Should African Countries Recognize The Libyan Rebels?

Should African Countries Recognize The Libyan Rebels?

Tanzania has backed the Africa Union (AU) in not recognising the Libya National Transitional Council (NTC) rebels even as they continue to tighten the noose around embattled leader Muammar Gaddafi in his birth town of Sirte.

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The Tanzania stand was announced in Dar es Salaam on Sunday by the minister for Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation, Mr Bernard Membe.

But, Mr Membe said Tanzania would recognise the group if it is takes over the government and establishes all the governing organs which respect the division of power between the Executive, Legislature and the Judiciary.

Apart from that, Mr Membe said, there should be election through which people of Libya would have opportunity of choose the leaders they want.

With that decision, Tanzania becomes among 41 countries in Africa that refused to recognise the Interim Government in Libya.

So far, about 11 African countries have recognised the rebels led NTC in Libya. These include Botswana, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Rwanda, Tunisia, Senegal, Gabon, Burkina Faso, Benin, Kenya and Djibouti.

Over the weekend The Interim Government released names of members of its governing council for the first time and promised to increase its roster rapidly to provide representation to newly liberated parts of the country.



But, Mr Membe said it was not clear whether the rebel group has taken over the country.

"The issue of Libya is like a bunch of spiralling worms in can that you cannot see their heads and tails as well as know their number and size," he said.

He said what Tanzania and African Union (AU) see as important step now was restoration of peace in order to rescue lives of innocent people in the country engulfed in sporadic fighting.

"Our concern is not whether (Muammar) Gaddafi remains in power or not. We are concerned about the future of the country and prosperity of its people," he argued.

Meanwhile, more than 10,000 prisoners have been freed from Muammar Gaddafi's jails since the fall of Tripoli but almost 50,000 others are still missing, the Libyan rebels' military spokesman said on Sunday, adds AFP.

"The number of people arrested over the past months is estimated at between 57,000 and 60,000," Colonel Ahmed Omar Bani told a news conference in the eastern city of Benghazi.

"Between 10,000 and 11,000 prisoners have been freed up until now ... so where are the others?" he asked.

In another development, a top Libyan rebel commander said today insurgent forces were 30 kilometres west of Gaddafi's hometown bastion of Sirte and 100 kilometres away in the east after seizing Bin Jawad.
 
Askari Kanzu said:
Huu ni uongo wa wazi wazi. Kwani ni lazima tudanganyane?
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African Union will not recognise the rebel National Transitional Council (NTC) as Libya's legitimate government, South African President Jacob Zuma has announced.

At the end of the Peace and Security Council summit on Friday in Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa, AU called for an immediate truce between the warring parties adding that Libya should carry out all-inclusive fresh elections to ensure peaceful transition.

The continental bloc also highlighted that individual member states had a sovereign right to choose which party to support since 20 African countries have formally recognised the NTC.


"AU member states have a right to recognise NTC and it’s their sovereign right," Mr Zuma said during the press conference.

Only three of the 15 head of states of countries represented at the council and some ministers attended the closed-door meeting.




The meeting was aimed at coordinating a position on Libya since the besieged northern African country leader Muammar Gaddafi had been instrumental in creating and funding the AU.

Mr Zuma spearheaded the conference due to the absence of Burundi President Pierre Nkurunziza who is currently the chair of the council.

Though some member states were pushing for unconditional recognition to the rebels, majority were in support of Gaddafi.

AU insisted on 'all inclusive' solution which intend to include Gaddafi era politicians on the transition to forge lasting peace in the country.
 
This war has shown how insignificant African ( AU ) opinion counts in world affairs. No body listened to Africans except themselves. Africa still dont have decisions on their own affairs and Westerners have to intefere and issue the rullings. If it is not NATO bombing Libya, then it is French supporting coup in one of African countries or Italian Company dumping toxic or radioactive waste in Somalia or Nigerial !
 
Askari Kanzu said:
Interesting article on AU

African Union rattled by Qaddafi collapse in Libya
August 28, 2011

The toppling of Libyan strongman Moammar Qaddafi by rebels has left the African Union sidelined, its members divided and anger high at a Western-led bombing campaign, analysts say.

The AU stands in a contradictory position: several African states have individually acknowledged the rebel National Transitional Council (NTC), but the pan-African bloc has shirked from recognition itself.

Misguided efforts for talks between the rebels and Qaddafi -- plans rejected by rebels and ignored by the West -- damaged the bloc's credibility, said Aloys Habimana, of Human Rights Watch.

