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Happy Birthday, Mr. President!!

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Huwezi tumia Koran ambayo imekopia Biblia kama Ushaidi, ingawa hata Koran yako inakiri kuwa Yesu ni Mungu. Impeccable exhibits lazima itoke kwenye infallible Word. The Bible.

Ushaidi kutoka Koran kuwa Yesu ni Mungu: Jesus is Allah according to the Koran

Ushaidi Kutoka Biblia kuwa Yesu ni Mungu:

1. Je, u mungu wa kristo ni kibiblia?

2. Yesu ni Mungu

3. Jesus is God – What does the Bible say about Jesus' deity?

Bonus:
What did Jesus come to do?




 
Umeshindwa kuitafsiri? unahitaji msaada? Wapi katika ayat inasema Jesus ameumba?

Heb 1:8-12 - "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end."

Then turned to the Psalm this passage is taken from:

Ps 102:25-27 "In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded. But you remain the same, and your years will never end."

I pointed out to the elder that the speaker, in Hebrews, is God (see context, starting at verse 5) and that the one spoken to is the Son (see context, verse 8 and on).

Seeing the implications of a text originally addressed to God, here addressed unapologetically to Jesus.

Nonda, Nonda Nonda, soma kuanzia Verse number 10, ndio utaelewa nani anasema hayo maneno. ACHA KUKURUPUKA KIJANA, Biblia si Koran.

Col 1:16-17, speaking about Jesus, says - "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." (underlining added)

John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."

Isa 44:24 - "This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,"
Are these statements a slip of God's pen? No, they are clear and they are consistent.

 
Heb 1:8-12 - "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end."

Then turned to the Psalm this passage is taken from:

Ps 102:25-27 “In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.”

I pointed out to the elder that the speaker, in Hebrews, is God (see context, starting at verse 5) and that the one spoken to is the Son (see context, verse 8 and on).

Seeing the implications of a text originally addressed to God, here addressed unapologetically to Jesus.

Nonda, Nonda Nonda, soma kuanzia Verse number 10, ndio utaelewa nani anasema hayo maneno. ACHA KUKURUPUKA KIJANA, Biblia si Koran.

Col 1:16-17, speaking about Jesus, says - “For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” (underlining added)

John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.”

Isa 44:24 - "This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself
Are these statements a slip of God’s pen? No, they are clear and they are consistent.


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Unajitahidi kuzunguka huku na huko lakini unajizidishia utata.

Nimekuuliza.
Je Jesus ndie Mungu aliyemuumba Adam na Eve?

Pili. Je Jesus ndie Mungu wa Adam, Abraham na Moses?

Tatu. Je Jesus ndie Mungu aliyemtuma Abraham, Moses na Jesus?

Nne: Je Abraham alimwabudu Mungu yupi? Moses alifundisha kumwabudu Mungu yupi?

Tano: Jesus alifundisha kumwabudu Mungu yupi?
 
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Unajitahidi kuzunguka huku na huko lakini unajizidishia utata.

Nimekuuliza.
Je Jesus ndie Mungu aliyemuumba Adam na Eve?

Pili. Je Jesus ndie Mungu wa Adam, Abraham na Moses?

Tatu. Je Jesus ndie Mungu aliyemtuma Abraham, Moses na Jesus?

Nne: Je Abraham alimwabudu Mungu yupi? Moses alifundisha kumwabudu Mungu yupi?

Tano: Jesus alifundisha kumwabudu Mungu yupi?

Jesus is the CREATOR. Period.
 

Jesus is the CREATOR. Period.

Did he created the tree which was used to crucified him too? ?
If that was the case! I dont think that was a clever thing to do!
I wouldn't worship someone who cant see the future! Its like worshipping urself!
 
Did he created the tree which was used to crucified him too? ?
If that was the case! I dont think that was a clever thing to do!
I wouldn't worship someone who cant see the future! Its like worshipping urself!

I wouldn't worship a deity who is married to A-llat and has three daughters.
 
