Dua,
This article which quotes Edgar Tekere who was ZANU secretary gen at the time of Zimbabwes independence disputes what you just posted. Tekere is a staunch critic of Mugabe, but he could not implicate Mugabe in Tongogara's death. Please read this.....
Kuhusu Mugabe kuwa TASA, mbona inaeleweka kwamba he lost the son he had with Sally in Ghana? Majuzi tu amekwenda kuhani kwenye kaburi la marehemu mwanawe. Zaidi Mugabe na Mama Grace wana watoto wawili.
DrWHO
I wrote the above to show you that I have up to date information about Zimbabwe but you do not understand. Only a narrow minded person won't understand.
fair enough
I don't need to do any research about Zimbabwe as I told you before; I know what is happening there right now and not only that we have ongoing projects which make me closer to what is happening on the ground. I don't support leaders who support western interests as you wish nor did I support a leader like Mugabe for his selfish end
neither do i
Aren't you the one who was advocating freedom of speech using Noam Chomsky's quotation etc.? What a hypocrite you are. Now you have changed because freedom of speech for Zimbabweans is nothing compared to your wishes and arguments. 3 million Zimbabweans fled the country because of a dictator what proof do you want?
People will always migrate regardless but lets face it in one of those links you posted there was a BBC report which claimed that 7 million are starving in Zimbabwe! come on lets be real here, Anyone who believes any of the propaganda that 7 million Zimbabweans are facing starvation needs to wake up! 7 million is half the population, 1 in 2! Starvation on that scale is unprecedented even in Ethiopia. Starvation on that scale is biblical and yet whenever you see these 'Zimbabweans' on BBC moaning about food shortages or torture they look suspisciously healthy. If there were really half of Zimbabweans starving then do you not think that they would have lots of footage of emaciated people? The people 'protesting' look healthier than some of my friends in UK!
What debate do you want? I'm beginning to wonder of your doctorate may be we should start debating about your integrity. What has the war in Iraq got to do with Zimbabwe? In actual fact I do praise people of Zimbabwe for their maturity to fight a monstrous dictator. I just gave you little information about Zimbabwe and I told you if surely you want to debate Zimbabwe you better go on their forum because that is where people can counter your nonsense issues. I know the truth about Zimbabwe and that is a fact.[/QUOTE]
Funny how Mugabe's human rights record was only an issue when he started land reform. What an insult to think that the west even gives a monkeys about the supposed loss of black life when the only time they howl about it is when their own interests are threatened. It's easy to harp on about so called human rights abuses in Zim as if it's on some Nazi scale. It's not. Even Amnesty International cannot make a good case about Zimbabwe as the UN a few years back stated that Zim 'had no case to answer'. How can anyone take seriously someone's account of 'having to flee' for their political beliefs when there are members of the opposition living freely AND knocking on doors campaiging in Zimbabwe? What about the loss of black life in custody in UK and USA prisons? Lets lay all these human rights abuses at the door of Blair and Bush as people are doing with Mugabe.
Regardless of Mugabe's well documented 'sins', when African history is written by real Africans he will be judged as a hero. If you think I'm lying just consider Winston Churchill and all he did for the British people during wartime. Apparently he was also responsible for having the Kurds gassed. Not just Hitler doing the gassing eh?
I ask you a simple question why didn't Tanzania sent troops to fight in Congo you never answered, and again I gave you an example of Mugabe using USD 1.2 million for his birth day, you never responded and you talk about a debate, what debate?
Well,i did not want to answer that question as it was not related to the land reforms in Zimabbwe but if you want my my short answer on why Tanzania did not go to fight in Congo then its as follows:
-We did not have a reason to invade that country as we were under no threat from the Congolese army
-It's was and still is not Tanzania's foreign policy to invade other countries unless we were inivaded
-Its was not in Tanzania's national interest to do so
-We are not proponents of illegal military adventures
No I do not condone $1.2 for his birthday party and neither do i condone Ghana Spending $50 million to celebrate their independence or simply Tanzania spending so much for its Presidents Jet
People will always migrate regardless but lets face it in one of those links you posted there was a BBC report which claimed that 7 million are starving in Zimbabwe! come on lets be real here, Anyone who believes any of the propaganda that 7 million Zimbabweans are facing starvation needs to wake up! 7 million is half the population, 1 in 2! Starvation on that scale is unprecedented even in Ethiopia. Starvation on that scale is biblical and yet whenever you see these 'Zimbabweans' on BBC moaning about food shortages or torture they look suspisciously healthy. If there were really half of Zimbabweans starving then do you not think that they would have lots of footage of emaciated people? The people 'protesting' look healthier than some of my friends in UK!
