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Chombaaaaa nakuunga mkono hapo.. forza milan
Arsenal (The Gunners) | Special Thread
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Mbu
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Gilberto and Kolo were 'forced' out....years in and out tatizo linajulikana kwamba ni vile vidingi wenye high shares kwenye hii club, IT IS NOT Arsene Wenger!
Ukikumbukia kwanini David Dein na Ms Chapman kilichowaondoa, na hata lawama zao kwa board, utagundua Mzee Wenger ni the most loyal manager in the club's history.
Kama hii team ingelegezewa 'salary cap' na fuko la usajili likae sawa, ....tungekuwa kwenye hadithi ingine kabisa hii miaka sita ilopita. Pamoja na matatizo yote, we r still the top four club consecutively, and champion league contender.
Together we stand.
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kwa hiyo unataka aje ac milan nini..
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:rant::rant::rant:Peter Hill-Wood says attacks on way Arsenal is run are 'utter rubbish'
• Chairman says Alisher Usmanov's criticisms 'not helpful'
• 'It's not as if we've been relegated,' says Hill-Wood
Arsenal's chairman, Peter Hill-Wood, has responded to criticism of the club's lack of spending after news of Robin van Persie's likely departure. Photograph: Nick Potts/PA
The Arsenal chairman, Peter Hill-Wood, has staunchly defended the running of the club against the vitriolic criticism levelled against the board by the 30% owner, the Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov. Hill-Wood maintained that Arsenal's policy of spending only what they earn is correct, as is the stance that the American majority owner Stan Kroenke, and former shareholders such as Hill-Wood who made millions selling their shares to Kroenke, should not be expected to put money into the club. Hill-Wood described Usmanov's attack on this approach, which Arsenal call a self-financing model, as "not at all helpful".
The chairman, who made £5.5m selling his shares to Kroenke, said the club provides Arsène Wenger with as much money as possible for players, but cannot compete with Manchester City's Abu Dhabi-backed wealth. At the end of a week in which Arsenal's captain, Robin van Persie, announced he will not sign a new contract, citing a lack of ambition for success, Hill-Wood said: "We don't have the same oil wealth that [City's owner] Sheikh Mansour has. He is prepared to pay astronomical figures for players; we cannot pay that sort of money, and we can't compete."
In his open letter to Arsenal's board on Thursday, Usmanov was scathing about the self-financing model, arguing it was, in effect, engineered by the former English shareholders, including Hill-Wood, to make personal fortunes. The owners' policy of not investing their own money in the club, Usmanov argued, meant Arsenal borrowed to build the Emirates Stadium (£260m), charge supporters very expensive ticket prices, yet still leave Wenger short of money to retain and sign star players.
"The self-financing model … allowed the major shareholders of the time … to benefit from [an] increase in the value of their holdings," the letter said. "All of these shareholders and board directors sold 100% of their holdings and cashed out at vast profits."
Alongside Hill-Wood pocketing £5.5m, the longstanding shareholder Richard Carr made more than £40m selling to Kroenke in 2009. Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, who also inherited her Arsenal shares, made £116m selling them to Kroenke last year. Danny Fiszman, who bought into Arsenal in the 1990s, first with a portion of the former vice-chairman's David Dein's stake, made £160m, the final sale to Kroenke made just before Fiszman died last year.
Hill-Wood said making so much money from selling his shares was "nice", explaining: "You wouldn't say no to a few million pounds." But he rejected as "complete and utter rubbish" the accusation that the club was run deliberately to increase the value of his and the other owners' shares, at the expense of supporters and a robust budget for Wenger.
"It was nice to make that money, but I was never involved in Arsenal for that reason," Hill-Wood said. "I was involved because I have been brought up to love Arsenal and that is my only concern." (Mhhh! Your only concern is to love Arsenal?...and you don't care at all about their performance as a team?)
