God's time is a myth, The strategy of redundancy

[UHURU JR]

Negative Proofs: It is generally unreasonable to demand proof of a negative, particularly if there is no evidence to support the positive claim.

Chochote kinachodaiwa bila ushahidi kinaweza kutupiliwa mbali bila ushahidi.

Anything asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

You asserted God without evidence, We dismiss God without evidence.

The burden of proof in religion generally rests on the person making a positive assertion (theist claiming God exists), requiring them to provide evidence to support their claim.

It follows the principle onus probandi, where the party asserting a position must substantiate it, rather than the party denying it.

Umefahamu vizuri nilichouliza?

 

[min -me]

Nina uhakika sana na ninachokiamini na ndio maana sio shida kwangu hiyo hoja ya kwamba hakuna uthibitisho wa kuwepo Mungu, nimekuwa nikieleza kwamba watu hatuamini kwa kutumia uthibitisho. Naelewa suala la Mungu ni la kiimani na ndio msingi mkuu, kama Mungu angetaka uwepo wake utambulike na kila kiumbe bila kuacha shaka kwa namna yeyote basi angefanya

OK mahubiri mema

 

[Al-mukheef]

Sijui maana CHAT GPT wangu nilimtukana wakanipiga ban, na sasa Kila nikijaribu kutafuta msaada wa kutafsiriwa habari kutoka kiingereza kwenda Kiswahili nakwama.

Ngoja bani ya IA wangu iishe kwanza mkuu.

Ngoja nikaweke mada yote nione maana yake

 

[UHURU JR]

hayo mambo ya misamiati tu mkuu,

maana huwenda 2alikutana na maneno kama "usihoji sana we amini tu" , "usiweke logic kwenye imani" labda ndipo walipofika hitimisho kwamba hapa kuna mahali kuna shida, kama wanasema hizi ndo taarifa zake , na wao wameona zinamgogoro mkuu hiyo si automatic disqualification?

Kauli yenye hitimisho ya kwamba hakuna Mungu, haina sapoti hata ya sayansi na ndio maana nasema walitakiwa kusema tu kuwa hadi sasa hakuna uthibitisho wa kuwepo Mungu. Hauwezi kufanya kukosekana kwa uthibitisho wa kuwepo kitu kuwa ndio uthibitisho wa kutokuwepo hicho kitu.

 

[Infropreneur]

Vyote viliumbwa na Mungu na Mungu akaruhusu tujaribiwe mkuu hii point nimeirudia sana hakika umeilewa sema bado unataka tucheze kwenye hoja hiyo hiyo,

yani sote ni wa Mungu lakini Mungu katupa uhuru tuchague wenyewe wapi panatufaa ili watu wake watakamchagua watadhihirisha wanampenda,kuna andiko linasema yesu akawambia atakae nifuata mimi na ajikane ....umesikia hiyo kumbe kumfuata Mungu lazima ujikane uache mambo yako machafu yasiompendeza nk

Huyo Mungu wenu ana uwendawazimu.

Mungu ambaye alikuwa na uwezo wa kuumba Dunia isiyo na mabaya. Lakini Akashindwa kufanya hivyo. Badala yake akaruhusu Dunia yenye mabaya iwepo. Ni Mungu mwenye makusudi na ujinga.

Huyo Mungu kama alijua tangu mwanzo kwamba kuna mambo hayampendezi na alikuwa na uwezo wa kuyafuta kabisa yasiwepo, Angefanya hivyo.

Kama Mungu alijua kabisa toka mwanzo kuna mambo hayampendezi lakini akaamua kuyaacha tu mambo hayo yawepo, Haya ni MAKUSUDI ya wazi kabisa. Na uonevu dhidi ya watu wema.

Ni sawa na referee anayeona off-side kabisa lakini anakausha anasubiri goli lifungwe halafu ndio aanze kusuluhisha mzozo baina ya timu mbili.

 

[Infropreneur]

Kauli yenye hitimisho ya kwamba hakuna Mungu, haina sapoti hata ya sayansi na ndio maana nasema walitakiwa kusema tu kuwa hadi sasa hakuna uthibitisho wa kuwepo Mungu. Hauwezi kufanya kukosekana kwa uthibitisho wa kuwepo kitu kuwa ndio uthibitisho wa kutokuwepo hicho kitu.

