Generali Ojukwu Ni Kwanini?

[wikolo]

- Kila ninapoangalia tulikotokea hili Taifa, ninapatwa wasi wasi sana kwamba hatukufika hapa tulipo kwa makosa, tumefanya makosa mengi sana nyuma in terms of policies mpaka leo hii kurekebisha inakuwa ni almost impossible, ingawa watawala wa sasa wanajitahidi sana.

- Eti ni kwa nini Tanzania tuliunga mkono Waasi wa Nigeria waliokuwa wanaongozwa na General Ojukwu, kwenye kiu yao ya kujitenga na Nigeria Federation? Ninakumbuka tukiwa wadogo Shuleni, tulivyokuwa tunaimbishwa nyimbo za kumsifu Ojukwu, why? I mean ni policies ngapi huko nyuma we were wrong maana inaonekana ni nyingi sana that ni vigumu sana sasa kurekebisha njia!

- JE have we ever apologize to the Nigerians kwa makosa yetu ya kuuunga mkono uasi wa Ojukwu, dhidi ya serikali halali ya nchi hiyo?

- MUNGU AIBARIKI TANZANIA!

William J. Malecela.

Huwa sipendi jinsi ambavyo unaandika thread zako kwa kuchanganya lugha namna hii. Silipendi hili kutoka moyoni na samahani kama nitakuwa nimekukwaza!

 

[William J. Malecela]

Huwa sipendi jinsi ambavyo unaandika thread zako kwa kuchanganya lugha namna hii. Silipendi hili kutoka moyoni na samahani kama nitakuwa nimekukwaza!

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kunikwaza mimi? ha! ha! ha!, nisichokipenda sikigusi kabisaa nakikalia mbali sana! ha! ha! ha!


William.

 

[kookolikoo]

Joka Kuu

safi sana kwa ufafanuzi!

 

[Ruhazwe JR]

Mkubwa!..siku zote tunakwambia wewe ni mpuuzi unazani tunakuonea,Tanzania sasa tunamambo mazito yanayotukabili,watu wanalala njaa,wanafunzi vyuo wanamaisha mgaumu mpaka dada zetu wanajiuza,matibabu yamekua tabu,gharama za maisha zimepata wachache ndio wanafaidi matunda ya nchi.
Wewe badala ya kuleta hoja za msingi,unaanza kutuletea historia ambayo nothing kwetu ktk kipindi hiki kigumu tulicho nacho.wewe ni bonge lala zuzu

 

[chama]

William,
Nimetembea, sana nimekutana na wanaigeria waibo wayoruba hakuna hata siku moja walilaumu kwa nini tulipeleka wanajeshi Biafra cha kufurahisha wengi wanakipongeza kitendo chetu, si kwamba lengo lilikuwa ni kumlinda Ojuku na wafuasi wake bali kasi ya mauji dhidi ya waibo ilitisha, kama Taifa hatuna sababu hata moja ya kuwataka radhi Wanaigeria, mchango wetu ndio umeifanya Nigeria isimame kama Taifa leo hii. Umekaa NY kipindi kirefu sana siamini kama iliwahi hata siku moja kama kuna mnigeria alikushutumu kwa kitendo cha Mwl. Nyerere kupeleka wanajeshi Biafra.

Chama
Gongo la Mboto DSM

 

[Waberoya]

Sio watanzania waliokuwa wanamuunga mkono General Odumegwu Ojukwu,Mwl Nyerere ndio alikuwa anamuunga mkono swaiba wake huyo ambaye mwaka 1967 walijitangazia Taifa lao la Biafra huko Nigeria...Mwl Nyerere alikuwa hawapatani na Meja General Yakubu Gowon. ambaye alikuwa akiongoza Serikali ya shirikisho

Nyerere again!! mzee huyu kila kitu aliamua chumbani kwake na kusema ni watu wamesema!!

