Kwanini Mungu na Shetani wasimalize tofauti zao?

[Kiranga]

Lets use logic shall we?

Logicaly if A =B na B=C that means A=C hivyo kama
Nyama ni source ya protein na maharage pia ni source ya protein hii ina maanisha nyama ni maharage?

Are they logicaly consistency?

Hapo umefanya kosa la kimantiki (logical fallacy) inayoitwa "logical non sequitur.

Yani, umeunganisha mambo ambayo hayana muungano wa moja kwa moja.

Umelinganisha nyama na maharage kwa muktadha maalum wa protein, halafu ukatoka kwenye muktadha huo wa protein na kuzilinganisha nyama na maharage moja kwa moja.

Umefanya makosa ya kimantiki ya kutoka kwenye mlingnisho mahsusi, ukajitoa kwenye mlinganisho huo mahsusi na kwenda kwingine.

Ni sawa na kusema.

1. Rais wa Tanzania ni mwanamke Mzanzibari.
2. Fatma Karume ni mwanamke Mzanzibari.
3. Fatma Karume ni Rais wa Tanzania.

Premise 1 na 2 zote ni sahihi, lakini, unavyoziunganisha kwenye conclusion 3 unafanya makosa kuunganisha vitu ambavyo havina muungano.

umesema.
1. Nyama ni source ya protein
2. Maharage ni source ya protein
3. Maharage ni nyama

Ukisema hivyo utaweza kusema.
1. Joseph ni mtoto wa mzee Cheyo
2. Joyce ni mtoto wa mzee Cheyo
3. Joseph ni Joyce

This is not sound logic. This is logical non sequitur.

Fallacy of non sequitur | logic | Britannica

Other articles where fallacy of non sequitur is discussed: fallacy: Material fallacies: (7) The fallacy of non sequitur (“it does not follow”) occurs when there is not even a deceptively plausible appearance of valid reasoning, because there is an obvious lack of connection between the given...

www.britannica.com

Non Sequitur: Definition & Examples | Logically Fallacious

Non sequitur: a logical fallacy where the conclusion doesn't follow from the premises. Learn the definition, see examples, and understand why it weakens arguments.

www.logicallyfallacious.com

 

[Scars]

Huo sio uthibitisho wa uwepo wa mawazo

Hata haya pia ni mawazo yako tu

 

[Logikos]

Shetani yupo kutimiza mipango ya Mungu. Ndo mana waislam wanasema kila binadamu ana jini lake ambalo kapewa na Mungu ili linamshawishi atende mabaya.

Mtu pekee anaeweza kumzidi nguvu huyo jini ni mtu anaefanya ibada sana.

Kwa kifupi tunaweza kusema the devil works for God.View attachment 2393850

Sasa iweje shetani aliyemuasi Mungu ambaye amekosana na Mungu akubali kufanya kazi ya Mungu...

Na je hio ya Mungu kuweka kishawishi ili ushindwe mpaka umuombe mara kwa mara huoni it goes against characteristics zake ambazo ni mpenda wote na mwenye huruma ? Ingawa kwenye mpenda wote kuna maandiko mengi yanaonyesha favoritism (je hio ni weakness au strength)?

 

[grand millenial]

Ku prove ni nini?

Unamaanisha logical consistency ina flows au ina flaws?

Kama logical consistency ina flows au flaws, hilo lina prove nini? Lina prove Mungu yupo au hayupo?

Unaelewa kwamba logical consistency kuw ana flows au flaws nyingi haimaanishi kwamba haiwezi kutumiwa?

Unaweza kutuonesha hizo flows au flaws za logical consistency?

Unaelewa kwamba hata kuandika tu hapa JF huwezi kuandika bila kutumia logical consistency?

*flaws na nimekupa swali please naomba jibu mkuu am here waiting for your simple and unambiguous answer just like my simple and unambiguous question ✌️😄

 

[Kiranga]

lets try this

Kama nyama ni source ya protein na maharage pia ni source ya protein that means nyama ni maharage?

