Image of virgin Mary grows on tree

[Ngekewa]

KIRANGA alisema hajui alikotoka. Yani amejikuta yupo tu hahah.

Basi asiwe mbishi anapoelekezwa kwao, wako waliomzidi wenye kumfahamu kuliko anavyojifahamu yeye.

 

[dotnet]

dotnet, vipi yakhe unanivamia tu, nilifikiri tuko upande mmoja au Kiranga kakuvuruga?
Huyo saizi yangu na unamuona anaanza kunikimbia.

Hahahah hawezi kunivuruga yule

 

[Kiranga]

​Ameweka utaratibu ambao hauna mbadala katika kuja kwako duniani, kuja kwako duniani hakutofautiani na binaadamu mwengine yeyote isipokuwa mara moja tu toka kuumbwa dunia.

Unawezaje kusema "Ameweka utaratibu......" kabla hata hujaweza kuthibitisha kwamba yupo?

 

[Kiranga]

Basi asiwe mbishi anapoelekezwa kwao, wako waliomzidi wenye kumfahamu kuliko anavyojifahamu yeye.

Naweza kuwa sijui square root ya mbili ni nini, lakini hilo halina maana kwamba ukiniambia ni nane nikubali tu.

For starters hata kama sijui square root ya mbili ni nini, najua kwamba square root ya mbili ni ndogo kuliko mbili.

Jaribu tena.

 

[Kiranga]

The concept that makes Mary (formerly Virgin Mary) a mother of God needs great minds of believers to understand. For a stupid thinker, it means Jesus never existed until when Mary gave birth to HIM. Very wrong. Jesus existed before any creature. Before anything. It's correct to call Mary a mother of God because Jesus came to earth through her womb.

It is anathema to mention "great minds" and "believers" in the same sentence within the quoted context.

 

[Kiranga]

So you do read the bible? What are you looking for in the book composed of knowledge about what you do not believe in? Is not a character of someone stupid?

Are you not guilty of pretending?

One could not criticise the bible squarely without reading it , could one?

 

[Kiranga]

What about the United States or the UAE? Are they poor? Do they believe God exists? Not poor and the believe. So being poor has ni connection with believing in God.

First of all, most of these people who profess to believe in god do not really believe in god. They are either lazy or stupid. God is really unbelievable. Because he is self contradicting. Even if one wanted to really believe in him, and I am mostly writing about the Abrahamic god, one couldn't.

Take Christianity for example, and its bible. The new testament proclaims the message of love and forgiveness, while the old testament uphold exacting revenge thinly disguised as justice. When Jesus was cornered to declare his position on whether he came to dismantle the overly legal old testament, he contradicted his actions (working on the Sabbath) by saying that he came to complete the law, not dismantle it. Talking about talking in circles.

So the question of which takes priority in Christianity, redemption or the exacting of revenge, is left hanging.

To make matters worse, there is a line in the bible that says all scripture is inspired by god and good for use. So what happens when there is an obvious clash? If you really want to do what god wants, how do you go about that?

Does it concern you if Saudi Women are not allowed to drive? Is that your business in the first place?

Why should it not concern me? Are they not human? Moreover, you disputed the juxtaposition of religion and primitivism. Whether it concerns me or not is immaterial, the question of primitivism lingers.

You are just losing direction and of all the people in here you seem to be the only satanic messenger trying to convince people the stupidity that occupies a larger part of your brain.

Look at your thought pattern. I equated religiosity with primitivism and you ask me why should the plight of Saudi women concern me. Who is losing diretion here? Is not caring for other human beings the teachings of your religion? Is that direction to you? Who is really losing direction here?

You are making me the godless who is caring about the plight of Saudi women look more compassionate than you the supposedly godly person who do not care about the plight of Saudi women.

The whole exchange begs the question, does morality need religiosity?

You wouldn't expect me to know about Europe? Is this not proving how stupid you are, expecting and concluding of someone you never met?

Your primitive and medieval thinking exposes that of you. In this age of information and the global village you are questioning me why do I care about the plight of Saudi women, how do you know that I don't have a Saudi fiancee?

