Membe: Hatutawaomba radhi Rwanda

[afwe]

this is coming from wenje???? one of those classless politicians waliojazana CDM anaongea upuuzi wowote kisa bunge lipo LIVE

Mh! hii nayo haijatulia. Naamini wabunge vilaza wako wengi kwenye ruling party than the opposition. Ila kwa ushabiki wa siasa huenda you have a point to make!

 

[cyberspace]

Rwanda haina shida na samahani na serikali ya ivi

Unawasemea kwani wewe Kagame?

 

[cyberspace]

Ubabe wa kijinga huu.Mtwara imewashinda mnachokoza majirani.
Hii kauli ifutwe maramoja.

Wewe acha upuuzi unajua Tz inavyoathirika na upuuzi wa Kagame? Nenda Kigoma na Kagera utajua, wakimbizi wanaharibu mazingira, ujambazi nk

 

[RUTAJUMBUKIRWA]

There is bad air between the neighbours, which can complicate peace building in DRC. Rwanda foreign minister called JK genocide symphasier and spokesperson of FDLR. In turn, a well-written article was authored and posted by Idara ya Habari Maelezo on the official govt of Tanzania website, before it was taken down, to say that Rwanda is a spoilt child, Kagame is himself responsible for genocide as alleged by French magistrate and UN and that Rwanda is nervous because no-nonsensical Tanzanian soldiers are in Goma to expose Rwandan army involment.

The article also said Rwanda maintains a big army courtesy of rooted resources from Congo. In return, Rwanda has been saying on different foras that the work of Tanzanian soldiers in Goma would be to prop up FDLR! This is dangerous. The governments should promote peace instead of senseless instead of hate.

JK and Membe are seasoned diplomats, they should uphold the tradition of Tanzania of promoting peace and friendship instead of enemity. Rwanda should also learn to respect others and not over react, rather undiplomatically at any negative suggestion.

 

[Msimamia Ukucha]

Tanzania hatuwezi kuomba msamaha kwamwe!!!!

 

[life is Short]

There is bad air between the neighbours, which can complicate peace building in DRC. Rwanda foreign minister called JK genocide symphasier and spokesperson of FDLR. In turn, a well-written article was authored and posted by Idara ya Habari Maelezo on the official govt of Tanzania website, before it was taken down, to say that Rwanda is a spoilt child, Kagame is himself responsible for genocide as alleged by French magistrate and UN and that Rwanda is nervous because no-nonsensical Tanzanian soldiers are in Goma to expose Rwandan army involment. The article also said Rwanda maintains a big army courtesy of rooted resources from Congo. In return, Rwanda has been saying on different foras that the work of Tanzanian soldiers in Goma would be to prop up FDLR!
This is dangerous. The governments should promote peace instead of senseless instead of hate. JK and Membe are seasoned diplomats, they should uphold the tradition of Tanzania of promoting peace and friendship instead of enemity. Rwanda should also learn to respect others and not over react, rather undiplomatically at any negative suggestion.

Ruwanda unpredictable !
hawaeleweki..... lakini WaTanzania tutacheza Role yetu.

 

[Kwetunikwetu]

There is bad air between the neighbours, which can complicate peace building in DRC. Rwanda foreign minister called JK genocide symphasier and spokesperson of FDLR. In turn, a well-written article was authored and posted by Idara ya Habari Maelezo on the official govt of Tanzania website, before it was taken down, to say that Rwanda is a spoilt child, Kagame is himself responsible for genocide as alleged by French magistrate and UN and that Rwanda is nervous because no-nonsensical Tanzanian soldiers are in Goma to expose Rwandan army involment. The article also said Rwanda maintains a big army courtesy of rooted resources from Congo. In return, Rwanda has been saying on different foras that the work of Tanzanian soldiers in Goma would be to prop up FDLR!
This is dangerous. The governments should promote peace instead of senseless instead of hate. JK and Membe are seasoned diplomats, they should uphold the tradition of Tanzania of promoting peace and friendship instead of enemity. Rwanda should also learn to respect others and not over react, rather undiplomatically at any negative suggestion.

