Nadhani mjadala umekwisha sasa. Pamoja na ukweli kwamba nilikukwa kimya kwa muda, Napenda kuchukua fursa hii kukushuru ndugu nyani na ndugu massanja kwa michango yenu. Pia wote wenye mtazamo tofauti, pokeeni pongezi zangu. Naomba kutoa hoja.
Kwanza moja wewe huna akili kwa sababu kama ungekua na akili kwanza usingeandika humu kiingereza kigumu , pili kama kweli ungekua na akili ya kufikiria ungewaza hayo uliyoyasema, utaona kua kama leo hii ukienda india au china au nchi yeyote ila na ukataka kutafuta ushahidi wa kitu fulani ambacho wewe mwenyewe unakiamini utakipata tuu, kwa hiyo kama unaamini kuwa watu weusi hawana akili na unataka kuthibitisha hilo basi utaweza kufanya hivyo vile vile pia kama ungetaka kuamini kwamba watu weusi wana akili na ungetaka kuthibitisha hilo ungeweza vilevile, na hizo takwimu zako sijui umezitoa wapi na naomba uniambia na unithibitishie kuwa kuna wahingi na wachina wengi waliosoma kuliko waafrika kwa asilimia kulinganisha na idadi ya watu wao.Hello Forum,
I think the point Prof Watson was making is we can infer the level of intelligence among Blacks. This can happen prior to having any DNA evidence to prove it. The same way we infer there is gravity even though there is no scientific evidence to prove it. I believe this inference is drawn from the following facts:
1. Other races that reside in Africa are better off than Blacks. Indians, Arabs, Whites etc on average have better living standards than Blacks. So clearly the environment is NOT the culprit. Africa is not the problem it is the citizens that inhabit her. If you bring Whites or Asians for instance to occupy Africa, within 2 generations it will look completely different in terms of development. We have seen the evidence of this when European colonialists managed to build great prosperous African
societies. So it is not the environment.
2. The number of highly educated Blacks is relatively low compared to other races. For example there is only one woman with a PhD in Chemical Engineering at UDSM and I am not sure if that woman is even Black. The number of Black Phds is lower than that of other races. So yes, there are extremely smart Blacks but they are statistical anomalies. We can't use them as a measuring stick for general Black intelligence as mentioned by Professor Watson.
3. Blacks struggle even outside Africa. Look at Haiti for instance. Even the Blacks who reside in Europe and North America struggle. Is this still environment? If it is racism then how come Asians prosper in Western societies? Racism is not impeding their progress.
4. Standardized test scores such as SAT, GMAT, GRE etc show that Blacks have the lowest scores on average. Yes, there are some Blacks who ace these exams but on average Black students struggle. Why?? Are these tests cultural biased? Then how come Chinese students and other Asian students ace these tests?? How do they manage to overcome those cultural biases and do well in these standardized tests?
If we seriously look at the above points we will begin to see the point Professor Watson was making. I think the discussion should be how can Blacks improve their intelligence. The average IQ of populations tend to flactuate and rise over generations. What factors contribute to this rise? This is where the debate should be in order to help Africa.
Just my cents!!
Hello Forum,
I think the point Prof Watson was making is we can infer the level of intelligence among Blacks. This can happen prior to having any DNA evidence to prove it. The same way we infer there is gravity even though there is no scientific evidence to prove it. I believe this inference is drawn from the following facts:
1. Other races that reside in Africa are better off than Blacks. Indians, Arabs, Whites etc on average have better living standards than Blacks. So clearly the environment is NOT the culprit. Africa is not the problem it is the citizens that inhabit her. If you bring Whites or Asians for instance to occupy Africa, within 2 generations it will look completely different in terms of development. We have seen the evidence of this when European colonialists managed to build great prosperous African societies. So it is not the environment.
2. The number of highly educated Blacks is relatively low compared to other races. For example there is only one woman with a PhD in Chemical Engineering at UDSM and I am not sure if that woman is even Black. The number of Black Phds is lower than that of other races. So yes, there are extremely smart Blacks but they are statistical anomalies. We can't use them as a measuring stick for general Black intelligence as mentioned by Professor Watson.