"Failing to realize that Qaddafi's killings undermined his legitimacy and made him better suited for an international tribunal than for a negotiating table was a terrible mistake," Habimana said.

"The AU leadership was torn between the option of doing the right thing, and that of standing in solidarity with a prominent peer whose acts clearly stood in stark contrast to the AU's own principles and values," Habimana added.

Several African leaders may have been keenly aware of their own internal domestic divisions, avoiding discussion on revolution when they themselves are often decades-long serving presidents elected on shaky grounds.

"The AU reacted quite slowly to the crisis for many reasons," said Paul-Simon Handy, from South Africa's Institute for Security Studies, noting Qaddafi had regularly contributed substantial funds to the AU.

"Not least was because some heads of state were embarrassed by their close personal relationship with Qaddafi," Handy added.

But it was Western air raids that infuriated many on the continent, who felt NATO attacks had gone "far beyond the spirit, if not the letter, of the UN Security Council resolution," said Tom Cargill, of Britain's Chatham House.

"African leaders were infuriated by NATO's snub," Handy added. "They felt their advice and role had been entirely ignored."

"So often they have been pressured by the international community to find African solutions to African problems," added Cargill, "Yet when such a problem arises, the Western nations came in and sidelined them."

Instead of protecting civilians, the NATO raids are seen by many as effective regime change, "Perceived as Western military intervention of neo-colonialist powers," Cargill added.

It raised anger even in governments whose roots lie in revolutionary change, who might otherwise be expected to welcome a popular rebellion by the Libyan people.

"External observers might find it nonsensical, but there was a real feeling of the need to stand up for African solidarity," said Cargill, noting the intense anger from South African leaders, who overthrew apartheid rule.

"Institutions like the AU should exist to safeguard peoples' aspirations, rather than serving to protect tyrants rightly challenged by citizens in search of freedom and the rule of law," he said.

"With Qaddafi's fall, Libyans have a unique opportunity to build a better country based on human rights and the rule of law -- the AU's role in assisting the Libyans to tap that opportunity will be critical," Habimana added.

Relations ahead between the NTC and the AU will be tricky, but both sides will have to work with each other, added Handy.

-AFP/NOW Lebanon
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.... hatufanyi ligi, tunafahamishana, nime over look, mkuu kumbe zimebaki 11, sio 7 nashukuru kwa masahihisho
 
Entebbe




President Museveni has reiterated his criticism of the West and attacked Nato for disorganising a friend, whose 42-year rule faces a humbling end.

Speaking at the annual Muslims Iftar dinner at State House, Entebbe on Saturday, Mr Museveni addressed himself on two fundamental issues: The economic crisis at home and the battle for Libya. He accused the West of greed and defended Col. Gaddafi’s mistakes even though, he said, the Libyan leader attempted to go behind his back to hijack his chiefs in Kampala.

“Gaddafi had his own mistakes, he came here and organised my chiefs without telling me. We cancelled that meeting and I warned chiefs because it was wrong,” Mr Museveni said. “But Gaddafi built a mosque for us and as a leader, he had his mistakes, but those Europeans have more mistakes and problems. They think the rest of us are fools except themselves. When there are riots in Africa, they call them pro-democracy and in London, they call them, criminals.”

Source: Monitor
 
Mwita25 said:
Yaani kwasababu Kenya wametoa tamko na sisi tukurukupuke tu. Serikali ya JK ni mahiri, tulivu na inaona mbali. Hatuishi kwa kuigaiga.
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usidanganye weye! Tanzania hatuna serikali hapa. Hebu niambie hiyo serikali ipo wapi na inafanya nini?
 
Utawala ule umedumu mda mrefu na tatizo kubwa lilomuondoa Gaddafi ni kujiamini kuwa naweza kufikiri kwa niaba ya watu wake,
 