Funny how Mugabe's human rights record was only an issue when he started land reform. What an insult to think that the west even gives a monkeys about the supposed loss of black life when the only time they howl about it is when their own interests are threatened. It's easy to harp on about so called human rights abuses in Zim as if it's on some Nazi scale. It's not. Even Amnesty International cannot make a good case about Zimbabwe as the UN a few years back stated that Zim 'had no case to answer'. How can anyone take seriously someone's account of 'having to flee' for their political beliefs when there are members of the opposition living freely AND knocking on doors campaiging in Zimbabwe? What about the loss of black life in custody in UK and USA prisons? Lets lay all these human rights abuses at the door of Blair and Bush as people are doing with Mugabe.
Regardless of Mugabe's well documented 'sins', when African history is written by real Africans he will be judged as a hero. If you think I'm lying just consider Winston Churchill and all he did for the British people during wartime. Apparently he was also responsible for having the Kurds gassed. Not just Hitler doing the gassing eh?
Well,i did not want to answer that question as it was not related to the land reforms in Zimbabwe but if you want my my short answer on why Tanzania did not go to fight in Congo then its as follows:............................................
zimbabwejournalists.com
1st Mar 2007 01:31 GMT
By a Correspondent
HARARE - Trudy Stevenson, the Member of Parliament for Harare North, was
ejected from Parliament yesterday for attempting to defend the freedom of
the airwaves in Zimbabwe after she heckled a deputy minister in the
150-member House on the issue.
Stevenson was responding to an answer given by information deputy minister,
Bright Matonga, on why the Zimbabwe government is jamming independent radio
stations such as SW Radioafrica, Studio 7 and Radio Voice of the People that
operate from the United Kingdom, the United States and the Netherlands
respectively.
Matonga, who is currently implicated in a corruption trial in the matter of
a ZUPCO bus tender while he was the chief executive officer of ZUPCO, had
been asked to clarify the government's position on independent radio
stations and why the government was using ruthless means to ensure listeners
were deprived of news.
The question was not on the order paper.
Matonga gloated he was glad that the opposition MDC had noted his government
had the power to jam broadcasts of "propaganda" against the State from
outside the country and confirmed they indeed were jamming those broadcasts.
He said he was also pleased that listeners, mainly those in the rural areas
that do not even receive the local FM stations were no longer receiving the
independent radio station broadcasts as their frequencies were being
disturbed by government agents.
A desk within the Central Intelligence Organisation (CIO) has been set up to
deal specifically with the jamming of the three radio stations' frequencies.
Matonga told Parliament the Zimbabwe government was right to block the radio
stations from reaching people in Zimbabwe, adding the UK did not receive
broadcasts from foreign countries.
"We cannot allow foreigners to invade our airwaves without our authority. We
will continue to do it. We need to protect our sovereignty. If you go to
England you will not receive any foreign radio station," said Matonga.
At this, Stevenson heckled Matonga saying loudly that his statement was
incorrect. To the contrary, the UK received thousands of foreign stations
broadcasting into the country everyday.
Many more heckles were exchanged across the floor, forcing acting Speaker,
Kumbirai Kangai, to order Stevenson out of the chamber.
The Zimbabwe government has since last year been jamming independent radio
stations that broadcast into the country through equipment sourced from
China resulting in many failing to receive the stations on their radios.
The government has also gone out of its way to confiscate radios donated to
rural communities and teachers in particular saying they are being used as
agents for regime change by those donating them.
This has forced broadcasters such as SW Radio Africa to come up with
innovative ways through which to send news back to listeners in Zimbabwe.
The London-based stations is now sending daily text messages to people in
Zimbabwe to feed them on news about their country.
e.wale wanaolalamika kwamba Mugabe ameingia hasara tu na hawakupata faida zozote kiuchumi. Hivi tumesahau Zambia,Tanzani,Mozambique,na nchi zote zilizosaidia Zimbabwe kupata uhuru vilevile hazikufaidika kiuchumi? Wenye kutoa malalamiko hayo ni wabinafsi na hawajui historia.