3. Blacks struggle even outside Africa. Look at Haiti for instance. Even the Blacks who reside in Europe and North America struggle. Is this still environment? If it is racism then how come Asians prosper in Western societies? Racism is not impeding their progress.
4. Standardized test scores such as SAT, GMAT, GRE etc show that Blacks have the lowest scores on average. Yes, there are some Blacks who ace these exams but on average Black students struggle. Why?? Are these tests cultural biased? Then how come Chinese students and other Asian students ace these tests?? How do they manage to overcome those cultural biases and do well in these standardized tests?
If we seriously look at the above points we will begin to see the point Professor Watson was making. I think the discussion should be how can Blacks improve their intelligence. The average IQ of populations tend to flactuate and rise over generations. What factors contribute to this rise? This is where the debate should be in order to help Africa.
Just my cents!!
Kwa maoni yangu mi nadhani hoja hapa ni ingenuity na si IQ. Mambo ya IQ yanahusiana mno na mambo ya darasani ambayo kuna ushahidi wa kuridhisha kuwa hakuna race iliyo zaidi ya nyenzake ktk hilo. Sasa unaweza ukakuta mtu mwenye IQ kubwa na vile vile ni ingenious. Kuwa ingenious siyo lazima uwe na IQ kubwa (tukifuata mbinu za kitaaluma zinazotumika kupimia) na mtu huyu anaweza akafeli vibaya ktk hizo test za kupima IQ. Oxford Advanced Learner's dictionary ina define ingenuity hivi: "the talent for solving problems in a clever original way" In Africa we have a bunch of problems. Do we have the talent to solve them in a clever original way or we look for the west to come and solve them for us?
Hilo swali hakuna mtu atakujibu humu mimi nimeuliza mapaka nikakata tamaa, na ndio maana nasema humu watu wengi hawana akili kwa maana wanapapalikia vitu ambavyo wala hawavielewi, ukiwauliza maswali hawayajibu, na wanachagua kaneno ulikoandika na kugeuza ndio ulichomaanisha, kama mtu hawezi kutumbia hiyo iq inapimwaje je atawezaje kukaa hapa na mkundu wake na kutuambia kuwa waafrika wana iq ndogo kama hata hajui manake nini, Je wewe huoni kua unajadili na watu wenye uwezo mdogo wa kiakili?Hivi IQ inapimwaje?
Kijakazi unaweza tu kutoa maoni yako bila kuwa na lugha chafu ya matusi. Saa ingine lugha chafu ya matusi inapotumika unecessarily inaashiria inferiority complex.Hilo swali hakuna mtu atakujibu humu mimi nimeuliza mapaka nikakata tamaa, na ndio maana nasema humu watu wengi hawana akili kwa maana wanapapalikia vitu ambavyo wala hawavielewi, ukiwauliza maswali hawayajibu, na wanachagua kaneno ulikoandika na kugeuza ndio ulichomaanisha, kama mtu hawezi kutumbia hiyo iq inapimwaje je atawezaje kukaa hapa na mkundu wake na kutuambia kuwa waafrika wana iq ndogo kama hata hajui manake nini, Je wewe huoni kua unajadili na watu wenye uwezo mdogo wa kiakili?
Hivi IQ inapimwaje?
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hebu toka huko hujui hata jinsi ya kukwoti halafu unataka mdahalo wa IQ...go figure!!!!
Hilo swali hakuna mtu atakujibu humu mimi nimeuliza mapaka nikakata tamaa, na ndio maana nasema humu watu wengi hawana akili kwa maana wanapapalikia vitu ambavyo wala hawavielewi, ukiwauliza maswali hawayajibu, na wanachagua kaneno ulikoandika na kugeuza ndio ulichomaanisha, kama mtu hawezi kutumbia hiyo iq inapimwaje je atawezaje kukaa hapa na mkundu wake na kutuambia kuwa waafrika wana iq ndogo kama hata hajui manake nini, Je wewe huoni kua unajadili na watu wenye uwezo mdogo wa kiakili?