With a mind like that, why should I expect you to be knowledgeable about anything?

No matter how low religious those countries you know they may be, the bottom line is that they believe GOD exists and this is the discussion here.

Everybody can believe anything they want to. You can believe god exist, and he is your grandfather sitting in your ancestral village.

That doesn't make him god.

You totally missed the boat. The discussion here is not whether people believe in the existence of god or not. It is whethere god actually exists or not.

You even know they believe and still wasting time and trying to confuse people here? You have been lost because you don't know where you came from and for that matter there's no way you could know where you are going.

The question is not whether they believe or not. Believing is their human rights backed by international charters including The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

So their right to belief of choice is secure under the said charters.

At issue here is, once the matter of god is open for discussion, does god actually exist?

 

[kabanga]

Sasa......

 

[Kiranga]

Sasa......

Hakuna sasa, sasa ni mazingaombwe ya ulimwengu wa daraja la kati kukuchezea shere usielewe ulimwengu kwa undani zaidi.

 

[dotnet]

First of all, most of these people who profess to believe in god do not really believe in god. They are either lazy or stupid. God is really unbelievable. Because he is self contradicting. Even if one wanted to really believe in him, and I am mostly writing about the Abrahamic god, one couldn't.

Take Christianity for example, and its bible. The new testament proclaims the message of love and forgiveness, while the old testament uphold exacting revenge thinly disguised as justice. When Jesus was cornered to declare his position on whether he came to dismantle the overly legal old testament, he contradicted his actions (working on the Sabbath) by saying that he came to complete the law, not dismantle it. Talking about talking in circles.

So the question of which takes priority in Christianity, redemption or the exacting of revenge, is left hanging.

To make matters worse, there is a line in the bible that says all scripture is inspired by god and good for use. So what happens when there is an obvious clash? If you really want to do what god wants, how do you go about that?




Why should it not concern me? Are they not human? Moreover, you disputed the juxtaposition of religion and primitivism. Whether it concerns me or not is immaterial, the question of primitivism lingers.



Look at your thought pattern. I equated religiosity with primitivism and you ask me why should the plight of Saudi women concern me. Who is losing diretion here? Is not caring for other human beings the teachings of your religion? Is that direction to you? Who is really losing direction here?

You are making me the godless who is caring about the plight of Saudi women look more compassionate than you the supposedly godly person who do not care about the plight of Saudi women.

The whole exchange begs the question, does morality need religiosity?





Your primitive and medieval thinking exposes that of you. In this age of information and the global village you are questioning me why do I care about the plight of Saudi women, how do you know that I don't have a Saudi fiancee?

With a mind like that, why should I expect you to be knowledgeable about anything?



Everybody can believe anything they want to. You can believe god exist, and he is your grandfather sitting in your ancestral village.

That doesn't make him god.

You totally missed the boat. The discussion here is not whether people believe in the existence of god or not. It is whethere god actually exists or not.



The question is not whether they believe or not. Believing is their human rights backed by international charters including The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

So their right to belief of choice is secure under the said charters.

At issue here is, once the matter of god is open for discussion, does god actually exist?

Saudi Fiancée? 😀😀😀😀

 

[Kiranga]

Saudi Fiancée? 

Is that the best you could come up with?

 

[Ngekewa]

Unawezaje kusema "Ameweka utaratibu......" kabla hata hujaweza kuthibitisha kwamba yupo?

Kama wewe Kiranga upo basi yeye yupo? Wewe humjui aliekuleta kwenye hili pande la ardhi, lakini mimi namjuwa, sasa kama wabisha sema taratibu ulizozitumia hata ukaja hapa tulipoletwa sisi na Mungu wetu.

 

[Ngekewa]

Naweza kuwa sijui square root ya mbili ni nini, lakini hilo halina maana kwamba ukiniambia ni nane nikubali tu.

For starters hata kama sijui square root ya mbili ni nini, najua kwamba square root ya mbili ni ndogo kuliko mbili.