He said the country's economic difficulties were forcing its citizens to leave like passengers jumping from the sinking ship to save their lives.
He called for a new approach as quiet diplomacy was not producing results. Meanwhile, the UK's leader Tony Blair told the British parliament that the solution to Zimbabwe's problems had to come ultimately from within Africa.
An estimated 3m Zimbabweans, about a quarter of the total population, have fled the country in recent years.
Scores of activists have been arrested and allegedly assaulted after police broke up a banned rally in Harare on 11 March.
Four senior MDC officials were prevented from leaving the country, some to seek treatment for injuries they say were sustained in police custody.
Forthright
The BBC's Grant Ferrett in Johannesburg says the remarks by Mr Mwanawasa are among the strongest made by any of Zimbabwe's neighbours during years of economic turmoil and political confrontation.
Mr Mwanawasa did not mention Zimbabwe by name, but said a member of the Southern African Development Community (Sadc) had sunk into "serious difficulties".
"As I am speaking right now, one Sadc country has sunk into such economic difficulties that it may be likened to a sinking Titanic whose passengers are jumping out in a bid to save their lives," Mr Mwanawasa said during a state visit to Namibia. "Zambia has so far been an advocate of quiet diplomacy and continues to believe in it, but the twist of events in the troubled country necessitates the adoption of a new approach."
Our correspondent says such a change would need the support of South Africa. Over the past week, South Africa has become more forthright in its remarks, but is not yet willing to openly criticise President Robert Mugabe's government. Mr Blair said the solution to Zimbabwe will not come through pressure applied by the UK. "That pressure has got to be applied within Africa and particularly within the African Union," the British prime minister said.
"We will continue to do all we can to make sure Africa realises this is a responsibility of Africa as well as the Zimbabwean government."
Profiteering
In Zimbabwe itself, the governor of the central bank, Gideon Gono, has complained that increases of about 200% in the price of petrol had made life unbearable. He said that the spirit of profiteering had become as deadly as HIV and Aids. Mr Gono warned that the law would be used to prevent people being ripped off. Our reporter says the fuel price rises merely reflect the continuing collapse in value of the Zimbabwe dollar.
Mr Mugabe has ruled Zimbabwe for 27 years, but there is increasing discontent over the country's economic crisis.
More than 80% of Zimbabweans are living in poverty, with chronic unemployment and inflation running at more than 1,700% - the highest in the world.
INTERESTED OBSERVER WROTErWho you are selling yourself too cheap, to be assimilated, you're going back to our " as usual authorised syllabus" in your thesis, or research, when you do not add words like "victims of cultural imperialism", "bash with western imperialism" then your revolutionary civic professor will not consider your thesis as a "quote". Listen, watch and read carefully, are those bad pictures representing Western media propaganda?
I am sure for people like you would even say Darfur is also Western Media propaganda.
Tsvangirai was a Labour union leader who after seeing Mugabe lacking ability to rule the country formed MDC, which threatened Mugabes rule. In 2000 MDC swept most of the seats in parliament. Before MDC whites in Zimbabwe were friends to Mugabe. Read careful why Mugabe waited to nationalise land after more than two decades. He got support from the whites.The same whites after seeing that MDC was talking in different style, good governance, with the rule of law, democracy and all sorts of encouraging politics, they turned away from Mugabe, and started supporting MDC.
ohh well...thats doesnt stop people from congratulating him from taking that bold moveRead careful, and listen careful, when did you hear Tsvangirai advocating about supporting whites? He didn't support at any time the violent take over of the land, he advocated the lawful redistribution of the land to landless blacks. No one day he said once he gets power he will return the land to whites.Mugabe is a clever guy, after loosing grip to the soldiers who fought in DRC, and after suffering economic downfall, he had only one option in hand, (because at that time even the ordinary people knew that Mugabe was going out of power), the land. This worked very well as it was taken as correction of the past colonial era's sins...
Today is 21st century world, people live too short or too busy to start blaming a white man for eveything, let us correct our wrongs first, we are facing critical time in Africa, nobody is interested in these theories!