Image of virgin Mary grows on tree

[mwanamajimbi]

samahanini! kwani mada ni ipi?? maana naona pande nyingi zenye misimamo isiyokutanika.. tunahitaji kuwa watu wazima kwa kujibiidiisha kimatendo na kiimani kwa wale mnaoamini.. na hata wasio amini pia..

 

[Kiranga]

samahanini! kwani mada ni ipi?? maana naona pande nyingi zenye misimamo isiyokutanika.. tunahitaji kuwa watu wazima kwa kujibiidiisha kimatendo na kiimani kwa wale mnaoamini.. na hata wasio amini pia..

Wewe unaona mada ipi?

Kwa nini unaomba samahani? Umekosea nini?

Kuwa na misimamo isiyokutanika kuna ubaya gani?

Wasio amini watajibidiisha vipi kwa imani?

Tunahitaji kuwa watu wazima kwa kanuni gani?

 

[Mundungus Fletcher]

Can you prove god exists?

yes I can prove God exists. can u prove He does not exist?

 

[Kiranga]

yes I can prove God exists. can u prove He does not exist?

How could you prove god exists?

Thst which does not exist, csnnot be proven thst it does not exist, because it does not exist to be proven thst it doesn't exist.

Can you prove hderonte does not exist?

 

[Kiranga]

please provide us an example of what you believe would constitute as evidence for a deity.

A logically consinstent construct.

 

[ITEGAMATWI]

Hivi kwanza kusema hiyo ni Image yake ni kweli kuna mtu aliitunza picha yake tangu kipindi hicho mpaka sasa inafahamika? Au ndiyo yale yale ya sura ya yule mzinzi wa Kiingereza aliyeigiza kama Yesu watu wakaichukulia ndiyo muonekano sahihi wa YESU?

 

[Mundungus Fletcher]

How could you prove god exists?

Thst which does not exist, csnnot be proven thst it does not exist, because it does not exist to be proven thst it doesn't exist.

Can you prove hderonte does not exist?

the existence of Universe and the fact you cannot explain its beginning is a prove there must have been a beginning and a creator .. who created the beginning of the universe.

this creator must be bigger than the creation. and this creator is God.

 

[Kiranga]

the existence of Universe and the fact you cannot explain its beginning is a prove there must have been a beginning and a creator .. who created the beginning of the universe.

this creator must be bigger than the creation. and this creator is God.

Why is the existence of the universe and the fact that I cannot explain its beginning prove there must have been a beginning and a creator?

If everything needs a creator, hen surely god must also.need a creator and his creator must need a creator ad infinitum, ad absurdum.

Your construct is logically not consistent.

You are saying.

1.The universe exist
2. We cannot explain its beginning
3. Therefore the universe must be created by god.

This is a logical non sequitur.

The fact that we cannot explain the beginning of the universe does not automatically mean it was created by god.

In fact number 2 and 3 are at loggerheads.

What you pose is just a bias of unstructured and illogical thinking.

 

[dotnet]

The answer to this debate is simple.

It's in the meaning of FAITH.

Faith - "complete trust and confidence in someone or something. To hope or believe in someone or something not seen, or heard, which are true"

From this meaning, the non believers need to see so they can believe. And this goes against the meaning of faith. In other words, believers and non believers will never reach into a consensus that supports either of them because seeing as a proof is not a characteristic of faith. So proving the existence of God with a weak humanly claim of wanting to see is not possible.

This proves, let the believers believe and non believers disbelieve in the existence of God if seeing is the condition of proof. However one must be in the right way because it is not possible for God to both exist and not to exist.

I'm a believer. And because my Bible says who he doesn't believe God exists is stupid, I believe yes, he must be stupid. And, if he wants me to prove God exists by showing (seeing), I won't do that to someone considered stupid, because even if seeing would be possible, because of stupidity, still he wouldn't believe.

Acheni magugu na ngano vimee pamoja, mvunaji atajua ngano ni ipi na gugu ni lipi, na atajua magugu ayafanye nini (set them on fire).

 

[Kiranga]

The answer to this debate is simple.

It's in the meaning of FAITH.

Faith - "complete trust and confidence in someone or something. To hope or believe in someone or something not seen, or heard, which are true"

From this meaning, the non believers need to see so they can believe. And this goes against the meaning of faith. In other words, believers and non believers will never reach into a consensus that supports either of them because seeing as a proof is not a characteristic of faith. So proving the existence of God with a weak humanly claim of wanting to see is not possible.

This proves, let the believers believe and non believers disbelieve in the existence of God if seeing is the condition of proof. However one must be in the right way because it is not possible for God to both exist and not to exist.

