Should African Countries Recognize The Libyan Rebels?

Nauliza tu hivi saif islam yupo kweli?

nngu007 said:

Sio wahuni wa Benghazi, acheni kuwa walafi wa pesa za Ghadaffi....

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Aisee hapa ni issue ya kesi iliyopo mahakamani ambapo hela za Libya zinawatoa watu macho, inaonekana wazee wa Pick Up wakiingia wanaweza kuja na principal ya clean slate na kama itakuwa hivyo basi kiwanda cha simenti kwa membe itakuwa basi tena.

South Africa Skips Libyan Conference

By PATRICK MCGROARTY

JOHANNESBURG—South Africa has declined a French invitation to attend Thursday's conference in Paris on Libya's reconstruction, the latest sign of Pretoria's frustration with the international recognition that has been extended to rebels the country didn't support.

Clayson Monyela, a spokesman for the Department of International Affairs and Cooperation, said Wednesday that no South African officials would attend the meeting organized by French President Nicolas Sarkozy. Mr. Monyela declined to explain why, or confirm that the country had been invited.

"South Africa is not attending," he said, in a brief email response to questions about the Paris conference.

Last week, Mr. Sarkozy announced plans for a conference among nations that had supported the rebels in their six-month war against the forces of Col. Moammar Gadhafi. A French government official said Wednesday that delegations from about 60 countries and international institutions were expected to take part, including Russia and China, which didn't participate in the military intervention.

The French president also invited South Africa, a nation that has a temporary seat on the United Nations' Security Council and plays an influential role in the African Union, a pan-continental organization. But while South Africa endorsed the U.N. Security Council resolution backing a no-fly zone over Libya, it has criticized—often bitterly—the intensity of that air campaign led by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Some critics accuse South Africa of sulking.

The government doesn't "want to be associated in any way with what NATO's doing," said Thomas Wheeler, former South African diplomat and research associate at the South African Institute of International Affairs. "They've received so much criticism for the attitude that they've adopted that they're sort of out of line with reality, frankly."

South Africa was largely sidelined in its efforts to end hostilities in Libya. South African President Jacob Zuma twice travelled to Tripoli this year on behalf of the African Union to seek peaceful negotiations between Col. Gadhafi and rebel leaders. Libyan rebels rebuffed those overtures and NATO largely ignored them.

Last Friday, President Zuma was one of only a few heads of state present in the Ethiopian capital of Addis Ababa last week as the African Union's Peace and Security Council decided against recognizing the rebel-backed National Transitional Council. The AU called instead for an "inclusive" transition process that would also include veterans of Col. Gadhafi's regime.

The NATO bombing campaign also has inflamed anti-Western sentiment in the ruling African National Congress, which has benefited in the past from Col. Gadhafi's largesse. After Col. Gadhafi's ouster, South Africa resisted efforts to release frozen Libyan assets to the rebel government.

Mr. Sarkozy has said organizing the distribution of those funds to rebel leaders will be central to discussions in Paris.
—David Gauthier-Villars in Paris contributed to this article.

-The Wall Street Journal

Watakuwa ni biggest looser to hao RSA. Nilidhani kwa uchumi wao wangeweza kuonyesha leadership skill kama wasemaji wa Africa kwenye internation scene lakini wapi. Akili ya mswahili ni bure kabisa. Sasa wakigomea huo mkutano ndio itasaidia nn? Si waende basi wakaonyeshe hizo frustration zao huko? Wanafiki wakubwa wao si ndio walikubaliana na UNSC kupeleka majeshi ya NATO Libya?

Zuma ametambua kwamba alikanyaga matope aliposaini UN Resolution 1970. Sasa anatafuta pa kutokea!

