Udini CCM? - viongozi waislam ni 75

[Peasant]

Mafisadi Yamevamia Jf Na Ukabila Na Udini!
Karibuni Sana Jf...eti Peasant?!
UNAJUWA MAANA YA PEASANT WEWE?

I just hope you didn't forget to take your medication today! Get life bro!

 

[jmushi1]

I just hope you didn't forget to take your medication today! Get life bro!

Uncle usije kwa majina tofauti!
Maana naona unakoelekea!Kama unafikiri mimi naogopa chochote..UMEKOSEA!
Kuna hoja gani wewe na wapambe wako mmeshawahi shinda dhidi yangu?
IPI? Mkileta personal mi namwaga data tu!

 

[Mgaya]

Na sasa nimeweka tena haya majina na dini zao ili kuweka hii point.

1. Ndugu Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete - Mwenyekiti - Muslim
2. Ndugu Pius Msekwa - Makamu Mwenyekiti (Bara) -
3. Ndugu Amani Abeid Amani Karume - Makamu Mwenyekiti(Zanzibar) - Muslim
4. Ndugu Yussuf R. Makamba - Katibu Mkuu - Muslim
5. Capt. (mst) George Huruma Mkuchika - Naibu Katibu Mkuu (Bara)
6. Ndugu Salehe Ramadhan Ferouz - Naibu Katibu Mkuu (Zanzibar)- Muslim
7. Dr. Ali Mohamed Shein - Mjumbe - Muslim
8. Ndugu Mizengo Kayanza Peter Pinda - Mjumbe
9. Ndugu Shamsi Vuai Nahodha - Mjumbe - Muslim
10. Alhaj Ali Hassan Mwinyi - Mjumbe - Muslim
11. Ndugu Benjamin William Mkapa - Mjumbe
12. Mzee Rashid Mfaume Kawawa - Mjumbe - Muslim
13. Dr. Salmin Amour - Mjumbe - Muslim
14. Ndugu John Samwel Malecela - Mjumbe
15. Capt. (mst) John Zefania Chiligati - Mjumbe
16. Ndugu Amos Gabriel Makala - Mjumbe
17. Ndugu Bernard Kamilius Membe - Mjumbe
18. Ndugu Kidawa Hamid Saleh - Mjumbe - Muslim
19. Ndugu Samwel John Sitta - Mjumbe
20. Ndugu Pandu Ameir Kificho - Mjumbe - Muslim
21. Ndugu Anna Abdallah - Mjumbe
22. Ndugu Rostum Aziz - Mjumbe - Muslim
23. Dr. Mohamed Gharib Bilal - Mjumbe - Muslim
24. Ndugu Pindi Hazara Chana - Mjumbe
25. Ndugu Andrew Chenge - Mjumbe
26. Dr. Maua Abeid Daftari - Mjumbe - Muslim
27. Ndugu Samia Suluhu Hassan - Mjumbe - Muslim
28. Ndugu Mohamed Seif Khatib - Mjumbe - Muslim
29. Ndugu Haji Omar Kheri - Mjumbe - Muslim
30. Dr. Abdallah Omari Kigoda - Mjumbe - Muslim
31. Ndugu Abdurahman Kinana - Mjumbe - Muslim
32. Ndugu Anne Semamba Makinda - Mjumbe -
33. Ndugu Fatuma Said Ali Mchumo - Mjumbe - Muslim
34. Ndugu Zakia Hamdan Meghji - Mjumbe - Muslim
35. Ndugu Omar Yussuf Mzee - Mjumbe - Muslim
36. Ndugu Emmanuel John Nchimbi - Mjumbe
37. Ndugu Ali Ameir Mohamed - Mjumbe - Muslim
38. Ndugu Yussuf Moh'd Yussuf - Mjumbe - Muslim

Angalau wajumbe 26 na wengine watatu au wanne ambao sina uhakika wa kamati kuu ya ccm ni waislam. Yaani kikao cha juu kabisa cha ccm kinaongoza kwa karibu asilimia 75 na watu wa dini moja?