Majibu kwa viongozi wa Rwanda toka kwa raia ni haya hapa Rwanda

[h=1]Rwanda's Reaction to President Kikwete's Statement Shocking[/h] Posted on the 01 June 2013 by Therisingcontinent

Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete
On 26 May 2013 in Addis Ababa the UN Secretary General, Mr. Ban Ki-moon and the Chairperson of the African Union Commission Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma, convened the first meeting of the Regional Oversight Mechanism of the Peace, Security and Cooperation Framework for the DRC and Region. It was at this important meeting where the President of the United Republic of Tanzania, H.E. Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete made what many level headed commentators have referredto as candid and commonsensical remarks about the protracted conflicts in the Great Lakes Region. President Kikwete - a seasoned and consummate diplomat who has helped broker many peace deals in Africa - remarked that it was high time Rwanda and Uganda gave serious attention to peace talks with FDLR and ADFrebels respectively. He said, and correctly so, that it was evident the barrel of the gun cannot bring about the ultimate answer as testified by the recurrence of fighting in our region. He never condoned the role that the FDLR rebels played in the 1994 genocide. He was being reasonable and pragmatic.



Rwanda should know better than any other country that there is no way Tanzania would condone or sympathize with the perpetrators of genocide. To make suchinsinuations is, quite frankly, a demonstration of breathtaking ignorance about Tanzania's enviable and unparalleled history - the history of speaking out against any forms of crimes and injustices. Moreover, for Rwanda to make such insinuations is to show just what a short memory span this country has.


Admittedly, genocide brought about painful and unforgettable misery to the people of Rwanda but its spillover effects were felt well beyond its borders. The effects of genocide were felt right inside Tanzania which had to shoulder the burden ofproviding for thousands of Rwandan refugees. By the way, Tanzania has a long history of taking good care of Rwandan refugees both before and after genocide.The sons and daughters of the Rwandan refugees benefitted from Tanzania'sgenerous education system by studying, for free, at the country's Universities and many of them are now occupying high positions in the Government of their motherland.


So given the foregoing, I have to say that I have been taken aback by ourneighbors' over-reaction to what was a completely innocuous statement byPresident Kikwete. Indeed, what the President said could (and should) have been said by other leaders a long time ago. What he said is a no-brainer! It is commonsensical! Negotiations have a much better chance of resulting into durable peace than the use of force. Thus, I find the reactions from Rwanda not only disturbing but also objectionable and utterly impudent! What is even more shocking is the discourteous behavior shown by the Rwanda's Foreign Minister. She seems to be getting too much big for her boots as to suggest that President Kikwete's statement was absurd! She even has the audacity to ask that he should retract it. If anything, I think it is our Foreign Ministry which should summon the Ambassador of Rwanda in Dar es Salaam and ask him to clarify his Minister's inadvisable utterances.

For far too long now the international community has adopted a softly softly approach with respect to Rwanda and this has meant that this tiny country getsaway with literally everything, even murder. Rwanda has become like a spoiled child - untouchable and overly sensitive to everything even the slightest suggestion of censure. Rwanda has a tendency of not taking kindly any form of criticism whether from within or without. And its leadership comes across as snobbish and delusional. May be the western countries' plaudits about its so called success storyhave finally got into the heads of Rwandan leaders so much that they think they know it all.


For Rwanda to say that they cannot engage in talks with FDLR rebels because of their role in 1994 genocide is to allow themselves to be the captives of the past. History is replete with numerous instances of former sworn enemies burying their hatchets and extending an olive branch to one another for the sake of peaceful coexistence and future prosperity. This happened in South Africa where ANC and other progressive movements sat down with the perpetrators of one of the most brutal and inhumane policies in the history of mankind (apartheid) and agreed to work together in an inclusive and democratic society. Similarly, after many decades of committing some of the most heinous crimes against the people of Angola, UNITA is now part of the democratic government of that country. And in 2011, US and its allies initiated direct talks with some elements of the Taliban in Doha (Qatar), if my memory serves me well.
Rwanda should wake up and smell the coffee! Being delusional has not workedand won't work. It is now close to 20 yrs since the 1994 genocide and during all that time Rwanda has not been able to achieve its objectives visa vis FDLR rebelsthrough the use of force. Any sane person in Kigali should see the wisdom of changing the tactic/strategy which is, for all purposes and intents, what our President said in the Statement. Rwanda should understand that by calling for direct talks, Tanzania does not suggest, by any stretch of imagination, that the architects and executors of genocide should go scot free. Not at all! Talks can, and indeed should, offer the mechanism of dealing with known perpetrators of genocide by isolating them from non-perpetrators such as those born after 1994.This is just one example of approaching talks. I am sure there are many others.