Ukibahatika kupata muda tembelea hiiLink https://www.jamiiforums.com/jukwaa-la-elimu-education-forum/450766-kitabu.html uone Quran ilivyokopia Biblia.

Huwezi amini, Quran imekopia hata pale Biblia ilipochanganya madawa!
The moon is further away than stars;

Quran 71;16 "moon in the midst of 7 heavens" 37;6 "stars in the lowest/nearest heaven"

...this is false, the moon is the nearest natural object to us, so is NOT further away than stars


Quran 11;5 "we think with our heart"
what happened to the brain?
Bukhari, 8:345 confirms men use their chest to think, not the brain
 
Ukibahatika kupata muda tembelea hiiLink https://www.jamiiforums.com/jukwaa-la-elimu-education-forum/450766-kitabu.html uone Quran ilivyokopia Biblia.

Huwezi amini, Quran imekopia hata pale Biblia ilipochanganya madawa!
Quran 65;12 - there's supposedly 7 planets

this is false. our solar system has 8 planets plus 5 dwarf planets ? 8 + 5 = 13

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Quran 65;12 - there's supposedly 7 planets

this is false. our solar system has 8 planets plus 5 dwarf planets ? 8 + 5 = 13


Now,MUCHUNGWAJI, let us look at some of these scientific miracles revealed in the Qur'an together.

THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE
The origin of the universe is described in the Qur'an in the following verse:
"He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth."(The Qur'an, 6:101)This information given in the Qur'an is in full agreement with the findings of contemporary science. The conclusion that astrophysics has reached today is that the entire universe, together with the dimensions of matter and time, came into existence as a result of a great explosion that occurred in no time. This event, known as "The Big Bang" proved that the universe was created from nothingness as the result of the explosion of a single point. Modern scientific circles are in agreement that the Big Bang is the only rational and provable explanation of the beginning of the universe and of how the universe came into being.
Before the Big Bang, there was no such thing as matter. From a condition of non-existence in which neither matter, nor energy, nor even time existed, and which can only be described metaphysically, matter, energy, and time were all created. This fact, only recently discovered by modern physics, was announced to us in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.
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The sensitive sensors on board the COBE space satellite which was launched by NASA in 1992, captured evidentiary remnants of the Big Bang. This discovery served as evidence for the Big Bang, which is the scientific explanation of the fact that the universe was created from nothing.

The Expansion of the Universe

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In the Qur'an, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described like this:
"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."
(The Qur'an, 51:47)
The word "heaven", as stated in this verse, is used in various places in the Qur'an with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning. In other words, in the Qur'an it is revealed that the universe "expands". And this is the very conclusion that science has reached today.
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Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time". The research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology, however, have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning, and that it constantly "expands".
At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.
This fact was proved also by observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding. This fact was explained in the Qur'an when that was still unknown to anyone. This is because the Qur'an is the word of God, the Creator, and the Ruler of the entire universe.
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From the moment of the big bang, the universe has been constantly expanding at a great speed. Scientists compare the expanding universe to the surface of a balloon that is inflated.
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The Splitting Asunder of "The Heavens and The Earth"
Another verse about the creation of the heavens is as follows:
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
(The Qur'an, 21:30)

The word ratq translated as "sewn to" means "mixed in each, blended" in Arabic dictionaries. It is used to refer to two different substances that make up a whole. The phrase "we unstitched" is the verb fataqa in Arabic and implies that something comes into being by tearing apart or destroying the structure of ratq. The sprouting of a seed from the soil is one of the actions to which this verb is applied.
Let us take a look at the verse again with this knowledge in mind. In the verse, sky and earth are at first subject to the status of ratq. They are separated (fataqa) with one coming out of the other. Intriguingly, when we remember the first moments of the Big Bang, we see that a single point included all the matter in the universe. In other words, everything, including "the heavens and earth" which were not created yet, were included in this point in a condition of ratq. This point exploded violently, causing its matter to fataqa and in the process created the structure of the whole universe.
When we compare the expressions in the verse with scientific findings, we see that they are in perfect agreement with each other. Interestingly enough, these findings were not arrived at until the 20th century.
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The picture represents the Big Bang, which revealed once again that God created the universe from nothingness. The Big Bang is a theory that has been proven with scientific evidence. Although some scientists tried to advance alternative theories against the Big Bang, scientific evidence caused the theory to be completely accepted by the scientific community.
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Orbits