Jaribu tena.

Sasa ndio umesema nini? Tunazungumza juu ya wewe Kiranga na aliyekuumba unaleta mambo ya square root.Mbona unababaisha wakati tulikubaliana kuwa mimi nikuthibitishie uwepo wa Mungu ili nawe upinge huo uthibitisho. Thibitisha kuwa sio kweli kuwa umeumbwa na Mungu.
Kama unataka kucheza mchezo wa kitoto basi tuendelee lakini kilichokuwepo kipo hata ukikana uwepo wake hakitaondoka.

 

[Kiranga]

Kama wewe Kiranga upo basi yeye yupo? Wewe humjui aliekuleta kwenye hili pande la ardhi, lakini mimi namjuwa, sasa kama wabisha sema taratibu ulizozitumia hata ukaja hapa tulipoletwa sisi na Mungu wetu.

Swali hapa ni kama mungu yupo au hayupo.

Hilo ndilo swali.

Swali si Kiranga amefikaje hapa alipo.

Kama unaona Kiranga kuwapo hapa alipo kuna uhusiano na kuwepo kwa mungu, naomba unielekeze uhusiano huo ukoje na unaweza kuuthibitisha vipi.

Hatua kwa hatua.Kwa umakini wa hali ya juu.

Tuanze na hatua ya kwanza, kwamba Kiranga yupo. Nipatie mtiririko, hatua moja mpaka nyingine, unaoonyesha ni mungu, na mungu tu, anayeweza kusababisha Kiranga kuwapo kama alivyo hii leo.

Nakusubiri.

 

[Kiranga]

Sasa ndio umesema nini? Tunazungumza juu ya wewe Kiranga na aliyekuumba unaleta mambo ya square root.Mbona unababaisha wakati tulikubaliana kuwa mimi nikuthibitishie uwepo wa Mungu ili nawe upinge huo uthibitisho. Thibitisha kuwa sio kweli kuwa umeumbwa na Mungu.
Kama unataka kucheza mchezo wa kitoto basi tuendelee lakini kilichokuwepo kipo hata ukikana uwepo wake hakitaondoka.

Of course huwezi kuelewa.

Na ndiyo sababu hatuelewani. Tunazungumza katika frequencies tofauti.

Nikitaja square root tu umeme wako unazima kama wa TANESCO iliyofisadiwa.

Ni hivi, hiyo habari nzima ya square root inakuonyesha kwamba mtu hahitaji kujua jibu sahihi ili kujua jibu fulani si sahihi.

Usifanye mimi kusema sijui nilipotoka (sijui chanzo cha maisha) kuwa ni mtaji wa kutaka kulazimisha kwamba maisha yameanzishwa na mungu.

Inabidi uonyeshe step by step ni vipi maisha hayawezi kutokea ila kwa kuanzishwa na mungu.

Na kabla ya hapo, inabidi kuthibitisha step by step kwamba mungu yupo.

Vinginevyo utakuwa unapiga porojo tu.

 

[Ngekewa]

Swali hapa ni kama mungu yupo au hayupo.

Hilo ndilo swali.

Swali si Kiranga amefikaje hapa alipo.

Kama unaona Kiranga kuwapo hapa alipo kuna uhusiano na kuwepo kwa mungu, naomba unielekeze uhusiano huo ukoje na unaweza kuuthibitisha vipi.

Hatua kwa hatua.Kwa umakini wa hali ya juu.

Tuanze na hatua ya kwanza, kwamba Kiranga yupo. Nipatie mtiririko, hatua moja mpaka nyingine, unaoonyesha ni mungu, na mungu tu, anayeweza kusababisha Kiranga kuwapo kama alivyo hii leo.

Nakusubiri.

Kwanza inabidi uelewe Kiranga si wa kwanza kufika hapa duniani.
Pili huyu Kiranga hapa duniani hana usaidizi wowote wa kuwepo hii dunia.
Huyu Kiranga hajiwezi chochote katika kubadilisha kile alichowekewa na aliyemleta.
Huyu Kiranga hana hata uwezo wa kuondosha vitu vinavyomkera kwa mfano kinyesi, harufu mbaya na jasho baya.

