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Fraud: Dar University to cancel degrees

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Students in a library at the University of Dar es Salaam. Photo/University of Dar es Salaam

By JOSEPH MWAMUNYANGE
THE EAST AFRICAN

Posted Saturday, November 22 2008 at 08:49

Dar es Salaam University may be forced to withdraw degree certificates conferred on some of its graduates over forged documents they submitted prior to joining the university.

This follows the investigation of more than 20 people by university authorities after it was discovered that they used forged secondary education certificates to gain admission to degree courses.

The discovery is expected to lead to the beginning of a series of arrests of people who are said to possess forged credentials that they have used to obtain important positions in both the private sector and government. It could also trigger a crackdown on the “degree mills” currently proliferating in the country.

Already, in one case, an employee at the University of Dar es Salaam last week had a degree conferred on him by the same institution in 1987 withdrawn after it was discovered that he had forged his way onto the campus.

Forgeries have become part of everyday life in Tanzania, including in the recent cases involving money siphoned out of the Bank of Tanzania’s External Payment Arrears (EPA) account using forged documents.

Concern has been rising that with many people in its labour force possessing forged credentials, Tanzania will be at a disadvantage in the East African Community’s Common Market when free movement of labour in the region becomes a reality.

Prof Makenya Maboko, Deputy Vice Chancellor (Academic, Research and Consultancy), told The EastAfrican that there were more staff at the university who had been discovered to have gained entry unlawfully by using forged documents.

Prof Maboko said more than 20 people are under investigation, and once the procedure is complete, the public will be informed. However, he did not mention names.

“After undertaking a verification exercise on documents tendered by newly recruited staff, we discovered that quite a number of these people had applied knowing full well that some of the documents in their possession were not genuine,” he said.

Earlier, in a notice to the public from the Office of the Deputy Vice Chancellor (Academic), it was stated: “Effective from October 28, 2008, the University of Dar es Salaam has withdrawn a Bachelor of Arts (Education) degree award wrongfully conferred on one Charles I. Ng’imba at the University of Dar es Salaam congregation held on August 29, 1987.”

The notice further stated: “This measure was taken after Mr Ng’imba was found guilty of using forged certificates to unlawfully gain admission to the university.”

Consequently, Mr Ng’mba has been ordered to return to the University of Dar es Salaam the degree certificate that he was wrongfully awarded.


A legislator from the ruling Chama cha Mapinduzi (CCM), Dr Harrison Mwakyembe, who also chaired the famous Richmond Committee, told The EastAfrican that while the country was preparing to enter into an expanded labour market, “continuing with the forgeries will render our labour force uncompetitive in the expanded market because employers will only go for the best and nothing less.”

Dr Mwakyembe said that, together with Prof Peter Msola, Minister for Communications, Science and Technology, who sounded the alarm on fake degrees and other forgeries, he had made “a lot of noise in parliament,” but no concerted action has to date been taken to stem the rampant malpractices.

According to Dr Mwakyembe, the problem was more profound than people were led to believe: “It cuts across the board, from the bottom to senior government officials, managers, politicians and others in high office. So it is proper for the University of Dar es Salaam to withdraw the degree. This will serve as a lesson to others.”

However, Dr Mwakyembe said more effort needs to be made by the government to arrest the situation as the problem is compounded by the fact that parents are now ready to “buy” examinations for their children just to make sure they progress in life.

“Leakage of examinations is the order of the day — this adds to the erosion of academic credentials. It will take a long time to reverse if it is left to go on unabated,” said Dr Mwakyembe, adding: “We must take the bull by the horns; it’s now or never.”

Dr Clinton Galabawa from the University of Dar es Salaam said: “Most probably there was a system failure somewhere, so we need to address the issue as a nation. It is also a question of individual values, which in most cases have declined.”

The academician said tougher measures need to be taken immediately such things happen, “or people will start thinking that if so-and-so did it and got away with it, then I too can do it.”

Dr Galabawa said, “We as a country must deal with this problem by taking stringent measures because there are many such people in society who have gotten away with these forgeries, including people in government, civil society and private enterprise.”

However, Dr Charles Kimei, managing director of CRDB Bank Ltd, criticised the university, saying that it was upon it to vet the candidate before he joined instead of “withdrawing a degree studied for by Mr Ng’imba because he forged a certificate to enter the university; if he managed to cope with his studies, then this person is very bright as otherwise he would have been discontinued.”