While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Qur'an, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.
"It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit. "
(The Qur'an, 21:33)

It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit:
"And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. "
(The Qur'an, 37:38)

These facts communicated in the Qur'an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.
That the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is written in the Qur'an as follows:
"By the sky full of paths and orbits."
(The Qur'an, 51:7)

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There are about 200 billion galaxies in the universe, consisting of nearly 200 billion stars in each. Most of these stars have planets, and most of those planets have satellites. All of these heavenly bodies move in very precisely computed orbits. For millions of years, each has been "swimming" along in its own orbit in perfect harmony and order with all the others. Moreover, many comets also move along in the orbits determined for them.
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The orbits in the universe do not only belong to celestial bodies. The galaxies also travel at enormous speeds in computed, planned orbits. During these movements, none of these celestial bodies cuts across another's path, or collides with another.

Surely at the time the Qur'an was revealed, mankind did not possess today's telescopes or advanced observation technologies to observe millions of kilometres of space, nor the modern knowledge of physics or astronomy. Therefore, at that time, it was not possible to determine scientifically that space is "full of paths and orbits" as stated in the verse. However, this was openly declared to us in the Qur'an that was revealed at that time:-because the Qur'an is the word of God.
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Like many other comets in the universe, Halley's comet, seen above, also moves in a planned orbit. It has a specific orbit and it moves in this orbit in a perfect harmony with other celestial bodies.

All celestial bodies including planets, satellites of these planets, stars, and even galaxies have their own orbits that have been determined with very delicate computations. The One Who established this perfect order and maintains it is God, Who created the entire universe.
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The Roundness of the Earth

"He has created the Heavens and the Earth for Truth. He wraps the night up in the day, and wraps the day up in the night."
(The Qur'an, 39:5)

In the Qur'an, the words used for describing the universe are quite remarkable. The Arabic word that is translated as "to wrap" in the above verse is "takwir". In English, it means "to make one thing lap over another, folded up as a garment that is laid away". (For instance, in Arabic dictionaries this word is used for the action of wrapping one thing around another, in the way that a turban is put on.)
The information given in the verse about the day and the night wrapping each other up includes accurate information about the shape of the world. This can be true only if the earth is round. This means that in the Qur'an, which was revealed in the 7th century, the roundness of the world was hinted at.
It should be remembered, however, that the understanding of astronomy of the time perceived the world differently. It was then thought that the world was a flat plane and all scientific calculations and explanations were based on this belief. The verses of the Qur'an, however, include information that we have learned only in the past century.

Since the Qur'an is God's word, the most correct words were used in it when it comes to describing the universe.
 
Now,MUCHUNGWAJI, let us look at some of these scientific miracles revealed in the Qur'an together.
Quran 31:34 only god knows whats in the womb
this is false. we have technology called sonographer allowing us to look at the baby's gender

we also have sex selection clinics to determine gender
 
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It should be remembered, however, that the understanding of astronomy of the time perceived the world differently. It was then thought that the world was a flat plane and all scientific calculations and explanations were based on this belief. The verses of the Qur'an, however, include information that we have learned only in the past century.