Huu ni udini na ninawashauri wenzangu wanaccm waliangalie hili kwa umakini mkubwa maana hii sio picha nzuri kwa watanzania wengi ambao sio waislam ambao wanadhani kuwa wana nafasi ya kuwa kwenye kamati kuu ya ccm.

Aibu tupu kwa Kikwete na wana ccm hapa.

 

[Peasant]

Uncle usije kwa majina tofauti!
Maana naona unakoelekea!Kama unafikiri mimi naogopa chochote..UMEKOSEA!
Kuna hoja gani wewe na wapambe wako mmeshawahi shinda dhidi yangu?
IPI? Mkileta personal mi namwaga data tu!

Sorry, you're talking to the wrong person. I don't have time to argue with a psycho! I'm off!

 

[MkamaP]

Na sasa nimeweka tena haya majina na dini zao ili kuweka hii point.

1. Ndugu Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete - Mwenyekiti - Muslim[/U]
2. Ndugu Pius Msekwa - Makamu Mwenyekiti (Bara) -
3. Ndugu Amani Abeid Amani Karume - Makamu Mwenyekiti(Zanzibar) - Muslim[/U]
4. Ndugu Yussuf R. Makamba - Katibu Mkuu - Muslim[/U]
5. Capt. (mst) George Huruma Mkuchika - Naibu Katibu Mkuu (Bara)
6. Ndugu Salehe Ramadhan Ferouz - Naibu Katibu Mkuu (Zanzibar)- Muslim[/U]
7. Dr. Ali Mohamed Shein - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
8. Ndugu Mizengo Kayanza Peter Pinda - Mjumbe
9. Ndugu Shamsi Vuai Nahodha - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
10. Alhaj Ali Hassan Mwinyi - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
11. Ndugu Benjamin William Mkapa - Mjumbe
12. Mzee Rashid Mfaume Kawawa - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
13. Dr. Salmin Amour - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
14. Ndugu John Samwel Malecela - Mjumbe
15. Capt. (mst) John Zefania Chiligati - Mjumbe
16. Ndugu Amos Gabriel Makala - Mjumbe
17. Ndugu Bernard Kamilius Membe - Mjumbe
18. Ndugu Kidawa Hamid Saleh - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
19. Ndugu Samwel John Sitta - Mjumbe
20. Ndugu Pandu Ameir Kificho - Mjumbe - Muslim
21. Ndugu Anna Abdallah - Mjumbe
22. Ndugu Rostum Aziz - Mjumbe - Muslim
23. Dr. Mohamed Gharib Bilal - Mjumbe - Muslim
24. Ndugu Pindi Hazara Chana - Mjumbe
25. Ndugu Andrew Chenge - Mjumbe
26. Dr. Maua Abeid Daftari - Mjumbe - Muslim
27. Ndugu Samia Suluhu Hassan - Mjumbe - Muslim
28. Ndugu Mohamed Seif Khatib - Mjumbe - Muslim
29. Ndugu Haji Omar Kheri - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
30. Dr. Abdallah Omari Kigoda - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
31. Ndugu Abdurahman Kinana - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
32. Ndugu Anne Semamba Makinda - Mjumbe -
33. Ndugu Fatuma Said Ali Mchumo - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
34. Ndugu Zakia Hamdan Meghji - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
35. Ndugu Omar Yussuf Mzee - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
36. Ndugu Emmanuel John Nchimbi - Mjumbe[/U]
37. Ndugu Ali Ameir Mohamed - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]
38. Ndugu Yussuf Moh'd Yussuf - Mjumbe - Muslim[/U]

Ona ulivyombishi yani wewe ndg kwakweli radio inaweza zima
zile SPIN zako na mr MHHH za kuandika mtakacho Angalia hiyo makala

wakurugenzi 8 wa makao makuu 4 ni wachaga SPIN zilikua zanini nilikua nakuvuta vuta ili ujidai umenikamata.