Wameanza kuwauwa Waafrika weusi, kisa ni kwamba weusi wote wapo Libya kwa ajili ya kumsaidia Gaddafi.
Amnesty: Libya's rebels must end abuse of blacks

na wamesema hawataki majeshi ya magharibi nchini kwao.inaonekana wamarekani,uk,italy wamechezea shiling chooni

Kinyungu said:

Watakuwa ni biggest looser to hao RSA. Nilidhani kwa uchumi wao wangeweza kuonyesha leadership skill kama wasemaji wa Africa kwenye internation scene lakini wapi. Akili ya mswahili ni bure kabisa. Sasa wakigomea huo mkutano ndio itasaidia nn? Si waende basi wakaonyeshe hizo frustration zao huko? Wanafiki wakubwa wao si ndio walikubaliana na UNSC kupeleka majeshi ya NATO Libya?

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Umesahau mchango wa Gaddafi kwa SA walipokuwa wanataliwa na Makaburu? Mandela alikwenda kumuona Gaddafi kwa gari. SA walisadiwa sana na Gaddafi ktk Uhuru wao kutoka kwa Makaburu. Wanajaribu kutoa mchango wao kwake Gaddafi.

Umefika wakati kwa wa africa kujua kuwa tunatumiwa. Kwahiyo kwasasa tusonge mbele nchi zote zenye mapenzi mema na africa zikatae wito wowote wa hao jamaa wezi wa rasilimali zetu. Nimeipenda hii ya zuma kwa upande wangu huu ni mwanzo tu na anahaki yakukataa wito baada ya kufumbuka macho sasa niwakati wa kusimama kidete na kuweka sheria kali dhidi ya mafedhuli wa magharibi. Tunaweza tujitahidi ikibidi tujitoeni huko.
Nitarudi badae

Mwanzo mzuri lakini wasiishie hapo ikibidi wamfukuze balozi wa Libiya.

Mr.Right said:

Umesahau mchango wa Gaddafi kwa SA walipokuwa wanataliwa na Makaburu? Mandela alikwenda kumuona Gaddafi kwa gari. SA walisadiwa sana na Gaddafi ktk Uhuru wao kutoka kwa Makaburu. Wanajaribu kutoa mchango wao kwake Gaddafi.

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Nakubaliana na unachosema lakini kwa wao kukataa kwenda haisaidii kitu. Ni bora wangeenda huko wakawambie hao wezi kuwa hawakubaliani na a,b,c,d,....lakini ukikaa Pretoria unalalamika wakati hao wezi wako Paris wanafanya mikakati ya kufyonza mafuta ni ujinga. Mi naona bora wangeenda wakawambie wazi kuwa ufedhuli wanaofanya haukubaliki machoni pa Waafrica.

Mwanzo mzuri lakini wasiishie HAPO ikibidi wamfukuze balozi WA Libiya。

Mjadala wa reconstruction of Libya hauwezi fanywa na wazungu kama walivyoshiriki kumtoa gadaffi.
Mwanzoni mbona hawa ku seek consent ya african states?

Kinyungu said:

Watakuwa ni biggest looser to hao RSA. Nilidhani kwa uchumi wao wangeweza kuonyesha leadership skill kama wasemaji wa Africa kwenye internation scene lakini wapi. Akili ya mswahili ni bure kabisa. Sasa wakigomea huo mkutano ndio itasaidia nn? Si waende basi wakaonyeshe hizo frustration zao huko? Wanafiki wakubwa wao si ndio walikubaliana na UNSC kupeleka majeshi ya NATO Libya?

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Lunyungu ulitaka RSA wafanyeje? Na kuhusu UNSC, makubaliano yao na walichofanya Nato ni mashariki na magharibi.
Mi naona walichofanya ni sawa tu!

[h=2]Libyan NTC and France had secret agreement - media[/h] *The Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC) offered France 35 per cent of its oil sector in exchange for recognition of its authority, France's Libération newspaper reported on Thursday. The source quotes a letter sent by the NTC on April 3rd to Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, the Emir of Qatar, a mediator between Paris and Benghazi in the Libyan conflict. France recognized the NTC on March 10 as sole legitimate representative of the Libyan people. Meanwhile, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe told RTL radio station that he knew nothing about the agreement.