Since the Qur'an is God's word, the most correct words were used in it when it comes to describing the universe.
Quran 55:33 humans wont go into space unless they acknowledge allah
this is false. dozens of non-muslims and non-theists went into space without leave or permission from a god
 
16;45 or 29;37 suggest allah sends earthquakes only to non-muslim nations
this is false. the higest death tolls from natural disasters this millennia were muslim countries
2004 indonesia tsunami; - 2005 kashmir; - 2003 bam iran;
 
Did he created the tree which was used to crucified him too? ?
If that was the case! I dont think that was a clever thing to do!
I wouldn't worship someone who cant see the future! Its like worshipping urself!
Quran, 2:22 "sends down water from the sky and by it brings forth fruits"
this is ignorant. fruit/plants needs photosynthesis from the sun to grow.

bukhari 10;512 change of weather at winter and summer is from the breath of hell


2:22,2:164; 6:99; 7:57; 8:11; 10:24; 13:17; 14:32; 15:22; 16:10,16:65; 20:53; 22:63; 23:18; 25:48;
27:60; 29:63; 30:24; 31:10; 32:27; 35:27; 39:21; 41:39; 43:11; 50:9; 56:68-56:70; 78:14; 86:11
in all these verses not once is ocean evaporation or the water cycle mentioned.
all claim water comes from the sky and from allah
 
Quran, 2:22 "sends down water from the sky and by it brings forth fruits"
this is ignorant. fruit/plants needs photosynthesis from the sun to grow.

bukhari 10;512 change of weather at winter and summer is from the breath of hell


2:22,2:164; 6:99; 7:57; 8:11; 10:24; 13:17; 14:32; 15:22; 16:10,16:65; 20:53; 22:63; 23:18; 25:48;
27:60; 29:63; 30:24; 31:10; 32:27; 35:27; 39:21; 41:39; 43:11; 50:9; 56:68-56:70; 78:14; 86:11
in all these verses not once is ocean evaporation or the water cycle mentioned.
all claim water comes from the sky and from allah

ANYBODY CAN WRITE NUMBERS DOWN,
GET THE FACT HERE!!


When the verses of the Quran concerning the role of water in man's existence are read in succession today, they appear to express ideas that are obvious. The reason for this is simple: in our day and age, we all know about the water cycle in nature to a greater or lesser extent.

However, if we consider the various ancient concepts on this subject, it becomes clear that the data in the Quran does not embody the mythical concepts prevalent at the time of Revelation, that had developed more according to philosophical speculation than observed phenomena. Although it was empirically possible to acquire the useful practical knowledge necessary to improve irrigation, the concepts held on the water cycle in general would hardly be acceptable today.

Thus, it would have been easy to imagine that underground water could have come from the infiltration of precipitation in the soil. In ancient times however, this idea, held by Virtuvius Polio Marcus in Rome 1st century CE, was cited as an exception. Thereafter, for many centuries (and the Quranic Revelation occurred during this period) man held completely inaccurate views on the water cycle.

Two specialists on this subject, G. Gastany and B. Blavoux, in their entry in the Encyclopedia Universalis under the heading ‘Hydrogeology', give an edifying history of this problem.

"In the 7th century CE, Thales of Miletus held the theory whereby the waters of the oceans, under the effect of winds, were thrust towards the interior of the continents; so the water fell upon the earth and penetrated into the soil. Plato shared these views and thought that the return of the waters to the oceans was via a great abyss, the ‘Tartarus'. Until the 18th century CE, this theory had many supporters, one of whom was Descartes. Aristotle imagined that the water vapour from the soil condensed in cool mountain caverns and formed underground lakes that fed springs. He was followed by Seneca (1st century CE) and many others, until 1877 CE, among them O. Volger …"

The first clear formulation of the water cycle must be attributed to Bernard Palissy in 1580 CE. He claimed that underground water came from rainwater infiltrating into the soil. This theory was confirmed by E. Mariotte and P. Perrault in the 17th century CE.

In the following passages from the Quran, there is no trace of the mistaken ideas that were current at the time of Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) .

