Image of virgin Mary grows on tree

[Mundungus Fletcher]

The fact that your ruler has limitation does not mean it is not good for measuring the length of an exercise book.

The fact that a watch has limitation.does.not mean that it is not good for getting you to work on time.

The fact that Jesus used logic but behaved illogically only underscores how inconsistent he was.

he is inconsistent because you use logic to evaluate him, which is limited l.

 

[dotnet]

he is inconsistent because you use logic to evaluate him, which is limited l.

Correct

 

[Mundungus Fletcher]

Asking if I think Jesus went to toilet does not by any way justify Mary is still alive. And, what does it add or help if the Bible would mention that Jesus visited the toilet?

Just show me a scripture mentioning Mary is alive now.

For Moses and Elijah, the bible says openly that they were taken to heaven. And they even appeared before Jesus when He was about to give up and was worried of being crucified, heard and learned of that?

it absurd for you demanding a scripture to prove if Mary was alive and at the same time ignore when it comes to Jesus going to toilet.

if the bible did not speak of Mary's death why do u conclude She died ?

if the bible did not speak of Jesus going to toilet why do u conclude Jesus went to toilet?

if u rely the bible to say everything for u to believe why are u selective on Scriptures???

 

[Kiranga]

there's a word for that, it's called agnostic. What Kiranga saying is that atheists lack a disbelief of God as well which is not always true. So call himself as he is, an agnostic or an agnostic atheist. While not mutually exclusive there's still a difference. Using a lack of belief as a blanket definition for atheists is wrong.

I do not believe in the existence of god, based on logical grounds.

How am I an agnostic?

If I am an agnostic, then everybody ought to be an agnostic not only on the matter of the existence of god, but on every matter as well, including their own existence.

 

[Kiranga]

he is inconsistent because you use logic to evaluate him, which is limited l.

The only thing that is not limited is your ignorance.

 

[dotnet]

it absurd for you demanding a scripture to prove if Mary was alive and at the same time ignore when it comes to Jesus going to toilet.

if the bible did not speak of Mary's death why do u conclude She died ?

if the bible did not speak of Jesus going to toilet why do u conclude Jesus went to toilet?

if u rely the bible to say everything for u to believe why are u selective on Scriptures???

Virgin Mary? I leave you with whatever you believe about her.

Toilet stories not sure if that made sense anyway.

Remember the bible says "I am the way and the truth ans the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. " Where does Mary fit in here, if at all she still exists?

 

[dotnet]

Found this amazing fact:

"The atheist can't find God for the same reason that a thief can't find a policeman"

 

[Wickama]

I do not believe in the existence of god, based on logical grounds.

Kiranga, can you share your grounds

 

[Kiranga]

According to your weak humanly thinking.

"weak humanly thinking" tehe tehe. Who is weak now?

How else do you call someone who says they uphold the bible, only to be questioned and flip flop that they don't?

 

[Blaki Womani]

Kwa nini mungu mwenye uwezo wote, ujuzi wote na upendo wote aumbe ulimwengu ambao unawezekana kuwa na Ebola wakati ana uwezo wa kuumba ulimwengu ambao hauwezekani kuwa na Ebola?

Mungu aliumba ulimwengu na kila kitu akaviangalia akaona vyapendaza lakini kutokana na kiburi, dharau na kutaka kujilinganisha na mungu, mwanadamu akaharibu vyote na ndipo Mungu ameacha kila lililo baya limtoke mwanadamu, ukimwendea atakuepusha na mabaya hayo.....yanayotokea sasa katika ulimwengu huu ni adhabu kama ilivyotokea Sodoma na Gomora, na adhabu inapotelewa haiangali hata kizazi cha nne

 

[Mundungus Fletcher]

Virgin Mary? I leave you with whatever you believe about her.

Toilet stories not sure if that made sense anyway.

Remember the bible says "I am the way and the truth ans the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. " Where does Mary fit in here, if at all she still exists?

the angel Gabriel
was sent from God to a virgin named Mary.
And said unto her:
"Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee:
blessed art thou among women"

so do u take these words lightly ???? God sent his Angel to her.. do u think what criteria was used to choose her as the bearer of Gods Son or God himself.

do u think of all the women in the world why her???

can u define grace???? now take this she is full of grace...

And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth
heard the salutation of Mary, the infant
leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was
filled with the Holy Ghost: And she cried
out with a loud voice, and said: "Blessed art
thou among women, and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that
the mother of my Lord should come to me?
For behold as soon as the voice of thy
salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in
my womb leaped for joy. And blessed art
thou that hast believed, because those
things shall be accomplished that were
spoken to thee by the Lord".

Elizabeth repeats again , you are blessed among all women.. and yet you ignore these words...

to add more she calls her "mother of my Lord"...
or in other words. "Mother of God" .. and these were not just words of Elizabeth but She was filled with Holy Spirit.. which means these were God's own words.. that She is the Mother of God...

who are you to urge this... why do u choose scriptures to believe...

and it did end there

And Mary said: "My soul doth magnify the
Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my
Saviour. Because he hath regarded the
humility of his handmaid; for behold from
henceforth all generations shall call me
blessed.

and I repeat the words

for behold from
henceforth all generations shall call me
blessed. in simple English from now all generations shall call me blessed...

all generations... this includes you and me ... we fall under all generations unless you are not of this generation..

we will call her blessed ...you are to call her blessed...

"To be blessed " means 'to be favored by God'.
Blessings therefore are directly associated with
God and come from God.

so do you still urge that she does not fit in the picture.. or you choose not to accept

this is why We Catholics venerate Mary.. and call her blessed.... Mother of God..