Kinyungu said:

Nakubaliana na unachosema lakini kwa wao kukataa kwenda haisaidii kitu. Ni bora wangeenda huko wakawambie hao wezi kuwa hawakubaliani na a,b,c,d,....lakini ukikaa Pretoria unalalamika wakati hao wezi wako Paris wanafanya mikakati ya kufyonza mafuta ni ujinga. Mi naona bora wangeenda wakawambie wazi kuwa ufedhuli wanaofanya haukubaliki machoni pa Waafrica.

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Hiyo unayosema wewe ni nidhamu ya woga.

Tatizo la kuongozwa na Wabakaji! eti alioga.

Katik hali inayoonyesha bado mugabe anaitajika kwenye bara hili amemwondoa balozi wa libya kwa kupandisha bendera ya waasi
jambo hili limetokea hapa kwetu na bado balozi amekaidi kupandisha bendera ya waasi anaatufundisha nini??

August 30, 2011
AU Rejects Charge of Failing to End Libya Conflict
Peter Clottey

Photo: Reuters
South Africa's President Jacob Zuma (L) talks with Ramtane Lamamra, the African Union (AU) Commissioner for Peace and Security, during an emergency summit of the AU Peace and Security Council in Ethiopia's capital Addis Ababa, August 26, 2011

The African Union (AU) is rejecting criticism that it has failed to help bring an end to Libya's civil war. Critics say behind the alleged failure are divisions among heads of states and their personal relationships with deposed Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi

AU spokesman El-Ghassim Wane said the continental body has been actively involved in finding a solution to the conflict.

Last week, the African Union's Peace and Security Council met to find solutions.

"The key element of the decision that was taken," said Wane, "is to encourage the Libyan stakeholders to establish a broad-based and inclusive government which, once established, will occupy the seat of Libya at the African Union. Our focus is to promote stability [and] democracy, and we look forward to working with all stakeholders to help them achieve their goals."

Failure Charged

Critics say the continental body is sidelined and has remained largely infective in finding solutions to the conflict between Gadhafi loyalists and the rebels.

They contend the AU only called for dialogue at the beginning of the crisis despite the use of violence by Gadhafi loyalists, which critics say undermined the regime's legitimacy.

Critics also said the continental body remained quiet while a UN resolution allowed NATO to use any means necessary to protect civilians, including a no-fly zone against Gadhafi's air force.

Wane rejected the accusations as unfortunate.

"From the onset of the crisis, we condemned the violence directed at the civilian population. We called for respect for human rights and to ensure that the aspirations of the Libyan people for democracy… and human rights are upheld," said Wane. "It was on that basis that the AU established a committee to follow up on the roadmap that was agreed upon."

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-VOA

Waweza sema ukweli iwapo tu unaweza kuusimamia kwa Gharama yeyote hata watu wakajua ukweli baada ya miongo kupita. ukweli ni kuwa si Wananchi wa Libya amabao hawamtaki gadafi bali NATO wanataka mafuta na Walibya walitaka mabadiliko ya mfumo wa utawala wala si kumuondoa Gadafi. Mwisho wa yote watatakiwa kufuata IMF na WB masharti like Paying Taxes, Cost sharing na etc ambavyo hawakuzoea. Hii itatoa mwanya kwa wajanja wachache kumiliki uchumi kutokana na upeo wao juu ya ubepari. Vijana wasahau kujengewa nyumba kukinga msosi mwisho wa mwezi matibabu bure na shule bure. Ni mwendo wa kuchapa kazi si kuwaachia wachina na weusi wa afrika magaharibi wafanaye wao watese tu. Baada ya mwaka watamkumbuka Gadafi kama ilivyo iraq leo. Never ask help from your enemy of your neighbour.