Anajitolea nini kwa kukiingiza chama gharama kubwa harafu anajilipa.
mwenye macho ataona mwenye kusikia atasikia kwanini wamemtimua wangwe.
Pia naomba unieleweshe NEC wanateuliwa au wanachaguliwa?? kweli sijui

Harafu watu wanaanza kuaaminisha kikwazo cha upinzani ni CCM ,Kikwazo cha Upinzani TZ ni viongozi wa upinzani kwani wananufaika mno kwa hali jinsi ilivyo wanataka iwe hivyo kudumisha maslahi yao.

Kama CCM ingekua kikwazo hiyo RUZUKU wangeifanya kiduchu kiduchuuu ili CHADEMA wakose hata hizo ml 66.MWenye macho haabiwi tazama

 

[jmushi1]

Sorry, you're talking to the wrong person. I don't have time to argue with a psycho! I'm off!

Wewe ngoja nikueleze...Mimi situmii jina FEKI HAPA!
Kuna watu wengi tu wananifahamu humu ndani!Na wale wasionifahamu wanakumbuka niliwahi kufungiwa hapa..Na wana jf wakasema mimi siyo psycho!
Wakapiga kelele nifunguliwe!
Sasa ukienda personal...Hata kama una mchango mzuri hapa...Utapoteza Hishma na kusema ukweli wewe ndiyo utabaki kuwa DUNYA!
Unapojiita PEASANT...Ni sawa na MBWA MWITU NDANI YA NGOZI YA KONDOO...KWANI THERE'S NUTTIN ON YOU AS SUCH AS A PEASANT...AT LEAST YOU DONT SOUND LIKE ONE!

 

[Mwafrika]

Na sasa nimeweka tena haya majina na dini zao ili kuweka hii point.

1. Ndugu Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete - Mwenyekiti - Muslim
2. Ndugu Pius Msekwa - Makamu Mwenyekiti (Bara) -
3. Ndugu Amani Abeid Amani Karume - Makamu Mwenyekiti(Zanzibar) - Muslim
4. Ndugu Yussuf R. Makamba - Katibu Mkuu - Muslim
5. Capt. (mst) George Huruma Mkuchika - Naibu Katibu Mkuu (Bara)
6. Ndugu Salehe Ramadhan Ferouz - Naibu Katibu Mkuu (Zanzibar)- Muslim
7. Dr. Ali Mohamed Shein - Mjumbe - Muslim
8. Ndugu Mizengo Kayanza Peter Pinda - Mjumbe
9. Ndugu Shamsi Vuai Nahodha - Mjumbe - Muslim
10. Alhaj Ali Hassan Mwinyi - Mjumbe - Muslim
11. Ndugu Benjamin William Mkapa - Mjumbe
12. Mzee Rashid Mfaume Kawawa - Mjumbe - Muslim
13. Dr. Salmin Amour - Mjumbe - Muslim
14. Ndugu John Samwel Malecela - Mjumbe
15. Capt. (mst) John Zefania Chiligati - Mjumbe
16. Ndugu Amos Gabriel Makala - Mjumbe
17. Ndugu Bernard Kamilius Membe - Mjumbe
18. Ndugu Kidawa Hamid Saleh - Mjumbe - Muslim
19. Ndugu Samwel John Sitta - Mjumbe
20. Ndugu Pandu Ameir Kificho - Mjumbe - Muslim
21. Ndugu Anna Abdallah - Mjumbe
22. Ndugu Rostum Aziz - Mjumbe - Muslim
23. Dr. Mohamed Gharib Bilal - Mjumbe - Muslim
24. Ndugu Pindi Hazara Chana - Mjumbe
25. Ndugu Andrew Chenge - Mjumbe
26. Dr. Maua Abeid Daftari - Mjumbe - Muslim
27. Ndugu Samia Suluhu Hassan - Mjumbe - Muslim
28. Ndugu Mohamed Seif Khatib - Mjumbe - Muslim
29. Ndugu Haji Omar Kheri - Mjumbe - Muslim
30. Dr. Abdallah Omari Kigoda - Mjumbe - Muslim
31. Ndugu Abdurahman Kinana - Mjumbe - Muslim
32. Ndugu Anne Semamba Makinda - Mjumbe -
33. Ndugu Fatuma Said Ali Mchumo - Mjumbe - Muslim
34. Ndugu Zakia Hamdan Meghji - Mjumbe - Muslim
35. Ndugu Omar Yussuf Mzee - Mjumbe - Muslim
36. Ndugu Emmanuel John Nchimbi - Mjumbe
37. Ndugu Ali Ameir Mohamed - Mjumbe - Muslim
38. Ndugu Yussuf Moh'd Yussuf - Mjumbe - Muslim

