Beating the Drum on One Side: Confusing the People on Both Sides

[mr gentleman]

big show ritz bill cosby mimi wala sintogombana na mtu. niishie tu hapo coz sio rahisi kuelewana tunajuana sisi.

 

[Nyendeke]

Waislamu tumekuwa watu wa vurugu kila pande, inahuzunisha sana. Tuna matatizo mengi badala ya kuyatatua tunaishia kuwa watu wa rabsha. Hii inafanya mpaka watu kuficha imani zao au kujifanya wapo kwa bahati mbaya.

Hv ww unaejiita mr gentleman mbona kazi yako kulialia tu hapa Jukwaan kama Dumuzi? Hv ushawahi ona wapi Mtoto wa Kiume wa Kislam mwenye tabia kama hzo zako? Nani amekulazimisha ww kua Muislam? Si uende huko unapoona panakufaa na utakua na amani kusema kua ww ni Mpagani? Watu tunafuatilia vitu vya maana ww unakatakata viuno tu., nmekujibu hapa kwa kua unazingua ss kama unalazaidi fungua Uzi.. ,

 

[Ritz]

Ok sasa kwa mfano tuseme uhuru umeletwa na waislamu watu wakakubali. Itatuongezea nini? vyuo? mashule? au dispensaries? au ajira

Vipi hii nguvu tungetumia kupiga harambees za kuanzisha projects zetu?tungekuwa wapi? sisi tunalalamika tunamlalamikia nani? je ata akitusikiliza itatuongezea nini? tuthink big jamani.

wenzetu wanazidi kupiga hatua wanajenga mavyuo kila kona mpaka mabenk sisi tumekaa kulalamika tunasubiri tuletewe mikononi. Ubinafsi mtu akipata hasaidii wenzake na hataki kuhusishwa na waislamu wenzie, au aliye na mwanga ni kazi ya kuchochea mapambano ya kutumia nguvu badala ya kupanga mipango tuhamasishane vipi kutengeneza vya kwetu.kwa kweli ni mengi..ila inaumiza sana . ila tutafika tu

Benki gani ya Mkombozi ile inayoshirikiana na wana kwaya kuchota pesa serikalini.

 

[mr gentleman]

Hv ww unaejiita mr gentleman mbona kazi yako kulialia tu hapa Jukwaan kama Dumuzi? Hv ushawahi ona wapi Mtoto wa Kiume wa Kislam mwenye tabia kama hzo zako? Nani amekulazimisha ww kua Muislam? Si uende huko unapoona panakufaa na utakua na amani kusema kua ww ni Mpagani? Watu tunafuatilia vitu vya maana ww unakatakata viuno tu., nmekujibu hapa kwa kua unazingua ss kama unalazaidi fungua Uzi.. ,

kaka najua nawakwaza ila inatia uchungu kila siku yale yale mtu unaambiwa angalia ndugu zako jamiiforums wameshaanza fujo zao ss ata mjadala upo wap hapa..fungua akili kaka haipendezi

 

[Nyakageni]

Wewe km Ni Muislamu kweli basi Una ukoo mmoja na Jongo!
Ni ktk wale Waislamu Walalahoi.

Vurugu waanzishe makafiri Kelele upige wewe! Au Undugu na Huyu Profesa wa Kiirani?

Utawakana hadi nduguze katika imani, mie niko pembeni nasubiri m~`break wind' hadi kande ziishe then nitarudi

 

[Punjab Singh]

Mimi tangu nimemfahamu Mzee Mohamed Said hapa JF kwenye minakasha kama hii nimembaini ni mtu anayependa adabu kwenye mijadala na ndio maana ni mtu makini katika maandiko yake.

Wewe Mwanamke unayejipambanuwa kama Mwanamke wa Kiislamu hivi ndivyo ulivyofunzwa kuwasiliana mbele ya barza iliyojaa wanaume akiwemo Mzee wetu MS? Huna meneja?

Au unadhani wengine hatuyajui matusi na lugha za kuudhi? By the way wewe ndio punjab Singh?

Jirekebishe, badirika usitake kuharibu mjadala.

Ndugu Matola,

Now where are you going? I am not Faiza Foxy please keep your cool she is The honourable Lady I respcet. Sasa why she should not mingle with us? This is a secular state even in Iran where my cousin Karim Hirji follows their Ideology of Islam, Foreign Office Spoke Person is a Lady called Marzieh and she appears live on Press TV infront of the world let alone her men of the country. We are not in Saudi Arabia kaka. I did not know that you are such a radical Musliman. You are scaring others now that you have become such extreme minded.

 

[Ritz]

big show ritz bill cosby mimi wala sintogombana na mtu. niishie tu hapo coz sio rahisi kuelewana tunajuana sisi.