Dr Kimei further said that even though he was not in support of forgery, the case in point was unique due to the fact that the person from whom the university had withdrawn the degree “didn’t steal the degree but studied for it with people who may also have joined the university by stealing examinations.”

Early this month, the Higher Education Students Loan Board in collaboration with the Dar es Salaam police arrested Joseph Mbago, a Form VI graduate from Malangali Secondary School, Iringa region, for forgery of certificates.

He forged an advanced certificate of secondary education, obtained a loan from the board and successfully proceeded to join the University of Dodoma to undertake a Bachelor of Arts in International Relations in the current academic year. The forgery was discovered after the board cross-checked with the National Examination Council of Tanzania.


The board is still working on 13 similar cases before taking legal action against those involved.

Six employees at the Bank of Tanzania were last month arraigned for having used forged certificates to obtain employed at the country’s top bank. Their cases are still pending in the courts of law.

The Police College in Moshi has not been spared the forgeries nightmare. It recently discovered that some of the potential recruits had forged certificates and on questioning vanished, never to return to the college.

There is a strong belief among academics and politicians that some of the “doctor” titles affixed to high-profile names were obtained from degree mills, spread throughout the world, which were now making a killing from selling fake degrees.
 
hapa shughuli kubwa. Mzumbe yote itagagaduliwa...! Kuna vyeti kibao mitaani vya namna hii. Wako lundo kwa kweli. Sijui itakuwaje lakini ndiyo hali halisi!
 
Fraud: Dar University to cancel degrees

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Students in a library at the University of Dar es Salaam. Photo/University of Dar es Salaam

By JOSEPH MWAMUNYANGE
THE EAST AFRICAN

Posted Saturday, November 22 2008 at 08:49

Dar es Salaam University may be forced to withdraw degree certificates conferred on some of its graduates over forged documents they submitted prior to joining the university.

This follows the investigation of more than 20 people by university authorities after it was discovered that they used forged secondary education certificates to gain admission to degree courses.

The discovery is expected to lead to the beginning of a series of arrests of people who are said to possess forged credentials that they have used to obtain important positions in both the private sector and government. It could also trigger a crackdown on the "degree mills" currently proliferating in the country.

Already, in one case, an employee at the University of Dar es Salaam last week had a degree conferred on him by the same institution in 1987 withdrawn after it was discovered that he had forged his way onto the campus.

Forgeries have become part of everyday life in Tanzania, including in the recent cases involving money siphoned out of the Bank of Tanzania's External Payment Arrears (EPA) account using forged documents.

Concern has been rising that with many people in its labour force possessing forged credentials, Tanzania will be at a disadvantage in the East African Community's Common Market when free movement of labour in the region becomes a reality.

Prof Makenya Maboko, Deputy Vice Chancellor (Academic, Research and Consultancy), told The EastAfrican that there were more staff at the university who had been discovered to have gained entry unlawfully by using forged documents.

Prof Maboko said more than 20 people are under investigation, and once the procedure is complete, the public will be informed. However, he did not mention names.

"After undertaking a verification exercise on documents tendered by newly recruited staff, we discovered that quite a number of these people had applied knowing full well that some of the documents in their possession were not genuine," he said.

Earlier, in a notice to the public from the Office of the Deputy Vice Chancellor (Academic), it was stated: "Effective from October 28, 2008, the University of Dar es Salaam has withdrawn a Bachelor of Arts (Education) degree award wrongfully conferred on one Charles I. Ng'imba at the University of Dar es Salaam congregation held on August 29, 1987."

The notice further stated: "This measure was taken after Mr Ng'imba was found guilty of using forged certificates to unlawfully gain admission to the university."

Consequently, Mr Ng'mba has been ordered to return to the University of Dar es Salaam the degree certificate that he was wrongfully awarded.


A legislator from the ruling Chama cha Mapinduzi (CCM), Dr Harrison Mwakyembe, who also chaired the famous Richmond Committee, told The EastAfrican that while the country was preparing to enter into an expanded labour market, "continuing with the forgeries will render our labour force uncompetitive in the expanded market because employers will only go for the best and nothing less."