Angalau wajumbe 26 na wengine watatu au wanne ambao sina uhakika wa kamati kuu ya ccm ni waislam. Yaani kikao cha juu kabisa cha ccm kinaongoza kwa karibu asilimia 75 na watu wa dini moja?

Huu ni udini na ninawashauri wenzangu wanaccm waliangalie hili kwa umakini mkubwa maana hii sio picha nzuri kwa watanzania wengi ambao sio waislam ambao wanadhani kuwa wana nafasi ya kuwa kwenye kamati kuu ya ccm.

Aibu tupu kwa Kikwete na wana ccm hapa.

This is the lowest level a member of this forum can go. How can anybody try to explain this crap? A notion that 30 out of 38 members of the CCM-Central Committee are muslim qualifies the the party to be regarded as a religious party? Does this make one part of this country muslim? Does this make an island of Zanzibar a muslim country?

Why should anybody care if we all were muslims or christians? Why should we care if we all believe in African GODS? Why bother to know who is a christian and who is not? What was our religion, I mean, an african religion before the slave trade and colonization?

What would have happened to our beliefs if Arabs and Europeans never colonized us?

Get over these lines, I mean, lines created by colonial masters, segregating lines of religions, tribes, rivers, mountains, heights, noses, etc. Africans, who bewitched you?
I have always argued here that Africans should get over thisand throughout

 

[jmushi1]

This is the lowest level a member of this forum can go. How can anybody try to explain this crap? A notion that 30 out of 38 members of the CCM-Central Committee are muslim qualifies the the party to be regarded as a religious party? Does this make one part of this country muslim? Does this make an island of Zanzibar a muslim country?

Why should anybody care if we all were muslims or christians? Why should we care if we all believe in African GODS? Why bother to know who is a christian and who is not? What was our religion, I mean, an african religion before the slave trade and colonization?

What would have happened to our beliefs if Arabs and Europeans never colonized us?

Get over these lines, I mean, lines created by colonial masters, segregating lines of religions, tribes, rivers, mountains, heights, noses, etc. Africans, who bewitched you?
I have always argued here that Africans should get over thisand throughout

https://www.jamiiforums.com/member.php?u=620

mwafrika
mwafrika is a dark skinned african
JF Senior Expert Member

https://www.jamiiforums.com/member.php?u=620https://www.jamiiforums.com/member.php?u=620https://www.jamiiforums.com/member.php?u=620


Hey Mwafrika...I agree with you...BUT!The Notion that you are a dark skinned Afrikan doensn't qualify you as the most Afrikan than anybody...!I mean if you trully mean on the highlights!

 

[Mwafrika]

Hey Mwafrika...I agree with you...BUT!The Notion that you are a dark skin Afrikan doensn't qualify you as the most Afrikan than anybody...!I mean if you trully mean on the highlights!

I didnt claim to be better than others, I only proudly described myself as a dark skinned african. Does this makes me better than light skinned Africans? Never.

