Does everthing happen for specific reason?????

and sometimes the reason is you are stupid.

King'asti said:

Ila kuna vitu havielezeki kwa nini vipo hivyo na hiyo ni njema kiimani, it makes you human.

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I got you King'asti

Mashaxizo said:

Ahaa! Nimekusoma! Unazungumzia logic ya kifo chake mbeleni na sio kafa coz kagongwa, anaumwa etc.
Hii inategemea imani na mitazamo ya watu!
Mtazamo wangu:- watu husema ni kwa sababu maalum (mbeleni) kama KUJIFARIJI TU!
Hakuna ukweli wowote just embu fikiri kidogo 'kuzaliwa Africa' or 'kuwa masikini' watu husingizia Mungu kapanga kwa faida maalum hapo ni bora kuwa hivyo! Uzushi mtupu!
Just bad luck kama ulivyosema! Hakuna sababu yoyote mbeleni ni imani tu na kuunganisha matukio! Hata mimi naweza kujiliwaza "ningezaliwa ulaya ningekua naekti chonda/sex movies bora nilivyozaliwa huku, Mungu alitambua huku ndio kunanifaa!" simple simple kihivyo tu! Narudia tena HAKUNA SABABU YOYOTE MBELENI INAYOANZA MAANDALIZI KAMA HAYO! Eti asingekufa pengine angekuja kukuua or angekua hatari kwa maisha ya wengine. HAKUNA LOLOTE!

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Mkuu nimepata point yako, vipi je ki-imani unaongeleaje hili swala? au huna imani kabisa??

kalou said:

and sometimes the reason is you are stupid.

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Mkuu unaweza weka mfano kidogo juu ya point yako??

Gaijin said:

Kwa misingi ya Cause and Effect ya kisayansi utaambiwa "Ukimwi hautokei hewani tu, kuna ulipoupatia (chanzo kipo)"

Tafadhali usichanganye "cause and effect" and "justification and effect"

Mtazamo wa kisayansi hauangalii chanzo in terms of morals or other justifications

Unasema "Ukichanganya damu na mwenye VVU, kuna nafasi ya wewe kupata VVU," haijalishi njia itakayopitia

Hayo ya kutafuta sababu ya iwapo ni haki kwa mtu kupata VVU, kwa njia isiyokuwa ya kujiweka hatarini ndipo imani na dini inapoingia

Umejilinda vya kutosha lakini umepata VVU kupitia ajali ya barabarani wewe ukiwemo kwenye daladala.

Hapo ndo Waswahili hukufariji kwa kukwambia Jitihada haiondoi kudura. Imeandikwa. Kuna sababu maalum

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Gaijin, nimepata point yako hapo..

Kiranga said:

First of all it is not a must for things to happen in a cause and effect order, this is an illusion borne out of a thinking that time is linear and unidirectional, there are cases for a spacetime characterized by effects and causes (as opposed to cause and effect) as well as causeless spontaneity.

Second of all, it is entirely possible for one to be connected to an effect whose cause one is hardly connected to.

Moto kuwaka "suddenly" ni nadra. Kutakuwa na hitilafu ya umeme sehemu, au nyumba imepigwa radi, mtoto kawasha jiko vibaya etc.Kwa hiyo hata kama umeamka na kukuta nyumba inawaka moto tu, bila ya wewe kujua sababu, wewe kutojua sababu haimaanishi moto umewaka bila sababu.

If you get HIV from the barber that is your cause right there.

What constitute a "cause" to you? Must it be your fault? Devastating effects can be caused by causes that are entirely out of ones control.

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The Don Kiranga, kuna mambo mengine hayana cause and effect nionavyo mimi for instance unajituma sana kusoma ikiwa ni pamoja na kufanya yote yanayohusu masomo yako lakini unajikuta umeangukia pua bila ya sababu unayoielewa, au kwa mfano mwingine ukute wewe ni mfugaji na una mifugo yako unayoiangalia kila siku kwa kuakikisha wanapata matunzo stahili lakini unashaanga wanakufa mmoja baada ya mwingine na hawakuwa wanaumwa..