Are they logicaly consistent?

Hiyo ni logical non sequitur, umefanya logical fallacy.

Angalia jibu langu post #265

 

[Kiranga]

*flaws na nimekupa swali please naomba jibu mkuu am here waiting for your simple and unambiguous answer just like my simple and unambiguous question ✌️😄

Umefanya logical non sequitur fallacy. Nimekujibu post #265.

 

[Scars]

Kwahiyo kipimo chako kinapima nini ikiwa hakitayang'amua mawazo specifically?

Muda wote niliokuwa nakueleza ina maana nilikuwa naongea peke yangu kama Joker?

Kama maelezo niliyokupa awali hukuyapa kipaumbele kuyaelewa, nini kinachofanya niamini maelezo unayotaka saizi utayazingatia?

 

[Execute]

Asante.

Zaidi, suala la msingi zaidi si mimi nakubaliana na nini au sikubaliani na nini.

Siongelei habari zangu tu. Mimi kama mimi ni mtu tu, naweza kukosea.

Sipendi unijadili mimi, napenda ujadili umakini wa hoja. Kwa kuiangalia hoja, si kwa kuniangalia mimi.

Hizi hoja ninazozisema zilikuwapo kabla sijazaliwa, na zitaendelea kuwepo hata nikifa.
Kwa hivyo, naomba tujadili hoja, tusijadili mtu.

Naongelea fact, kwa mujibu wa kanuni za logical consistency.

Kanuni za logical consistency zinaonesha uwepo wa Mungu bila kuacha mashaka yoyote. Ulimwengu wote unaendeshwa kwenye kanuni za ulandano ndio maana tunao uhakika ikifika usiku lazima pia asubuhi itakuja.. nk

Mungu mjuzi wa yote, mwenye uwezo wote na upendo wote, aliyeumba ulimwengu ambao watu wake ambao inadaiwa anawapenda sana wanaweza kupata tabu sana, hawezi kuwepo, kwa sababu kuwepo Mungu huyo ni logical contradiction.

Hapa umeongea kama vile Mungu ni jamaa fulani mdogondogo. Hapana. Mungu ni mkuu na anao uwezo wa kufanya chochote na kwa namna yoyote anayojisikia bila kuhojiwa na yeyote. Mungu aliamua kuweka freewill na ndio chanzo cha mabaya kudhihirika.

Mimi sijawahi kusema najua chanzo cha maisha, hiyo si hoja niliyoileta.

Kwanini haujishughulishi kujua chanzo cha uhai? Au niseme kwanini hautushirikishi chanzo unachofikiria wewe wakati unapinga vile tunavyokupa?

Habari ya uhai umeanza vipi, katika mjadala wa kuwepo Mungu, ni logical non sequitur.

Hapa sio kweli. Zaidi ya asilimia 95 ya wanadamu ulimwenguni pote wanaamini katika aina moja au nyingine ya miungu na imani hizo zimejitahidi kuhusisha mungu wake na uwepo wa uhai.

Itashangaza kama utajadili Mungu bila kujadili chanzo cha uhai maana concept nzima ya mungu inahusiana na uwepo wa uhai beyond the physical world.

 

[Scars]

Prove kwamba havipo!

Approve vipi havipo wakati havipo?

We ukiambiwa u prove, hana hiyo prove utaweza?

 

[Kiranga]

Kanuni za logical consistency zinaonesha uwepo wa Mungu bila kuacha mashaka yoyote. Ulimwengu wote unaendeshwa kwenye kanuni za ulandano ndio maana tunao uhakika ikifika usiku lazima pia asubuhi itakuja.. nk

Hapa umeongea kama vile Mungu ni jamaa fulani mdogondogo. Hapana. Mungu ni mkuu na anao uwezo wa kufanya chochote na kwa namna yoyote anayojisikia bila kuhojiwa na yeyote. Mungu aliamua kuweka freewill na ndio chanzo cha mabaya kudhihirika.