Dr Mwakyembe said that, together with Prof Peter Msola, Minister for Communications, Science and Technology, who sounded the alarm on fake degrees and other forgeries, he had made "a lot of noise in parliament," but no concerted action has to date been taken to stem the rampant malpractices.

According to Dr Mwakyembe, the problem was more profound than people were led to believe: "It cuts across the board, from the bottom to senior government officials, managers, politicians and others in high office. So it is proper for the University of Dar es Salaam to withdraw the degree. This will serve as a lesson to others."

However, Dr Mwakyembe said more effort needs to be made by the government to arrest the situation as the problem is compounded by the fact that parents are now ready to "buy" examinations for their children just to make sure they progress in life.

"Leakage of examinations is the order of the day - this adds to the erosion of academic credentials. It will take a long time to reverse if it is left to go on unabated," said Dr Mwakyembe, adding: "We must take the bull by the horns; it's now or never."

Dr Clinton Galabawa from the University of Dar es Salaam said: "Most probably there was a system failure somewhere, so we need to address the issue as a nation. It is also a question of individual values, which in most cases have declined."

The academician said tougher measures need to be taken immediately such things happen, "or people will start thinking that if so-and-so did it and got away with it, then I too can do it."

Dr Galabawa said, "We as a country must deal with this problem by taking stringent measures because there are many such people in society who have gotten away with these forgeries, including people in government, civil society and private enterprise."

However, Dr Charles Kimei, managing director of CRDB Bank Ltd, criticised the university, saying that it was upon it to vet the candidate before he joined instead of "withdrawing a degree studied for by Mr Ng'imba because he forged a certificate to enter the university; if he managed to cope with his studies, then this person is very bright as otherwise he would have been discontinued.

Dr Kimei further said that even though he was not in support of forgery, the case in point was unique due to the fact that the person from whom the university had withdrawn the degree "didn't steal the degree but studied for it with people who may also have joined the university by stealing examinations."

Early this month, the Higher Education Students Loan Board in collaboration with the Dar es Salaam police arrested Joseph Mbago, a Form VI graduate from Malangali Secondary School, Iringa region, for forgery of certificates.

He forged an advanced certificate of secondary education, obtained a loan from the board and successfully proceeded to join the University of Dodoma to undertake a Bachelor of Arts in International Relations in the current academic year. The forgery was discovered after the board cross-checked with the National Examination Council of Tanzania.


The board is still working on 13 similar cases before taking legal action against those involved.

Six employees at the Bank of Tanzania were last month arraigned for having used forged certificates to obtain employed at the country's top bank. Their cases are still pending in the courts of law.

The Police College in Moshi has not been spared the forgeries nightmare. It recently discovered that some of the potential recruits had forged certificates and on questioning vanished, never to return to the college.

There is a strong belief among academics and politicians that some of the "doctor" titles affixed to high-profile names were obtained from degree mills, spread throughout the world, which were now making a killing from selling fake degrees.




Dr. Kimei, kama ni wewe umeyasema hayo maneno hapo juu basi naona "umeteleza" inabidi uifute hiyo kauli manake "evil can not be cured by evil". At first place, huyo jamaa ametenda kosa la jinai hata kama ni miaka kibao imepita na akaweza kufanikiwa kuruka viunzi na kugraduate(statute of limitation haizuii yeye kushtakiwa).

MH. kuwa mpole sheria ichukue mkondo wake. Hapa ni sawa na kusema wezi wa EPA awakukamatwa enzi hizo. Sasa kupitia pesa walizopora wamefanikiwa kujitengenezea imaya kubwa na kuzalisha utajili basi tuwaache wadunde mtaani kwani tunawaonea.

Kazi kweli kweli unaghushi kisha wanakutetea kweli tutafika?
 
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Duuhh........Kimei..........no.........wizi ni wizi hao watu wanyang'anywe tu hizo degree zao
 
Je wembe huu unaweza kufyeka vigogo wetu au utaishia kuwakwangua akina Ng`imba na tudagaa twingine?
 
Fraud: Dar University to cancel degrees

Dr Clinton Galabawa from the University of Dar es Salaam said: "Most probably there was a system failure somewhere, so we need to address the issue as a nation. It is also a question of individual values, which in most cases have declined."

To me this is the key issue. System failure are not always easily repaired. You just have to overhaul it!!