Sawa tumekusikia

 

[Nyendeke]

kaka najua nawakwaza ila inatia uchungu kila siku yale yale mtu unaambiwa angalia ndugu zako jamiiforums wameshaanza fujo zao ss ata mjadala upo wap hapa..fungua akili kaka haipendezi[/QUOTE

mr gentleman hao ni Warabu wa Pemba hvyo wanajuana kwa Vilemba vyao.., na ndo mana unaona wanarushiana maneno na bado wanajadiliana, kosa lako ww ni kutoka nje ya Maudhui kwa kukashifu Dini za watu.., ndo mana sie wengne tusokua na lakuchangia tupo pembeni tunachuja Pumba na Mchele.., hivyo nakusihi nawe tukae Pembeni laa uwe na lakuchangia ndani ya Mada!!!

 

[crabat]

Waislamu tumekuwa watu wa vurugu kila pande, inahuzunisha sana. Tuna matatizo mengi badala ya kuyatatua tunaishia kuwa watu wa rabsha. Hii inafanya mpaka watu kuficha imani zao au kujifanya wapo kwa bahati mbaya.

Labda wewe mie kila siku tasbihi mpaka kazi an am proud to be muslim na mshukuru Allah kwa hili.
Alhamdulilah

 

[crabat]

Huyu proffesa ni ismaili.
Mungu wao ni agha khan.
Hawa wana majina ya kislam but sio waislam .
Uliona wapi ismaily mwarabu ? Au mwafrika labda kama kazalishwa nae tena kinatengwa hukooo.
Nguzo za islam ni 5
Hawa ismail hawasali
Hawafungi
Hawaendi kujiji
Hawatoi shshada
Hawatoi zaka ila kwa familia
Wanauza pombe
Wanacheza kamari
Hivyo huyo profesa msimuweke huku yeye ni maslah

 

[Nguruvi3]

Naona unataka kumkimbiza kabisa Prof wetu Hirji.


Hypothetical Secondary School Enrolment Data At Uhuru – 1961

At Uhuru – 1961
Muslim Christian Total
200 (1%) 800 (4%) 1000% (2.5)
19,800 (99%) 19,200 (96%) 39,000 (97.5%)
20,000 (100%) 20,000 (100%) 40,000 (100%)
A Decade Later – 1971
4,000 (13%) 6,000 (20%) 10,000 (17%)
26,000 (87%) 24,000 (80%) 50,000 (83%)
30,000 (100%) 30,000 (100%) 60,000 (100%)

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By Mohamed Said Salum

Table 1

Selection of Std.VII Pupils to Form I in Dar es Salaam Region 1978 -1981
Year Total Selected Muslims Percentage of
Muslims Selected
1978 956 216 23
1979 903 194 22
1980 1071 247 23

Source: Dar es Salaam City Council, Department of Education.

NB: In 1967 census Muslims in Dar es Salaam Region were 67%, therefore thenumber of Muslim students in Dar es Salaam Primary Schools is greater than thatof Christians. This should have reflected in the selection.

Mohamed Said njoo utasaidie kutafdiri data zako

 

[Bill Cosby]

Utawakana hadi nduguze katika imani, mie niko pembeni nasubiri m~`break wind' hadi kande ziishe then nitarudi

Huyo ni mla nguruwe km wewe.
Tofauti ni kuwa wewe umevaa msalaba na unanuka Damu ya bwana na yeye kavaa kibandiko huku kajipaka Perfume km nyerere alivyokuwa anavaa.

Wote nyie ni Ahlu Naar na mtakaa humo milele.
Laanatullah

 

[Nguruvi3]

Al Maaruf THE BIG SHOW na Al akly Ritz

Katika ukurasa wa 37 wa kitabu cha Sivalon, naomba munionyeshe wapi imeandikwa kuwa Nyerere na Wakatoliki wameua EAMWS. Kuna uwezekano kabra langu limeliwa na panya, sasa nisaidieni wapi kuna hiyo link

Msiweke dhana, nataka muweke connection

 

[Bill Cosby]

Huyu proffesa ni ismaili.
Mungu wao ni agha khan.
Hawa wana majina ya kislam but sio waislam .
Uliona wapi ismaily mwarabu ? Au mwafrika labda kama kazalishwa nae tena kinatengwa hukooo.
Nguzo za islam ni 5
Hawa ismail hawasali
Hawafungi
Hawaendi kujiji
Hawatoi shshada
Hawatoi zaka ila kwa familia
Wanauza pombe
Wanacheza kamari
Hivyo huyo profesa msimuweke huku yeye ni maslah

Mkuu crabat Bora umeweka wazi manake nilipoona tu maandishi ya huyo Sunche nikaanza kuskia Harufu ya Cheuro.
Hawa jamaa ni Nuksi sana sababu Makafiri wanadhani hawa na Waislamu Ni kitu kimoja. Kumbe hawa ni makafiri km wao.

Tofauti ni kuwa Hawa Wanaabudu Muhindi mwenzao na wale wanaabudu Mzungu mwenye Nywele ndefu.
Na hawa ktk majumba yao ya Ibada Wanakula Ladu na Jelebi na wale wanakulq Mkate wa Azam Na Dodoma Wine.