Kwanini haujishughulishi kujua chanzo cha uhai? Au niseme kwanini hautushirikishi chanzo unachofikiria wewe wakati unapinga vile tunavyokupa?

Hapa sio kweli. Zaidi ya asilimia 95 ya wanadamu ulimwenguni pote wanaamini katika aina moja au nyingine ya miungu na imani hizo zimejitahidi kuhusisha mungu wake na uwepo wa uhai.

Itashangaza kama utajadili Mungu bila kujadili chanzo cha uhai maana concept nzima ya mungu inahusiana na uwepo wa uhai beyond the physical world.

Kanuni za logical consistency zinaoneshaje uwepo wa Mungu? Mungu yupi? Unathibitishaje hilo? Uthibitisho wako una uthabiti gani?

 

[Chief-Mkwawa]

Kwamba njoo kwangu takupa peremende, kuwa neutral usiende popote takuchoma moto maisha yako yote nenda kwa yule takuchoma moto !!, And you call that free will ?!! Hio huku duniani tunaita Intimidation.....

Mungu yupo clear atleast kwenye Dini yetu hajaumba Binadamu na Majini isipokua wamuabudu itakua intimidation kama Mungu anacompete na mtu, hapa kakuumba wewe na anaweza akakufanya chochote unaweza ukaabudu vile vile asikupe hizo benefit anakumiliki asilimia 100.

Pia hata sisi tunajua ukipanda mchicha utavuna mchicha na sio bangi ila what makes us kupanda au kutokupanda !! na kama tangia tunakuwa coded inajulikana hatutapanda na yule atapanda what is difference from his coding different to mine ?

Again unatumia Akili ya kibinadamu, Divine power its beyond our comprehension, umekuwa coded uwe na free will unachagua unachofanya unaweza ukashukuru ama kukufuru, ila ukishukuru Mungu anajua Outcome na ukikufuru pia Mungu anajua Outcome. Thats part ya power za Uungu.

Naweza kukwambia kwamba kuna majambazi yamekuwa majizi kutokana na happenstance fulani katika maisha yao huenda kudhulumiwa au chuki iliyotokana na kitu fulani kwahio wanachotenda leo ni ile incidence kwahio kama ni Mungu ndio alipanga hipo incidence na alijua hio incidence itatokea ndio yale yale ya kujaribiana kwa kuambiana umtoe sadaka mwanao....

Kama ilijulikana kwamba a day before nitaomba dua basi that outcome was not even there in the first place unless otherwise nimecreate that outcome au that outcome was created in that instance..., ni kama mfano wangu wa kucheza mpira kama mimi huwa nafunga magoli dakika za 80 alafu chizi akanivunja mguu dakika ya sabini huwezi kusema kutokufunga kwangu kumesababishwa na mimi bali na kitu ambacho kipo beyond my capacity to change it...

So all these Covid Ukimwi slavery, marginalization ya African Countries ni Mungu alikuwa anaandika maisha ya wanadamu wake ?, By the way mambo ya Gharika, Kukasirika kwamba binadamu wameasi kwanini alikasirika wakati alishaandika au hio page iliandikwa baadae ?

Tuna neno pia hapa duniani la kutokuwa na emotions kwa matukio kama hao..., Again that is weakness na sio strength at all na kukumbuka au kutokukumbuka haimaanishi the deed was good

Na ndio Mungu ameumba na kuweka vyote hivyo Ukimwi, Slavery, Gharika etc, na kila tabu unayopata utakuwa compensated vyote hivyo vimeweka kama Test kwa mwanadamu.

Pia naona mkuu unachanganya Sana Doctorine ya Ukristo na Uisilamu, mimi muisilamu kama ulivyosema juu vyema tutumie logic ya ninachokiamini. Kwenye Uisilamu Mungu haishii tu kama All loving, Unaweza pitia online Majina 99 ya Mwenyez Mungu according to Uisilamu Mungu ni Destroyer, Avenger, Just etc.