 

[jmushi1]

On TOP OF THAT...Kuna watu huko ZENJI ni DARK SKINNED KABISA LAKINI MADAI YAO WAO SI WEUSI,SI WAAFRIKA..WAO NI WAARABU,MASULTAN NK!
Niltizama documentary moja na ilinisikitisha sana!Yani kuanzia huo ukanda wa pwani kuelekea hadi Mombasa...Kuna watu ngozi nyeusi tu kama sisi lakini ukiwaita waafrika ni kama tusi licha ya kwamba sisi tuna watreat kama waafrika wenzetu!
Sasa kama unataka tukumbatie UAFRIKA KWANZA..THE VIPI KUHUSU HAO NDUGU ZETU WANAOUKANA HUO UAFRIKA AT THE SAME TIME WANATAKA WARUHUSIWE KUAMUWA MAMBO YA AFRIKA?

 

[jmushi1]

i Didnt Claim To Be Better Than Others, I Only Proudly Described Myself As A Dark Skinned African. Does This Makes Me Better Than Light Skinned Africans? Never.

Proudly Claimning The Tone Of The Color In Which You Are Certainly Proud Of...then You Ought To Make Sure That You Rethink You're Decision Since It Is Part Of Categorizations...AND OR Descriptions!

Now I Hope That No One Else Will Claim That They Are Light Skinned Afrikan...because If They Do...no Wonder Someone Else Will Claim Their Religion,tribe Et Etc...hence The Maniac Cycle...back To The Point!

 

[Mkandara]

Mwanakijiji,
Mkuu imekuwa vipi hadi umenzisha mada kama hii?..Ilikuwa ktk kupima ujinga wa watu au kitu gani haswa?...
Haya nambieni katika hiyo list kuna wanawake wangapi?.. Je, CCM ni chama cha wanaume?

 

[Kubwajinga]

mzee.. nitakuwa mtu wa mwisho kuamini mambo ya udini/ukabila.. I'm making a point here.

Nitakubaliana na wewe kwenye udini kuwa wewe huamini kuwepo, lakini ukabila hapa umetudanganya. Hii thread yenyewe nia yake ni ku-deflate ile ya ukabila ndani ya CHADEMA, but that will never go away untill solved, it is just as simple as that.

 

[Mwafrika]

On TOP OF THAT...Kuna watu huko ZENJI ni DARK SKINNED KABISA LAKINI MADAI YAO WAO SI WEUSI,SI WAAFRIKA..WAO NI WAARABU,MASULTAN NK!
Niltizama documentary moja na ilinisikitisha sana!Yani kuanzia huo ukanda wa pwani kuelekea hadi Mombasa...Kuna watu ngozi nyeusi tu kama sisi lakini ukiwaita waafrika ni kama tusi licha ya kwamba sisi tuna watreat kama waafrika wenzetu!
Sasa kama unataka tukumbatie UAFRIKA KWANZA..THE VIPI KUHUSU HAO NDUGU ZETU WANAOUKANA HUO UAFRIKA AT THE SAME TIME WANATAKA WARUHUSIWE KUAMUWA MAMBO YA AFRIKA?

Usiende kabisa huku kwenye nani amesema nini, madai yao hayaondoi suala la kuachana na hizi dividing lines na kujenga maisha yetu pamoja. Tuachane na huu ukabila na udini na tuishi pamoja kwa amani.

 

[jmushi1]

Usiende kabisa huku kwenye nani amesema nini, madai yao hayaondoi suala la kuachana na hizi dividing lines na kujenga maisha yetu pamoja. Tuachane na huu ukabila na udini na tuishi pamoja kwa amani.

Lakini kwa kuanzia uondoe hiyo Unayoiita description ambayo uko proud nayo!
Hivi unayajuwa matatizo ya DARFUR SUDAN?
Ama hata ya hapo kati ya TUTSI AND HUTUS?
ITS ALL ABOUT DESCRIPTIONS...SASA KWA KUANZIA..ANZA NA MFANO.