Chochote kinachodaiwa bila ushahidi kinaweza kutupiliwa mbali bila ushahidi

Anything asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Jagina]

Hivi kama huwa wanasem ati Mungu wa Wakristo ni Mungu anayejua yajayo yaani FUTURE ama kama wakubwa wanavyosema ati kuwa yeye ni ALL KNOWING

Sasa ikawaje tena akashindwa kujua yakuwa Malaika wake Mkuu wa Sifa atakuja kumsaliti baadae?

Au ilikuwaje mpaka akakwenda bustani ya Eden kumtafuta Adam na Eva, ati kanakwamba alikuwa hajui kwamba wamekula tunda?

Alishindwaje kujua kuwa shetani atamtumia Nyoka kumpotosha Adam na Eva?

Naona mnazungumzia FREE WILL lakini mnajua maana ya hiyo dhana kweli?, mfano ni nani kati yenu ninyi wakristo/waislamu aliyechagua kuzaliwa/kuwa mtoto wa baba na mama yake?

Mkuu, kwanza usichanganye mafundisho ya Kikristo na Uislamu.
Katika Uislamu, Allah hashindwi kujua chochote.
Kujua jambo kabla halijatokea si sawa na kulilazimisha litokee.
Kuhusu Iblis — Qur’an inaeleza wazi kwamba Mungu alijua atachagua kiburi. Lakini Iblis ndiye aliyefanya uamuzi. Maarifa ya Mungu hayafuti hiari ya kiumbe.
Kisa cha Adam kuulizwa bustanini hakumaanishi Mungu hakujua. Ni kama mwalimu anayemuuliza mwanafunzi aliyekamatwa akidanganya — si kwamba hajui, bali anamfanya mwanafunzi akiri na awajibike.
Kuhusu free will — hakuna anayesema tunachagua kuzaliwa. Free will si kuchagua kila hali ya maisha, bali kuchagua matendo yako ndani ya hali uliyopewa. Hapo ndipo hukumu na uwajibikaji vina maana.
Kama Mungu asingejua yajayo, asingekuwa Mungu. Na kama angewalazimisha viumbe, basi asingekuwa Mwadilifu. Uislamu unasimama katikati: Mungu anajua, lakini binadamu anachagua — na kwa uchaguzi wake anawajibika.

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[secretarybird]

Ngoja nikaweke mada yote nione maana yake

Hebu fanya hivyo tuone.

 

[UHURU JR]

OK mahubiri mema

Unaona sasa? Nikikwepa hayo mahubiri ndio mnakuja kuniita agnostic.

 

[Al-mukheef]

Hebu fanya hivyo tuone.

Watu wameuziwa uongo unaosikika kama faraja lakini unafanya kazi kama gereza: "Wakati wa Mungu ndio bora." Ni wakati wa kuuliza swali lisilofurahisha: Kama muda ni kipimo cha kibinadamu, kwa nini tunasubiri saa ya mbinguni itatue matatizo yetu ya duniani?
1. Saa ya Mnyanyasaji
Historia inasimulia hadithi iliyo wazi. Himaya zilizofanya utumwa, wakoloni waliopora, na mashirika yanayonyonya leo hawakusubiri “wakati wa Mungu.” Walifanya kazi kwa Wakati wa Kibinadamu:
Walipanga mikakati.
Walipanga.
Walitekeleza.
Wakati wao walikuwa wanajenga meli na kuchora ramani za rasilimali, waliwafundisha waliodhulumiwa kufumba macho na kusubiri muujiza. Walitushawishi kwamba mateso yetu ni “msimu” tu na kwamba “Mungu anajua zaidi.” Hii haikuwa Theolojia, ilikuwa ni upotoshaji.
2. Uhalalishaji wa Kushindwa
“Wakati wa Mungu” ni kisingizio cha mwisho cha kushindwa kwa mifumo.
Hospitali zikikosa vifaa? “Wakati wa Mungu.”
Viongozi wakiwa mafisadi na vijana hawana ajira? “Wakati wa Mungu.”
Ukosefu wa usalama ukichukua maisha zaidi? “Wakati wa Mungu.”
Uhalisia hauitikii matamanio; huitikia nguvu na juhudi. Nchi zenye rushwa ndogo na usalama wa juu hazikupata “Mungu wa haraka” zaidi; zilijenga mifumo bora. Zilitambua kwamba maumbile yanatambua muda wa yule anayechukua hatua.
3. Mfumo wa Kidini wa “Kichwa Nimeshinda, Mkia Umepoteza”
Dini imejenga mfumo kamili wa uhalalishaji ambapo haiwezi kamwe kuwa na makosa:
Unaomba na hakuna kinachotokea? “Wakati wa Mungu ndio bora.” (Unabaki palepale).
Unaomba na baya linatokea? “Mungu anajua zaidi.” (Unabaki mnyonge).
Unafanya kazi kwa bidii, unasoma, unafaulu mtihani, na unafanikiwa? “Mungu ni mkubwa, hakuna asichoweza!” (Unatoa sifa kwa jasho lako mwenyewe).
4. Inatosha
“Muujiza” wa kweli hutokea sekunde ile ile mwanadamu anaposema “Inatosha.” Mabadiliko ya kweli hayatokei anga linapofunguka; hutokea watu wanaposimama. Hakuna “wakati wa Mungu” kwa ajili ya haki. Kuna tu wakati unapokoma kuombea maisha bora na kuanza kuyapanga.
Acha kusubiri “wakati wa Mungu” ambao haupo. Muda pekee unaojali ni ule ulio mikononi mwako.
Nimemaliza.

