Is God fair ?

[a4afrika]

Tatizo hata hilo huna hakika nalo.

Kataa jibu kwa kuonesha mapungufu ya jibu hilo.
Hakuna swali ambalo sijalijibu, kama lipo sema na uoneshe mapungufu ya jibu langu.
Anaita sasa!

 

[Kiranga]

Kataa jibu kwa kuonesha mapungufu ya jibu hilo.
Hakuna swali ambalo sijalijibu, kama lipo sema na uoneshe mapungufu ya jibu langu.
Anaita sasa!

Mapungufu ushayaonyesha wewe mwenyewe kwa kuelezea shaka yako.

Asili imetokea wapi? Imetokeaje?

 

[mjasiria]

Mshirikishe Mungu kabla ya kufanya maamuzi na usimshirikishe Mugu katika kujutia maamuzi uliyoyafanya mwenyewe

sredi klozd.

 

[mjasiria]

Can you articulate that in your own words or is this another one of your copy paste that you can't even understand yourself?

The very first argument has been debunked here several times.

If complexity must have a creagor, then the creator must be more complex and must need a creatir, ad infinitum, ad absurdia.

Thisbis actually an argument against the existence of your god.

For it stipulates that he also must have a creator.

Sasa hapa umevunja nini??!!! So are you saying the creation is so simple that it could show up on its own or is it so complex that if it was created then the creator needs to be created which wouldn't happen because the creator of creator also would need a creator?? What is your point?

 

[Kiranga]

Sasa hapa umevunja nini??!!! So are you saying the creation is so simple that it could show up on its own or is it so complex that if it was created then the creator needs to be created which wouldn't happen because the creator of creator also would need a creator?? What is your point?

My point is, either way, god is invalidated.

If complexity/creation is so simple that it could show up on its own, then we do not need god to explain creation. Because creation can arise without god.

If, on the other hand, complexity/ creation requires a creator, then that creator would be more complex and require a creator, ad infinitum, ad absurdum. God will need a god to create him and that creator would need a god to create him, to infinity.

Such a god would not be a god at all, but just a small cog in an infinite machine.

So either way, god is illogical.

 

[mjasiria]

My point is, either way, god is invalidated.

If creation is so simple that it could show up on its own, then we do not need god to explain creation. Because creation can arise without god.

So is it simple or not? Do you think this creation could show up on its own? And if so can you explain how it did? Can you even explain your existence?

If, on the bother hand, complexity/ creation requires a creator, then that creator would be more complex and require a creator, ad infinitum, ad absurdum. God will need a god to create him and that creator would need a god to create him, to infinity.

That would depend on what/who you define as God. If you define God as a physical existence that is affected by cause-effect relationship as the rest of the universe then you will have that problem. But did you stop and think for a second that, God the creator is not the same as his creation, that his nature is different from the nature of his creation (That is if we do agree that the creation does indeed require a creator). Otherwise like you said if God needs a creator who would need another creator to infinity then creation didn't happen which means we are not here!!! Do you think we are not here Kiranga??

Such a god would not be a god at all, but just a small cog in an onfinite machine.

So either way, god is illogical.

Well on the contrary taking God/Creator out of the equation is highly illogical. Many have tried but even Darwin the father of evolution could not account for the origin of life with all his explanation about adaptation and survival of the fittest. As much as a lot of great minds despised religions they for the most part have not been able to explain the existence of universe without God and most if not all agree there must a God the only question is who is he?

 

[Kiranga]

So is it simple or not? Do you think this creation could show up on its own? And if so can you explain how it did? Can you even explain your existence?

That would depend on what/who you define as God. If you define God as a physical existence that is affected by cause-effect relationship as the rest of the universe then you will have that problem. But did you stop and think for a second that, God the creator is not the same as his creation, that his nature is different from the nature of his creation (That is if we do agree that the creation does indeed require a creator). Otherwise like you said if God needs a creator who would need another creator to infinity then creation didn't happen which means we are not here!!! Do you think we are not here Kiranga??