 

[Mwafrika]

Nitakubaliana na wewe kwenye udini kuwa wewe huamini kuwepo, lakini ukabila hapa umetudanganya. Hii thread yenyewe nia yake ni ku-deflate ile ya ukabila ndani ya CHADEMA, but that will never go away untill solved, it is just as simple as that.

Kwa nini issue ya udini iende lakini ya ukabila ibaki? Haya mambo ya utengano yataisha lini Afrika? Yaani bila aibu kabisa unasema kuwa hili suala la ukabila litabaki hadi liwe solved. Litakuwa solved vipi?

Yaani kama kuna wakurya 20 wanafaa kuongoza basi wasipewe uongozi eti kwa vile wajaluo watajisikia vibaya? Yaani kwa vile kuna waislam 30 wanafaa kuwa kwenye kamati kuu ya ccm, basi wasipewe kwa vile kunahitajika balance?

Ama kweli kuna kazi kubwa sana kabla ya kufikia maendeleo ya kweli Afrika.

 

[jmushi1]

Hivi MAJANI WA BONGO YULE PRODUCER WA BONGO FLAVA NAYE AJE HAPA ASEME HE'S A PROUD LIGHT SKINNED AFRICAN?

 

[Kuhani]

Mwanakijiji,
Mkuu imekuwa vipi hadi umenzisha mada kama hii?..Ilikuwa ktk kupima ujinga wa watu au kitu gani haswa?...
Haya nambieni katika hiyo list kuna wanawake wangapi?.. Je, CCM ni chama cha wanaume?

Nisaidie kuoanisha mawazo yako hayo hapo juu na haya hapa chini:

... kinachotakiwa ni kuwapa nafasi watu wengine nje ya Wachagga fanyeni hivyo kwani huwezi kunambia kuwa hao walioteuliwa ndio wanafaa peke yao. ...

... Chadema have to do something!..Na siamini kabisa kuwa hakuna watu zaidi ya Wachagga wanaoweza kushika nafasi hizo kwa nini tunajibanza banza ktk vikuta tusitoe majibu yenye kuridhisha!.. Wapo watu wengi sana wanachadema wanaoweza kushika nafasi hizo na wakafanya makubwa zaidi ya nini kung'ang'ania kama hakuna jibu?...

Kuna kitu hii thread itatufundisha kuhusu kukumbuka tulichosema juzi na mwezi jana na mwezi uliopita.

 

[Mwafrika]

Lakini kwa kuanzia uondoe hiyo Unayoiita description ambayo uko proud nayo!
Hivi unayajuwa matatizo ya DARFUR SUDAN?
Ama hata ya hapo kati ya TUTSI AND HUTUS?
ITS ALL ABOUT DESCRIPTIONS...SASA KWA KUANZIA..ANZA NA MFANO.

Ukitaka kuniwekea maneno ambayo sikusema au sijasema bado, unaweza kufanya hivyo. Na ukitaka kuongelea mambo ya Darful Sudan au Tutsi na Hutus unaweza pia kuanzisha mjadala na tukachangia huko.

Kwa sasa kinachoendelea hapa kwenye mjadala huu ni swala la uongozi wa ccm kuwa na waislam 30 kati ya watu 38 na kisha watu kutumia hilo kukiita ccm kuwa ni chama cha kiislam.

Endelea na mjadala unaendelea na tukimaliza hilo tunaweza kuja kwenye mjadala wowote ule unaotaka.

 

[Mwafrika]

Hivi MAJANI WA BONGO YULE PRODUCER WA BONGO FLAVA NAYE AJE HAPA ASEME HE'S A PROUD LIGHT SKINNED AFRICAN?

Akisema hivyo kuna makosa?

Wewe unaonaje?

Mimi binafsi sioni kama kuna makosa akisema hivyo kwa kadri ambavyo hasemi kuwa yeye ni bora kuliko wengine.