But talking of genocide, am I wrong in recalling that even President Kagame himself was once found to be complicit in this crime by a French Magistrate? I recall that Rwanda's reaction to this finding was, as we have come to expect, fast and furious to the extent of severing its diplomatic relations with France. Again, this goes to show that this "spoiled child" can't stand any sort of censure or straight talking. I also recall that as recent as last year a UN report revealed that Rwanda's Kagame had committed or assisted in committing genocide in DRC!
Despite all this compelling evidence, neighbors of Rwanda are still ready to engage that country in talks. Why can't Rwanda show the same attitude? And lest he forgets, Kagame himself and his RPF henchmen come from a background of rebellion. They were rebels operating from Ugandan forests before taking over power in 1994. However, despite their "rebels" status they were invited and took part in the Arusha peace process of the early 1990s.
Finally, I have a gut feeling that Rwanda doesn't want FDLR rebels to go awaythat's is why it is vehemently opposing the suggestion of talks which is one sure way of ending this conflict once and for all. This because, the perpetual presence of FDLR rebels in DRC gives Rwanda a convenient excuse to interfere in the DRC's affairs thereby making the country ungovernable for its own economic and geopolitical interests. I read somewhere that Rwanda's army – which is one of the biggest for a country of that economy and size – is mainly sustained by the exploitation of DRC's natural resources. So, Rwanda goes into the DRC on the pretext that it is in hot pursuit of the FDLR rebels but in actual fact what it does is to plunder the resources.
And Rwanda is particularly angry with Tanzania because by being part of MONUSCO in DRC, its misdeeds will be exposed and curtailed by our non-nonsense troops. So the over-reaction to our President's innocuous statement should not be seen in isolation. It is part of the frustration born out of the uneasy situation which Rwanda finds itself in as a result of our troops being part of the UN/SADC intervention force in DRC.

I submit.


Concerned Citizen


My take:
Ni kweli viongozi wengi wa Rwanda wamesahau fadhila zote walizopata Tanzania (hata Tanganyika) kuanzia 1959 kwa hivyo wamejaa kiburi sasa...!

 

[Andrew Nyerere]

Mimi nawaomba radhi Rwanda kwa niaba ya Kikwete. Walikuwa wanabishana nini vile? Kikwete alisema waongee na Intarahamwe? Waongee nao kama wanataka,kama hawataki ,wasiongee nao. Tuelewe kwamba hatupigani vita kwa vile viongozi hawapatani. Unakumbuka Leo Tolstoy aliandika kitabu 'War and Peace',ambapo alisema,vita inasababishwa na matendo ya kila mmoja wetu. Alikuwa anaandika kuhusu vita za Napoleon. Theory yake ilikuwa kwamba Warusi walipigana na Napoleon kwa sababu Warusi wote walikuwa wanawachukia Wafaransa,na Wafaransa wote walikuwa wanawachukia Warusi.
Hiyo inaendana na Hindu philosophy,when describing Brahma,one of the meanings of Brahma. Kwamba mambo yatakayotokea kesho Tanzania,yanasababishwa na mawazo ya every sentient creature yanayofikiriwa leo. Every sentient creature,including dogs and cats.

 

[RUTAJUMBUKIRWA]

Rwanda wana wasiwasi: Wanaogopa kuwa huenda Ufaransa ipo nyuma ya Tanzania. Ikizingatiwa kuwa RFI ndo chombo pekee kilichomfuata waziri wa Rwanda kumhoji ili kutibua mambo. Then RFI ikamtafuta msemaji wa FDLR.
Ikumbukwe kuwa mwaka jana Membe alitembelea ufaransa mara mbili, kisha JK akakaribishwa na Hollande mwanzoni wa mwaka huu.
Then JK ndo akaja mara moja akaenda SADC baada ya kuona Maziwa makuu wanayeyusha, ku-mobilise. What followed is history! France + Tanzania, Rwanda is worried, very worried, hence their harsh words.

 

[kajembe]

kwani Rwanda kuna kipi cha kujifunza pale?

Majigambo ya watusi!

 

[kajembe]

mbona magogoni kuna MGONJWA kuliko mamvi

Utaweza kutudhibitishia maneno yako?

