'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!

[Hb wa Ilala]

When you say NOTHING, you have already concluded that its nothing. So, you can not prove something that you have already concluded that it is nothing.

We know that God is not NOTHING, but a Super - being.

..Prove if HE exists and if HE is that SUPER,mbona ana contradions nyingi????

 

[always am a Winner]

Umeeleza vizuri sana nimependa hii hoja.Sababu ili ujue kuwa kitu fulani kipo lazima uwe na facts zisizo na shaka zinazothibitisha kuwa hicho kitu kipo na kama kitu fulani hakipo ni lazima tena uwe na facts zinazothibitisha kutokuwepo kwake.

Hii iko hivi na inaeleweka lakini naona wengine humu wanajaribu kukimbia hii hoja kwa kutafuta kichaka cha kujificha kwa kusema kisichokuepo hakithibitishiki.
Huku ni kukosa hoja ya kile wanachokiamini.

Yani unasema hakuna bahari yenye maji ya moto wadadisi wanapokuuliza kwanini, thibitisha unasema siwezi sababu kisichokuepo hakithibitishiki.
Huku ni kushindwa kwa hoja.

Mzee, haupo mbali na Ufalme wa Mungu.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Unakubali framework ya logic?

Hahaaaa kwa hiyo 'framework ya logic' ndo fall back yako, sio?

Come on man...contradiction is not necessarily evidence of non-existence.

If anything it's evidence of lack of knowledge.

 

[Kiranga]

Hahaaaa kwa hiyo 'framework ya logic' ndo fall back yako?

Come on man...contradiction is not necessarily evidence of non-existence.

If anything it's evidence of lack of knowledge.

Hujanijibu kama unakubali framework ya logic bado.

Twende point kwa point ili tuweze kuchambua mambo vizuri.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Hujanijibu kama unakubali framework ya logic bado.

Twende point kwa point ili tuweze kuchambua mambo vizuri.

We mwenyewe hujanijibu niliyokuuliza.

Hebu rudi angalia uone nilichokuuliza.

Jibu kwanza halafu tuende pointi kwa pointi.

 

[always am a Winner]

....Na kinachosababisha wewe uote ndoto usiku ni nini? Hiyari? au Hotokea tu?

Umeielewa topic lakini? Naona kama hujaielewa, embu isome tena.

 

[always am a Winner]

Kwahiyo kutokujua kwake inathibitisha kuwa hakuna mungu?

 

[always am a Winner]

You are trying to reverse the irreversible.

Like trying to read the Roman alphabet left to right.

Of course you do not make sense.

I do not want to believe. I want to know.

You want to know but you use incorrect approach.

Its just as if you want to prove that oxygen exist by seeing it. You CANT.

Achana na Roman Alphabets, yoyote anayekataa kuwa kitu hakipo lazima awe na ushahidi. Very simple.

Huwezi kuthibitisha kitu ambacho hakipo hakipo, lakini unaweza kuthibitisha kuwa kitu HAKIPO.

 

[Hb wa Ilala]

You want to know but you use incorrect approach.

Its just as if you want to prove that oxygen exist by seeing it. You CANT.

Achana na Roman Alphabets, yoyote anayekataa kuwa kitu hakipo lazima awe na ushahidi. Very simple.

Huwezi kuthibitisha kitu ambacho hakipo hakipo, lakini unaweza kuthibitisha kuwa kitu HAKIPO.

..oxygen inaweza ikapimwa na ikaonekana leave along its Impact in daily life Unlike God ambae anasemwa Yupo but he doesn't suffice the qualities that he Is given that onli proves he isn't there its a Tale

 

[always am a Winner]

Bila logic huwezi kuwa na Mungu.

Huwezi kuwa na haja ya kuwa na Mungu.

Usi judge idea kwa sababu ya aliyeisema au kuikubali. Ichambue mwenyewe.

To be human is to be intelligent, the rest is hard work and chance.

Moreover, ukisema kwamba kuna extremely intelligent scientists who believe God exists na kuna extremely intelligent scientists who believe God does not exists, that pretty much cancels itself out and is not even worth mentioning, why even mention it?

I mentioned that because it is a FACT. It is not important to know philosophy or to be extremely intelligent to justify that God exist or not exist.

You need to use your incorruptible brain reasoning.

Kama ungesema unaamini kuwa kuna intelligence imetumika katika kuumba lakini huwezi kujua kama ni Mungu au la, ningeweza kukusaidia kwa urahisi sana namna ya kujitoa kwenye huo mtego.

But you never said that intelligence can be seen in DNA and other creation. You don't want to declare the Universal Truth!