Of Usmanov's intervention, the Arsenal chairman said: "I do not know what is trying to do really, I don't think he is right."
Arsenal's summer has been disrupted by Van Persie's public announcement that he does not intend to renew his contract after, he said, being left unconvinced by the club's plans to compete for trophies. The departures of Gaël Clichy and Samir Nasri last summer to City, where they did win the Premier League, and of Cesc Fábregas, the previous captain-talisman, have left Arsenal looking like a selling club in the age of big-spending plutocrat owners. Usmanov argued that the owners should invest by paying off the stadium debt, which was still £98m and cost £15m in interest last year.
However Hill-Wood argued, as does the chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, that the financial penalties due for early repayment make that unviable.
"It's simple to say we should put some money in, but it doesn't make any sense," Hill-Wood said. "We can't pay off the debt without huge penalties, and putting money in for any other reason doesn't make any sense at all. We give the manager as much money as we possibly can, and all we can do is continue. We have run the club sensibly, and we haven't done badly; it's not as if we have been relegated."
Usmanov, with whom Kroenke does not communicate, is also critical of the executive team, who brought in £33m commercial income last year, £70m less than Manchester United. He points to the board too, saying it would benefit from younger people with more football and major sports club experience. Gazidis, 47, is Arsenal's youngest director; Kroenke is 65 this month, Hill-Wood 76, Sir "Chips" Keswick 72, Lord Harris of Peckham 69 and the long-serving administrative stalwart Ken Friar is 78.
Hill-Wood acknowledged: "It would be good to have some young people on the board, but it is not as easy for young people who have full-time jobs to do that now as it was when I was a young man. However I do not think there is anything different we can be doing in the running of Arsenal." (non sense!)
:rant::rant::rant:Peter Hill-Wood says attacks on way Arsenal is run are 'utter rubbish'
• Chairman says Alisher Usmanov's criticisms 'not helpful'
• 'It's not as if we've been relegated,' says Hill-Wood
- David Conn
- guardian.co.uk, Friday 6 July 2012 23.02 BST
Arsenal's chairman, Peter Hill-Wood, has responded to criticism of the club's lack of spending after news of Robin van Persie's likely departure. Photograph: Nick Potts/PA
The Arsenal chairman, Peter Hill-Wood, has staunchly defended the running of the club against the vitriolic criticism levelled against the board by the 30% owner, the Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov. Hill-Wood maintained that Arsenal's policy of spending only what they earn is correct, as is the stance that the American majority owner Stan Kroenke, and former shareholders such as Hill-Wood who made millions selling their shares to Kroenke, should not be expected to put money into the club. Hill-Wood described Usmanov's attack on this approach, which Arsenal call a self-financing model, as "not at all helpful".
The chairman, who made £5.5m selling his shares to Kroenke, said the club provides Arsène Wenger with as much money as possible for players, but cannot compete with Manchester City's Abu Dhabi-backed wealth. At the end of a week in which Arsenal's captain, Robin van Persie, announced he will not sign a new contract, citing a lack of ambition for success, Hill-Wood said: "We don't have the same oil wealth that [City's owner] Sheikh Mansour has. He is prepared to pay astronomical figures for players; we cannot pay that sort of money, and we can't compete."
In his open letter to Arsenal's board on Thursday, Usmanov was scathing about the self-financing model, arguing it was, in effect, engineered by the former English shareholders, including Hill-Wood, to make personal fortunes. The owners' policy of not investing their own money in the club, Usmanov argued, meant Arsenal borrowed to build the Emirates Stadium (£260m), charge supporters very expensive ticket prices, yet still leave Wenger short of money to retain and sign star players.
"The self-financing model … allowed the major shareholders of the time … to benefit from [an] increase in the value of their holdings," the letter said. "All of these shareholders and board directors sold 100% of their holdings and cashed out at vast profits."