However, Dr Charles Kimei, managing director of CRDB Bank Ltd, criticised the university, saying that it was upon it to vet the candidate before he joined instead of "withdrawing a degree studied for by Mr Ng'imba because he forged a certificate to enter the university; if he managed to cope with his studies, then this person is very bright as otherwise he would have been discontinued."

Dr Kimei further said that even though he was not in support of forgery, the case in point was unique due to the fact that the person from whom the university had withdrawn the degree "didn't steal the degree but studied for it with people who may also have joined the university by stealing examinations."


I beg to differ with you sir. Unless there is something you want to cover up! Who knows may be you got lots of them in CRDB or some are your close relatives!!




The problem is very big and no one can imagine how difficult it is to tackle it. Probably impossible!

Prof Msolla tested the water and may be realized that it is too deep an ocean to swim in! Why that, because this is a "MTEGO WA PANYA, UNANASA WALIOMO NA WASIOKUWEMO"! If you didn't forge, then you helped someone to forge and thus you are guilty. I know many people in this category. So who will investigate this scam?? May be we need to hire Scotland Yard. Otherwise I don't trust that any TZ system, within this government can do it! I stand to be corrected though.
 
Fraud: Dar University to cancel degrees

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Students in a library at the University of Dar es Salaam. Photo/University of Dar es Salaam

According to Dr Mwakyembe, the problem was more profound than people were led to believe: “It cuts across the board, from the bottom to senior government officials, managers, politicians and others in high office. So it is proper for the University of Dar es Salaam to withdraw the degree. This will serve as a lesson to others.”

However, Dr Mwakyembe said more effort needs to be made by the government to arrest the situation as the problem is compounded by the fact that parents are now ready to “buy” examinations for their children just to make sure they progress in life.


Nakumbuka kuna Mbunge aligundulika kuwa alighushi vyeti na kudanganya wapiga kura wake kuwa alisoma Uganda. Hivi huyu Mbunge alichukuliwa hatua za kisheria kweli. Kama hakuchukuliwa hatua, Bunge lenyewe, Chama chake pamoja na Wananchi kwa ujumla wanalichukuliaje hili? Hatuoni kuwa tunalea uoza ndani ya jamii yetu! Nafikiri huyo Mbunge alitakiwa kuvuliwa wadhifa wa kuwa Mbunge na hatua kali za kisheria zichukuliwe dhidi yake.
 
Fraud: Dar University to cancel degrees

home+sub+1+pix.jpg

Students in a library at the University of Dar es Salaam. Photo/University of Dar es Salaam

By JOSEPH MWAMUNYANGE
THE EAST AFRICAN

Posted Saturday, November 22 2008 at 08:49

Dar es Salaam University may be forced to withdraw degree certificates conferred on some of its graduates over forged documents they submitted prior to joining the university.

This follows the investigation of more than 20 people by university authorities after it was discovered that they used forged secondary education certificates to gain admission to degree courses.

The discovery is expected to lead to the beginning of a series of arrests of people who are said to possess forged credentials that they have used to obtain important positions in both the private sector and government. It could also trigger a crackdown on the “degree mills” currently proliferating in the country.

Already, in one case, an employee at the University of Dar es Salaam last week had a degree conferred on him by the same institution in 1987 withdrawn after it was discovered that he had forged his way onto the campus.

Forgeries have become part of everyday life in Tanzania, including in the recent cases involving money siphoned out of the Bank of Tanzania’s External Payment Arrears (EPA) account using forged documents.

Concern has been rising that with many people in its labour force possessing forged credentials, Tanzania will be at a disadvantage in the East African Community’s Common Market when free movement of labour in the region becomes a reality.

Prof Makenya Maboko, Deputy Vice Chancellor (Academic, Research and Consultancy), told The EastAfrican that there were more staff at the university who had been discovered to have gained entry unlawfully by using forged documents.

Prof Maboko said more than 20 people are under investigation, and once the procedure is complete, the public will be informed. However, he did not mention names.

“After undertaking a verification exercise on documents tendered by newly recruited staff, we discovered that quite a number of these people had applied knowing full well that some of the documents in their possession were not genuine,” he said.

Earlier, in a notice to the public from the Office of the Deputy Vice Chancellor (Academic), it was stated: “Effective from October 28, 2008, the University of Dar es Salaam has withdrawn a Bachelor of Arts (Education) degree award wrongfully conferred on one Charles I. Ng’imba at the University of Dar es Salaam congregation held on August 29, 1987.”

