kwa nn. yawezekana lowasa alionekana fisadi kwa maagizo ya wakuu. sasa kajieleza kaeleweka CHADEMA wamemuona sio fisadi HAPO VIPI. Mlete Chenge nae tutamhoji tukiona chenga tunamtema kwa gear ile ile ya hewani. LOWASA ANASEMA MWAMBA AMWAGE UGALI KWA KWENDA MAHAKAMANI. YEYE ATAMWAGA MBOGA HUKO HUKO. watu chaliii.. kimyaaa

 

[Mag3]

Character X, thank you. I couldn't have said it better. Toka mwaka 2008 naandika humu kuwa adui mkubwa wa taifa letu ni CCM...si Kikwete, si Mkapa, si Kinana, si Nape na si Makonda. Hapana, hawa ni watu tu wa kawaida kama sisi wengine, it is CCM that makes them different from us, it is CCM that transforms them into the monsters we see, it is through CCM that otherwise nice and kind people evolve into ruthless beasts, it is CCM that has turned our beloved country into a jungle of hyenas fighting each other for the pieces of her poor torn body!

CCM has to go first, the rest can then follow...

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Character X, na wengine nimewasoma sana tangu ilipopostiwa mada hii na imenisaidia na inaendelea kunisaidia kuelewa vizuri political dynamism iliyoko nchini. Alichosema GalaxyS3 hapo juu kinatosha kuwatafakarisha kidogo. Kuna vitu viwili ambavyo naona vinaongelewa sana bila watu kuvifikiria sana; kwanza ni hii hoja ya kuwa "lengo ni kuiondoa CCM tu" na pilia "kwa njia yoyote ile". Natafuta wasaa niandae jibu langu vizuri ili niweze kujibu hoja hizi mbili vizuri zaidi na kuonesha ni kwa namna gani zina makosa kwenye msingi wake.

Uzuri wa demokrasia hata hivyo ni watu kuweza kudissent; demokrasia haiwezi kustawi kama watu wanatakiwa kupanga mstari na kusema "ndio mzee". Tuliwakatalia watawala wa sasa hili na tutawakatalia watawala wajao pia. Hatuwezi kuwa watu wa kuitikia ati kwa vile viongozi wamesema. Tuna haki ya kuhoji na kuuliza ili tushawishiwe na sisi tuone wanachokiona wao lakini kama haiwezekani tuna haki ya kukataa (dissent) tukiwa tayari kuishi na matokeo ya kukataa huko. Kwa mfano, Lowassa akaenda akashinda Urais kupitia CDM haina maana sisi wengine tutakuwa tumebadili mawazo na kushangilia.

So, nitawajibu kwa kirefu labda mara moja tu halafu niachane na hii mada.

 

[mdeki]

Kushabikia siasa yahitaji mioyo

 

[carism]

CDM members your leaders might be wrong learn to think for yourself

 

[Kamuche]

Kipya Kinyemi Ingawa Kidonda

 

[cheichei2010]

Kwanza nimpongeze mtoa mada ,amechangia vizuri sana na kuamsha Ari ya wachangiaji wengine.
Pili niwapongeze wachangiaji wengine wote waliokua wanakubaliana na kutofautiana kuhusiana na suala lolote lililo mbele yetu.
Lakini pia kwenye msafala wa mamba na kenge pia huwa hawakosekani hasa ukichukulia wale wanaochangia kama wako face book,na kwingineko kama vile hawajui mustakabali wa maisha yetu kama Taifa ni wetu sote bila kujali uko upande wa upinzani au Twawala.

Niseme tu kwa kifupi mimi ni miongoni mwa watu waliokua disappointed kwa Lowasa kuingia CDM.lakini pia nilivurugwa kabisa kwa suala la yeye kuteuliwa kuwa mgombea.Nikaona sasa ndio upinzani unakufa.

Lakini nimeweka mawazo yote mazuri ya pande zote mbili pamoja niweze kujiridhisha.nimemchukua Character X upande mmoja nikamuweka Galaxy S3 upande mwingine.Kila mmoja ana hoja za msingi.Lakini katika kutafakari nikaona niweke mawazo yao kwenye mazingira ambayo nchi imefikia kwa sasa ,naweza kuchagua upande upi.Kukubaliana na uongozi wa CDM ama Kuwaupande wa MM Mwana kijiji.