Alongside Hill-Wood pocketing £5.5m, the longstanding shareholder Richard Carr made more than £40m selling to Kroenke in 2009. Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, who also inherited her Arsenal shares, made £116m selling them to Kroenke last year. Danny Fiszman, who bought into Arsenal in the 1990s, first with a portion of the former vice-chairman's David Dein's stake, made £160m, the final sale to Kroenke made just before Fiszman died last year.
Hill-Wood said making so much money from selling his shares was "nice", explaining: "You wouldn't say no to a few million pounds." But he rejected as "complete and utter rubbish" the accusation that the club was run deliberately to increase the value of his and the other owners' shares, at the expense of supporters and a robust budget for Wenger.
"It was nice to make that money, but I was never involved in Arsenal for that reason," Hill-Wood said. "I was involved because I have been brought up to love Arsenal and that is my only concern." (Mhhh! Your only concern is to love Arsenal?...and you don't care at all about their performance as a team?)
Of Usmanov's intervention, the Arsenal chairman said: "I do not know what is trying to do really, I don't think he is right."
Arsenal's summer has been disrupted by Van Persie's public announcement that he does not intend to renew his contract after, he said, being left unconvinced by the club's plans to compete for trophies. The departures of Gaël Clichy and Samir Nasri last summer to City, where they did win the Premier League, and of Cesc Fábregas, the previous captain-talisman, have left Arsenal looking like a selling club in the age of big-spending plutocrat owners. Usmanov argued that the owners should invest by paying off the stadium debt, which was still £98m and cost £15m in interest last year.
However Hill-Wood argued, as does the chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, that the financial penalties due for early repayment make that unviable.
"It's simple to say we should put some money in, but it doesn't make any sense," Hill-Wood said. "We can't pay off the debt without huge penalties, and putting money in for any other reason doesn't make any sense at all. We give the manager as much money as we possibly can, and all we can do is continue. We have run the club sensibly, and we haven't done badly; it's not as if we have been relegated."
Usmanov, with whom Kroenke does not communicate, is also critical of the executive team, who brought in £33m commercial income last year, £70m less than Manchester United. He points to the board too, saying it would benefit from younger people with more football and major sports club experience. Gazidis, 47, is Arsenal's youngest director; Kroenke is 65 this month, Hill-Wood 76, Sir "Chips" Keswick 72, Lord Harris of Peckham 69 and the long-serving administrative stalwart Ken Friar is 78.
Hill-Wood acknowledged: "It would be good to have some young people on the board, but it is not as easy for young people who have full-time jobs to do that now as it was when I was a young man. However I do not think there is anything different we can be doing in the running of Arsenal." (non sense!)
Mbu
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:rant:
:rant::rant::rant:Peter Hill-Wood says attacks on way Arsenal is run are 'utter rubbish'
Chairman says Alisher Usmanov's criticisms 'not helpful'
'It's not as if we've been relegated,' says Hill-Wood
- David Conn
- guardian.co.uk, Friday 6 July 2012 23.02 BST
Arsenal's chairman, Peter Hill-Wood, has responded to criticism of the club's lack of spending after news of Robin van Persie's likely departure. Photograph: Nick Potts/PA
The Arsenal chairman, Peter Hill-Wood, has staunchly defended the running of the club against the vitriolic criticism levelled against the board by the 30% owner, the Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov. Hill-Wood maintained that Arsenal's policy of spending only what they earn is correct, as is the stance that the American majority owner Stan Kroenke, and former shareholders such as Hill-Wood who made millions selling their shares to Kroenke, should not be expected to put money into the club. Hill-Wood described Usmanov's attack on this approach, which Arsenal call a self-financing model, as "not at all helpful".
The chairman, who made £5.5m selling his shares to Kroenke, said the club provides Arsène Wenger with as much money as possible for players, but cannot compete with Manchester City's Abu Dhabi-backed wealth. At the end of a week in which Arsenal's captain, Robin van Persie, announced he will not sign a new contract, citing a lack of ambition for success, Hill-Wood said: "We don't have the same oil wealth that [City's owner] Sheikh Mansour has. He is prepared to pay astronomical figures for players; we cannot pay that sort of money, and we can't compete."