The notice further stated: “This measure was taken after Mr Ng’imba was found guilty of using forged certificates to unlawfully gain admission to the university.”

Consequently, Mr Ng’mba has been ordered to return to the University of Dar es Salaam the degree certificate that he was wrongfully awarded.


A legislator from the ruling Chama cha Mapinduzi (CCM), Dr Harrison Mwakyembe, who also chaired the famous Richmond Committee, told The EastAfrican that while the country was preparing to enter into an expanded labour market, “continuing with the forgeries will render our labour force uncompetitive in the expanded market because employers will only go for the best and nothing less.”

Dr Mwakyembe said that, together with Prof Peter Msola, Minister for Communications, Science and Technology, who sounded the alarm on fake degrees and other forgeries, he had made “a lot of noise in parliament,” but no concerted action has to date been taken to stem the rampant malpractices.

According to Dr Mwakyembe, the problem was more profound than people were led to believe: “It cuts across the board, from the bottom to senior government officials, managers, politicians and others in high office. So it is proper for the University of Dar es Salaam to withdraw the degree. This will serve as a lesson to others.”

However, Dr Mwakyembe said more effort needs to be made by the government to arrest the situation as the problem is compounded by the fact that parents are now ready to “buy” examinations for their children just to make sure they progress in life.

“Leakage of examinations is the order of the day — this adds to the erosion of academic credentials. It will take a long time to reverse if it is left to go on unabated,” said Dr Mwakyembe, adding: “We must take the bull by the horns; it’s now or never.”

Dr Clinton Galabawa from the University of Dar es Salaam said: “Most probably there was a system failure somewhere, so we need to address the issue as a nation. It is also a question of individual values, which in most cases have declined.”The academician said tougher measures need to be taken immediately such things happen, “or people will start thinking that if so-and-so did it and got away with it, then I too can do it.”

Dr Galabawa said, “We as a country must deal with this problem by taking stringent measures because there are many such people in society who have gotten away with these forgeries, including people in government, civil society and private enterprise.”

However, Dr Charles Kimei, managing director of CRDB Bank Ltd, criticised the university, saying that it was upon it to vet the candidate before he joined instead of “withdrawing a degree studied for by Mr Ng’imba because he forged a certificate to enter the university; if he managed to cope with his studies, then this person is very bright as otherwise he would have been discontinued.”

Dr Kimei further said that even though he was not in support of forgery, the case in point was unique due to the fact that the person from whom the university had withdrawn the degree “didn’t steal the degree but studied for it with people who may also have joined the university by stealing examinations.”

Early this month, the Higher Education Students Loan Board in collaboration with the Dar es Salaam police arrested Joseph Mbago, a Form VI graduate from Malangali Secondary School, Iringa region, for forgery of certificates.

He forged an advanced certificate of secondary education, obtained a loan from the board and successfully proceeded to join the University of Dodoma to undertake a Bachelor of Arts in International Relations in the current academic year. The forgery was discovered after the board cross-checked with the National Examination Council of Tanzania.


The board is still working on 13 similar cases before taking legal action against those involved.

Six employees at the Bank of Tanzania were last month arraigned for having used forged certificates to obtain employed at the country’s top bank. Their cases are still pending in the courts of law.

The Police College in Moshi has not been spared the forgeries nightmare. It recently discovered that some of the potential recruits had forged certificates and on questioning vanished, never to return to the college.

There is a strong belief among academics and politicians that some of the “doctor” titles affixed to high-profile names were obtained from degree mills, spread throughout the world, which were now making a killing from selling fake degrees.

Inabidi tujiulize ni kwanini baadhi ya watanzania wameangukia katika huu mchezo mchafu wa kufoji vyeti.....
1. Je ni kutafuta njia ya mkato ili kutimiza ndoto zao?
2. Je mmomonyoko wa individial values una mchango gani katika hili?
 
