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unabishana na mtu anaefanya kazi kwenye power plant, before & after construction & installation! kiufupi hizo 180MW sio za kujengwa kwa 1.3trill
 
unabishana na mtu anaefanya kazi kwenye power plant, before & after construction & installation! kiufupi hizo 180MW sio za kujengwa kwa 1.3trill

So unajua career yangu mimi? au kwa vile unapatia mkate wako hapo basi u count out the overall economic benefits ya mradi huu wa Songwe basin over a longterm period! Wacha hizo mzee, gas to power generators maintenance cost yake is way above the maintenance cost of hydro turbine power generators!

Isitoshe u import a complete generator set with civil works accounting for a very small portion that means u outsource jobs huko nje iwe kwa manufacturers wa Siemens au General Electrical generators au Toshiba au any other manufacturer! Hapo ulipoongea tu unaonyesha conflict of interests!

Hapo ulipo nina uhakika kuna experts toka nje esp. toka kampuni iliyotengeneza mtambo kuja kufanya regular check up, servicing and maintenance, be it on yearly basis or even shorter time span! Aside the fact u buy gas to run the generators wherever the plant is on! Plse talk of economics on the overall cost si ununuzi wa mitambo na installation tu!
 

bro maneno mengi sio kigezo unaongea point. unapoambiwa ukweli ukubali... hata sisi tulioko kwenye plants tunajua na kuprefer more hydroPP zaid ya power plant nyingine yoyote.. 180MW sio ya kujenga kwa tsh 1.3 tril!
 
bro maneno mengi sio kigezo unaongea point. unapoambiwa ukweli ukibali... hata sisi tulioko kwenye plants tunajua na kuprefer more hydroPP zaid ya power plant nyingine yoyote.. 180MW sio ya kujenga kwa tsh 1.3 tril!

180 MW ni minimum amount pitia project manuals usome na pia kuna irrigation part huizungumzii!


Investment request​

Technical assistance to take projects to bankable feasibility, and financing of the capital costs of projects. Capital expenditure is expected to be US$687 million for priority projects, US$142 million for other projects.

​
Project​
Capital expenditure (US$ million)​
Technical assistance required (US $million)​
1​
Lower Songwe dam (330 million m3) and hydropower plant (180.2 MW), managed as a public-private partnership​
550​
0​
2​
Irrigation and drainage schemes (6,200 ha)​
99​
TBC​
3​
Urban water supply to Kasumulu town (Tanzania)​
​
​
​
Immediate measures​
0.42​
0​
​
Long-term measures​
4.08​
TBC​
4​
Urban water supply to Songwe town (Malawi)​
​
​
​
Immediate measures​
0.52​
0​
​
Long-term measures​
3.98​
TBC​
5​
Rural water supply​
13​
TBC​
6​
Institutional and environmental measures​
13​
TBC​
7​
Priority social infrastructure (roads, schools and health centres)​
3​
TBC​
​
Sub-total: Priority investments​
687​
​
8​
Rural electrification​
90​
TBC​
9​
Social infrastructure​
42​
TBC​
10​
Economic development (fisheries, tourism, small industry support)​
8​
TBC​
11​
Detailed design, Middle Songwe dam​
2​
TBC​
​
Sub-total: Other investments​
142​
​
​
Grand total​
829​
​

Main sponsor(s)​

The Songwe River Basin Commission on behalf of the governments of Malawi and Tanzania.
 
bro maneno mengi sio kigezo unaongea point. unapoambiwa ukweli ukubali... hata sisi tulioko kwenye plants tunajua na kuprefer more hydroPP zaid ya power plant nyingine yoyote.. 180MW sio ya kujenga kwa tsh 1.3 tril!

let me ask u a technical question, leaving aside TL that is needed for both, will the gas needed to run the generators at Kinyerezi III n IV be free? If not, how can u convince me on the longterm benefits btn the two projects?
 