Well on the contrary taking God/Creator out of the equation is highly illogical. Many have tried but even Darwin the father of evolution could not account for origin of existence. As much as a lot of great minds despised religions they for most part have not been able to explain the existence of universe without God and most if not all agree there must a God the only question is who is he?

Which godhead are you talking about?

What you wrote is highly axiomatic, which means it is innately unverifiable.

 

[mjasiria]

Which godhead are you talking about?

I am not talking about godhead, I thought we were talking about God!

What you wrote is highly axiomatic, which means it is innately unverifiable.

Axiomatic just because you say so?! And even though it was axiomatic as you put it what makes you think it is not verifiable? If you use logic and reasoning you will understand that it is actually verifiable.

By the way what verification do you have for your claims?

 

[Kiranga]

I am not talking about godhead, I thought we were talking about God!


Axiomatic just because you say so?! And even though it was axiomatic as you put it what makes you think it is not verifiable? If you use logic and reasoning you will understand that it is actually verifiable.

By the way what verification do you have for your claims?

Can you verify beyond doubt that there is a god the creator who is different from his creation?

 

[mjasiria]

Can you verify beyond doubt that there is a god the creator who is different from his creation?

Umesoma hii aya hapa chini kwenye post #206

That would depend on what/who you define as God. If you define God as a physical existence that is affected by cause-effect relationship as the rest of the universe then you will have that problem. But did you stop and think for a second that, God the creator is not the same as his creation, that his nature is different from the nature of his creation (That is if we do agree that the creation does indeed require a creator). Otherwise like you said if God needs a creator who would need another creator to infinity then creation didn't happen which means we are not here!!! Do you think we are not here Kiranga??

Hebu jibu basi hilo swali nililokuuliza. Tatizo wewe kwa kuwa umeshaamua kufikiri unavyofikiri hutaki hata kutafakari kitu tofauti unachoambiwa. Narudia "Are we not here Kiranga?" if we are here how did we get here?

 

[Kiranga]

Umesoma hii aya hapa chini kwenye post #206


Hebu jibu basi hilo swali nililokuuliza. Tatizo wewe kwa kuwa umeshaamua kufikiri unavyofikiri hutaki hata kutafakari kitu tofauti unachoambiwa. Narudia "Are we not here Kiranga?" if we are here how did we get here?

Nimekupa nafasi unieleze mungu wako ni mungu yupi, umejigongagonga, hujajibu swali.

Sasa unanilaumu kwa kutojibu swali la mungu tunayemuongelea yukoje.

I grant you that god may not necessarily be physical.

Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that god exists and that god is not a fignent of your imagination?

 

[mjasiria]

Nimekupa nafasi unieleze mungubwako no minhu yupi, umejigongagonga, hujajibu swali.

Sasa unanilaumu kwa kutojibu swali la mungu tunayemuongelea yukoje.

I grant you that god may not necessarily be physical.

Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that god exists and that god is not a fignent of your imagination?

Sasa mbona unakuwa mbishi. Jibu maswali hayo taratibu utaelewa au unadhani kuna njia moja ya kumuelimisha mtu? Angalia sana kuchamba kwingi......utamalizia mwenyewe.

Kujibu maswali hutaki umekalia ubishi tu. Jibu hayo maswali yangu twende taratibu.

 

[Kiranga]

Sasa mbona unakuwa mbishi. Jibu maswali hayo taratibu utaelewa au unadhani kuna njia moja ya kumuelimisha mtu? Angalia sana kuchamba kwingi......utamalizia mwenyewe.

Kujibu maswali hutaki umekalia ubishi tu. Jibu hayo maswali yangu twende taratibu.

Maswali gani ambayo sijayajibu?

Au naandika katika lugha ambayo huifahamu?

Kuhusu are we here or not, nishajibu hili mara mia, that does not automatically link to a god.

You need to show the link.

Why are we here because of a god and not anything else?

If you can't show the link, and conclude as if there is a link, that in logic is an error called a "non sequitur".