Kuna mchezo mwingine mchafu ulikua unatendeka zamani but siku hizi umepungua;
its about kutumia jina la mtu mwingine kuingia shule za serikali za government.
Enzi hizo kuna watu walikua wanachaguliwa kuingia shule za serikali lakini walikua hawaendi badala yake walikua wanaenda shule za binafsi. Sasa kuna watu 'wengine' wakawa wanatumia majina ya wale wenzao walioenda shule za binafsi kupata udahili katika hizo shule za serikali. Ndo maana leo hii unakuta mtu anaitwa Samuel lakini vyeti vyake vinamtambulisha yeye kama "John". WIZI MTUPU
 
Kuna mchezo mwingine mchafu ulikua unatendeka zamani but siku hizi umepungua;
its about kutumia jina la mtu mwingine kuingia shule za serikali za government.
Enzi hizo kuna watu walikua wanachaguliwa kuingia shule za serikali lakini walikua hawaendi badala yake walikua wanaenda shule za binafsi. Sasa kuna watu 'wengine' wakawa wanatumia majina ya wale wenzao walioenda shule za binafsi kupata udahili katika hizo shule za serikali. Ndo maana leo hii unakuta mtu anaitwa Samuel lakini vyeti vyake vinamtambulisha yeye kama "John". WIZI MTUPU
 
Inabidi tujiulize ni kwanini baadhi ya watanzania wameangukia katika huu mchezo mchafu wa kufoji vyeti.....
1. Je ni kutafuta njia ya mkato ili kutimiza ndoto zao?
2. Je mmomonyoko wa individial values una mchango gani katika hili?

Very simple reason,

Bongo Darisalam! Cheap, easy, shortcut, everything possible in Dar; then watu wote wanakuabudu wewe. Kila bendi na bongo flava guys wanakurusha wewe au vipi? Wewe hupendi?
 
Nakumbuka kuna Mbunge aligundulika kuwa alighushi vyeti na kudanganya wapiga kura wake kuwa alisoma Uganda. Hivi huyu Mbunge alichukuliwa hatua za kisheria kweli. Kama hakuchukuliwa hatua, Bunge lenyewe, Chama chake pamoja na Wananchi kwa ujumla wanalichukuliaje hili? Hatuoni kuwa tunalea uoza ndani ya jamii yetu! Nafikiri huyo Mbunge alitakiwa kuvuliwa wadhifa wa kuwa Mbunge na hatua kali za kisheria zichukuliwe dhidi yake.

Taffu
Hakuchukuliwa hatua yoyote kwani ni wao wao CCM na serikali yao walimfojia akafanye kazi ya uchokonozi Uganda aka usalama wa taifa. Si unajua hii kazi haina CV wala vyeti? Utashangaa rais analindwa na darasa la saba...kidato cha nne division zero..tutapata faida yake soon!
Huko bungeni kuna feki za maafa...niliwahi kuomba kuona thesis ya PhD ya mkuu mmoja sikupata, nilipoiona sehemu niligwaya haya term paper ya first year ina afadhali...
 
Once Dr Azaveli Fezalwaitama of UDSM said,' Kama raisi anakubali watu wafoji( alikuwa anahusisha na EPA) sishangai kwanini watu wanafoji vyeti'
 
Mimi nakubaliana na Dr Kimei.
Huyu Bwana walitakiwa kucheki vyeti vyake kabla hajajiunga na chuo na kama waliacha asome mpaka amalize tena mwaka 87, basi na wamuache kabisa ili mradi alifanya vizuri chuoni. Huyu ni mtu bright saaaaaana. Ni kama vile ambavyo kuna watu hurushwa madarasa na bado wakasoma na kuwa ma profesa vyuoni.
Leo hii kama watu wakiamua kuangalia kama kila mtu alisoma kihalali, wengi sana tena walio viongozi na wengine ni maprofesa, wataingia kwenye hatia maana wengi walishindwa darasa la saba na wakarudia kwa majina ya watu wengine na bado hawakua halali ili mradi walifanya vizuri bado wanapeta.
Leo hii kuna watu wengi wanasoma O level kwa miaka miwili tu na A level kwa mwaka mmoja tofauti na sheria inavyotaka na bado wanapeta.
Sasa huyu Bwana kama alisoma kwa bidii na kufanikiwa hana tofauti na hao wengine waliovunja sheria. Ali forge vyeti akaendelea na kusoma tena kwa mafanikio maana ndio ilikuwa kiu yake kusoma. Hakuna aliyegundua na akafanikiwa. Wale walioforge na kurudia darasa la saba, wao kwa kuwa hawajajulikana hapa tunadhani wao ni halali? tukiwatangaza hapa nao warudishe doctorate zao?
 
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