 

[FYATU]

Unamtukana Mwenzako halafu unajitapa kwamba humuombi radhi!.Chondechonde Membe,Mungu humdhalilisha Mfitini.Muungwana huomba radhi haraka pindi aonapo ujumbe wake umepokelewa tofauti na alivyodhamiria.

.....WORD.....

Kama dhamira ya kutamka hivyo ilikuwa ni njema, Kuomba radhi ni kuonyesha hiyo nia njema.

Lakini kujitapa eti HATUOMBI RADHI ni kana kwamba mlijua Kagame ata react vipi.

 

[babukijana]

Aitaka serikali ya Kagame ipatane na wapinzani badala ya kutumia mabavu.

Asisitiza Tanzania ipo tayari kuwapa ushirikiano kama ikiombwa.

Safi sana.saa ingine viongozi wetu wana akili.haiwezekani umuombe radhi houseboy wako

 

[Kisimbusi]

How was it possible for a "concerned citizen" to access the government's control panel?

 

[MITOCHONDRIA]

Jamaa ni jembe sana.......
Anafaa kua rais ajaye.

Hata mm namkubali sana tu

 

[NOD]

How was it possible for a "concerned citizen" to access the government's control panel?

He is not one of government sponsored journalists and analysts like the one in Kigali and Kampala. He is trying to make records correct. I don't see any traces of government control panel rather than a mwananchi ideas!

 

[lane]

How was it possible for a "concerned citizen" to access the government's control panel?

mkuu Kisimbusi kindly may I say hii comment yao sijaielewa, just for the sake of proper records, come straight tuelewe hoja yako.

Huyu 'concerned citizen' amejaribu kuangakia hii ishu kwa jicho lingine kabisa and I happen to agree and swallo his/her comments.

Ubaya hauwezi kumalizwa kwa ubaya hata siku moja. Kwa sisi wa imani ya Kikristo afanyae hivi is perpetuating na kumtukuza shetani.

Mifano ya jinsi ANC au mandela walivyoamua kumaliza ubaya wa arpatheid kwa wema na mfano wa UNITA wa Angola has just come but very timely and lively.

Jamani ndugu zangu kinachotokea DRC is a big humiliation kwa waafrika, mass killings, chaos and disordered government, exploitation, raping are inhuman and disgrace to an African popte alipo. Yet uwezo wa kusema tukae chini tuyamalize tunayo lakini tunakubali ujinga wa namna hii. Aibu

sasa watutsi wasipotaka kukaa chni na wahutu wa FDRL ina maana kwamba longo kuu la watutsi (ambao ndio wanaongoza serikali) ni 'kuwamaliza' wahutu wote kwenye uso wa dunia. Is that fair? Shall that be the realistic way forward? It is a big NO and NO and NO. Serikali ya Kigali katika hili wamechemsha, ni lazima wakubali kukaa meza moja na kumaliza tofauti zao.

Serikali ya Kigali imekuwa na tabia ya ku-over react especially when angled, diplomasia ya siasa za kimataifa naona zinawashinda kabisa.

I agree, comments za waziri wao wa mambo ya nje kwa Rais Kikwete hazikuwa sahihi na zilijaa utovu wa nidhamu na protocols za siasa za diplomasia.

Rwanda katika hili mmechemsha, think twice

 

[Kiranga]

Mimi nawaomba radhi Rwanda kwa niaba ya Kikwete. Walikuwa wanabishana nini vile? Kikwete alisema waongee na Intarahamwe? Waongee nao kama wanataka,kama hawataki ,wasiongee nao. Tuelewe kwamba hatupigani vita kwa vile viongozi hawapatani. Unakumbuka Leo Tolstoy aliandika kitabu 'War and Peace',ambapo alisema,vita inasababishwa na matendo ya kila mmoja wetu. Alikuwa anaandika kuhusu vita za Napoleon. Theory yake ilikuwa kwamba Warusi walipigana na Napoleon kwa sababu Warusi wote walikuwa wanawachukia Wafaransa,na Wafaransa wote walikuwa wanawachukia Warusi.
Hiyo inaendana na Hindu philosophy,when describing Brahma,one of the meanings of Brahma. Kwamba mambo yatakayotokea kesho Tanzania,yanasababishwa na mawazo ya every sentient creature yanayofikiriwa leo. Every sentient creature,including dogs and cats.

Ganesh,

I count your post as a meditation against war more than an apology.