Gaijin said:

Nilikwisha kupa definition hiyo ya kudura, na bado ukauliza, nikajua labda hiyo huitaki.



Mwanadamu hajui mambo gani anaweza kuya control na mambo gani hawezi

Hawezi kwa sababu maandiko hayo hayo yaliyomwambia kuwa kuna kudura ndio hayo hayo yaliyomwambia asihangaike kuyatafuta ni mambo gani kwa sababu hana uwezo wa kuyajua



Hutaki kuwa hapo ndio mwisho wa definition ya kudura?

Basi tuongezee wewe

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Asome kwa sababu hajui kudra iko wapi.

Asome kwa sababu keshaambiwa mambo yanayokwenda kwa kudra ni machache, hivyo probability ya efforts zake kuzidiwa na kudra ni ndogo




Kwa masuala ambayo sio miongoni mwa kudra.



Kutaka kuishi duniani milele, kumehusu na nini na kuwa irresponsible kwa mazingira?

Badala yake, kutamfanya mtu apende kutunza mazingira, kwa sababu atakaa kwenye mazingira hayo maisha yake yote.



Did not receive grace from whom?




Bila ya shaka yoyote. Kudura haihusu mambo yote. Ni mambo machache tu.

Yaliyobaki yanakwenda kwa cause and effect ya jithada zako




Not at all.

Kila jambo lina sababu. Mengine sababu yake ni kudra

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Is kudura by design or chance?

ujeni said:

This is interesting. Kiranga's reply is one of the best I have ever read in JF. When all is considered there is nothing but four forces: Gravity, Electromagnetic, Strong Nuclear and the Weak Force. Hence on the Planck scale we have quantum phenomena, and at high speed we have relativistic effects which are not normally experienced. And then statistical effects and probability. And then, wave-particle duality. Watanzania inabidi tubadilike!!!

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Kuna watu kama ujeni wanaelewa haya, nikiandika hapa wengine wanaona kama madudu na mabobish tu.

Kila jambo linatokea kwa sababu maalumu aisee..mfano hizi ni experince nilizokutana nazo personally kuna kipindi flani niko skull adaptor yangu iliharibika kwaio kudesa kukawa kwa tabu sasa siku natoka library kusoma nikaona mtu kaisahau adaptor ambayo inafaa kwenye pc yangu sema uoga ukabishika nikaogopa kuichukua..juzi kati nilienda kupeleka kucharge battry za ndinga sehemu kiukweli nilikua na hela za mawazo kinooma yan sasa nafika tu hilo eneo nikakuta buku ten imedondoka anayehusika na mchongo hajui nikaibeba nikala bati sasa jumla naenda kuchukua bettri likawa linavuja kuziba buku 5 yan buku ten yote ikawa imeisha na kimsingi ni kama nimecharge bure..kwa minaajili hiyo everything happens for a reason aisee

salimkabora said:

You are simply obsessed by Einstein's theory of relativity without actually grasping the underlying principles of the same.

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I am always open to some education, especially if it involves some lofty and underlying principles of science. So I look forward to your input.

Are you aware that an effect can occur even before its cause?

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Am aware of this? Do you know how to read? Isn't this what I have been talking about by disputing the unidirectional and absolute nature of time? My entire reason for bringing Einstein in this conversation was to point this out, and you are asking me if I am aware of this? I was writing about tachyons moving back in time on my Geocities page in 1999, after learning about that for a decade. Am I aware?

that a glass window can be seen shattering before the bullet which breaks it is fired?

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You are stretching an analogy, a quantum/ subatomic one out of it's proper context. I wrote above how cause and effect are illusions of our scale in the universe, go low enough and everything becomes so probabilistic that time itself, the harbinger of "cause and effect" breaks down, and therefore causality breaks down.This is what I pointed above.