Ukiangalia nchi yetu ilipofikia utaona kwamba mazingira hayawezeshi upinzani kuchukua Madaraka mwaka huu,wangejitahidi sana ni kuongeza wabunge ambao hata hivyo hatuna uhakika kama wangeweza pata hiyo 51 percent tunayoitaka ama la.Wakati huo huo tuangalie namna rasilimali zetu zinavyogawanywa kwa uharaka uliokithiri kwa wageni,ili hali hatuna hata sera muafaka zinazosimamia uwiano wa haki kati yetu na wawekezaji,tukiondoa mbali rushwa iliyogubikwa kwenye michakato hiyo,na pia ukiangalia namna teknolojia ya kuvuna mali asili zetu inavyokua kwa kasi,Mf.Kuna migodi tuliambiwa ina deposit ya miaka 30,lakini teknolojia imewezesha rasili mali hizo kuvunwa ndani ya miaka isiyozidi 15.Matokeo yake hesabu tulizopigiwa za kupata matrilioni zinabaki kuwa hewa.

Upande wa pili nikabaki nikiwaza ndugu yetu Galaxy S3 anayotushauri mambo ya msingi kabisa.Kuhusiana na kupotoka kwa chama hasa kutosimamia misingi ya uadilifu,kwa kuleta watu wasiofaa,na kuacha kuendelea kujenga misingi ya uadilifu mpaka pale ukombozi wa kweli utakapopatikana.Kwa kweli hii ni njia panda kubwa katika upinzani ambayo ikishindwa itatuchukua miaka mingine mingi ijayo kujenga upinzani imara.

Lakini iwe isiwe tumewekwa kwenye njia panda ya kufanya maamuzi ,kukubaliana ama kukataa.Kwa upande wangu kwa mara ya kwanza nimekubaliana na theory ya "The End jusutifies the Means".sababu kubwa ni mazingira tuliyo nayo kwa sasa.Rasilimali zetu zinaisha kwa sasa.Hata hapo baadae tukijenga kizazi chetu cha waadilifu hakitakuta kitu.Matokeo yake kitaanza tena kutafuta utaratibu mwingine wa kuja kudai mali zetu kwa waliozipora kwa mikataba feki.Tutakuta tena taifa letu likizidi kuwa ombaomba kwa karne nyingine zijazo.Nimeona ni bora tubaki na tatizo moja la kuja kushughulia uadilifu kuliko kuhangaika na yote kwa wakati mmoja.(CCM na UFISADI)

Mtizamo wangu ni "half a thing,is better than nothing" Ni heri kupata kidogo kuliko kukosa kabisa.Tuunganisheni nguvu CCM itoke tu define upya.Hapo CCM nayo itaanza kujisafisha kwa kubaki na wale wenye moyo safii.Upinzani wakifanya tofauti tutawatoa kirahisi kuliko ilivyo kwa CCM sasa,ni ngumu sana.

 

[Mutakyamirwa]

Nimesema na kuandika hapa jf mara nyingi kuwa ilipotufikisha ccm ni vyema kutumia silaha yoyote kuindoa ccm. Nimewai kuandika pia ccm haiko tayari kutoa madaraka ya kidola kwa vyama pinzani....na wametamka hivyo si mara moja au mbili....

Ktk mazingira hayo chadema imesoma harama za nyakati.....rejea aliyoyasema Mh Mbowe akimwambia Lowasa...."huku itakubidi uvumilie maana hata mabomu upigwa kidogo...labd wanaweza kukuheshimu maana kuna vijana wako...;

Kama EL anateuliwa kupeperusha bendera ya ukawa...basi kutakuwa na sababu za kipekee ukilinganisha na wengine akiwemo Dr. Slaa. Ninauhakika Dr. alikuwa mshindi 2010...hakutatangzwa mshindi.....ikitokea EL ni mshindi...kwa vyovyote vile atatangazwa. Kwanza anajua mbinu za wizi wao, pili ana nguvu za kidola (indirectyly).

Nimapema u_ccm kumtoka ila naamini busara za viongozi wa ukawa zitatumika ktk kutengeneza na kusuka upya serikali ijayo. Ushindi wa EL kama akiteuliwa na chadema hautakuja kwa kuwa atatmia pesa nyingi, la hasha! Ni kwa kuwa watanzania wanahitaji mabadiliko. Asahau kabisa uccm....hata ktk uteuzi wa ngazi zote za serikali akubali mpango mzima wa ukawa.

 

[Mtimbo]

Let me start with that which is something am sure you believe in (Principle), expanding on it gives;

The moment you begin thinking of ways to get "easy wins" is the moment you become corrupt!

Now that is a fact and that is exactly what is happening with CDM and this Lowasa thing. Look for an easier way to win whatever the cost. That guy on your profile picture, do you know who was his opposite during his time? Malcom X. They all wanted the same thing but they had fundamental differences in the principals on how they are going to get there. Malcom X believed on the whatever it takes approach while that guy on the picture believed on taking the morally correct path to victory however hard that path.