Kabla ya Mtume Muhammad imani yetu ni kwamba Adhabu ilikuwa ikitoka papo hapo, wa Sodoma, Gharika, Upepo, etc hao wa Nuhu tayari walishamtimiza miaka yao duniani, hivyo iliandikwa kwenye lifespan yao baada ya miaka hio 1000 uma wao utaisha kwa Gharika.

 

[grand millenial]

Hapo umefanya kosa la kimantiki (logical fallacy) inayoitwa "logical non sequitur.

Yani, umeunganisha mambo ambayo hayana muungano wa moja kwa moja.

Umelinganisha nyama na maharage kwa muktadha maalum wa protein, halafu ukatoka kwenye muktadha huo wa protein na kuzilinganisha nyama na maharage moja kwa moja.

Umefanya makosa ya kimantiki ya kutoka kwenye mlingnisho mahsusi, ukajitoa kwenye mlinganisho huo mahsusi na kwenda kwingine.

Ni sawa na kusema.

1. Rais wa Tanzania ni mwanamke Mzanzibari.
2. Fatma Karume ni mwanamke Mzanzibari.
3. Fatma Karume ni Rais wa Tanzania.

Premise 1 na 2 zote ni sahihi, lakini, unavyoziunganisha kwenye conclusion 3 unafanya makosa kuunganisha vitu ambavyo havina muungano.

umesema.
1. Nyama ni source ya protein
2. Maharage ni source ya protein
3. Maharage ni nyama

Ukisema hivyo utaweza kusema.
1. Joseph ni mtoto wa mzee Cheyo
2. Joyce ni mtoto wa mzee Cheyo
3. Joseph ni Joyce

This is not sound logic. This is logical non sequitur.

Fallacy of non sequitur | logic | Britannica

Other articles where fallacy of non sequitur is discussed: fallacy: Material fallacies: (7) The fallacy of non sequitur (“it does not follow”) occurs when there is not even a deceptively plausible appearance of valid reasoning, because there is an obvious lack of connection between the given...

www.britannica.com

Non Sequitur: Definition & Examples | Logically Fallacious

Non sequitur: a logical fallacy where the conclusion doesn't follow from the premises. Learn the definition, see examples, and understand why it weakens arguments.

www.logicallyfallacious.com

Logical non sequitar ni pale kunapokuwa hakuna relationship between the premise and the conclusion drawn .

Turudi kwenye mfano wako

1. Joseph ni mtoto wa mzee Cheyo
2. Joyce ni mtoto wa mzee Cheyo
3. Joseph ni Joyce

Connection between joseph and joyce ni kwamba wote ni watoto wa mzee cheyo so the final conclusion joyce is joseph sijanua connection kati ya joseph na joyce unayoitafuta wewe ni ipi SEX? GENDER? 😂

 

[Execute]

Chanzo cha life force kwenye any living thing ni Nini? au na Yenyewe ina Roho / Nafsi ?

Wanyama wanayo nafsi lakini hawana roho.

 

[Kiranga]

Mungu yupo clear atleast kwenye Dini yetu hajaumba Binadamu na Majini isipokua wamuabudu itakua intimidation kama Mungu anacompete na mtu, hapa kakuumba wewe na anaweza akakufanya chochote unaweza ukaabudu vile vile asikupe hizo benefit anakumiliki asilimia 100.

Again unatumia Akili ya kibinadamu, Divine power its beyond our comprehension, umekuwa coded uwe na free will unachagua unachofanya unaweza ukashukuru ama kukufuru, ila ukishukuru Mungu anajua Outcome na ukikufuru pia Mungu anajua Outcome. Thats part ya power za Uungu.

Na ndio Mungu ameumba na kuweka vyote hivyo Ukimwi, Slavery, Gharika etc, na kila tabu unayopata utakuwa compensated vyote hivyo vimeweka kama Test kwa mwanadamu.