Am I aware?

that someone can travel at such a speed which would make red lights appear green?

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This is the Doppler effect, the same effect that makes sirens sound distorted. I taught a class about this in 1996.

Am I aware?

Here we are trying to connect thories with real life to explain life itself instead of dealing with the same in obscurity

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Which is what I did by introducing Einstein's theory of relativity, which shows time - the harbinger of cause and effect- as being relative and not absolute, and therefore, cause and effect being an illusion of the large scale universe.

Who is not able to connect theory to real life to explain phenomena now?

Who is not aware now?

If you were aware of the underlying implications of Einstein's relativity you would have seen the point of my post.

You sound like you just copy pasted or reproduced something without understanding it.

kwa leo nafikiri sitaweza ku comment vizuri as kuna yalonikuta "negative".. hivyo nimwombe Mungu aendelee kunipigania na kunishindia hili jaribu...loo

Wi-Fi said:

The Don Kiranga, kuna mambo mengine hayana cause and effect

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Tumeeleza jinsi gani mambo mengine yanatokea kwenye "virtual time" huko ambako a near perfect vacuum inaweza kuzalisha subatomic particles from the sheer pregnancy of the universe, hatujui cause, inawezekana universe yetu hatujaielewa vizuri, inawezekana causality ime break down huko na kinachoangaliwa ni balance ya matter/antimatter kuliko cause and effect. Kwa hiyo angalau katika level hiyo ya vitu vidogo sana ambako hata muda unavunjika huko, cause and effect si lazima.

nionavyo mimi for instance unajituma sana kusoma ikiwa ni pamoja na kufanya yote yanayohusu masomo yako lakini unajikuta umeangukia pua bila ya sababu unayoielewa,

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"Bila ya sababu unayoielewa" ni tofauti na "bila sababu".

Pengine unasoma kitabu kisichofaa, au unasoma huku una muwaza Mwajuma kwa sana, au unafikiri unasoma sana kumbe unasoma ukurasa mmoja dakika kumi nzima, au unasoma bila ya mtu wa kukuelewesha etc etc.

au kwa mfano mwingine ukute wewe ni mfugaji na una mifugo yako unayoiangalia kila siku kwa kuakikisha wanapata matunzo stahili lakini unashaanga wanakufa mmoja baada ya mwingine na hawakuwa wanaumwa..

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Again inawezekana kabisa kuna ugonjwa huuelewi.

Ian Fleming, the creator of James Bond had a saying "Once could be happenstance, twice could be coincidence, thrice is definite design". Ukiona mifugo inakufakufa tu, kila mara, inabidi kuumiza kichwa kuelewa sababu.Itakuwepo tu.

Hata kama ni old age.

neggirl said:

kwa leo nafikiri sitaweza ku comment vizuri as kuna yalonikuta "negative".. hivyo nimwombe Mungu aendelee kunipigania na kunishindia hili jaribu...loo

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Ulisahau kumwomba akupiganie yasikukute hayo yalokukuta "negative"?

Nyani Ngabu said:

Ulisahau kumwomba akupiganie yasikukute hayo yalokukuta "negative"?

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haha .. not real.. nilimwomba pia nadhani ndio sababu mpaka sasa napumua. NI KWA NEEMA TU.. wala SISTAHILI>

neggirl said:

haha .. not real.. nilimwomba pia nadhani ndio sababu mpaka sasa napumua. NI KWA NEEMA TU.. wala SISTAHILI>

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Sasa kama ulimwomba na bado yakakukuta huoni kwamba alishindwa kuyazuia? Kwa nini umwombe tena aendelee kukupigania?

Nyani Ngabu said:

Sasa kama ulimwomba na bado yakakukuta huoni kwamba alishindwa kuyazuia? Kwa nini umwombe tena aendelee kukupigania?