In his open letter to Arsenal's board on Thursday, Usmanov was scathing about the self-financing model, arguing it was, in effect, engineered by the former English shareholders, including Hill-Wood, to make personal fortunes. The owners' policy of not investing their own money in the club, Usmanov argued, meant Arsenal borrowed to build the Emirates Stadium (£260m), charge supporters very expensive ticket prices, yet still leave Wenger short of money to retain and sign star players.
"The self-financing model allowed the major shareholders of the time to benefit from [an] increase in the value of their holdings," the letter said. "All of these shareholders and board directors sold 100% of their holdings and cashed out at vast profits."
Alongside Hill-Wood pocketing £5.5m, the longstanding shareholder Richard Carr made more than £40m selling to Kroenke in 2009. Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, who also inherited her Arsenal shares, made £116m selling them to Kroenke last year. Danny Fiszman, who bought into Arsenal in the 1990s, first with a portion of the former vice-chairman's David Dein's stake, made £160m, the final sale to Kroenke made just before Fiszman died last year.
Hill-Wood said making so much money from selling his shares was "nice", explaining: "You wouldn't say no to a few million pounds." But he rejected as "complete and utter rubbish" the accusation that the club was run deliberately to increase the value of his and the other owners' shares, at the expense of supporters and a robust budget for Wenger.
"It was nice to make that money, but I was never involved in Arsenal for that reason," Hill-Wood said. "I was involved because I have been brought up to love Arsenal and that is my only concern." (Mhhh! Your only concern is to love Arsenal?...and you don't care at all about their performance as a team?)
Of Usmanov's intervention, the Arsenal chairman said: "I do not know what is trying to do really, I don't think he is right."
Arsenal's summer has been disrupted by Van Persie's public announcement that he does not intend to renew his contract after, he said, being left unconvinced by the club's plans to compete for trophies. The departures of Gaël Clichy and Samir Nasri last summer to City, where they did win the Premier League, and of Cesc Fábregas, the previous captain-talisman, have left Arsenal looking like a selling club in the age of big-spending plutocrat owners. Usmanov argued that the owners should invest by paying off the stadium debt, which was still £98m and cost £15m in interest last year.
However Hill-Wood argued, as does the chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, that the financial penalties due for early repayment make that unviable.
"It's simple to say we should put some money in, but it doesn't make any sense," Hill-Wood said. "We can't pay off the debt without huge penalties, and putting money in for any other reason doesn't make any sense at all. We give the manager as much money as we possibly can, and all we can do is continue. We have run the club sensibly, and we haven't done badly; it's not as if we have been relegated."
Usmanov, with whom Kroenke does not communicate, is also critical of the executive team, who brought in £33m commercial income last year, £70m less than Manchester United. He points to the board too, saying it would benefit from younger people with more football and major sports club experience. Gazidis, 47, is Arsenal's youngest director; Kroenke is 65 this month, Hill-Wood 76, Sir "Chips" Keswick 72, Lord Harris of Peckham 69 and the long-serving administrative stalwart Ken Friar is 78.
Hill-Wood acknowledged: "It would be good to have some young people on the board, but it is not as easy for young people who have full-time jobs to do that now as it was when I was a young man. However I do not think there is anything different we can be doing in the running of Arsenal." (non sense!)
......BAK, thx kwa kuliweka sawa hili. Wale wanaomlaumu Arsene Wenger na budget yake ya usajili ya £70m, bila kuathiri wage cap...wakajifunze tena mapato na matumizi---- bila kuathiri Quality.
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[h=1]The man to trust at Arsenal is not RVP, Usmanov or Kroenke... it's Wenger[/h] By Des Kelly
Arsene Wenger is not the problem at Arsenal. He never has been. He never will be. The Arsenal manager is one of the few men at the top of the game in this country who still appears to have a grasp on reality.