AU ni useless na hawana faida yeyote kwa mwafrica,TZ bora to recognize hao NTC maana kuendelea kumtambua Gaddafi ni kuendeleza vita isiyo na mpango,Gaddafi kishachapwa na theres no chance in hell atarudi in power maana hana ujanja huo na hawezi,sana sana atatumia billions zake alizoiba to sabotage libyans by suicide bombing or terror,sikupenda alivyoondolewa lakini vile vile sioni justification ya mtu mmoja kuwa raisi for 42 yrs,mnaosema rebels wametumiwa na wazungu nafikiri mmesahau walianza kupigana na kufa kabla ya hata NATO kuanza kuwasaidia,NATO waliamua kuingia baada ya uprising ya Benghazi kuelekea kushindwa na Gaddaffi kuandaa jeshi lake kwenda kufanya massacre benghazi,wanaume wametembea kwa miguu zaidi ya mile 1000 na wengi sana wamekufa njiani kuelekea Tripoli leo mnawaita vibaraka wa NATO...hawa ndio wanaume wa shoka jinsi walivyofanya revolution yao na huwezi hata fananisha na Egypt or Tunisia ambako huko jeshi lilikaa pembeni,kumwondoa Gadaffi ilikuwa unapigana na jeshi la nchi nzima sio maandamano tuu na nyimbo kama Cairo square na msijidanganye NATO na ndege zao wangeweza kumwondoa Gaddaffi bila rebels,NATO hawakupoteza hata askari mmoja ila rebels wamekufa maelfu kwa ajiri walichoka kunyanyaswa...kila la kheri libyans rebels hope watakuwa na wisdom ya kutofuata siasa za kisasi na kujenga nchi yao and fair to all libyans,na hawana haja ya kujiunga na useless AU haitawasaidia chochote.
 
MkamaP said:
Tanzania has backed the Africa Union (AU) in not recognising the Libya National Transitional Council (NTC) rebels even as they continue to tighten the noose around embattled leader Muammar Gaddafi in his birth town of Sirte.<br />
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The Tanzania stand was announced in Dar es Salaam on Sunday by the minister for Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation, Mr Bernard Membe.<br />
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But, Mr Membe said Tanzania would recognise the group if it is takes over the government and establishes all the governing organs which respect the division of power between the Executive, Legislature and the Judiciary.<br />
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Apart from that, Mr Membe said, there should be election through which people of Libya would have opportunity of choose the leaders they want.<br />
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With that decision, Tanzania becomes among 41 countries in Africa that refused to recognise the Interim Government in Libya.<br />
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So far, about 11 African countries have recognised the rebels led NTC in Libya. These include Botswana, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Rwanda, Tunisia, Senegal, Gabon, Burkina Faso, Benin, Kenya and Djibouti.<br />
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Over the weekend The Interim Government released names of members of its governing council for the first time and promised to increase its roster rapidly to provide representation to newly liberated parts of the country.<br />
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But, Mr Membe said it was not clear whether the rebel group has taken over the country.<br />
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"The issue of Libya is like a bunch of spiralling worms in can that you cannot see their heads and tails as well as know their number and size," he said.<br />
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He said what Tanzania and African Union (AU) see as important step now was restoration of peace in order to rescue lives of innocent people in the country engulfed in sporadic fighting.<br />
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"Our concern is not whether (Muammar) Gaddafi remains in power or not. We are concerned about the future of the country and prosperity of its people," he argued.<br />
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Meanwhile, more than 10,000 prisoners have been freed from Muammar Gaddafi's jails since the fall of Tripoli but almost 50,000 others are still missing, the Libyan rebels' military spokesman said on Sunday, adds AFP. <br />
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"The number of people arrested over the past months is estimated at between 57,000 and 60,000," Colonel Ahmed Omar Bani told a news conference in the eastern city of Benghazi.<br />
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"Between 10,000 and 11,000 prisoners have been freed up until now ... so where are the others?" he asked.<br />
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In another development, a top Libyan rebel commander said today insurgent forces were 30 kilometres west of Gaddafi's hometown bastion of Sirte and 100 kilometres away in the east after seizing Bin Jawad.
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Suala la Libya limeonyesha kambi ya viongozi wanaoamini katika ukweli na wale wanaoamini katika majungu na maslahi binfsi. Angalia kundi la Ethiopia, Nigeria, Botswana, Rwanda, kenya hawa na wengine wachache wametambua NTC maana wameona ni ujinga kuukataa ukweli. Lakini angalia club ya walioingia madarakani kwa majungu wakiongozwa na Jacob Zuma na Jakaya Kikwete wanajikanyaga tu maana hawana uhakika na maisha. Wao hawaitambui NTC lkn pia hawasemi waziwazi kuwa wanamtambua Gaddafi. wanasema kuwa ili waitambue NTC mpaka kuwe na uchaguzi lakini hawasemi kwanini walimtambua Gadafi wakati hakuwahi kufanya uchaguzi.
 
TANZANIA on Sunday reiterated its call for ceasefire in Libya and immediate formation of "an inclusive transitional government" that comprises all stakeholders in the war-torn north African nation.

The Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation, Mr Bernard Membe, told a news conference in Dar es Salaam on Sunday that Muammar Gaddafi's regime in Libya has now reached its end.

"We are concerned with the ongoing bloodbath in Libya. Our concern is not whether Gaddafi is there or not. We want ceasefire and peace in Libya," he said.

Briefing journalists on the outcome of the just-ended emergency African Union Peace and Security Council (PSC) meeting in Addis Ababa, the minister also said that Tanzania does not recognise the legitimacy of rebel leadership in Libya under Transition National Council (TNC).

"We want to see a serious Libyan government which abides by principles of human rights, good governance, democracy and which can bring about development to its people," Mr Membe said.

He said Tanzania strongly backed the AU's position that has directed Gaddafi's loyalists, NATO and rebels to stop fighting to end misery and suffering in Libya.

He said 40 AU members including Tanzania had decided not to recognize the TNC although other African countries including Botswana, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Egypt, Djibouti, Rwanda, Tunisia, Gabon, Gambia, Burkina Faso Benin and Kenya have individually recognised TNC.

"Tanzania will not recognize TNC because it is yet to form a legitimate government. Our major interest is to monitor the unfolding situation in Libya, rather than rushing in and give our blessings to TNC," he explained.

He urged all stakeholders in Libya to sit on a roundtable discussion and form an "inclusive transitional government" to lead the country towards a properly elected government in accordance with the AU plans.


Meanwhile, Gaddafi is ready to discuss a transition of power to be negotiated by his son, al-Saadi, sources have told Al Jazeera as rebels continued to push towards the toppled Libyan leader's hometown of Sirte.

Moussa Ibrahim, Gaddafi's spokesman, earlier told the Associated Press (AP) that Gaddafi was still in [TABLE="width: 100%, align: center"]
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The Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation, Mr Bernard Membe, told a news conference in Dar es Salaam on Sunday that Muammar Gaddafi's regime in Libya has now reached its end.

"We are concerned with the ongoing bloodbath in Libya. Our concern is not whether Gaddafi is there or not. We want ceasefire and peace in Libya," he said.

Briefing journalists on the outcome of the just-ended emergency African Union Peace and Security Council (PSC) meeting in Addis Ababa, the minister also said that Tanzania does not recognise the legitimacy of rebel leadership in Libya under Transition National Council (TNC).

"We want to see a serious Libyan government which abides by principles of human rights, good governance, democracy and which can bring about development to its people," Mr Membe said.

He said Tanzania strongly backed the AU's position that has directed Gaddafi's loyalists, NATO and rebels to stop fighting to end misery and suffering in Libya.

He said 40 AU members including Tanzania had decided not to recognize the TNC although other African countries including Botswana, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Egypt, Djibouti, Rwanda, Tunisia, Gabon, Gambia, Burkina Faso Benin and Kenya have individually recognised TNC.

"Tanzania will not recognize TNC because it is yet to form a legitimate government. Our major interest is to monitor the unfolding situation in Libya, rather than rushing in and give our blessings to TNC," he explained.

He urged all stakeholders in Libya to sit on a roundtable discussion and form an "inclusive transitional government" to lead the country towards a properly elected government in accordance with the AU plans.

Meanwhile, Tanzania has offered 200,000 US dollars (about 320m/-) to support hunger-striken countries in the Horn of Africa. At least 12 million people in the region are in need of support, 3.7 million are in Somalia.

Current statistics show that out of every 10 people, six are dying of hunger in the region, where four of them are children.

Mr Membe said that the government responded on the emergency relief operation which was reached by the AU meeting to deliberate on measures to curb the problem.

"Our country promised to offer 300 tonnes of relief food which will be transported by the South Africa military jet this week to Mogadishu," Mr Membe said.

The Minister said that Tanzania has so far allocated 11,000 tonnes of relief food that will be sold to World Food Programme (WFP) ready to be transported to Somalia.

Meanwhile, Gaddafi is ready to discuss a transition of power to be negotiated by his son, al-Saadi, sources have told Al Jazeera as rebels continued to push towards the toppled Libyan leader's hometown of Sirte.

Moussa Ibrahim, Gaddafi's spokesman, earlier told the Associated Press (AP) that Gaddafi was still in Libya and prepared to discuss formation of a transitional government.

Ibrahim has been the most public figure in Gaddafi's government in recent weeks, regularly addressing television cameras and journalists in Tripoli.

The report appears to represent a change of policy by Gaddafi who last week referred to the rebels as "thugs" and "rats" and urged loyalists to continue fighting even as his opponents seized control of Tripoli.