 

[Spinozist]

Mkuu, kwanza usichanganye mafundisho ya Kikristo na Uislamu.
Katika Uislamu, Allah hashindwi kujua chochote.
Kujua jambo kabla halijatokea si sawa na kulilazimisha litokee.
Kuhusu Iblis — Qur’an inaeleza wazi kwamba Mungu alijua atachagua kiburi. Lakini Iblis ndiye aliyefanya uamuzi. Maarifa ya Mungu hayafuti hiari ya kiumbe.
Kisa cha Adam kuulizwa bustanini hakumaanishi Mungu hakujua. Ni kama mwalimu anayemuuliza mwanafunzi aliyekamatwa akidanganya — si kwamba hajui, bali anamfanya mwanafunzi akiri na awajibike.
Kuhusu free will — hakuna anayesema tunachagua kuzaliwa. Free will si kuchagua kila hali ya maisha, bali kuchagua matendo yako ndani ya hali uliyopewa. Hapo ndipo hukumu na uwajibikaji vina maana.
Kama Mungu asingejua yajayo, asingekuwa Mungu. Na kama angewalazimisha viumbe, basi asingekuwa Mwadilifu. Uislamu unasimama katikati: Mungu anajua, lakini binadamu anachagua — na kwa uchaguzi wake anawajibika.

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Je, kabla Mungu wenu huyo aliyeruhusu mohamed aoe mtoto wa miaka 6, hajamuumba iblis je alijua yakuwa kwamba iblis atakuja kuchagua kiburi?

 

[Spinozist]

Free will does not mean freedom from biology. It means freedom in how you respond to your nature.
In Islam, humans are created with both physical drives and moral choice. Hunger and sexual climax are biological processes — they belong to the body. Free will operates in how you deal with them.
For example:
You feel hunger — but you choose what to eat, when to eat, whether to fast, whether to steal food or earn it honestly.
You feel sexual desire — but you choose whether to act within moral limits (like marriage in Islam) or outside them.
The automatic bodily functions (like ejaculation at climax) are not moral decisions. They are physiological laws built into creation. Free will exists in the decisions leading up to them.
Even in secular science, we distinguish between:
Reflexes (automatic processes)
Deliberate decisions (conscious choices)
No one says you lack free will because your heart beats automatically.
In Islamic thought, especially as discussed by scholars like Al-Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyyah, human beings have:
Instincts (fitrah and bodily drives)
Intellect (‘aql)
Moral responsibility (taklif)
Free will applies to moral responsibility, not to suspending natural laws.
If free will meant total control over biology, then needing oxygen would disprove free will. But clearly it doesn’t. Dependence is not the opposite of free will.
Free will means:
You cannot choose whether hunger exists.
You can choose how you respond to hunger.
That is where the test lies.

From the perspective of Robert Sapolsky, the concept of free will cannot be restricted to moral responsibility, because—strictly speaking—he argues that free will does not exist at all. If something does not exist in a fundamental sense, it cannot be applied only to one domain such as morality.