I'm a believer. And because my Bible says who he doesn't believe God exists is stupid, I believe yes, he must be stupid. And, if he wants me to prove God exists by showing (seeing), I won't do that to someone considered stupid, because even if seeing would be possible, because of stupidity, still he wouldn't believe.

Acheni magugu na ngano vimee pamoja, mvunaji atajua ngano ni ipi na gugu ni lipi, na atajua magugu ayafanye nini (set them on fire).

Faith is an euphemism for "wishful thinking". By your own definition.

Do you believe in everything the bible says?

The bible still endorses slavery.

 

[NGUVUMOJA]

Unaweza kuthibitisha kwamba mungu huyo unayemsema yupo?

Prof. Kiranga Weye mara nyingi husema hujui hiki na kile lakini kutokujua kwako hiki na kile bado haikulazimishi kujua /kuamini kuwa Mungu yupo.

Sasa hebu fikiri kuwa bado hujui hiki na kile na utaendelea kutokujua kuwa Mungu yupo mpaka utakapoamua kujifunza ujue na sio lengo la kujifunza ubishe.

 

[dotnet]

Faith is an euphemism for "wishful thinking". By your own definition.

Do you believe in everything the bible says?

The bible still endorses slavery.

I believe in everything the Bible says because God is not a human being, HE doesn't tell lies. And my bible says, he who doesn't believe is stupid.

Can you prove that the bible endorses slavery?

 

[Kiranga]

Prof. Kiranga Weye mara nyingi husema hujui hiki na kile lakini kutokujua kwako hiki na kile bado haikulazimishi kujua /kuamini kuwa Mungu yupo.

Sasa hebu fikiri kuwa bado hujui hiki na kile na utaendelea kutokujua kuwa Mungu yupo mpaka utakapoamua kujifunza ujue na sio lengo la kujifunza ubishe.

Niamue kujifunza mara ngapi?

Mbona najifunza siju nyingi, ila wanaotaka kunifundisha nielewe kwamba mungu yupo hawawezi kunijibu maswali yangu?

Wewe unaamini kwamba kuna mungu mwenye ujuzi wote, uwezo wote na upendo wote?

 

[Kiranga]

I believe in everything the Bible says because God is not a human being, HE doesn't tell lies. And my bible says, he who doesn't believe is stupid.

Can you prove that the bible endorses slavery?

Among many other verses.

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.- You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.- You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.- You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way."-(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Do you live by this standard?

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[Mundungus Fletcher]

Why is the existence of the universe and the fact that I cannot explain its beginning prove there must have been a beginning and a creator?

If everything needs a creator, hen surely god must also.need a creator and his creator must need a creator ad infinitum, ad absurdum.
.

Ts true at some point God must have a beginning.

It cannot be ad infinitum because there must be a cause for every effect. There must a beginning for everything.

If you rely on the argument of ad infinitum then you are suggesting that the universe came to existence out of a blue.

 

[Kiranga]

Ts true at some point God must have a beginning.

It cannot be ad infinitum because there must be a cause for every effect. There must a beginning for everything.

If you rely on the argument of ad infinitum then you are suggesting that the universe came to existence out of a blue.

Is a god that needs a beginning god at all?

God is supposed to be the creator of everything, how could this same god have a beginning?

Doesn't that mean that this god is not the primary cause, that he was caused by something else?

 

[Mundungus Fletcher]

Is a god that needs a beginning god at all?

God is supposed to be the creator of everything, how could this same god have a beginning?

Doesn't that mean that this god is not the primary cause, that he was caused by something else?

God does not need a beginning but He is the beginning and the Beginning is God.

God is the Supreme Being and principal object of faith. God is infinite knowledge unlimited power present everywhere, perfect goodness, divine
simplicity and eternal.

 

[dotnet]

Among many other verses.

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.- You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.- You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.- You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way."-(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Do you live by this standard?

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Who interprets this for you?

We, Christians, believe in the interpretation we are assisted by the Holy Spirit. Not our weak humanly minds only.

"There is neither Jew nor Geek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28).

One thing I like about this Holy Book
is that one may be so much knowledgeable and educated to higher levels of PhD's or become a scholarly professor, but when it comes to the Bible or spiritual books, he is simply stupid, especially when he tries to use his knowledge to seek proof of the existence of God. He will never find one.

 

[dotnet]

Ts true at some point God must have a beginning.

It cannot be ad infinitum because there must be a cause for every effect. There must a beginning for everything.

If you rely on the argument of ad infinitum then you are suggesting that the universe came to existence out of a blue.

Which God are you talking about? yes gods must have the beginning and of course the end, but God has and will never be in that category.

 

[dotnet]

Among many other verses.

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.- You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.- You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.- You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way."-(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Do you live by this standard?

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NO, I don't.