But a top official in TNC told Reuters that Libya's rebel government would not negotiate with Gaddafi unless he surrendered.

"No negotiation is taking place with Gaddafi," Ali Tarhouni, the TNC official in charge of oil and financial matters said.

Gaddafi's whereabouts remains unknown and rebels have offered a US$1.7 million bounty for his capture dead or alive. Libya and prepared to discuss formation of a transitional government.

Ibrahim has been the most public figure in Gaddafi's government in recent weeks, regularly addressing television cameras and journalists in Tripoli.

The report appears to represent a change of policy by Gaddafi who last week referred to the rebels as "thugs" and "rats" and urged loyalists to continue fighting even as his opponents seized control of Tripoli.

But a top official in TNC told Reuters that Libya's rebel government would not negotiate with Gaddafi unless he surrendered.

"No negotiation is taking place with Gaddafi," Ali Tarhouni, the TNC official in charge of oil and financial matters said.

Gaddafi's whereabouts remains unknown and rebels have offered a US$1.7 million bounty for his capture dead or alive.
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Nafikiri Tanzania imechukua msimamo mzuri. Kuwatambua hao jamaa kama ni viongozi halali wa Libya ni kukubaliana na approach ya upokaji madaraka ambayo waasi wameitumia. Naunga mkono hoja.
 
ktk kundi la pili nimemshangaa Jacob Zuma,hii issue itamletea matatizo makubwa kisiasa huko mbeleni.
 
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nngu007 said:
Hatuwezi kutoa taarifa yoyote; Huu sio wakati wa Utawala wa JK Nyerere always support the oppressed; this leadership hawaoni ubaya wa Gadaffi

Wanampenda wametupa pesa, we embrace now Dictators and wananchi wetu wengi wanampenda Gadaffi sasa wamesahaud Damu ya wananchi

Wetu waliouwaka Kagera... Money is EVIL.
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Tusiwe short sighted . Hivi unadhani matatizo ya waafrika wazungu yawahusu. Gadafi ni baba mbaya lakini alilinda familia yake ya Afrika. Sasa tutapata mtu wa watu atakayeacha rasilimali zenu ziporwe kirahisi na western. No way afrika inapigwa si Gadafi pekee its shame fighting with single person. I bet to remain in my stand to the end and one day the truth will be revealed and you will not appear in this JF with same notion. Mzee vita ni vita vikiisha mnakuwa watani tu.
 
Mkuu Kidzunde kuna matatizo yaliyopo Afrika yanawahusu pia wazungu. Nimeisha toa mchango wangu humu,nikasema nchi za Moroco,Algeria,Libya,Tunisia na Misri ni majirani wa Ulaya. Vurugu ama ukosefu wa amani,wengi wa wananchi wa nchi hizi watakimbilia ulaya. Ulaya haitaki wakimbizi kama hata sisi hapa hatutaki wakimbizi! Kumekua na tatizo sugu la wakimbizi toka kusini mwa jangwa la Sahara kuingia Ulaya kupitia Libya. Nchi kama Italia lazima iangalie kwa makini na kuchukua hatua. Wao siyo kama sisi,mfano mzuri tumeshindwa isaidia Somalia,sasa hivi kila siku tunakamata vijana wa Kisomali wakikimbilia Afrika kusini.
 
Serikali ya jamhuri ya Muungano imeijia juu ubalozi wa Libya nchini kufuatia kitendo chake cha kushusha bendera iliyokuwa ikitambulika awali(ya Gadaffi) na kupandisha ya 'wahuni' wa Benghazi ikionekana ni kufata upepo baada ya utawala wa Gadaffi kung'oka madarakani bila ya taarifa.

mjini tripoli wameendelea na uhuni wao kwa kuwarusha kichura wafuasi wa Gadaffi na pia wameiba vidonge vya kansa alivyokuwa akitumia El Meghrabi ili kumwongezea uhai
 
Sio wahuni wa Benghazi, acheni kuwa walafi wa pesa za Ghadaffi...

Nchi zote zenye Ubalozi wa Libya wafanyakazi wa Ubalozi huo wakiukubali utawala wa sasa wa Wapinzani, wanabadilisha Bendera

Hii ni bendera halali ya nchi ya Libya baada ya Uhuru; Ilibadilishwa kuwa kijani baada ya Gadaffi Green Revolution.

Watanzania hatujui Uzalendo wa watu tena? it was People's Power Revolution.
 
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