Watu wengi wanashindwa kujibu kwa sababu wanashindwa kutofautisha mafanikio ya darasani na maana ya IQ. Na wengi wanachukua mtu aliyefanikiwa shuleni na kuwa na honors basi ana IQ kubwa. Hayo ni maarifa, jitihada na displine ya kusoma inaweza kumfanya mtu yoyote kufanikiwa katika maarifa.
Waandaji wa test za IQ ni Psychologists. Na test hizi hutakiwi kijiandaa na matokeo yake hayabadiliki sana. Ziko standard tests na zipo online test. Nenda kwa psychologist na uliza test ya IQ na utapewa au atakwambia wapi uende kufanya test.
vile vile unaweza hawa jamaa wanatoa habari nzuri tu kuhusu IQ http://www.mensa.org/index0.php?page=10
Mtoto wa ndugu yangu IQ test yake ilikuwa 126 akiwa shule ya vidudu na zaidi ya umri wake. Lakini sasa ni mvuta bangi na
hakumaliza shule kwa sababu shule ilikuwa ina-bore tu. Hivyo watu wenye IQ kubwa au ambao walikuwa na uwezo wa kuwa na IQ kubwa wanapatikana katika fani zote za maisha. Wako wezi, waendesha madaladala na wataalamu.
Asante sana dada maryamu...............
I think the bottom line is African countries were not ready for independence from colonial powers. The argument that European colonialism ruined Africa is not entirely correct. During colonialism, African countries had good governance, viable economies, sound infrastructure, sound social services, order was kept, etc. Europeans built schools, hospitals, roads, farming estates etc that for the most part benefited Africans. Then it came the independence movement all across Africa. Europeans were removed from power and African leaders took over. Boy, what a mess they created. Just about every African country went down the drain. Everything from economic instabilities to civil wars to starvation happened in Africa.
However now in an ironic twist of fate, African countries are begging Europeans to return as investors. But this time the bargaining chips are all in European hands. The contracts are negotiated in 90% and 10% in favor of Europeans. Africans complain about these contracts, Europeans say either accept the 10% deal or starve. LOL! What a pickle Africans have found themselves in. Some Africans grow even more frustrated and line at the embassies of the same Europeans they removed 50 years ago begging for Visas to live in their countries. Some African leaders still do not learn this lesson to this day. Mugabe ejects White farmers that supported the economy and fed the people. The country's economy plummets to over 1000% inflation rate. A Zimbabwean millionaire is worth about one Euro!! Amazing indeed, people are eating rats just to keep from starving. Some Africans never learn perhaps deep down they can't run their own affairs.
Africa remains the poorest region in the world today. Who is to blame? European colonialism? Globalization? Read my posts and you will conclude it is Africans themselves that are to blame. Professor Watson has a point. Call him a racist all you want. The facts and reality are hard to ignore.
Source: BBC News.Race row DNA scientist quits lab
His comments led event organisers to cancel his appearances
A Nobel laureate who claimed Africans were less clever than Europeans has retired from his post at an American research institution.
James Watson, 79, and the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York announced his departure on Thursday.
The DNA pioneer triggered an international furore over his remarks in a British newspaper interview.
In his retirement statement, Dr Watson said his decision was "more than overdue" because of his age.
The scientist added: "The circumstances in which this transfer is occurring, however, are not those which I could ever have anticipated or desired."
Suspended
Eduardo Mestre, chairman of the board of Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, said in a statement: "The board respects his decision to retire at this point in his career."
The laboratory, based in Long Island, suspended him after his comments appeared in the Sunday Times Magazine of London on 14 October.
Dr Watson helped unravel the structure of DNA
Profile: Dr James Watson
He was quoted as saying he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really".
He said that while he hoped everyone was equal, "people who have to deal with black employees find this is not true".
The Chicago-born academic also said people should not be discriminated against on the basis of race, because "there are many people of colour who are very talented".
Speaking engagements were cancelled in the aftermath of the interview's publication. He later apologised for the comments.
Dr Watson was a joint winner in 1962 of the Nobel Prize for discovering the structure of DNA, the molecule that lies at the heart of heredity in living organisms.