Sapolsky approaches the issue through biology and neuroscience, not theology or traditional moral philosophy. He argues that every human action is the product of prior causes: genes, prenatal conditions, childhood experiences, hormonal states, neural circuitry, and environmental triggers. Even milliseconds before a decision is made, measurable brain activity is already unfolding in ways the conscious mind does not initiate. In this framework, behavior is the endpoint of a long causal chain.

If this is correct, then the problem is not merely that free will fails in moral judgment; it fails everywhere. It fails in everyday choices, in personal success, in failure, in kindness, and in crime. Therefore, free will is not only about morality—it is about how all human behavior is produced. If biology determines action, then moral responsibility is just one of many social concepts built on a mistaken assumption of independent agency.

Under this view, moral systems that rely on “deserving blame” become unstable. A person who commits a crime did not create their genes, their brain structure, their impulse control capacity, or their past trauma. The same logic applies to achievements: success is also causally determined. Thus, from Sapolsky’s lens, free will cannot be confined to moral responsibility because the deeper claim is broader—human behavior itself is fully caused, making traditional notions of absolute moral responsibility philosophically unsustainable.

 

[Spinozist]

Kauli yenye hitimisho ya kwamba hakuna Mungu, haina sapoti hata ya sayansi na ndio maana nasema walitakiwa kusema tu kuwa hadi sasa hakuna uthibitisho wa kuwepo Mungu. Hauwezi kufanya kukosekana kwa uthibitisho wa kuwepo kitu kuwa ndio uthibitisho wa kutokuwepo hicho kitu.

Je, una amini kwamba Mungu anayeitwa Zeus yupo?

 

[Infropreneur]

Watu wameuziwa uongo unaosikika kama faraja lakini unafanya kazi kama gereza: "Wakati wa Mungu ndio bora." Ni wakati wa kuuliza swali lisilofurahisha: Kama muda ni kipimo cha kibinadamu, kwa nini tunasubiri saa ya mbinguni itatue matatizo yetu ya duniani?
1. Saa ya Mnyanyasaji
Historia inasimulia hadithi iliyo wazi. Himaya zilizofanya utumwa, wakoloni waliopora, na mashirika yanayonyonya leo hawakusubiri “wakati wa Mungu.” Walifanya kazi kwa Wakati wa Kibinadamu:
Walipanga mikakati.
Walipanga.
Walitekeleza.
Wakati wao walikuwa wanajenga meli na kuchora ramani za rasilimali, waliwafundisha waliodhulumiwa kufumba macho na kusubiri muujiza. Walitushawishi kwamba mateso yetu ni “msimu” tu na kwamba “Mungu anajua zaidi.” Hii haikuwa Theolojia, ilikuwa ni upotoshaji.
2. Uhalalishaji wa Kushindwa
“Wakati wa Mungu” ni kisingizio cha mwisho cha kushindwa kwa mifumo.
Hospitali zikikosa vifaa? “Wakati wa Mungu.”
Viongozi wakiwa mafisadi na vijana hawana ajira? “Wakati wa Mungu.”
Ukosefu wa usalama ukichukua maisha zaidi? “Wakati wa Mungu.”
Uhalisia hauitikii matamanio; huitikia nguvu na juhudi. Nchi zenye rushwa ndogo na usalama wa juu hazikupata “Mungu wa haraka” zaidi; zilijenga mifumo bora. Zilitambua kwamba maumbile yanatambua muda wa yule anayechukua hatua.
3. Mfumo wa Kidini wa “Kichwa Nimeshinda, Mkia Umepoteza”
Dini imejenga mfumo kamili wa uhalalishaji ambapo haiwezi kamwe kuwa na makosa:
Unaomba na hakuna kinachotokea? “Wakati wa Mungu ndio bora.” (Unabaki palepale).
Unaomba na baya linatokea? “Mungu anajua zaidi.” (Unabaki mnyonge).
Unafanya kazi kwa bidii, unasoma, unafaulu mtihani, na unafanikiwa? “Mungu ni mkubwa, hakuna asichoweza!” (Unatoa sifa kwa jasho lako mwenyewe).
4. Inatosha
“Muujiza” wa kweli hutokea sekunde ile ile mwanadamu anaposema “Inatosha.” Mabadiliko ya kweli hayatokei anga linapofunguka; hutokea watu wanaposimama. Hakuna “wakati wa Mungu” kwa ajili ya haki. Kuna tu wakati unapokoma kuombea maisha bora na kuanza kuyapanga.
Acha kusubiri “wakati wa Mungu” ambao haupo. Muda pekee unaojali ni ule ulio mikononi mwako.
Nimemaliza.