In these few days, CDM has successful managed to transform their mission from delivery of a better, democratic and fair Tanzania to take CCM out whatever the cost and worry about tomorrow when tomorrow gets there. While that may turn good (and MM finished his post saying, "i remain a skeptic"), but with invitation of Lowasa you are guaranteed for a CCM like tomorrow or most likely worst.

What makes Lowasa powerfull is what comes with Lowasa. And that is TeamLowasa and every other shady character that CDM has ever pointed finger at. You don't just get Lowasa, you get all of that. That becomes part and parcel of a democratic CDM. A new CDM member and an old CMD member all have the same rights. And these people are not your regular CMD members, these are guys that can exert a significant influence and they are coming in CMD in a position of power. They are not being helped by CDM, they are helping CDM take on CCM.

Once Lowasa is president, he is president. Do you even know the kind of power a president of this country has? To think that CDM will be able to control him through party meetings is simply being naive! There is a right and wrong way of doing things, that is a fact. Getting bad people to fight other bad people for you is a good strategy except that keeping the bad people as your leader as they defeated the other bad people is simply suicidal.

I have read some other arguments that, this is just to change the political dynamics and prove that a ruling party can be replaced in TZ. But that is simply explaining hard issues with simple whatever fits answers (the ones that CCM ministers always gives in the parliament). You cant just turn the future of the entire nation into a big SOCIAL EXPERIMENT and see how it goes!!! And to expand on that, this kind of experiment has been done before in many countries in Africa with complete total failure. And it is a scientific fact that, an experiment which takes same inputs under the same conditions will ALL THE TIME GIVES THE SAME RESULTS.

What is wrong with People!!!

Godbless you jemedari

 

[samurai]

You have nailed it.
Ukisikia mtu anajidai eti kulaumu CDM kwa tukio hili, ujue ni CCM sympathizer hata kama hajitambulishi hivyo. Ni wasi wasi tu wa kulamba mchanga.
Decision hiyo imeelezwa vizuri sana na Mbowe na Tundu Lisu.

Mbowe na tundu lissu si malaika au miungu mzee,, wanapoongea huwa unapima na kujilizisha kwanza,, kwa hili binafsi naweza kulipinga popote na bado nikamshinda lissu au mbowe,,, lowassa alikuwa kwenye system ya wezi,,, kwa nini hakuiacha hiyo system hadharani na mchana kweupe kwa kuonyesha uzalendo ila aliendelea kiwepo kwa miaka na karne mpaka system hiyo imnyime nafasi ya kugombea urais ndio atuambie kuwa haifai??? Inamaana yeye alivyokuwepo ni sawa na safi leo hayupo basi ccm hawafai -- moja kwa moja tukionacho ni tamaa na kisasi..

 

[CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHT]

Thank you so much for your good insights on the issue. I totally agree with you that "LENGO LETU KUU NI KUIONDOA CCM" and this is an opportunity we have to take. And for sure, if we let this opportunity goes without utilize it, then, we have to forget about winning against CCM in the near future.

It seems to me that MM doesn't understand the theory of dynamic, especially in politics. I hope he will undestand now after reading your concerns and with regard to situation on the ground.

Thanks and stay blessed.

Unasema LENGO KUU NI KUINDOA CCM, lakini CCM nao LENGO KUU NI KUIPOTEZA CHADEMA. Pia kumbuka kuwa muwinda huindwa! Pia sio kila fursa ni fursa stahiki zingine ni uzushi.... LOWASSA ni Waziri Mkuu mstaafu ambae kwa mujibu wa sheria ya Tanzania hulindwa na usalama wa wataifa kwa kipindi chao chote cha maisha. Hivyo hii ni binu nanifursa kwa CCM kuipoteza CHADEMA kwa kumtumia LOWASSA ambeye ameenda CHADEMA kimkakati.

 

[Mutakyamirwa]

GalaxS3 has a point but I do not see his proposed solution....rather he stimulates fear of remaining undecided/ neutral....

 

[Ernesto Che]

Mzee Mwanakijiji yupo sahihi kutokukubaliana. Ni mtu mwenye maadili. Ni nyie wezi wachache ndiyo mtakubali huu uchafu wa Mbowe.

Na kingine Kwa sera ya UKAWa ya kusema wanataka kuondoa CCM ni moja ya kitu kijinga kabisa kwani CCM watapata kitu cha kuongelea. In short UKAWA wamebugi. This is the greatest downfall of a political party. Na Kwa wanavyosema huu mpango umeratibiwa na Apson akishikiana na akina Mabere Marando bila CHADEMA kujua, na ndipo mtakapotambua ubaya wa system.