He is loyal to his club, even when billionaire oafs banging on the boardroom door clearly do not deserve his discretion. Wenger is loyal to his players, too, although many have let him down.
Above all he is loyal to his principles and his beliefs, ignoring the fickle whining from ungrateful fans and the tubby, executive-box clowns spluttering their chin-wobbling indignation over Robin van Persies departure into a glass of Chablis.
Cheerio: Robin van Persie has told Arsenal he wants out of the club
No! No! How can we lose him? they cry like giddy, teenage Justin Bieber fans. They demand Wenger must answer for this or go!, summoning up all their ignorance and parading it on Twitter. These people are cretins. They should be ignored.
The problem at Arsenal lies all around Wenger. He is beseiged by squabbles in the boardroom, ungrateful whelps in the dressing room and idiotic comment in the chatrooms.
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[/h]Right now, Van Persie is trying to pull off a very obvious con trick. The Dutchman, crowned Footballer of the Year after delivering for one season out of an injury-plagued eight, has announced Arsenal do not match my ambition.
Strange that. They certainly seemed to be sufficient for his desires when he was lying on the treatment table collecting the cash. But not any more, it seems.
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little piggy, declared Radiohead. And that is where Van Persie is now. For all his attempts to dress his exit up as some noble search for the Holy Grail he has so far been denied, its still pretty ugly.
He has no right to tell Wenger how to run the club. The Arsenal manager gave him his chance when Feyenoord dumped a young Van Persie on the transfer list for being a cocky pain in the backside.
The Dutchman has now repaid that debt by effectively trashing the quality of Wengers summer signings, Germany striker Lukas Podolski, a 27-year-old striker with more than 100 caps, and the France international and Ligue 1 top scorer, Olivier Giroud, for a combined total of £24million.
By any measure, thats great business. And it is also worth reminding everyone at this point that these excellent acquisitions have been added to a squad that finished third in the table last season.
Thats right, poor Arsenal. They finished only third in the most lucrative and competitive league in the world, behind a Manchester City that spent more money than Croesus to claim the title.
Clowns to the left, jokers to the right: Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger
Van Persie can do whatever he likes with his own career. He can refuse to sign new contracts, play for whoever he chooses, earn as much as he can and good luck to him in all that.
But to pose and posture as if he is being forced out of the club by their lack of ambition is insulting hogwash at this time. Wenger has undoubtedly bought well this summer and there may be more to come but it sounds as if Van Persie made his decision to let his contract expire long before Podolski and Giroud arrived.
Financial terms arent my priority, claimed the Arsenal captain, however he seems to be chasing the money we all know that because its sure to offer him a better chance of winning a medal.
Just because City have more money than any club in the world, that does not make Wenger less ambitious. Maybe he is just realistic. If Wenger decided Van Persie was worth less than City (or Real Madrid, or whoever) were prepared to offer, then whos to say he is wrong?
For arguments sake, what if Van Persie indicated he could get £240,000 a week elsewhere a substantial hike from his current £100,000 and Wenger took one look at that sum and decided he could not bring himself to hand over an annual rise of £7.3m a year? Would you say he was crazy or quite sane? Personally, Id applaud him.
But, shamefully, the clubs second-largest shareholder Alisher Usmanov jumped on the RVP bandwagon in an attempt to profit from the unrest. He seized the opportunity to stir the pot at Arsenal by hitting out at the principal owner Stan Kroenke. But, since Usmanov has not been given a place on the board despite his 30 per cent stake, we can guess what his motives might be.
The conflict behind the scenes suggests the manager may be fighting with one hand behind his back. But, in all of this, there is one man I would trust to have the best interests of the club at heart.
It is not Van Persie. It is not Kroenke. It is not Usmanov. It is Wenger.