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I reserve my comments.

neggirl said:

kwa leo nafikiri sitaweza ku comment vizuri as kuna yalonikuta "negative".. hivyo nimwombe Mungu aendelee kunipigania na kunishindia hili jaribu...loo

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Polee, kama mbeleni ukija kugundua sababu ya yaliyokukuta please usisite kutu-update hapa!!

Wi-Fi said:

Mkuu nimepata point yako, vipi je ki-imani unaongeleaje hili swala? au huna imani kabisa??

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Imani nnayo (Muslim)!
Ktk Uislam kuna QADAR na QUDRA (Nguvu/Uwezo na Mipango ya Mungu) na ni nguzo ya sita ya imani!
Hii concept watu wanaitafsiri vibaya kwa kusema kila kitu kinakwenda kwa mipango ya Mungu (Mungu kapanga)! Na wanatumia Qur-anic verses bila kutambua:-
Qur-an ni fasihi ya hali ya juu!
Ktk Qur-an kuna repealed verses (abrogating and abrogated verses)
just think, all Muslims are guided by 1 Qur-an! Why there SECTS?
Kama Mungu anapanga:
Jee Mungu anapendelea?
Kwanini wengine awapangie mema na kuwaingiza PARADISO huku wengine awapangie maovu na kuwaingiza Motoni? Na yeye ni Hakimu Muadilifu!
Kuna umuhimu gani wa kuleta Mitume na vitabu kuelisha watu wakati kila kitu kinakwenda FREE (ktk mipango yake) au aandikalo Mola hufutika?
Mungu anapanga baadhi tu kama vile Earth creation, its rotation, creatures, and a like!
Haya mengine tunajipangia wenyewe!
MUNGU HAPANGI KILA KITU! (Kama huamini jiulize Mungu kakupangia uzini?) HOWEVER HIS POWERS ARE UNLIMITED!
MUNGU ANAJUA KILA KITU (Kilopita, kilichopo na kijacho)
narudi ktk mada: (refers mtizamo wangu ktk post iliyopita!)

Kiranga said:

Is kudura by design or chance?

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From mwanadamu's point of view, by design

From God's point of view, we don't know. Maybe probabilistic ...

Nyani Ngabu said:

Sasa kama ulimwomba na bado yakakukuta huoni kwamba alishindwa kuyazuia? Kwa nini umwombe tena aendelee kukupigania?

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Aliyaacha yatokee ili yamkomaze, yamfanye a better person, yamuandae for new level in life, yamuandae for future challenges.
So nafikiri ni sahihi kundelea kumuomba ampe nguvu (kumpigania) ya kupambana nayo.

Gaijin said:

From mwanadamu's point of view, by design

From God's point of view, we don't know. Maybe probabilistic ...

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Mungu is another one of those myths. Mungu and kudura are two sides of the same myth, which is rooted in ignorance and manipulation. The more humans move away from ignorance, the more kudura and mungu are exposed to be myths.

"Mungu" and "kudura" are two words used widely to sweep under the rug that which we do not understand or do not want to deal with.

I could trace the idea of a false god (or gods) being tolerated and even promoted by a non-believing ruling class back to Cicero, Marcus Aurelius and even earlier Chinese and Egyptian dynasties. Marx was hardly original in observing that religion was the opiate of the people, the Romans had it perfected right up there with the games of Circus Maximus.The educated ruling class did not believe in the Olympian gods, or any gods at all. In fact it was a badge of honor for the senatorial families to be skeptics. This remains to be the case largely up to today, educated societies have learned to accept that god is one big hoax to keep the poor in check and maintain social harmony, that the personal godhead as presented in Abrahamic religions and most other cultures is not actual.

Let's try to understand phenomena, not sweep things under the rug and resign what we do not understand or are too lazy to investigate to "kudura" and "mungu".

Kudura na mungu ni wewe mwenyewe.