CCM chini ya mtu mwadilifu Magufuli wanayo nafasi ya kujijenga. Kumbuka kipindi cha Benja CCM iliimarika, ni kipindi hiki tu cha JK aliyeingia Kwa rushwa tumeona upinzani unakomaa, ila naamini JK aliliona hilo ndiyo maana akamtosa Lowassa.

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Hayo ni maoni yako na una haki ya kuyatoa. Ila siamini kama uko sahihi, sisi tunaona ni turufu mujarabu kushinda uchaguzi huu. CCM wanahaha kama haina madhara kwanini wanatapatapa. Big up kamanda Mbowe chadema tupo pamoja na wewe

 

[Mtimbo]

Character X, na wengine nimewasoma sana tangu ilipopostiwa mada hii na imenisaidia na inaendelea kunisaidia kuelewa vizuri political dynamism iliyoko nchini. Alichosema GalaxyS3 hapo juu kinatosha kuwatafakarisha kidogo. Kuna vitu viwili ambavyo naona vinaongelewa sana bila watu kuvifikiria sana; kwanza ni hii hoja ya kuwa "lengo ni kuiondoa CCM tu" na pilia "kwa njia yoyote ile". Natafuta wasaa niandae jibu langu vizuri ili niweze kujibu hoja hizi mbili vizuri zaidi na kuonesha ni kwa namna gani zina makosa kwenye msingi wake.

Uzuri wa demokrasia hata hivyo ni watu kuweza kudissent; demokrasia haiwezi kustawi kama watu wanatakiwa kupanga mstari na kusema "ndio mzee". Tuliwakatalia watawala wa sasa hili na tutawakatalia watawala wajao pia. Hatuwezi kuwa watu wa kuitikia ati kwa vile viongozi wamesema. Tuna haki ya kuhoji na kuuliza ili tushawishiwe na sisi tuone wanachokiona wao lakini kama haiwezekani tuna haki ya kukataa (dissent) tukiwa tayari kuishi na matokeo ya kukataa huko. Kwa mfano, Lowassa akaenda akashinda Urais kupitia CDM haina maana sisi wengine tutakuwa tumebadili mawazo na kushangilia.

So, nitawajibu kwa kirefu labda mara moja tu halafu niachane na hii mada.

Mkuu kila la kheri naungana na wewe kwa asilimia zote

 

[Character X]

Character X, na wengine nimewasoma sana tangu ilipopostiwa mada hii na imenisaidia na inaendelea kunisaidia kuelewa vizuri political dynamism iliyoko nchini. Alichosema GalaxyS3 hapo juu kinatosha kuwatafakarisha kidogo. Kuna vitu viwili ambavyo naona vinaongelewa sana bila watu kuvifikiria sana; kwanza ni hii hoja ya kuwa "lengo ni kuiondoa CCM tu" na pilia "kwa njia yoyote ile". Natafuta wasaa niandae jibu langu vizuri ili niweze kujibu hoja hizi mbili vizuri zaidi na kuonesha ni kwa namna gani zina makosa kwenye msingi wake.

Uzuri wa demokrasia hata hivyo ni watu kuweza kudissent; demokrasia haiwezi kustawi kama watu wanatakiwa kupanga mstari na kusema "ndio mzee". Tuliwakatalia watawala wa sasa hili na tutawakatalia watawala wajao pia. Hatuwezi kuwa watu wa kuitikia ati kwa vile viongozi wamesema. Tuna haki ya kuhoji na kuuliza ili tushawishiwe na sisi tuone wanachokiona wao lakini kama haiwezekani tuna haki ya kukataa (dissent) tukiwa tayari kuishi na matokeo ya kukataa huko. Kwa mfano, Lowassa akaenda akashinda Urais kupitia CDM haina maana sisi wengine tutakuwa tumebadili mawazo na kushangilia.

So, nitawajibu kwa kirefu labda mara moja tu halafu niachane na hii mada.

My point Is; Use your influence to the right end... Influence those that believe in you positively.

Whether you were right or wrong I don't intend to arbitrate..

But as a leader you need to know your role, in my opinion you are a better leader if you can keep your people together.

 

[njiwa]

ulitaka watendewe haki ili wewe m-lumumba ikusaidie vip? cdm tusipotendeana haki si ndo vizuri tusambaratike ili m-lumumba ufaidi? m-lumumba unatushauri CDM namna ya kujiimarisha ili tuishinde lumumba?!!!!!!