Hivi vyote vimepangwa na mwenye uwezo na baadae hakukaa kimya tu bali amejitokeza kwa namna aliyopenda kueleza kuwa haya yote aliyomfanyia Kiranga asiemtambua pamoja na sie tunaomtambua ni kazi yake na ni uwezo wake.
Baada ya kauli hiyo ya Mungu hatujapata mwengine aliyethibitika kudai kuwa Kiranga hakuja tu bali ameletwa.
Kinachoshangaza umekuwa ukirudiarudia kuuliza na kutaka hata pale unapopewa. Lingekuwa jambo la busara kwa wewe kuthibitisha kuwa huyo Mungu wetu aliekuja akajieleza kwetu sie kwani hicho anachodai kufanya , yaani kumuumba Kiranga, kumpatia ardhi na mambo ya faida yaliyomo, hakufanya yeye bali yamefanywa na mimi Kiranga. Ningekuelewa na pengine ningekuwa na shaka na uwepo wa Mungu.

 

[Ngekewa]

Of course huwezi kuelewa.

Na ndiyo sababu hatuelewani. Tunazungumza katika frequencies tofauti.

Nikitaja square root tu umeme wako unazima kama wa TANESCO iliyofisadiwa.

Ni hivi, hiyo habari nzima ya square root inakuonyesha kwamba mtu hahitaji kujua jibu sahihi ili kujua jibu fulani si sahihi.

Usifanye mimi kusema sijui nilipotoka (sijui chanzo cha maisha) kuwa ni mtaji wa kutaka kulazimisha kwamba maisha yameanzishwa na mungu.

Inabidi uonyeshe step by step ni vipi maisha hayawezi kutokea ila kwa kuanzishwa na mungu.

Na kabla ya hapo, inabidi kuthibitisha step by step kwamba mungu yupo.

Vinginevyo utakuwa unapiga porojo tu.

Porojo naona liko kwako. Hivyo uitaka kuelekezwa kitu hua na maana kuwa kitu unakijua?
Hujuwi na unataka uelekezwe na unapoelekezwa unalazimisha ujibiwe jawabu fulani.
Hivyo unataka kujuwa au unataka kuelekeza, kama wewe unajuwa huna maana ya kuuliza.

Kama ulikuwa unataka historia ya kuweko binaadamu nimekwambia kasome vitabu vitakatifu kwani nahisi kwa akili yako itakuwa kazi kubwa sana kukupa historia kwani current issue ni matatizo.

 

[Kiranga]

Porojo naona liko kwako. Hivyo uitaka kuelekezwa kitu hua na maana kuwa kitu unakijua?
Hujuwi na unataka uelekezwe na unapoelekezwa unalazimisha ujibiwe jawabu fulani.
Hivyo unataka kujuwa au unataka kuelekeza, kama wewe unajuwa huna maana ya kuuliza.

Kama ulikuwa unataka historia ya kuweko binaadamu nimekwambia kasome vitabu vitakatifu kwani nahisi kwa akili yako itakuwa kazi kubwa sana kukupa historia kwani current issue ni matatizo.

Hujathibitisha kwamba mungu yupo.

Nikikwambia uthibitishe unajibu uthibitisho ni mimi kuwapo.

Nikikuuliza mimi kuwapo kunathibitisha vipi kuwapo kwa mungu, unashindwa kujieleza.

 

[Donnie Charlie]

Hivi Biblia ilipozunguumzia uumbaji ni Mbingu na Dunia tuliyopo tu zilizoainishwa? Au ni pamoja na sayari nyingine?

 

[Ngekewa]

Hujathibitisha kwamba mungu yupo.

Nikikwambia uthibitishe unajibu uthibitisho ni mimi kuwapo.

Nikikuuliza mimi kuwapo kunathibitisha vipi kuwapo kwa mungu, unashindwa kujieleza.

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