 

[chama]

Mkubwa!..siku zote tunakwambia wewe ni mpuuzi unazani tunakuonea,Tanzania sasa tunamambo mazito yanayotukabili,watu wanalala njaa,wanafunzi vyuo wanamaisha mgaumu mpaka dada zetu wanajiuza,matibabu yamekua tabu,gharama za maisha zimepata wachache ndio wanafaidi matunda ya nchi.
Wewe badala ya kuleta hoja za msingi,unaanza kutuletea historia ambayo nothing kwetu ktk kipindi hiki kigumu tulicho nacho.wewe ni bonge lala zuzu

Tukiwa na maisha magumu ndio tusiongelee mambo mengine? Siku nyingine acha kuchangia hoja zisizoongelea maisha magumu.

Chama
Gongo la Mboto DSM

 

[Ringo Edmund]

kwa nini tulimpiga idd amin?
Kwa nini tuliungana na zanzibar?
Kwa nini tulipeleka majeshi kongo?

 

[Ruhazwe JR]

Tukiwa na maisha magumu ndio tusiongelee mambo mengine? Siku nyingine acha kuchangia hoja zisizoongelea maisha magumu.

Chama
Gongo la Mboto DSM

Mkubwa,...wewe ndio william?,kwa hadhi aliyo nayo william ukilinganisha na hali ya sasa ya maisha hapa nchini ni wakati wa kuleta historia au kuleta hoja za njia mbadala kama msomi ya nini kifanyike kunusuru hali hii?......Na wewe sikunyingine usidandie mbele ya wanaume,utaolewa na utapata ujauzito mwisho utazaa ugali

 

[TIQO]

Nyerere huyu huyu mnaemlaumu ndiye aliye jenga viwanda lukuki nchini alafu mmeviua vyote kwa masirahi yenu wachache

 

[Ruhazwe JR]

Nyerere huyu huyu mnaemlaumu ndiye aliye jenga viwanda lukuki nchini alafu mmeviua vyote kwa masirahi yenu wachache

mkubwa!kutokana na hali ya maisha nchi kwa sasa,hii ndio historia inapaswa kuongelea,sio mpuuzi mmoja anakuja na story za nigeria wakati huo hazisaidii taifa kwa sasa,nchi inakabili na mambo lukuki kwa sasa

 

[Masabaja]

- Noamba nikuelewe unasema kwamba hicho kitabu kina majibu ya why we were right kuunga mkono uasi against the Federation? Is that right?

William.

Umeambiwa hakuna mtanzania aliunga mkono huyo general bali ni nyerere mwenyewe ELEWA

 

[Kimbunga]

Sio watanzania waliokuwa wanamuunga mkono General Odumegwu Ojukwu,Mwl Nyerere ndio alikuwa anamuunga mkono swaiba wake huyo ambaye mwaka 1967 walijitangazia Taifa lao la Biafra huko Nigeria...Mwl Nyerere alikuwa hawapatani na Meja General Yakubu Gowon. ambaye alikuwa akiongoza Serikali ya shirikisho

Mkuu ritz kumbe upo kote kote? Hakukuwa na na msukumo wa kidini hapo kweli? Ni swali tu kwa kuwa najua Nigeria imekatika makundi mawili ambayo hata sasa tunayashuhudia.

 

[Nguruvi3]

William,
By the time vita inaanza kati ya Ojukwu na Gowon, suala halikuwa waasi kujitenga. Suala wakati huo lilikuwa ni MAUAJI YA WAIBO. There was a pogrom. A million Ibos and more were slaughtered. Wewe unashikilia kuunga mkono waasi. Katika bandiko langu #49 nimeainisha juhudi alizochukua Nyerere kuzima mauaji. OAU haikufanya kitu, Gowon hakufanya kitu. The killing was the motivating factor. Kama Biafra ingejitenga bila kuwepo mauaji ya Waibo katika majimbo mengine ya Nigeria nina hakika usingemsikia Mwalimu Nyerere akisema kitu au akichukua hatua yoyote. Kama kujaribu kuzuia mauaji ya watu kwa misingi ya kikabila ni makosa, then Nyerere is guilty. Na kama huelewi kuwa motive haikuwa kuunga mkono kujitenga kwa Biafra, licha ya yote niliyosema na vitabu vilivyoandikwa, wewe endelea kushikilia msimamo wako kama Nyerere was wrong kwa sababu kwako hiyo ni kama dini. Refer kwa ile topic yako ya kwa nini Azimio la Arusha was dead wrong. Hutaki kuelimika, unataka kusokomeza imani zako kwa wengine hasa kuhusu utawala wa Mwalimu na sasa juhudi za Freeman Mbowe. Lakini tupo hapa, ukitulisha pumba tutamwaga somo!