Lowassa ndo baba yetu, Legwanan wetu, mgombea wetu makini.

ccm mmeshajimix, hatukubali ku fall kwenye provocation yenu, sisi ni makini si dhaifu kama nyie, sisi ni mutoto ya mujini

Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipoooooooooooooooozzzzz........

mkuu vipi mbona povu!! hehehehe

 

[malamula]

Kwa nini mstumie kiswahili lugha yetu, nasema hivyo kwa sababu nashindwa kung'amua maana halisi ya lugha mnayotumia.

 

[The Spit]

Let me start with that which is something am sure you believe in (Principle), expanding on it gives;

The moment you begin thinking of ways to get "easy wins" is the moment you become corrupt!

Now that is a fact and that is exactly what is happening with CDM and this Lowasa thing. Look for an easier way to win whatever the cost. That guy on your profile picture, do you know who was his opposite during his time? Malcom X. They all wanted the same thing but they had fundamental differences in the principals on how they are going to get there. Malcom X believed on the whatever it takes approach while that guy on the picture believed on taking the morally correct path to victory however hard that path.

In these few days, CDM has successful managed to transform their mission from delivery of a better, democratic and fair Tanzania to take CCM out whatever the cost and worry about tomorrow when tomorrow gets there. While that may turn good (and MM finished his post saying, "i remain a skeptic"), but with invitation of Lowasa you are guaranteed for a CCM like tomorrow or most likely worst.

What makes Lowasa powerfull is what comes with Lowasa. And that is TeamLowasa and every other shady character that CDM has ever pointed finger at. You don't just get Lowasa, you get all of that. That becomes part and parcel of a democratic CDM. A new CDM member and an old CMD member all have the same rights. And these people are not your regular CMD members, these are guys that can exert a significant influence and they are coming in CMD in a position of power. They are not being helped by CDM, they are helping CDM take on CCM.

Once Lowasa is president, he is president. Do you even know the kind of power a president of this country has? To think that CDM will be able to control him through party meetings is simply being naive! There is a right and wrong way of doing things, that is a fact. Getting bad people to fight other bad people for you is a good strategy except that keeping the bad people as your leader as they defeated the other bad people is simply suicidal.

I have read some other arguments that, this is just to change the political dynamics and prove that a ruling party can be replaced in TZ. But that is simply explaining hard issues with simple whatever fits answers (the ones that CCM ministers always gives in the parliament). You cant just turn the future of the entire nation into a big SOCIAL EXPERIMENT and see how it goes!!! And to expand on that, this kind of experiment has been done before in many countries in Africa with complete total failure. And it is a scientific fact that, an experiment which takes same inputs under the same conditions will ALL THE TIME GIVES THE SAME RESULTS.

What is wrong with People!!!

Thank you!!

 

[kibaravumba]

CCM Ni Chama Dola!
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Hayo mengine yooote ni porojo tu na matukio ambayo yatapita kama mengine mengi tu yalivyopita lkn mwisho wa siku Bw.Pombe Magufuli ndiyo raisi ajaye wa JMT na zaidi ya 3/4 ya Bunge lijalo litaundwa na CCM!

Kwa kukumbusha tu Wakuu wa Mikoa wote ndiyo Maraisi wa Mikoa, Wakuu wa Wilaya wote ndiyo Maraisi wa Wilaya na hakuna linalofanyika Wilayani kwake bila idhaa yake, Tume ya Uchaguzi iko chini ya Serikali ya JMT na Kiongozi wake anaweza kufukuzwa au kuhamishwa muda wowote ule na Raisi wa JMT, Matokeo ya Uraisi wa JMT hayapingwi kwenye Chombo chochote kile halali TanZania, na mwisho na labda la muhimu kuliko yote Raisi wa JMT ni raisi mpaka pale Raisi mpya atakapoapishwa!

Usisahau pia wafadhili Lowasa kama akina Mengi, Rostamu ni moja kati ya wadaiwa sugu wa Serikali ya JMT!

Sasa kama Lowasa ana uwezo wa kuivusha CHADEMA kwenye vihunzi vyote hivyo basi atakuwa Raisi wa JMT hapo 2016!

Huwezi kutisha watu wazima!

 

[Jay One]

Huyo Mzee Mwana kijiji, tupa kuleeeeeeeeeeee.... lofa tu, hajui siasa, kazi yake chuki binafsi ndio inamuongoza kwa mtu husika,,hasa kwa Lowassa, Mzee Mwanakijiji ana chuki binafsi na Lowassa..

Huyu Mwanakijiji hafai kabisa CDM... yeye
kumpamba tu Dr. Slaa, cjui shemeji yake...?? Very unethical indeed...hana akili kabisa