Pia naona mkuu unachanganya Sana Doctorine ya Ukristo na Uisilamu, mimi muisilamu kama ulivyosema juu vyema tutumie logic ya ninachokiamini. Kwenye Uisilamu Mungu haishii tu kama All loving, Unaweza pitia online Majina 99 ya Mwenyez Mungu according to Uisilamu Mungu ni Destroyer, Avenger, Just etc.

Kabla ya Mtume Muhammad imani yetu ni kwamba Adhabu ilikuwa ikitoka papo hapo, wa Sodoma, Gharika, Upepo, etc hao wa Nuhu tayari walishamtimiza miaka yao duniani, hivyo iliandikwa kwenye lifespan yao baada ya miaka hio 1000 uma wao utaisha kwa Gharika.

Unaweza kuthibitisha Mungu yupo kweli na kwamba habari za kuwepo kwake si stories za kutungwa na watu tu?

 

[grand millenial]

Approve vipi havipo wakati havipo?

We ukiambiwa u prove, hana hiyo prove utaweza?

Prove kwamba havipo just kindly answe the question

 

[Execute]

Nukuu ya biblia huwa haiwekwi kisela kama ulivyo fanya hapo

Weka kuonesha jina la kitabu, chapter na verse

Kuna swali nitakuuliza

Mwanzo 1 : 1

Hapo mwanzo Mungu aliziumba mbingu na nchi

 

[Execute]

Hata haya pia ni mawazo yako tu

Imagine umeweza kufanya identification ya mawazo yangu bila kile kifaa chako.😂 Simple proof kwamba yanaexist beyond the five senses.

 

[Kiranga]

Logical non sequitar ni pale kunapokuwa hakuna relationship between the premise and the conclusion drawn .

Turudi kwenye mfano wako

1. Joseph ni mtoto wa mzee Cheyo
2. Joyce ni mtoto wa mzee Cheyo
3. Joseph ni Joyce

Connection between joseph and joyce ni kwamba wote ni watoto wa mzee cheyo so the final conclusion joyce is joseph sijanua connection kati ya joseph na joyce unayoitafuta wewe ni ipi SEX? GENDER? 😂

Joseph is not Joyce just because both are Mr. Cheyo's children, because ,Mr. Cheyo is not limited to having one child and Joseph and Joyce are two distinct children.

Concluding Joseph is Joyce, just because both are Mr. Cheyo's children, is a logical non sequitur.

You are using the fact that both are Mr. Cheyo's children to erroneously conclude that they are one person, while Mr. Cheyo has multiple children.

 

[Logikos]

😂😂😂 utasaidia deppending on circumstance that means hautokuwa fair kwa sababu haujawasaidia na wengine pia right?

Sielewi unaongea nini hapa na wala mifano yako haifuati logic yoyote..., mimi sio niliowatengeneza hao wanafundi na kuwapa code ya utukutu pia sio mimi nilioweka hukumu kwamba wakifeli outcome itakuwa nini mimi kazi yangu ni kufundisha na kusimamia basi... haya mengine yana mamlaka nyingine tofauti na mwenye mamlaka yote

Don't ever try to questin God if you can't even answer a simple question you want logic i gave you one now unajikanyaga have a good day.

Kwahio wewe ndio God ninaku-question ? Pili tatizo kubwa la Imani ni Indoctrination huruhusiwi kuuliza mwisho wa siku unakuwa mtu wa kumeza bila kutafuna...,

Pili swali lako nimejibu labda kama hautaki jibu langu basi chagua lako ujijibu...

Niwasaidia hao wachache wanaohitaji msaada, kama adhabu yake itakuwa life threatening ila kama ni kipimo cha kushinda na kufeli siwezi kuwasaidia sababu hapo nakuwa sijamsaidia yoyote zaidi ya kujidanganya mwenyewe na wao......

 

[Execute]

Sasa iweje shetani aliyemuasi Mungu ambaye amekosana na Mungu akubali kufanya kazi ya Mungu...

Shetani pale alifanya kazi zake za kuharibu, kuua na kuangamiza. Mungu alimpa ruhusa tu.