The Quran says (what means): "We sent down water from the sky, blessed water whereby We caused to grow gardens, grains for harvest, tall palm-trees with their spathes, piled one above the other – sustenance for (Our) servants. Therewith We gave (new) life to a dead land. So will be the emergence (from the tombs)." [Quran 50:9-11]

And (what means): "We sent down water from the sky in measure and lodged it in the ground. And We certainly are able to withdraw it. Therewith for you We gave rise to gardens of palm-trees and vineyards where for you are abundant fruits and of them you eat." [Quran 23: 18-19]

And (what means): "We sent forth the winds that fecundate. We cause the water to descend from the sky. We provide you with the water – you (could) not be the guardians of its reserves." [Quran 15:22]

There are two possible interpretations of this last verse. The fecundating winds may be taken to be the fertilizers of plants because they carry pollen. However, this may be a figurative expression referring by analogy to the role the wind plays in the process, whereby a non-raincarrying cloud is turned into one that produces a shower of rain.

The Quran says (what means): "Allaah is the One Who sends forth the winds which raised up the clouds. He spreads them in the sky as He wills and breaks them into fragments. Then thou seest raindrops issuing from within them. He makes them reach such of His servants as He wills. And they are rejoicing." [Quran 30:48]

And (what means): "(Allaah) is the One Who sends forth the winds like heralds of His Mercy. When they have carried the heavy-laden clouds, We drive them to a dead land. Then We cause water to descend and thereby bring forth fruits of every kind. Thus We will bring forth the dead. Maybe you will remember." [Quran 7:57]

And (what means): "Hast thou not seen that Allaah sent water down from the sky and led it through sources into the ground? Then He caused sown fields of different colors to grow." [Quran 39:21]

And (what means): "Therein We placed gardens of palm-trees and vineyards and We caused water springs to gush forth." [Quran 36:34]

The importance of springs and the way they are fed by rainwater conducted into them is stressed in the last three verses. It is worth pausing to examine this fact and call to mind the predominance in the Middle Ages of views such as those held by Aristotle, according to whom springs were fed by underground lakes. In his entry on Hydrology in the Encyclopedia Universalis, M.R. Remenieras, a teacher at the French National School of Agronomy (Ecole nationale du Genie rural, des Eaux et Forets), describes the main stages of hydrology and refers to the magnificent irrigation works of the ancients, particularly in the Middle East. However, he notes that an empirical outlook ruled over everything, since the ideas of the time proceeded from mistaken concepts. He continues as follows:

"It was not until the Renaissance (between circa 1400 and 1600 CE) that purely philosophical concepts gave way to research based on the objective observation of hydrologic phenomena. Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519 CE) rebelled against Aristotle's statements. Bernard Palissy, in his Wonderful Discourse on the Nature of Waters and Fountains both Natural and Artificial (Discours admirable de la nature des eaux et fontaines tant naturelles qu'artificielles; Paris, 1570) gives a correct interpretation of the water cycle and especially of the way springs are fed by rainwater."

This last statement is surely exactly what is mentioned in the Quran (chapter 39, verse 21) describing the way rainwater is conducted into sources in the ground.

The subject of chapter 24, verse 43, is rain and hail (which means):

"Hast thou not seen that God makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them a heap. And thou seest raindrops issuing from within it. He sends down from the sky mountains of hail, He strikes therewith whom He wills and He turns it away from whom He wills. The flashing of its lightning almost snatches away the sight."

The following passage requires some comment (which means):

"Have you observed the water you drink? Do you bring it down from the rainclouds? Or do We? If it were Our will, We could make it salty. Then why are you not thankful?" Quran 56: 68-70]
BE GREATFULL TO ALLAH BEFORE YOU DIE! INDEED YOU WILL REGRET!!
 
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Mimi naburudika na Yesu Mungu. Ninapomsoma deity wako, shaka yaingia moyoni mwangu kama kweli yule atrocious demigoddess ni Mwenyezi Mungu. Maana, hana jema na wala si siri tena kuwa yeye ni MUONGO.

Sina haja ya kuweka ayat zake, maana zitawasha moto mioyoni mwenu wafuasi wa Muhammad, Allah incarnate.



 
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