Mkuu Jasusi, uzee dawa, nashukuru kwa shule uliyotoa kama nilivyokuwa naielewa.

Kwa wasomaji Jasusi hakumaanisha kuonyesha 'rights or wrongs' za Nyerere. Jasusi alikusudia kujibu swali ambalo lenyewe tu halijitoshelezi. ''Kwanini Nyerere aliunga mkono Biafran'' ina mapungufu kwasababu watu walitaraji 'background' halafu ndiyo ije conclusion kama aliyoleta mtoa mada kuwa 'kulikuwa na tatizo katika policies'
Endapo mtu ataandika jina na conclusion sijui kama tutakuwa tumefikia lengo la maana ya majadiliano

Kabla sijaingia katika hoja za Jasusi, napenda kumkosoa mchangiaji mmoja aliyedai kuwa maamuzi ya kuunga mkono Biafran ni ya Nyerere na siyo wananchi. Mchangiaji amesahau kuwa serikali iliyopo madarakani ndiyo wananchi.
Benjamin Mkapa anaheshima kubwa sana Zimbabwe kwasababu alisimama kidete kuzuia commonwealth kumtenga Mugabe. Si kila mtanzania anakubaliana na hilo lakini Mkapa ndiye mkuu wa serikali na kauli yake ilikuwa ya Tanzania

Kuhusu Biafran Jasusi ameeleza sababu za Tanzania kuunga mkono. Soma nukuu zifuatazo

The people of Biafra have announced their willingness to talk to the Nigerian authorities without any conditions. They cannot renounce their secession before talks, but they do not demand that Nigerians should recognize it; they ask for talks without conditions. But the Federal Authorities have refused to talk except on the basis of Biafran surrender. And as the Biafrans believe they will be massacred if they surrender, the Federal authorities are really refusing to talk at all. For human beings do not voluntarily walk towards what they believe to be certain death. .....

Nor is this the first time the world has seen a reduction in political unity. We have seen the creation of the Mali Federation, the creation of a Union between Egypt and Syria, and the establishment of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland. And we have also seen the dissolution of all these attempts at unity, and the consequent recognition of the separate nations which were once involved

When more than twelve million people have become convinced that they are rejected, and that there is no longer any basis for unity between them and other groups of people, then that unity has ceased to exist. You cannot kill thousands of people, and keep killing more, in the name of unity. There is no unity between the dead and those who killed them; and there is no unity in slavery or domination

Surely, when a whole people is rejected by the majority of the state in which they live, they must have the life to life under a different kind of arrangement which does secure their existence. States are made to serve people; governments are established to protect the citizens of a state against external enemies and internal wrong-doers

Tanzania has recognized the State of Israel and will continue to do so because of its belief that every people must have some place in the world where they are not liable to be rejected by their fellow citizens. But the Biafrans have now suffered the same kind of rejection within their state that the Jews of Germany experienced. Fortunately they already had a homeland. They have retreated to it for their own protection, and for the same reason - after all other efforts had failed - they have declared it to be an independent state.
In the light of these circumstances, Tanzania feels obliged to recognize the setback to African unity which has occurred. We therefore recognize the State of Biafra as an independent sovereign entity, and as a member of the community of nations. Only by this act of recognition can we remain true to our conviction that the purpose of society, and of all political organization, is the service of Man."