 

[Kiranga]

Kiranga, can you share your grounds

An omnipotent, omniscient, omni benevolent, omnipresent godhead would contradict these qualities if this godhead was to create a universe like the one we observe.

 

[Kiranga]

Mungu aliumba ulimwengu na kila kitu akaviangalia akaona vyapendaza lakini kutokana na kiburi, dharau na kutaka kujilinganisha na mungu, mwanadamu akaharibu vyote na ndipo Mungu ameacha kila lililo baya limtoke mwanadamu, ukimwendea atakuepusha na mabaya hayo.....yanayotokea sasa katika ulimwengu huu ni adhabu kama ilivyotokea Sodoma na Gomora, na adhabu inapotelewa haiangali hata kizazi cha nne

Kwa nini mungu muweza yote, mjuzi wa yote na mwenye upendo wote aumbe ulimwengu ambao kiburi kinawezekana?

 

[dotnet]

the angel Gabriel
was sent from God to a virgin named Mary.
And said unto her:
"Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee:
blessed art thou among women"

so do u take these words lightly ???? God sent his Angel to her.. do u think what criteria was used to choose her as the bearer of Gods Son or God himself.

do u think of all the women in the world why her???

can u define grace???? now take this she is full of grace...

And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth
heard the salutation of Mary, the infant
leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was
filled with the Holy Ghost: And she cried
out with a loud voice, and said: "Blessed art
thou among women, and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that
the mother of my Lord should come to me?
For behold as soon as the voice of thy
salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in
my womb leaped for joy. And blessed art
thou that hast believed, because those
things shall be accomplished that were
spoken to thee by the Lord".

Elizabeth repeats again , you are blessed among all women.. and yet you ignore these words...

to add more she calls her "mother of my Lord"...
or in other words. "Mother of God" .. and these were not just words of Elizabeth but She was filled with Holy Spirit.. which means these were God's own words.. that She is the Mother of God...

who are you to urge this... why do u choose scriptures to believe...

and it did end there

And Mary said: "My soul doth magnify the
Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my
Saviour. Because he hath regarded the
humility of his handmaid; for behold from
henceforth all generations shall call me
blessed.

and I repeat the words

for behold from
henceforth all generations shall call me
blessed. in simple English from now all generations shall call me blessed...

all generations... this includes you and me ... we fall under all generations unless you are not of this generation..

we will call her blessed ...you are to call her blessed...

"To be blessed " means 'to be favored by God'.
Blessings therefore are directly associated with
God and come from God.

so do you still urge that she does not fit in the picture.. or you choose not to accept

this is why We Catholics venerate Mary.. and call her blessed.... Mother of God..

I agree with all these you have written here. I completely agree. I also call Mary blessed. I do not choose scripture at all. I am a believer.

You may have not got my question correctly. My question is;

Unless you can show me a verse from the Holy Bible that Mary is still alive, why do you (Catholics) choose to put Mary in a very front line as a c/o to Jesus who has allowed the whole world to come to him directly. Don't you see this is putting a "cloud" for people especially young generation to reach out and speak to Jesus HIMSELF?

I might be wrong and I remain to be corrected. I do not aim at criticizing your faith. We are all Christians.

 

[Ngekewa]

Hujaweza kuthibitisha kwamba yupo.

How can you say who are we to question him before proving he actually exists?

You are putting the cart before the horse.

Nimthibitishie nani? Mimi sina wasiwasi na msimamo wangu. Je Wewe ulishaweza kuthibitisha kuwa hayupo? Jaribu!

 

[Ngekewa]

Wewe mungu wako yupi?

Kwani wapo wangapi?

 

[Kiranga]

Kwani wapo wangapi?

Mimi siamini kuwepo mungu, niambie wewe unayeamini.

 

[dotnet]

Kwani wapo wangapi?

Wako wengi lakini wa kweli ni mmoja anaitwa Yesu Kristo.

Na katika kitabu chake, yaani NENO, aliye wa kweli huitwa Mungu, NENO, au Bwana, au Yehova lakini hao wengine ambao huabudiwa na watu wasioamini uwepo wa Mungu au wale wasiomuamini Yesu Kristo ingawa wanaamini kuwa Yesu yupo.

 

[Kiranga]

Nimthibitishie nani? Mimi sina wasiwasi na msimamo wangu. Je Wewe ulishaweza kuthibitisha kuwa hayupo? Jaribu!

Ukitoa madai publicly unatakiwa kuya back up. Kama unaona huna haja ya kumthibitishia mtu huna haja ya kujadiliana nami hapa. Ukishakubali kujadiliana nami hapa, maana yake umeshakubali kuulizwa maswali na mimi.Moja ya maswali haya ni kukutaka uthibitishe unachosema kipo kipo kweli.

Na mpaka sasa hujaweza kuthibitisha.

For the umpteenth time, kisichokuwepo hakithibitishiki kwamba hakipo, kwa sababu hakipo.

Unaweza kuthibitisha kwamba chumbani kwako hakuna kikombe cha dhahabu kisichoonekana kilichojaa damu isiyoonekana ambacho kinazunguka kwa nguvu ya umeme usioonekana?

 

[Kiranga]

Wako wengi lakini wa kweli ni mmoja anaitwa Yesu Kristo.

Na katika kitabu chake, yaani NENO, aliye wa kweli huitwa Mungu, NENO, au Bwana, au Yehova lakini hao wengine ambao huabudiwa na watu wasioamini uwepo wa Mungu au wale wasiomuamini Yesu Kristo ingawa wanaamini kuwa Yesu yupo.

Hujajibu swali kwa nini mungu mwenye ujuzi wote, uwezo wote na upendo wote aumbe ulimwengu ambao mabaya yanawezekanika kama huu.