180 MW ni minimum amount pitia project manuals usome na pia kuna irrigation part huizungumzii!

ehn haya umeshinda!
NB: ikisemwa plant flan inajengwa.. MW inayotajwa sikuzote hio ndo inakuwa maximum! huwez kusema unajenga plant ya 200MW afu mtambo unatoa 210MW
 
ehn haya umeshinda!
NB: ikisemwa plant flan inajengwa.. MW inayotajwa sikuzote hio ndo inakuwa maximum! huwez kusema unajenga plant ya 200MW afu mtambo unatoa 210MW
tuache hili! tuseme 180 MW is the maximum power to be generated!

naomba unijibu hapa 👇

let me ask u a technical question, leaving aside TL that is needed for both, will the gas needed to run the generators at Kinyerezi III n IV be free? If not, how can u convince me on the longterm benefits btn the two projects? plse compare them n give me a straight forward answer!

Then tell me of the lifespan of those generators (from GE n Toshiba) at Kinyerezi!
 
Nadhani watu wengi wanaelewa cost ya gas plants lazima ununue gas..the point ya kuzijenga mara ya kwanza ni nini if hydro is the best ?

Sisi tuna Gas..hata kama tunanunua bado inabidi iwe cheap..sio?

Hydro is way more cheaper than gas that is known..but Hydro ina disadvantages zake pia..kama wakati wa ukame..output itapungua au kutokuepo..tumeona Hii mtera na kidatu na hata kihansi.. Ndo mgao wa umeme ulianzaga hivi

Cost ya ku maintain hydro ni ndogo kuliko Gas.
Cause gas turbines zitahitaji service zaidi ya parts mbali mbali...


Ila kama Tz tumebarikiwa sana na hydro..whats the point ya ku exploit gas mzee?si tungetumia hydro tu milele..its like we unaona gas plant hazifai kujengwa tena milele cause gas itanunuliwa

Kwanini tumefikiria kujenga bomba la Dola million 500 hadi Dar...si tungeacha tu gas iwe processed huko mtwara na gas plants zikae huko huko mtwara umeme ujengewe grid uwe supplied

Kinyerezi 1 kuna mitambo Miwili
Kinyerezi 1 150MW around 160mil usd
Kinyerezi 1 extension 185MW 188mil usd

Hio yote itapelekea Kinyerezi 1 kuzalisha 335MW

tuachane na hayo yote ..mimi point yangu inakuja kwenye Deni ambalo Tpdc alichukua kutoka exim china kujenga hili bomba na moja ya primary reason ilikuwa production ya umeme kwa kujenga Kinyerezi complex(1,1ext,2,3&4) itayozalisha 1625MW ..ila inaonekana tunarukia project nyingne before kumaliza what we started na hvyo bomba linakuwa under used
 

Kuna kitu kinaitwa diversification of energy sources! Its pretty wrong kuamua kutegemea gas au hydro kwenye uzalishaji wa umeme 100% na pia hata kiusalama haishauriwi pata picha pomba la gas la Mtwara-Kinyerezi likiharibika au ukame ukitokea! Alternatives r always a safe path iwe coal power plants, geothermal, solar, wind u name it but longterm cost should always be a determinant factor!

Gas ina matumizi mengi zaidi ya kuzalisha umeme ikiwemo kwenye petrochemical factories na pia heating uses majumbani, viwandani na hata kwenye magari! It makes sense kutumia kwenye hizi other sectors pia na si kuzalisha umeme tu! Kumbuka what will propel us further economical is the establishment of petrochemical factories like the plan for a fertilizer plant by Ferrostaal n other plastic and steel factories! No value chain ukilinganisha na ujenzi wa hydropower plant ambayo raw material za ujenzi zinapatikana hapa (aside hydro turbines), manpower intensive na inaweza kuambatana na irrigation n water supply schemes.

Kingine kuna total dependence of gas to electrical power plants kwa gas ambayo price yake ina-fluctuate wakati wote na pia mitambo ile kuhitaji servicing and maintenance ya mara kwa mara! Ukiangalia online mitambo hii ya Kinyerezi ujenzi wake umefanyika na makampuni ya nje CSI na Jacobsen Elektro! Kiuchumi si kitu kizuri ukizingatia tuna Tanesco and yet tuna-export jobs overseas.

Zaidi ya hayo kuna study zinafanyika kujua kina cha maji kiko vipi na hata estimation za kiasi cha umeme huzingatia hayo yani all seasonal flowrates! Wanaposema all year round capacity wana maana wameshafanya calculation zao na kuja na minimum amount! Kwangu mie bado naona hydropower kuwa a more realistic option kwetu sie na nimeangalia overall economic benefits kwetu!
 
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