Mwalimu alinukuliwa akisema.

Sina uhakika kama alikuwa sahihi au la, ninachojua alitetea uamuzi wa nchi tena kwa hoja, endapo kuna mwingine mwenye hoja dhidi ya Nyerere basi aziweke hapa ili watu wapate shule na wafanye conclusion based on the fact.

Nyerere ameonyesha nchi zilizokuwa pamoja na zikajitenga na Tanzania ilizitambua. Ameonyesha mauaji ya Ibo kama alivyoeleza Jasusi na amehitimisha kwanini anunga mkono. Mwenye counter arguement aje hapa.

Tusisahau kuwa Nyakati za Mwalimu Tanzania iliheshimika katika maamuzi hata yasiyopendeza watu.
Kwakweli ni aibu sana kusikia kuwa eti serikali za siku hizi zinajaribu kufanya mazuri kuliko ya mwalimu.
Tena J.Kikwete ndiye kabisa ameshindwa kusema neno kuhusu misimamo akijificha nyuma ya 'Msimamo wetu ni kama wa OAU'

Kwa wale wa enzi, msimamo wa Tanzania ndio ulikuwa msimamo wa kanda na pengine Africa. Hii haikutokea kwasababu Nyerere aliweza tu kufungua kinywa, la hasha! ni kwasababu misimamo ilikuwa ni juu ya hoja tena nzito.

 

[Ritz]

ritz acha kujichanganya wewe mwenyewe, umesema Tanzania imeunga mkono Biafra kwa sababu ya udini, hapa unatueleza kwamba Serikali ya Tanzania ina dini rasmi kama ile ya Uingereza, ndio maana FJM amekuuliza kule Palestine Tanzania inaiunga mkono PLO kwa sababu zipi? ni kwa nini tusiiunge mkono Israel kama Marekani walivyo wazi katika hili? wacha porojo lete majibu.

Nadhani wewe ndio unajichanganya kutokana na kutokujua, ngoja nikupe darsa kidogo..

Unaposema kwa nini tusingewaunga mkono Israel tuwaunge mkono Palestine, wewe kwa akili yako unadhani Waisrael ni Wakirstu Waisrael dini yao ni Jewish, tena Israel kuna Wakiristu wachache sana wanazidiwa hata na Waislam kwa wingi...Wakirstu ni 2.1% na Waislam 16.9%.

Inawezekana Palestine kuna Wakiristu wengi kuzidi Israel kwa mfano maeneo ya Bathlehem.

Wengi wenu huwa mnajidanganya kuwa Waisrael ni Wakiristu hawa jamaa kwanza wanauchukia sana Ukiristu soma vitabu vyao ndio hutajua.

 

[mzurimie]

Hivi wewe kwa kweli unatia aibu,

Ulifuatilia yaliyotokea baada ya kifo chake? Na mazishi yake etc

Sasa tukaombe msamaha wa nini?

Unataka jifanya unajua siasa kumbe duh bomu tu wewe, tabu kweli mt*t* wa n*e.

 

[Avanti]

- Kila ninapoangalia tulikotokea hili Taifa, ninapatwa wasi wasi sana kwamba hatukufika hapa tulipo kwa makosa, tumefanya makosa mengi sana nyuma in terms of policies mpaka leo hii kurekebisha inakuwa ni almost impossible, ingawa watawala wa sasa wanajitahidi sana.

- Eti ni kwa nini Tanzania tuliunga mkono Waasi wa Nigeria waliokuwa wanaongozwa na General Ojukwu, kwenye kiu yao ya kujitenga na Nigeria Federation? Ninakumbuka tukiwa wadogo Shuleni, tulivyokuwa tunaimbishwa nyimbo za kumsifu Ojukwu, why? I mean ni policies ngapi huko nyuma we were wrong maana inaonekana ni nyingi sana that ni vigumu sana sasa kurekebisha njia!