AI inafanya direct translation. Bila kuangalia mazingira ya maneno yalivyotumika kumaanisha kitu fulani.

Ndio maana inaharibu kiini na mada nzima.

 

[secretarybird]

Watu wameuziwa uongo unaosikika kama faraja lakini unafanya kazi kama gereza: "Wakati wa Mungu ndio bora." Ni wakati wa kuuliza swali lisilofurahisha: Kama muda ni kipimo cha kibinadamu, kwa nini tunasubiri saa ya mbinguni itatue matatizo yetu ya duniani?
1. Saa ya Mnyanyasaji
Historia inasimulia hadithi iliyo wazi. Himaya zilizofanya utumwa, wakoloni waliopora, na mashirika yanayonyonya leo hawakusubiri “wakati wa Mungu.” Walifanya kazi kwa Wakati wa Kibinadamu:
Walipanga mikakati.
Walipanga.
Walitekeleza.
Wakati wao walikuwa wanajenga meli na kuchora ramani za rasilimali, waliwafundisha waliodhulumiwa kufumba macho na kusubiri muujiza. Walitushawishi kwamba mateso yetu ni “msimu” tu na kwamba “Mungu anajua zaidi.” Hii haikuwa Theolojia, ilikuwa ni upotoshaji.
2. Uhalalishaji wa Kushindwa
“Wakati wa Mungu” ni kisingizio cha mwisho cha kushindwa kwa mifumo.
Hospitali zikikosa vifaa? “Wakati wa Mungu.”
Viongozi wakiwa mafisadi na vijana hawana ajira? “Wakati wa Mungu.”
Ukosefu wa usalama ukichukua maisha zaidi? “Wakati wa Mungu.”
Uhalisia hauitikii matamanio; huitikia nguvu na juhudi. Nchi zenye rushwa ndogo na usalama wa juu hazikupata “Mungu wa haraka” zaidi; zilijenga mifumo bora. Zilitambua kwamba maumbile yanatambua muda wa yule anayechukua hatua.
3. Mfumo wa Kidini wa “Kichwa Nimeshinda, Mkia Umepoteza”
Dini imejenga mfumo kamili wa uhalalishaji ambapo haiwezi kamwe kuwa na makosa:
Unaomba na hakuna kinachotokea? “Wakati wa Mungu ndio bora.” (Unabaki palepale).
Unaomba na baya linatokea? “Mungu anajua zaidi.” (Unabaki mnyonge).
Unafanya kazi kwa bidii, unasoma, unafaulu mtihani, na unafanikiwa? “Mungu ni mkubwa, hakuna asichoweza!” (Unatoa sifa kwa jasho lako mwenyewe).
4. Inatosha
“Muujiza” wa kweli hutokea sekunde ile ile mwanadamu anaposema “Inatosha.” Mabadiliko ya kweli hayatokei anga linapofunguka; hutokea watu wanaposimama. Hakuna “wakati wa Mungu” kwa ajili ya haki. Kuna tu wakati unapokoma kuombea maisha bora na kuanza kuyapanga.
Acha kusubiri “wakati wa Mungu” ambao haupo. Muda pekee unaojali ni ule ulio mikononi mwako.
Nimemaliza.

Sasa nimeelewa mkuu. Thanks.

 

[Al-mukheef]

AI inafanya direct translation. Bila kuangalia mazingira ya maneno yalivyotumika kumaanisha kitu fulani.

Ndio maana inaharibu kiini na mada nzima.

Kwa hiyo hapo tafsiri yake ni tofauti na wewe ulivyokusudia?

 

[Al-mukheef]

Sasa nimeelewa mkuu. Thanks.

Ila mwenye mada anasema tofauti

 

[secretarybird]

Ila mwenye mada anasema tofauti

Anasemaje kwani.

 

[Al-mukheef]

Anasemaje kwani.

Anasema AI inaharibu kiini na mada nzima

 

[secretarybird]

Anasema AI inaharibu kiini na mada nzima

Sasa itabidi Rasi Simba atufundishwe kiingereza kwa sababu AI mwenyewe ni mpuuzi.