Khalas!

 

[Mohamed Said]

Al Maaruf THE BIG SHOW na Al akly Ritz

Katika ukurasa wa 37 wa kitabu cha Sivalon, naomba munionyeshe wapi imeandikwa kuwa Nyerere na Wakatoliki wameua EAMWS. Kuna uwezekano kabra langu limeliwa na panya, sasa nisaidieni wapi kuna hiyo link

Msiweke dhana, nataka muweke connection

Bwana Nguruvi3,
Kuna msemo "cant see the trees because of the forest."
Hapana haja ya kukaa hapa tukavutana kwa hili.

Ikiwa umesoma ukurasa wote wa 37 wa Sivalon na hukuona kama Kanisa
limesema maadui zake ni "Ukomunisti na Uislam," basi sitakulazimisha
uisome hiyo sentensi.

Labda tuwasikize wanabarza wengine watasemaje.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Nilikupinga sana...kwa kua biased...na nikakwambia hata hao wanaopenda aina ya uandishi wako ni vilaza... U wea very biased.

Aksante kwa proff kutuweka wazi. nadhani inafaaa utafute fani nyingine that will relate to who you really are. (Sheikh..or.. Imam) but uandishi no huwezi Mr Mohamed Said.

Marhaba,
Una haki ya kuwa na fikra na msimamo unaouona sawa.
Ndiyo raha ya mjadala...

Ila kunihukuma mimi kuwa uandishi siuwezi wakati nimechapwa na wachapaji
kama Oxford University Press, (Nairobi na New York) na nimeandika paper
na kuziwasilisha katika vyuo kadhaa ndani na nje ya nchi...

Hapo hujasema kweli.
Kwani unapoandika hufanyi hata utafiti kidogo?

Hivi unakuwa kichekesho.

Nimeandika na Africa Confidential, New African, Africa Events haya yote
magazeti maarufu yakichapwa London.

Hapa nyumbani nimeandika sana na kama unavyonisoma hapa barzani...

 

[Mohamed Said]

Ok sasa kwa mfano tuseme uhuru umeletwa na waislamu watu wakakubali. Itatuongezea nini? vyuo? mashule? au dispensaries? au ajira

Vipi hii nguvu tungetumia kupiga harambees za kuanzisha projects zetu?tungekuwa wapi? sisi tunalalamika tunamlalamikia nani? je ata akitusikiliza itatuongezea nini? tuthink big jamani.

wenzetu wanazidi kupiga hatua wanajenga mavyuo kila kona mpaka mabenk sisi tumekaa kulalamika tunasubiri tuletewe mikononi. Ubinafsi mtu akipata hasaidii wenzake na hataki kuhusishwa na waislamu wenzie, au aliye na mwanga ni kazi ya kuchochea mapambano ya kutumia nguvu badala ya kupanga mipango tuhamasishane vipi kutengeneza vya kwetu.kwa kweli ni mengi..ila inaumiza sana . ila tutafika tu

Mr Gentlemen,
Nadhani unaandika hivi unavyoandika kwa kuwa hujui historia ya Waislam.

Ni kutokana na hali kama hii uliyokuwanayo wewe ya watu kutudhani sivyo
Waislam ndipo nilipoamua kuandika kitabu, "The Life and Times of Abdulwahid
Sykes (1924 - 1968) The Untold Story of the Muslim Struggle Against British
Colonialism in Tanganyika," (Minerva Press London, 1998).

Hakuna Muislam aliyesoma kitabu hiki akabaki vilevile.
Nakushauri soma kitabu hiki.

Katika wakati huu unapongoja kusoma nakushauri ukae kimya fatilia hoja
na jifunze.

Ukipenda ingia hapa: Mohamed Said

 

[FaizaFoxy]

...what about that?

That same argument you have used is under the heading Sound and Unsound Logic, did you notice? Now, did you notice the last sentence before that heading? "Selective examples convert the truths in Said's paper into half-truths"

It simply means, the sentence which was used as a mode of argument is not Hirji's but he is using "Selective examples" to "convert the truths in Said's paper into half-truths"

What is so hard in you reading and understanding that? they are just "examples" (mifano) and not reality. That is from Hirji's mouth. And Al Alama Mohamed Said's truth is being hypothetically "converted into half-truths" by your beloved "Professor".

Hivi hizo shule huwa mnaenda kusomea ujinga?

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Tuendelee.

Nilipotea kidogo hewani kwa shughuli za hapa na pale.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Vurugu zipi yaani mtu anakuja kutudanganya kuwa Mau Mau walipigana na Ujerumani tukae kimya tu tukimjibu tunaonekana watu wa vurugu siyo?

Licha ya hilo, nimemwekea Chintu nukuu ya Hirji kutoka kwenye "full version" yake mpya anakiri kuwa atabadili ukweli wa Mohamed Said kuwa nusu ukweli.

Jisomee juu hapo.

Halafu tukae kimya tu?

Hawa watu wananifurahisha haswa, si utani.