 

[Kiranga]

We mwenyewe hujanijibu niliyokuuliza.

Hebu rudi angalia uone nilichokuuliza.

Jibu kwanza halafu tuende pointi kwa pointi.

Swali langu lina address msingi wa mazungumzo yetu.

Ukikubali framework ya logic, unakubali kwamba contradiction inaonesha habari ina makosa na haiwezi kuwa kweli kama ilivyoletwa, contradiction inatakiwa kuwa resolved.

Mungu mjuzi wa yote, mwenye uwezo wote na upendo wote ambaye kaumba ulimwengu huu unaoruhusu maovu wakati alikuwa na uwezo wa kuumba ulimwengu ambao hauruhusu maovu ni contradiction, hivyo hayupo, angalau hayupo kama hivyo anavyosemwa.

Ukikataa framework ya logic, hata huyo Mungu mwenyewe anakosa haja ya kuwapo kwa sababu msingi wa Mungu kuwapo ni logical (first mover is about the logic of sequence and cause and effect, creator pretty much the same thing, the very act of arguing for the existence of God is logical, because it is an argument)

So, if you accept the framework of logic the God idea has a problem.

If you do not accept the framework of logic the God idea has a big problem.In fact the problem becomes so big nothing can make sense, because anything making sense is that anything being logical.

 

[Kiranga]

You want to know but you use incorrect approach.

Its just as if you want to prove that oxygen exist by seeing it. You CANT.

Achana na Roman Alphabets, yoyote anayekataa kuwa kitu hakipo lazima awe na ushahidi. Very simple.

Huwezi kuthibitisha kitu ambacho hakipo hakipo, lakini unaweza kuthibitisha kuwa kitu HAKIPO.

Wapi nimesema nataka kumuona Mungu?

 

[always am a Winner]

..hizo ni emotions ndugu Yangu,ur not even sure ur Intelligent maana Hili ni neno tu limechaguliwa kuelezea hii hisia kama ambavyo sad lingeweza kutumika kuelezea furaha

Jibu swali, Can you prove that someone is thinking bad thing right now? Ndiyo au Hapana?

Kama Hapana, je, huko kunazuia mtu kufikiria wazo baya juu yako?

 

[Hb wa Ilala]

Jibu swali, Can you prove that someone is thinking bad thing right now? Ndiyo au Hapana?

Kama Hapana, je, huko kunazuia mtu kufikiria wazo baya juu yako?

..one can't determine a thought is Bad or Good mpka mtu ametenda kitu kwaio i can't prove thought na hakuna wazo zuri au Baya mpka liwe converted into an action

 

[always am a Winner]

..Prove if HE exists and if HE is that SUPER,mbona ana contradions nyingi????

Hivi unajua kuwa mdogo wako anaweza kuwa na vitu vingi anavyoona ni contradiction kuliko wewe?

Seeing contradictions may implies the current limit of your thinking capacity.

 

[Kiranga]

I mentioned that because it is a FACT. It is not important to know philosophy or to be extremely intelligent to justify that God exist or not exist.

You need to use your incorruptible brain reasoning.

Kama ungesema unaamini kuwa kuna intelligence imetumika katika kuumba lakini huwezi kujua kama ni Mungu au la, ningeweza kukusaidia kwa urahisi sana namna ya kujitoa kwenye huo mtego.

But you never said that intelligence can be seen in DNA and other creation. You don't want to declare the Universal Truth!

What is a fact?

 

[Kiranga]

Hivi unajua kuwa mdogo wako anaweza kuwa na vitu vingi anavyoona ni contradiction kuliko wewe?

Seeing contradictions may implies the current limit of your thinking capacity.

That does not prove God exists.

Can you prove God exists?

 

[Hb wa Ilala]

Hivi unajua kuwa mdogo wako anaweza kuwa na vitu vingi anavyoona ni contradiction kuliko wewe?

Seeing contradictions may implies the current limit of your thinking capacity.

..thats why this is a debate,kama hii current limit of my capacity why hasn't anyone else eradated this contradictions I have???its because no one knows better

 

[always am a Winner]

..oxygen inaweza ikapimwa na ikaonekana leave along its Impact in daily life Unlike God ambae anasemwa Yupo but he doesn't suffice the qualities that he Is given that onli proves he isn't there its a Tale

Hujaelewa logic yangu. Oxygen inathibitishwa kwa kupimwa na siyo kwa kuiangalia. That was my logic.

 

[Hb wa Ilala]

Hujaelewa logic yangu. Oxygen inathibitishwa kwa kupimwa na siyo kwa kuiangalia. That was my logic.

..how do we prove the existance of God??