Arsene Wenger is not the problem at Arsenal. He never has been. He never will be. The Arsenal manager is one of the few men at the top of the game in this country who still appears to have a grasp on reality.
He is loyal to his club, even when billionaire oafs banging on the boardroom door clearly do not deserve his discretion. Wenger is loyal to his players, too, although many have let him down.
Above all he is loyal to his principles and his beliefs, ignoring the fickle whining from ungrateful fans and the tubby, executive-box clowns spluttering their chin-wobbling indignation over Robin van Persies departure into a glass of Chablis.
No! No! How can we lose him? they cry like giddy, teenage Justin Bieber fans. They demand Wenger must answer for this or go!, summoning up all their ignorance and parading it on Twitter. These people are cretins. They should be ignored.
The problem at Arsenal lies all around Wenger. He is beseiged by squabbles in the boardroom, ungrateful whelps in the dressing room and idiotic comment in the chatrooms.
[h=3]
Strange that. They certainly seemed to be sufficient for his desires when he was lying on the treatment table collecting the cash. But not any more, it seems.
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little piggy, declared Radiohead. And that is where Van Persie is now. For all his attempts to dress his exit up as some noble search for the Holy Grail he has so far been denied, its still pretty ugly.
He has no right to tell Wenger how to run the club. The Arsenal manager gave him his chance when Feyenoord dumped a young Van Persie on the transfer list for being a cocky pain in the backside.
The Dutchman has now repaid that debt by effectively trashing the quality of Wengers summer signings, Germany striker Lukas Podolski, a 27-year-old striker with more than 100 caps, and the France international and Ligue 1 top scorer, Olivier Giroud, for a combined total of £24million.
By any measure, thats great business. And it is also worth reminding everyone at this point that these excellent acquisitions have been added to a squad that finished third in the table last season.
Thats right, poor Arsenal. They finished only third in the most lucrative and competitive league in the world, behind a Manchester City that spent more money than Croesus to claim the title.
Van Persie can do whatever he likes with his own career. He can refuse to sign new contracts, play for whoever he chooses, earn as much as he can and good luck to him in all that.
But to pose and posture as if he is being forced out of the club by their lack of ambition is insulting hogwash at this time. Wenger has undoubtedly bought well this summer and there may be more to come but it sounds as if Van Persie made his decision to let his contract expire long before Podolski and Giroud arrived.
Financial terms arent my priority, claimed the Arsenal captain, however he seems to be chasing the money we all know that because its sure to offer him a better chance of winning a medal.
Just because City have more money than any club in the world, that does not make Wenger less ambitious. Maybe he is just realistic. If Wenger decided Van Persie was worth less than City (or Real Madrid, or whoever) were prepared to offer, then whos to say he is wrong?
For arguments sake, what if Van Persie indicated he could get £240,000 a week elsewhere a substantial hike from his current £100,000 and Wenger took one look at that sum and decided he could not bring himself to hand over an annual rise of £7.3m a year? Would you say he was crazy or quite sane? Personally, Id applaud him.
But, shamefully, the clubs second-largest shareholder Alisher Usmanov jumped on the RVP bandwagon in an attempt to profit from the unrest. He seized the opportunity to stir the pot at Arsenal by hitting out at the principal owner Stan Kroenke. But, since Usmanov has not been given a place on the board despite his 30 per cent stake, we can guess what his motives might be.
The conflict behind the scenes suggests the manager may be fighting with one hand behind his back. But, in all of this, there is one man I would trust to have the best interests of the club at heart.
It is not Van Persie. It is not Kroenke. It is not Usmanov. It is Wenger.
mtotowamjini
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i love english football, i know arsenal just as much as i know about liverpool, chelsea man city and man utd. arsenal wants to spend some money bt am not sure if wenger does...arsenal needs to spend some money otherwise they would just remain behind and they would just be a mediocre team for years to come
MwafrikaHalisi
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