Soma hapa.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

You are concluding that, because we are here, god must exist. Before showing that we cannot exist by any other way apart from being created by god.

Unachosema hapa ni kwamba, unaweza kufika Moshi kwa kutumia ungo. Uko Moshi, therefore umetumia ungo kufika Moshi.

Hujaprove kwamba ungo upo. Hujaprove kwamba ungo unaweza kukufikisha Moshi. Hujaprove kwamba huwezi kufika Moshi kwa njia nyingine yoyote isipokuwa ungo.

Unarukia tu ungo upo kwa sababu wewe upo Moshi.

 

[Nonda]

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? 21:30

Link Surat Al-'Anbya' - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????


He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned. 21: 23

Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned. 21:35

Say, "I only warn you by revelation." But the deaf do not hear the call when they are warned. 21:45

 

[Kiranga]

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? 21:30

Link Surat Al-'Anbya' - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????


He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned. 21: 23

Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned. 21:35

Say, "I only warn you by revelation." But the deaf do not hear the call when they are warned. 21:45

Hujajibu swali langu.

Quran inasema, kumjua mungu na njia zake hupatikana kwa rwhema za mungu tu.

Na mungu huwajaza kutoamini wengine makusudi.

Na mungu akikujaza kutoamini, hata ufanye nini huwezi kumjua.

Kisha hawa hawa watu ambao mungu kawajaza kutoamini, mungu huyu huyu atawahukumu kwa kutomwamini soju ya kiama.

Huyu mungu anayewajaza viumbe wake dhaifu kutoamini, halafu akawahukumu motoni siku ya kiama, ni mungu wa hakibkweli huyu?

Huyu mungu ana akili?

Yupo kweli au ni hadithi za ujinga tu?

 

[Nonda]

Hujajibu swali langu.

Quran inasema, kumjua mungu na njia zake hupatikana kwa rwhema za mungu tu.

Na mungu huwajaza kutoamini wengine makusudi.

Na mungu akikujaza kutoamini, hata ufanye nini huwezi kumjua.

Kisha hawa hawa watu ambao mungu kawajaza kutoamini, mungu huyu huyu atawahukumu kwa kutomwamini soju ya kiama.

Huyu mungu anayewajaza viumbe wake dhaifu kutoamini, halafu akawahukumu motoni siku ya kiama, ni mungu wa hakibkweli huyu?

Huyu mungu ana akili?

Yupo kweli au ni hadithi za ujinga tu?

Kiranga

Una akili?

Kama unazo ,thibitisha kama unazo.

 

[Kiranga]

Kiranga

Una akili?

Kama unazo ,thibitisha kama unazo.

Hata kama sina akili.

Hilo halithibitishi kwamba mungu yupo.

 

[Nonda]

Hujajibu swali langu.

Quran inasema, kumjua mungu na njia zake hupatikana kwa rwhema za mungu tu.

Na mungu huwajaza kutoamini wengine makusudi.

Na mungu akikujaza kutoamini, hata ufanye nini huwezi kumjua.

Kisha hawa hawa watu ambao mungu kawajaza kutoamini, mungu huyu huyu atawahukumu kwa kutomwamini soju ya kiama.

Huyu mungu anayewajaza viumbe wake dhaifu kutoamini, halafu akawahukumu motoni siku ya kiama, ni mungu wa hakibkweli huyu?

Huyu mungu ana akili?

Yupo kweli au ni hadithi za ujinga tu?

Haya ya Qurani kusema umeyapata wapi?

Umesoma Quran wewe (Ilmu-madrasa)?

Je unaposoma unaelewa "context" ya unayoyasoma?

 

[Baba Wille]

We ndo nyau kweli, kwani unayempa huo moyo na kitumbua ni God? Walaumu hao hao unaowapenda wakati hawakupendi, na unawapa uroda bila kupima na mbaya pekupeku..

 

[Nonda]

Which godhead are you talking about?

What you wrote is highly axiomatic, which means it is innately unverifiable.

Utatu umekuathiri vibaya sana, Kiranga.