Kikwete hatumii Hindu philosophy au "War and Peace" kuongoza nchi. Anatumia the so called Tanzanian Foreign Policy ambayo tangu enzi za Nyerere one of it's central tenet is to favor negotiations over other means of settling conflicts.

Kikwete aombe msamaha kwa nini? Kuwaambia mahasimu waongee kutafuta suluhu?

 

[NOD]

Hizo ndio sera zetu za nje?
Nikuingilia sovereignity ya nchi nyingine ambayo tunapaswa kuomba radhi.
Kama Membe ataendelea kung`ang`ania kutoomba radhi,then Rwanda watatangaza mgogoro na sisi kitu ambacho kitashusha hadhi ya nchi yetu kimataifa.
Tuwe wepesi wa kukiri makosa sio ngangari hata kwa vitu ambavyo tumekosea.

Do not misuse "sovereignity" with uhuni unaofanyika katika ukanda huu wa maziwa makuu! We are not supporting genocide or denouncing it! We are asking Rwanda to stop baby crying it and look for lasting solution! We are still nursing the effect of war in Rwanda, Burundi, DRC and Uganda than any country in our region. Wameng"ang"ana kuunda an African kind of sentiment to anti-semitism. Jews are Jews and Rwandese are Hutu and Tutsi. So talk to good Hutu and isolate extremist from both side. I'm very disappointed with the ongoing exclusion policies of Rwanda while painting a fake color on the cover page that they are for national unity.


Imetolewa mifano mingi tu hapo juu kuhusu atrocities against humankind zilizotokea lakini imefika mahali wakatafuta reconciliation na kusahau yaliyopita huku architect wa ujinga huo wakiendelea kushughulikiwa mpaka leo na sio watu waliokuwa mobilized na kujikuta wakipigania ideology Za kijinga! lazima Rwanda ikubali kuwa kuna tatizo la kiubaguzi lenye mizizi toka enzi ya wakoloni na halikuanza na genocide ya juzi! kwa sasa wana opportunity ya kulizungumza kutokana na madhara ya genocide badala ya kuendelea kulilia matokeo yake huku mkiwaweka watoto wenu kwenye hatari na madhara ya dhambi hiyo hiyo ya siasa Za ubaguzi. Hao ambao wazazi wao wamenyakuliwa nyumba na mali zao bila kujali kuwa walikuwa ni watoto wadogo au bado ni watoto wadogo watakuwa wahanga wa siasa Za ubaguzi na kama ushauri wa Rais Kikwete hautasikilizwa, then watoto wenu wajiandae kupigana na hao msiotaka kuongea nao leo! Kiburi na kejeli zenu Za Leo itakuwa ni Killo cha vizazi vyenu vijavyo, maana watoto hao watakuwa recruited kirahisi sana na hao waasi msiotaka kuuzungumza nao leo kwa propaganda za ubaguzi ! Kuna mengi ambayo mnatakiwa ku-sacrifice kwa ajiri ya maisha ya baadae na ustawi wa nchi yenu na siyo kulewa hayo mafanikio kiduchu mliyopata. History is on your side and you have landmarks to show and remind your kids of the effects of evil minds.

 

[Msingida]

Hata kama watatangaza mgogoro, so what? Tumia ubongo wako kufikiri Tanzania inapata athari kubwa sana kutokana na mgogoro wa Congo wewe nenda Kigoma utajua matatizo yaliyoletwa na wakimbizi. Tanzania imechoka kupokea wakimbizi wanaotokana na upuuzi wa Kagame

Kama ni kutumia ubongo kufikiri nafikiri ungeenda mbali zaidi,tunapakana na nchi nane.Kenya wanakesi the Hague,Uganda Mh.Rais amepitiliza mihula,Kongo M 23,Rwanda ndio hivo tena,Burundi nako hakuna utulivu,Malawi tuna ugomvi nao.Tukiendelea na "nchi iliyo mstari wa mbele katika ukombozi wa Africa" wakati ya nchini kwetu yanatushinda i.e Kero za muungano/ufisadi/ugaidi/kushuka kwa elimu/bajeti tegemezi/umaskini/....../
Toa kwanza boriti kwenye jicho lako,ndipo utaona kibanzi kwenye jicho la mwenzako.Hivyo naomba uache kutumia masaburi yako kufikiri na kusababisha nchi kujiingiza kwenye migogoro ambayo si ya lazima.