- JE have we ever apologize to the Nigerians kwa makosa yetu ya kuuunga mkono uasi wa Ojukwu, dhidi ya serikali halali ya nchi hiyo?

- MUNGU AIBARIKI TANZANIA!

William J. Malecela.

Nimefurahia kuona muda ulioandika hii thread.

 

[chama]

Mkubwa,...wewe ndio william?,kwa hadhi aliyo nayo william ukilinganisha na hali ya sasa ya maisha hapa nchini ni wakati wa kuleta historia au kuleta hoja za njia mbadala kama msomi ya nini kifanyike kunusuru hali hii?......Na wewe sikunyingine usidandie mbele ya wanaume,utaolewa na utapata ujauzito mwisho utazaa ugali[/QUOTE

Kuna tofauti kati ya mwanaume na mtoto wa kiume; huu ni uwanja wa wazi kama mtu yeyote anaweza kuchangia hoja yeyote ile kama una hoja binafsi na Willy mpelekee fb. Angalia usijeolewa kwa kulia maisha magumu.

Chama
Gongo la Mboto DSM

 

[Dr Matola PhD]

Nadhani wewe ndio unajichanganya kutokana na kutokujua, ngoja nikupe darsa kidogo..

Unaposema kwa nini tusingewaunga mkono Israel tuwaunge mkono Palestine, wewe kwa akili yako unadhani Waisrael ni Wakirstu Waisrael dini yao ni Jewish, tena Israel kuna Wakiristu wachache sana wanazidiwa hata Waislam kwa wingi...Wakirstu ni 2.1% na Waislam 16.9%.

Inawezekana Palestine kuna Wakiristu wengi kuzidi Israel kwa mfano maeneo ya Bathlehem.

Wengi wenu huwa mnajidanganya kuwa Waisrael ni Wakiristu hawa jamaa kwanza wanauchukia sana Ukiristu soma vitabu vyao ndio hutajua.

ritz nashukuru sana leo kwa kuamuwa kunipa darasa, nami kwa sababu nia yangu ni kujifunza natumaini nitajifunza mengi kutoka kwako.

Umesema Isarel siyo Taifa la kikristo na Wakristo ni wachache mno sasa hapa najawa na maswali zaidi je ni kwa nini Chuki za wachukia Israel huwa zinafungamanishwa na Wakristo?

Ningependa kujuwa kumbe Palestina ina Wakristo na wanamgambo kama Hizbollah yana Wakristu wengi tu je ni kwa nini Waislamu wao ndio mashabiki wa makundi haya ya Wanamgambo?

Kwa ufahamu wangu mdogo Syria ina Waislamu wengi sana na wanauwawa kwa dozens na Majeshi ya Rais ambaye ni mwislamu, ila natatizo mpaka leo sijaona makundi kama Bakwata, shura ya Maimamu, Uamsho kufanya maandamano makubwa kupinga mauwaji ya waislamu hawa ma Syria?

Ni nini kimejificha nyuma ya Uislamu? Je unaweza kunitajia hasa Crusaders ni kina nani hasa?

 

[mabhuimerafulu]

Mkimaliza ya Biafra ni vizuri kutueleza ni kwa nini Bernard Membe alitoa msimamo wa Tanzania kuwa halitambui Baraza la Libya lilimng'owa Gaddafi wakati mabwana wakubwa wanaotulisha G8 walishalitambuwa lile Baraza, je mpaka leo Tanzania haijui sera yake ya mambo ya nje?

Huo msimamo wa Membe haukuwa wa Tanzania. Ulikuwa wa kwake. Hebu inyake hii, wakati wanasema hawaitambui serikali mpya ya Libya, Tanzania hiyohiyo ilikuwa inafukuzia mabilioni ya Libya ati kujenga kiwanda cha saruji jimboni kwa Membe. Serikali ya Libya ilikuwa haramu lakini mapesa yake matamu na yanatambuliwa! Yeba!!!