Mwanakijiji, I think ukisoma vizuri nimeainisha kwenye thread baadhi ya mambo aliyofanya Mkapa japo ilikuwa kwa kifupi (rejea thread). And yes, nakubaliana na wewe kuwa ilikuwa ni wajibu wake kufanya hayo mambo yote........
......in all fairness, Mkapa mwenye (one guy) asingeweza kuwa-monitor wote at once-kiasi cha kupelekea watu waliokuwa wamehadawa na tamaa zao (waliomuona mkapa anajaribu kurejesha nidhamu kazini na kuchonga dira ya uwazi ndani ya serikali) kuanza kuiba haraka haraka ili wapate chao mapema kabla screw haijawa tighten up zaidi (Balali and all other guys/mafisadi, hili unafahamu mkuu).......
Ukichukua yote hayo, kisha ukalinganisha na kile alichokifanya Mkapa ndani ya kipindi cha miaka kumi (japo ilikuwa ni wajibu wake), utaona kuwa Mkapa alijitahidi and he deserves some credit.
Ni vigumu kuamini kuwa mtu yeyote anayeweza kunena haya uliyonena ni mtanzania aliyekuwa akiishi nchini katika kipindi hicho cha usultani wa BMW. Nimepitia thread zote humu kwa mara ya pili na sijamwona mchangiaji hata moja anayekataa kuwa BMW hakufanya lolote zuri. Lakini tukiweka kwenye mizani mazuri ambayo alituahidi wakati akiomba kura zetu na hivyo kuwa wajibu wake na mabaya aliyojitumbukiza kuyafanya nje ya wajibu wake, there is no way we can give him a pass, period.
Kwenye hii mada hatujaribu kumlinganisha na mtu mwingine yeyote yule. Tunachopima ni utendaji wake baada ya kupata ridhaa ya wananchi awaongoze kuelekea neema. Mengi tu yametajwa humu na ukiweza tu kuvua hiyo miwani inayokufanya uone pumba ni machele utakubaliana na wengi hapa JF. Kwanza jiulize, kwa nini tumchukie BMW - wengine all we know about him ni kuwa alikuwa Raisi aliyeua tumaini la watanzania na ambaye athari za maamuzi yake mengine tutaishi nayo kwa muda mrefu.
Wengi wa hao unaowataja ni watu ambao walikuwa pamoja naye katika kipindi chote alichokuwa madarakani. Kuna hizi jitihada za kujaribu kutenganisha ofisi ya raisi na serikali hasa pale mambo yanapokwenda mrama lakini watendaji hao hao wanapowajibika ipasavyo, sifa zote zinamwendea huyo Raisi. Hakuna ujuha unaozidi huu na ukweli ni kuwa THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE PRESIDENT. Wateteaji wa UFISADI wa BMW wasitafute mabangusilo, aliyemwangusha BMW ni yeye mwenyewe na tamaa zake za KIFISADI.
Bongotz,
Hongera sana kwa kuomba msamaha. Umeonesha uungwana wa hali ya juu kwa vile ni wachache sana kati yetu huwa wanaomba msamaha wakigundua wamekosea.
Issue ya Mkapa ni ngumu sana ukichukulia yanayoendelea sasa hivi Tanzania. Wanasiasa wengi sana huwa wakifanya makosa yoyote yale kiutendaji au kwa mambo binafsi, mambo yao mazuri huwa yanasahauliwa haraka sana - Mfano mkubwa ni Tony Blair. Binafsi nisingepoteza sana muda wangu kumlaumu au kumsifia Mkapa maana sioni kama hiyo itasaidia chochote kinachoendelea sasa hivi Tanzania.
Oh, thanks kijana...
Ni kweli: at some point,we need to come to our sense and realize that no matter how fiercely we can debate hapa JR either kwa kumlaumu au kumsifia Mkapa, Kikwete, and those other guys, bado hali ya uchumi nchini itazidi tu-tank, na hali za wananchi wa kawaida itaendelea kuwa mbaya zaidi endapo kama sensible & decisive actions hazitachukuliwa mapema(nasi/wadau tulio na uchungu na motherland).
As a matter of cats, nimeamua kuwa badala ya kuendelea ku-debate hapa JR usiku na mchana (mpaka mishipa ya damu inanisimama), ni vema nianze ku-mobilize watu, tukusanye pesa, then tuanze kuchimba visima vya maji safi mikoani.
As the old saying goes, "words without action mean nothing no matter how you might want to embroider them."
As a matter of cats, nimeamua kuwa badala ya kuendelea ku-debate hapa JR usiku na mchana (mpaka mishipa ya damu inanisimama), ni vema nianze ku-mobilize watu, tukusanye pesa, then tuanze kuchimba visima vya maji safi mikoani. As the old saying goes, "words without action mean nothing no matter how you might want to embroider them."
What is this? Mkuu kila kitu kiina wakati na mahali pake, na kuna msimu wa kila kitu, forum ni mahali pa ideas, kama vile bungeni na kwenye kongamano, huwazi kufanya hayo unayodai bila ya kuwa na ideas au elimu ya kutosha on it, na hapa ndio tunakuja kuchota elimu halafu when th time is right tutayahamishia kwenye vitendo, nafikiri ni suala la common sense tu sikudhani kuwa litakuwa ni suala la kuazna kupoteza muda kuelemishana, au?
Topic ya Mkapa kuwa clean umeianza mwenyewe, sasa unapewa majibu unasema nini tena?
...Wewe unaweza kwenda kuchimba visima huko, hapa kuna watu wakiamua kulivalia njuga swala la maji wanaweza kupiga pressure bajeti iongezwe, wanaweza kuwahamasisha wananchi katika scale kubwa zaidi, wanaweza kuongea na wabunge kutokana na mtandao huu.
Oh, thanks kijana...
Ni kweli: at some point,we need to come to our sense and realize that no matter how fiercely we can debate hapa JR either kwa kumlaumu au kumsifia Mkapa, Kikwete, and those other guys, bado hali ya uchumi nchini itazidi tu-tank, na hali za wananchi wa kawaida itaendelea kuwa mbaya zaidi endapo kama sensible & decisive actions hazitachukuliwa mapema(nasi/wadau tulio na uchungu na motherland).
As a matter of cats, nimeamua kuwa badala ya kuendelea ku-debate hapa JR usiku na mchana (mpaka mishipa ya damu inanisimama), ni vema nianze ku-mobilize watu, tukusanye pesa, then tuanze kuchimba visima vya maji safi mikoani.
As the old saying goes, "words without action mean nothing no matter how you might want to embroider them."
Wewe nenda kachimbe visima tu, utachimba visima vingapi kabla ya kupata kibyongo? Wakati mwenzako balozi wa Canada Tanzania badala ya kwenda kuchimba visima kule kwao yeye ameweka kambi pale Dodoma kushawishi wabunge wetu aendelee kupata dhahabu ya dezo kwenda kujenga mabomba ya maji ya kuoga na kuogelea! Here at JF is were we make politics matter. Bila siasa nzuri na utawala bora watavifisadi hata hivyo visima utakavyochimba!
Asha
One, sikuhizi visima havichimbwi kwa jembe. Teknolojia ya kuchimba visima ime-advance mno (na uvumbuzi wa teknolojia bado unaendelea). So naomba nikutoe wasiwasi kuwa hicho kibyongo hakina ubavu.
Second, mijadala inayoendeshwa hapa JR ni mizuri, ila let's be realistic: do you real think kuwa kinachojadiliwa hapa kina-influence hali ya kisiasa nchini kwa namna moja ama nyingine? No, I personally don't. Isipokuwa, endapo kama tutamia hizi idea zinazoletwa hapa JR (na wachangiaji) na kuamua ku-take action, basi hapo nitakubalina na wewe. Otherwise, it just words. I mean a kind of therapeutic exercise to get anger/hate out of our sytems. Which is a good thing kwa sasa.
Mkuu,
Nimevumilia kuona jinsi unavyotumia kipaji chako cha kuvuruga mjadala na nimeona nami nichangie kidogo.
Mkuu, ulitoa thread na watu wakakuelewesha kwamba haikuwa imekaa sawa ingawa ulikuwa mkali kidogo na ukawa unatoa maneno mabovu, lakini ukaona kwamba wanachama wenzio waliopo hapa JF wana nguvu katika hoja zao na ukakubali kushindwa.
Baada ya kukubali kushindwa ukawa na wazo la ukomavu wa akili na ukaona uombe radhi kwa kutumia maneno yasio busara na nafikiri hata wewe ukashangaa jinsi wanachama wenzio tena wakikusaidia na kukubali upungufu wako.
Sasa naona bado unaelekea kulekule kwenye ile thread yako ya kwanza, mkuu katika thread hii una-apologise au unazungusha mambo?
Hii ni kauli ya Mkapa kwa jarida la kimataifa la Herard Tribune:
International Herald Tribune
07-13-2004
As a leader of a least developed country, I speak from experience when I say that poverty is too complex a phenomenon, and the strategies for fighting it too diverse and dependent on local circumstances, for there to be one silver bullet in the war on poverty. We have learned the hard way over the years. We have experimented with all kinds of ideas.
This is a pragrammatic approach mkuu. Sisemi kwamba hii forum ni irrelevant (hapana), ila nimeamua tu kuchukua different approach. Approach ya kutafuta solutions/take action. Ningependa kuku-encourage wewe na wadau wengine pia muungane nami ktk hili. Coz it seems obvious to me that approach ya kulaumu pekee yake, imeshindwa kabisa kuzaa positive results.
...next time jaribu kutafuta topic safi na uwe na hoja za kui-back up, maana hii uliyojitwika hivi karibuni ya kutaka kushindana na jamii kuwa Mkapa hana makosa, mara mkapa hakuna ushahidi, mara oooh ni matatizo ya familia, sijui kama kweli utafanikisha lengo lako la kuchimba visima namna hii, maana si unaona ilivyoku-back fire!
P.S. Visima lazima ni chimbe mkuu. Sioni kama kuna ubaya ktk hilo.